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2012-10-25 08:03:38 PM  
There are three regions that MLB markets to, essentially: NY, Boston, L.A.

Anything else is a distraction, and that mindset tends to filter down to the fanbase.
 
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2012-10-25 08:35:13 PM  
there was a baseball game on last night?

/was busy with nfl pick 'em and fantasy football
 
2012-10-25 08:35:34 PM  
The people in Detroit would've watched, if they had electricity
 
2012-10-25 08:36:21 PM  
This is why the Yankees should make it every year.
 
2012-10-25 08:38:08 PM  
Baseball is a dying sport. I bet if you broke those numbers down by age, the decline would be even more steep in the crucial 18-49 year old demographic.
 
2012-10-25 08:44:01 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: Baseball is a dying sport.

 
2012-10-25 08:50:03 PM  
As a White Sox fan I really don't want to watch Detroit win it all.
 
2012-10-25 08:51:02 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: I bet if you broke those numbers down by age, the decline would be even more steep in the crucial 18-49 year old demographic.


I would guess you'd be right about that. I do have to wonder, though, how different those numbers would look if there was any simple way to count all the people watching on streams, since I'd guess that age bracket would be pretty disproportionately represented among them.
 
2012-10-25 09:04:20 PM  
I was at a concert. Sorry baseball.
 
2012-10-25 09:04:25 PM  
lol baseball
 
2012-10-25 09:04:38 PM  
I wouldn't exactly say I missed it, subby. No A's, no interest.

i21.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-25 09:07:54 PM  
Well, its SF and Detroit. SF has plenty of other things going on, and Detroit cant afford a television.
 
2012-10-25 09:12:32 PM  
Maybe if they'd invest a little more in the "small market" teams to make them more appealing/attractive, people would care more. As it is yeah, basically only three markets are catered to which results in this sort of happening.
 
2012-10-25 09:25:29 PM  
Eh, I was just waiting for when big boy baseball starts in the AL park.
 
2012-10-25 09:26:32 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: Baseball is a dying sport. I bet if you broke those numbers down by age, the decline would be even more steep in the crucial 18-49 year old demographic.


TV ratings for all sports have been declining for years except big-time NFL games
 
2012-10-25 09:31:22 PM  
I root for the Rangers. I am not acknowledging baseball for a while.
 
2012-10-25 09:34:54 PM  
You're either a butthurt fan or don't like baseball....

/thread summed up
//well bye
 
2012-10-25 09:42:42 PM  

kmmontandon: There are three regions that MLB markets to, essentially: NY, Boston, L.A.

Anything else is a distraction, and that mindset tends to filter down to the fanbase.


There's a lot more to this country than the northeast and LA. I don't want to watch NY or LA in the WS. Now or ever. Same goes for their football and basketball teams.

If butthurt little biatches in those three cities don't want to watch, they really aren't baseball fans.
 
2012-10-25 09:51:55 PM  

hbk72777: The people in Detroit would've watched, if they had electricity


We had electricity, but just decided we'd rather shoot at each other than watch the disaster that was the Tigers last night.

/I'm from Detroit....
//well, at least to the same degree Mitt Romney is anyway....
 
2012-10-25 09:55:33 PM  

LemSkroob: SF has plenty of other things going on,


SF is a massive baseball town, so it doesn't matter that there's stuff to do, they love the Giants.
 
2012-10-25 10:07:13 PM  
There was a big game last ni...oh, you mean baseball. Yeah, I'm as excited for the World Series as I was for the WNBA finals.
 
2012-10-25 10:13:00 PM  
What I don't understand is this. If you're a fan of a team and they are on tv or playing for an important game, WHY DO YOU CARE IF ANYONE ELSE IS?
 
2012-10-25 10:13:44 PM  

great_tigers: What I don't understand is this. If you're a fan of a team and they are on tv or playing for an important game, WHY DO YOU CARE IF ANYONE ELSE IS WATCHING?

 
2012-10-25 10:19:55 PM  

great_tigers: What I don't understand is this. If you're a fan of a team and they are on tv or playing for an important game, WHY DO YOU CARE IF ANYONE ELSE IS?


Because you want people to give a crap about your team's victory. If you're all excited about your team winning and everyone just responds, "well, good for them," or "oh, they're still playing?" that's kinda a big letdown. Part of the reason you root for your team to win is so you can do some sweet, sweet, BIRGing.
 
2012-10-25 10:21:57 PM  
Who the fark would voluntary choose to endure Tim McCarver?
 
2012-10-25 10:23:22 PM  

IAmRight: great_tigers: What I don't understand is this. If you're a fan of a team and they are on tv or playing for an important game, WHY DO YOU CARE IF ANYONE ELSE IS?

Because you want people to give a crap about your team's victory. If you're all excited about your team winning and everyone just responds, "well, good for them," or "oh, they're still playing?" that's kinda a big letdown. Part of the reason you root for your team to win is so you can do some sweet, sweet, BIRGing.


Why? My feelings will not change if you are happy or sad.
 
2012-10-25 10:36:05 PM  

great_tigers: Why? My feelings will not change if you are happy or sad.


Most people enjoy celebrating success with like-minded people. You might not, but then you're the weirdo.

/also, if everyone stops giving a sh*t about your sport, then they stop televising it and it goes away
 
2012-10-25 10:36:28 PM  

TheJoe03: SF is a massive baseball town, so it doesn't matter that there's stuff to do, they love the Giants.


this

Think of the spontaneous WS celebration at AT&T park in 2010, when the team was still in Texas. Thousands upon thousands of people showed up just because they could. Hell of a moment.
 
2012-10-25 10:41:31 PM  

IAmRight: great_tigers: Why? My feelings will not change if you are happy or sad.

Most people enjoy celebrating success with like-minded people. You might not, but then you're the weirdo.

/also, if everyone stops giving a sh*t about your sport, then they stop televising it and it goes away


You really think baseball is on the way out? For now they are equal with the NBA and far ahead of the other sports. I'm not going to front and act like I care that much about baseball but I still pay attention to it (like I do with the World Cup, and hockey...but that might be over if they have a cancelled season).
 
2012-10-25 10:43:18 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Hell of a moment.


I'm happy that this time around the Giants aren't playing my team this time around. I wanted to go to those epic celebrations but it didn't feel right for me to party after my team lost.

/please beat the Tigers!
 
2012-10-25 10:43:22 PM  

IAmRight: great_tigers: Why? My feelings will not change if you are happy or sad.

Most people enjoy celebrating success with like-minded people. You might not, but then you're the weirdo.

/also, if everyone stops giving a sh*t about your sport, then they stop televising it and it goes away


All good points. However, if we can find just about any sporting event on TV, then I am not too worried about baseball being taken off.

What I don't understand is the need to push the numbers on us. Why would I care if it gets a 12 or a 10?
 
2012-10-25 10:47:24 PM  

TheJoe03: You really think baseball is on the way out?


No, I'm just saying that it's a reason to care if other people are watching.

/sorry about Texas losing last year, I feel kinda responsible. I turned on the TV in Game 6 with the Rangers up in the 9th, thinking "well, if I'm going to watch any baseball this year, I'll at least watch the last inning of the season."
 
2012-10-25 11:03:05 PM  

PowerSlacker: Who the fark would voluntary choose to endure Tim McCarver?


This. With the Cardinals out I have zero interest; however, I'd gladly have it on in the background if it weren't for that fool.

/and Buck
 
2012-10-25 11:06:42 PM  
Oh, the World Series started already?
 
2012-10-25 11:10:13 PM  

IAmRight: sorry about Texas losing last year, I feel kinda responsible. I turned on the TV in Game 6 with the Rangers up in the 9th, thinking "well, if I'm going to watch any baseball this year, I'll at least watch the last inning of the season."


Ha, no worries, I was out having fun (the WS happens between my b-day and Halloween) so i didn't even watch at all. Glad I didn't, tbh, that would have sucked. I remember checking the score and seeing them up and I thought, "they got this". I was shocked when I woke up hungover and put on ESPN.
 
2012-10-25 11:10:50 PM  

p the boiler: As a White Sox fan I really don't want to watch Detroit win it all.


Then you are missing out, as they don't appear to have the upper hand at this point. Much to the dismay of many a sports "expert"
 
2012-10-25 11:29:10 PM  
A big part of the problem is how to watch it (for me). I don't have cable and only get CBS over the air. I watch over 100 games (Philly) during the regular season with MLB.TV but I have no way to watch the game without going to a bar or downloading shady programs. I have listened to both games and watched the gamecast but I haven't seen a minute of live world series.

/love baseball
//28
 
2012-10-25 11:32:34 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: Baseball is a dying sport. I bet if you broke those numbers down by age, the decline would be even more steep in the crucial 18-49 year old demographic.


Except attendance is as high as it's ever been Link

Meanwhile NFL attendance has been on the decline. Not saying less people are watching football, but rather they are just electing to sit at home.

p the boiler: As a White Sox fan I really don't want to watch Detroit win it all.


I'm a White Sox fan, but going to game 4 in Detroit. My uncle is a Tigers fan and offered me a free ticket if I drove out and rooted for the Tigers. I love baseball. I was living downstate in 2005 so this will be my first World Series.
 
2012-10-25 11:35:38 PM  

Elandriel: Maybe if they'd invest a little more in the "small market" teams to make them more appealing/attractive, people would care more. As it is yeah, basically only three markets are catered to which results in this sort of happening.


No that's the NBA. Of your 10 playoff teams this year (Oakland, Texas, Detroit, Baltimore, New York, Atlanta, St. Louis, San Francisco, Cincinnati, and Washington) half of them were small market teams (in bold).

This myth needs to die. It's just not true.
 
2012-10-25 11:37:36 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: No that's the NBA. Of your 10 playoff teams this year (Oakland, Texas, Detroit, Baltimore, New York, Atlanta, St. Louis, San Francisco, Cincinnati, and Washington) half of them were small market teams (in bold).

This myth needs to die. It's just not true.


Miami is not a large market by most people's standards. And neither is Oklahoma City.

/just happens that the Lakers have extremely competent management AND are situated in LA
//and a few talented players have more of an effect in basketball than other sports
 
2012-10-25 11:37:50 PM  

great_tigers: What I don't understand is this. If you're a fan of a team and they are on tv or playing for an important game, WHY DO YOU CARE IF ANYONE ELSE IS?


Because more people watching is good for the game (although I get your point). More people watching means more add revenue. But more importantly it means your league can make more money off exclusive TV deals (which is split between all teams I believe and is a GIANT money maker).
 
2012-10-25 11:40:08 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: But more importantly it means your league can make more money off exclusive TV deals (which is split between all teams I believe and is a GIANT money maker).


Which, based on history, will lead to labor strife, interestingly enough.

/mo' money, mo' problems indeed.
 
2012-10-25 11:42:20 PM  

IAmRight: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: No that's the NBA. Of your 10 playoff teams this year (Oakland, Texas, Detroit, Baltimore, New York, Atlanta, St. Louis, San Francisco, Cincinnati, and Washington) half of them were small market teams (in bold).

This myth needs to die. It's just not true.

Miami is not a large market by most people's standards. And neither is Oklahoma City.

/just happens that the Lakers have extremely competent management AND are situated in LA
//and a few talented players have more of an effect in basketball than other sports


I see what your saying. I think I argued two different points (my mistake). I was getting at more of the "only 3 markets interested" point which pretty much describes the NBA. Every year you have about 3 teams who have an actual shot to win the title. This year it's OKC, Miami, and LA.

For the record I'm not arguing this is a bad thing for the NBA either, because as you stated, it's simply how the sport works.
 
2012-10-25 11:48:29 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Every year you have about 3 teams who have an actual shot to win the title. This year it's OKC, Miami, and LA.


I'd say there's 5-6 teams each year (I'd add San Antonio, Chicago, and Boston). And maybe a wildcard team that can go f*ck things up for one of those teams and give another one of those six an easier road (maybe Indiana - they've had some solid series in the past couple years).

I'd say it's similar to MLB - you can probably rule out about half the league from Game 1. But that's a product of having a long schedule wherein the better teams typically actually separate themselves, rather than being like, say, football, and having 16 games. If you look at teams' records in, say, Game 1 of each of their first 16 series, you'd probably end up with a bunch of different teams getting into the playoffs each year.

It's not a problem that teams aren't expected to win...if you actually want long-term excellence to be rewarded. But now everyone wants "excitement" or "parity" over seeing excellence rewarded, which is why everyone expands playoffs - why not? More teams have more to play for late in the year, more fans see their teams in the playoffs...everyone loves it. But it makes it so you're less likely to see the consistently great as champions.
 
2012-10-25 11:55:43 PM  

TheJoe03: LemSkroob: SF has plenty of other things going on,

SF is a massive baseball town, so it doesn't matter that there's stuff to do, they love the Giants.


Yes, yes we do. GO GIANTS!!!
 
2012-10-26 12:40:59 AM  
MLB only matters in a handful of cities. NFL matters everywhere, even in Cleveland. Outside of the handful of cities the MLB season is over by the All-Star break, despite the fifteen billion games a season they play. In the NFL even a 1-5 team still has a chance. And as long as ESPN and MLB keep relentlessly beating the Yankees-Red Sox drum the NFL will keep chugging along with parity, and these kinds of ratings results will continue and grow.
 
2012-10-26 01:21:01 AM  
Well, the Detroit jokes were already made, so I have no reason to be in this thread, other than to nod in approval.

Go Giants.
 
2012-10-26 05:45:52 AM  
baseball should try not being boring

but at least it's better than soccer
 
2012-10-26 07:21:31 AM  
MLB will still be around when the NFL dies. They're trying to limit concussions and they're marketing to women. The writing is on the wall.
 
2012-10-26 08:10:27 AM  

Dear Jerk: MLB will still be around when the NFL dies. They're trying to limit concussions and they're marketing to women. The writing is on the wall.


Nah. Baseball is a dying game. It's contemplative, and ritualized, and requires an attention span - and in 30 years, there won't be any more people with attention spans.
 
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