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(Mother Jones)   About that whole Benghazi coverup   (motherjones.com) divider line 233
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2012-10-25 06:05:40 PM
Your move GOP.
 
2012-10-25 06:18:59 PM
Even if the State Department email had been accurate, conservatives pounced on it eagerly without underlying corroboration, thereby providing a pretty good example of how complicated intelligence analysis can be and why it's a bad idea to simply jump on a piece of information that fits your preconceived biases.

Shoot first, aim later.
 
2012-10-25 06:31:38 PM
Yeah, you know how I knew there was no coverup? The GOP said there was.
 
2012-10-25 06:59:20 PM
So the GOP and their water carriers took the word of terrorists at face value to try and discredit the President.
 
2012-10-25 07:26:10 PM

Aarontology: So the GOP and their water carriers took the word of terrorists at face value to try and discredit the President.


professional courtesy.
 
2012-10-25 07:54:22 PM
It seems we are in a new age in America, where Democrats are increasingly being seen as stronger on foreign policy (and more trustworthy in terms of their leadership in foreign affairs) than their Republican counterparts.

This is simply one more example of how Republicans have lost their edge. They are the chihuahuas of security rather than the German Shepherds.
 
2012-10-25 08:53:23 PM
About that whole Benghazi coverup is an attempt to Jimmy Carter the president with an Iranian hostage like embarrassment.
 
2012-10-26 09:03:49 AM
Wow...it almost seems as if these things can be confusing and difficult to sort out.

Reuters reported Wednesday that on September 11-the day of the attack-a State Department email with the subject header "Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack" was sent to the White House. The message stated that "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli." Case closed, conservatives said: The White House had engaged in a cover-up.

Since when is a group claiming responsibility for an attack proof that they were behind it? Typically, phones ring off the hook after an attack with every group, wannabe group or lone crackpot taking credit.

Why so quick to believe terrorists, "conservatives?" Nothing to do with an irrational hatred of Obama or the pending elections, I'm sure.

...and on top of it all, it never happened.

Seriously, who wants these Palin-Americans in charge?
 
2012-10-26 09:33:01 AM

Shrew2u: It seems we are in a new age in America, where Democrats are increasingly being seen as stronger on foreign policy (and more trustworthy in terms of their leadership in foreign affairs) than their Republican counterparts.

This is simply one more example of how Republicans have lost their edge. They are the chihuahuas of security rather than the German Shepherds.


That's why the GOP has so desperately clung to a largely imagined Benghazi 'scandal.' It's all they have left of a formerly tough (and largely self-styled) image. The desperate grasping to make the president appear weak is just pathetic.

Obama basically kills everything he sees. You can't even hijack a boat on the other side of the world without getting his foot in your ass. The days of characterizing Democrats as p*ssies are essentially over, and it leaves the GOP with a gaping hole in their platform.
 
2012-10-26 10:07:59 AM

ginandbacon: Your move GOP.


Anyone smart/honest/informed enough to properly understand this issue will not be swayed by it to switch their vote to Obama because they already thought the whole Libyan thing was a lame attack on Obama to begin with.

Anyone dumb/dishonest/ignorant enough to either reject this issue or not even be aware of it in the first place, will not be switching their vote to Obama anyways.
 
2012-10-26 10:18:10 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-10-26 11:16:15 AM
It's a slam dunk!!!
 
2012-10-26 11:17:02 AM

propasaurus: Even if the State Department email had been accurate, conservatives pounced on it eagerly without underlying corroboration, thereby providing a pretty good example of how complicated intelligence analysis can be and why it's a bad idea to simply jump on a piece of information that fits your preconceived biases.

Shoot first, aim later.


They know their flock, who only waits for evidence when it supports their preconceptions.
 
2012-10-26 11:17:07 AM
I STILL don't know why this is an issue.
 
2012-10-26 11:17:55 AM
I thought the correct response was to bomb Tehran withing 5 minutes of the ambassador's death? Y'know, once we really have a grasp on what's going on.
 
2012-10-26 11:19:18 AM

ginandbacon: Your move GOP.


Are you new here? They'll just ignore these facts and stick to their initial claims.
 
2012-10-26 11:19:41 AM
Christ why are we still talking about this?
 
2012-10-26 11:20:03 AM
Why do these people think that the American public needs to know about sensitive information immediately? You know, it might be better if the President chooses not to tell the world about our intelligence gathering capacity.
 
2012-10-26 11:20:37 AM

CPennypacker: I STILL don't know why this is an issue.


Because the GOP desperately needs it to be.
 
2012-10-26 11:20:43 AM

Aarontology: So the GOP and their water carriers took the word of terrorists at face value to try and discredit the President.


Paging Ric Romero, Ric Romero white courtesy phone
 
2012-10-26 11:21:49 AM

CPennypacker: I STILL don't know why this is an issue.


Because the largest national security failure in US history occured on the GOP's watch.
 
2012-10-26 11:24:22 AM
Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.
 
2012-10-26 11:24:36 AM

PanicMan: Christ why are we still talking about this?


Because it's election season. Otherwise this wouldn't have made it past the 24-hour news cycle.
 
2012-10-26 11:24:57 AM
(Zelin provided Mother Jones with screenshots of AAS's Twitter feed and Facebook page, which he also provided to CNN. It's possible the posts could have been deleted, but there's no way to prove that.)

While I think the coverup story is stupid for many reasons, that article is 100% based on not understanding facebook or twitter posts could be deleted as well as assuming the email author was basing his email on facebook or twitter.

But then the article admits it's easy to delete facebook and twitter posts, and indeed the following morning's facebook post makes more sense if there was a deleted post taking responsibility.

Katibat Ansar al-Sharia [in Benghazi] as a military did not participate formally/officially and not by direct orders."

All in all a Mother Jones fail in failing to demonstrate what they claim.
 
2012-10-26 11:25:01 AM
Condi Rice on Fox last night even dispelled the whole idea that this was a botched situation.
 
2012-10-26 11:25:35 AM
Facebook and Twitter postings are much better than confirmation through investigation you silly libtards.
 
2012-10-26 11:25:54 AM

Mrbogey: Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.


Can you provide some links please?
 
2012-10-26 11:26:32 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: CPennypacker: I STILL don't know why this is an issue.

Because the GOP desperately needs it to be.


There's not going to be a better or more succinct answer than this one.
 
2012-10-26 11:26:55 AM

ginandbacon: Your move GOP.


They'll just double down now, it's what they always do when they find out they're completely and utterly wrong. Again.
 
2012-10-26 11:27:17 AM

zarberg: Condi Rice on Fox last night even dispelled the whole idea that this was a botched situation.


She only did that because Obama is black.
 
2012-10-26 11:28:46 AM
Sometimes crap happens, people get killed, and not everything can be anticipated. The Republicans are looking for fault that isn't there. That being said I think the White House handled it in the worst possible manner. Because we're so close to the election they tried to minimize the situation, treating the murder of an ambassador like some minor detail. Just because the Republicans are wrong about who's fault the security failure is doesn't mean that you can wave off an attack on an embassy as something to be overlooked because it's politically inconvenient for you at the moment.

I'm upset more at the White House's apparent lack of concern over the situation than at Republicans trying to blame someone.
 
2012-10-26 11:29:14 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Sometimes crap happens, people get killed, and not everything can be anticipated. The Republicans are looking for fault that isn't there. That being said I think the White House handled it in the worst possible manner. Because we're so close to the election they tried to minimize the situation, treating the murder of an ambassador like some minor detail. Just because the Republicans are wrong about who's fault the security failure is doesn't mean that you can wave off an attack on an embassy as something to be overlooked because it's politically inconvenient for you at the moment.

I'm upset more at the White House's apparent lack of concern over the situation than at Republicans trying to blame someone.


What should the administration have done?
 
2012-10-26 11:29:24 AM

Mrbogey: Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.


How about a few links to back up what you're saying?
 
2012-10-26 11:29:46 AM
Let's not let facts get in the way of a predictable solely political histrionic GOP hissy fit. I'm sure Issa will end up spending more investigating this than the $3 million the GOP congress spent investigating what went wrong on 9/11/2001.
 
2012-10-26 11:30:20 AM
Spin,
Counterspin.
Spin,
Counterspin.
Spin,
Counterspin.
 
2012-10-26 11:30:24 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Sometimes crap happens, people get killed, and not everything can be anticipated. The Republicans are looking for fault that isn't there. That being said I think the White House handled it in the worst possible manner. Because we're so close to the election they tried to minimize the situation, treating the murder of an ambassador like some minor detail. Just because the Republicans are wrong about who's fault the security failure is doesn't mean that you can wave off an attack on an embassy as something to be overlooked because it's politically inconvenient for you at the moment.

I'm upset more at the White House's apparent lack of concern over the situation than at Republicans trying to blame someone.


What should they have done? Be detailed.
 
2012-10-26 11:30:44 AM

propasaurus: Even if the State Department email had been accurate, conservatives pounced on it eagerly without underlying corroboration, thereby providing a pretty good example of how complicated intelligence analysis can be and why it's a bad idea to simply jump on a piece of information that fits your preconceived biases.

Shoot first, aim later.


I can see Obama using this to make Romney look even worse than he already has, with embarrassing conservatives as a bonus.
 
2012-10-26 11:31:15 AM

qorkfiend: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Sometimes crap happens, people get killed, and not everything can be anticipated. The Republicans are looking for fault that isn't there. That being said I think the White House handled it in the worst possible manner. Because we're so close to the election they tried to minimize the situation, treating the murder of an ambassador like some minor detail. Just because the Republicans are wrong about who's fault the security failure is doesn't mean that you can wave off an attack on an embassy as something to be overlooked because it's politically inconvenient for you at the moment.

I'm upset more at the White House's apparent lack of concern over the situation than at Republicans trying to blame someone.

What should the administration have done?


We should have bombed Libya back to the stone age and asked questions later.
 
2012-10-26 11:31:49 AM
I honestly do no understand why there is such outrage over how this incident was initially labeled by the administration. The region is an absolute hotbed of strife and radicalism with so many variables that are unforeseeable, so in my mind it would have been completely irresponsible to attempt to assign blame for the incident without having at least a superficial understanding of what transpired.

People are getting pissed that the Obama administration didn't make a knee-jerk reaction and I personally don't understand why.
 
2012-10-26 11:32:18 AM

MFAWG: CPennypacker: I STILL don't know why this is an issue.

Because the largest national security failure in US history occured on the GOP's watch.


Therefor, Obama has to be to blame for something equally bad. It's fair and balanced!
 
2012-10-26 11:33:03 AM

Mrbogey: Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.


Hey look! Someone trying to reanimate a dead horse.
 
2012-10-26 11:33:07 AM

unexplained bacon: Mrbogey: Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.

How about a few links to back up what you're saying?


This is his source: Glenn Beck Show
 
2012-10-26 11:33:29 AM

RoyBatty: Mrbogey: Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

Can you provide some links please?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied- r equest-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/
 
2012-10-26 11:35:03 AM

CrackpipeCardozo: I honestly do no understand why there is such outrage over how this incident was initially labeled by the administration. The region is an absolute hotbed of strife and radicalism with so many variables that are unforeseeable, so in my mind it would have been completely irresponsible to attempt to assign blame for the incident without having at least a superficial understanding of what transpired.

People are getting pissed that the Obama administration didn't make a knee-jerk reaction and I personally don't understand why.


You seriously don't understand why the GOP is pissed that Obama didn't/doesn't shoot from the hip?

// because it's a repudiation of their entire past 30-years' worth of foreign policy, probably
 
2012-10-26 11:35:20 AM

T.M.S.: unexplained bacon: Mrbogey: Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.

How about a few links to back up what you're saying?

This is his source: Glenn Beck Show


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Epic Fail is achieved.
 
2012-10-26 11:35:21 AM

T.M.S.: unexplained bacon: Mrbogey: Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.

How about a few links to back up what you're saying?

This is his source: Glenn Beck Show


Hmmm I'm gonna need a couple of chalk boards and a box of tissue to sort all this out.

What's beck's source?
Anyone?
 
2012-10-26 11:35:27 AM

Mrbogey: RoyBatty: Mrbogey: Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

Can you provide some links please?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied- r equest-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/


Ah the old "someone said it, totally" proof.
 
2012-10-26 11:36:03 AM

Mrbogey: RoyBatty: Mrbogey: Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

Can you provide some links please?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied- r equest-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/


Interesting. Anything from a reputable, you know, news agency?
 
2012-10-26 11:36:38 AM
I'm shocked.

Shocked and awed.
 
2012-10-26 11:36:49 AM

unexplained bacon: T.M.S.: unexplained bacon: Mrbogey: Tyrone Wood's father has stated that Hillary Clinton told him the deaths were caused by a response to the video and the filmmaker would be prosecuted. The administration blatantly lied about the nature of the attack.

Its also come out that there were assets in the area but they were not used.

That 3AM call came in at 3PM and Obama dropped the ball.

Now spin and yell it all away. Don't disappoint me Fark Non-partisans.

How about a few links to back up what you're saying?

This is his source: Glenn Beck Show

Hmmm I'm gonna need a couple of chalk boards and a box of tissue to sort all this out.

What's beck's source?
Anyone?


The voices in his head.
 
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