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Xai
2012-10-25 08:19:14 PM  
With minimal scope for customer base expansion, slowly eroding margins and basically a monopoly, it was only a matter of time.
 
2012-10-25 08:22:25 PM  
Non member for over a year now. Too many divorced (and a few married) women looking for "discrete" dickings. /wouldn't mind if I was single of course/
 
2012-10-25 08:26:22 PM  
Facebook now requires page admins to pay to promote their updates if we want our content to be seen by our fans. If we do not pay to promote our posts, only about 10% of our fans receive the updates on their Facebook home page feed.

To keep RECEIVING ALL POSTS FROM us, you have to hover the mouse on the "Like" button near our name on our Facebook page. In the drop-down menu select "ADD TO INTEREST LISTS". Then create an interest list (and make a name for your favorite sites). When you select that interest list on your home page you will see ALL of our posts.
 
2012-10-25 08:32:19 PM  
I swear this has happened before.
 
2012-10-25 08:53:07 PM  
Meh, perhaps 15% or less of those page's posts are worth reading. I'm a fan of random movies sure but I don't need their obviously bored page admins bombing my view full of random quotes from those movies.
 
2012-10-25 08:53:17 PM  
farking people have to make money off everything... hope they failbook miserably
 
2012-10-25 08:57:48 PM  

moefuggenbrew: farking people have to make money off everything... hope they failbook miserably


yaaaaa, man!

hey dude, what time is the next commie meeting?
 
2012-10-25 09:03:42 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Meh, perhaps 15% or less of those page's posts are worth reading. I'm a fan of random movies sure but I don't need their obviously bored page admins bombing my view full of random quotes from those movies.


As someone who likes the NPR feed quite a bit and has noticed it's no longer showing up very often, this is really annoying to me.
 
2012-10-25 09:20:42 PM  

halB: yaaaaa, man!

hey dude, what time is the next commie meeting?


Link
 
2012-10-25 09:35:43 PM  

halB: moefuggenbrew: farking people have to make money off everything... hope they failbook miserably

yaaaaa, man!

hey dude, what time is the next commie meeting?


Yes, because if you're against bait-and-switch that's like a regulation and not capitalism. Merika!
 
2012-10-25 09:38:25 PM  
there is a certain spybot, intusive, money grubbing at your expense social 'network' that I have blocked on my computer. There are some idiots that are hooked on this social media and base their life and many theatrical presentations based on what goes on there.
Pitiful really. Go ahead and pay somebody to monitor your correspondence instead of doing a face to face.
 
2012-10-25 09:42:51 PM  

moefuggenbrew: farking people have to make money off everything... hope they failbook miserably


Aren't the baskets of cash delivered to facebook headquarters each morning by candy crapping unicorns enough? The greed of these people!
 
2012-10-25 10:13:07 PM  
And now witness the profit margins of their fully operational business plan.

It's just a matter of time before people start leaving. They were offering $7.58/post rates to show my drunken posts to my idiot friends. I was pretty sure I would've paid money to hide those posts, not pay to get MORE people to see them.
 
2012-10-25 10:14:54 PM  
They seem to be trying lawfully hard to run us off.
 
2012-10-25 10:38:27 PM  
Apparently MLB Memes and George Takei are paying up since they make up most of my FB feed anymore.

/mlb memes will get the ban hammer pretty soon since it's pretty stupid
 
2012-10-25 10:39:41 PM  
Social networking will never be profitable. Everyone expects it to be free. We will forever be cursed with regular booms and busts as a site takes off on hype and then collapses a few years later when the investors demand profit.
 
2012-10-25 10:45:14 PM  
It's the beginning of the end for Facebook. Everybody I know on Facebook is more-or-less abandoning it. And more interestingly, they aren't *replacing* it with anything.

I think the whole "social networking" thing is suffering the same fate as e-mail. Basically, Facebook is just another way to communicate. The novelty has worn off. It will stick around forever, probably, but they will NEVER be all that profitable.

Plus, of course, everyone just sends SMS messages to each other these days anyway.
 
2012-10-25 11:19:26 PM  

realmolo: It's the beginning of the end for Facebook. Everybody I know on Facebook is more-or-less abandoning it. And more interestingly, they aren't *replacing* it with anything.

I think the whole "social networking" thing is suffering the same fate as e-mail. Basically, Facebook is just another way to communicate. The novelty has worn off. It will stick around forever, probably, but they will NEVER be all that profitable.

Plus, of course, everyone just sends SMS messages to each other these days anyway.


hologram "help me obi wan kenobi help me" messages will be fun
 
2012-10-25 11:22:55 PM  
Was a fark given? And by whom?
Why can't I become a fan anymore?
I want to become a fan and fall into a bathtub!
 
2012-10-25 11:39:52 PM  
I solved my facebook problem by not logging on anymore.
/don't care
 
2012-10-25 11:41:40 PM  
I pretty much use it to know when my favorite food truck is going to be out and about, not getting their updates is seriously hurting my ability to get a soft shell crab taco.
 
2012-10-26 12:07:02 AM  
Called it. Facebook is just this decade's AOL.
 
2012-10-26 12:36:36 AM  
my facebook abstinence cool-factor just skyrocketed.
 
2012-10-26 12:41:40 AM  
I haven't "liked" that many companies, so that's not a huge deal, but I had to manually go through and change the settings so that I see all my friends' status updates and not just the ones facebook thinks I should see. Yes, I know people hate babies, but when my friend posts the first pictures of his newborn, I would actually like to farking see that. I was probably getting roughly 75% of the status updates my friends were posting... and I don't have that many facebook friends.
 
2012-10-26 12:49:58 AM  

mesmer242: I haven't "liked" that many companies, so that's not a huge deal, but I had to manually go through and change the settings so that I see all my friends' status updates and not just the ones facebook thinks I should see. Yes, I know people hate babies, but when my friend posts the first pictures of his newborn, I would actually like to farking see that. I was probably getting roughly 75% of the status updates my friends were posting... and I don't have that many facebook friends.


starcasm.net
 
2012-10-26 02:19:57 AM  

AbbeySomeone: there is a certain spybot, intusive, money grubbing at your expense social 'network' that I have blocked on my computer. There are some idiots that are hooked on this social media and base their life and many theatrical presentations based on what goes on there.
Pitiful really. Go ahead and pay somebody to monitor your correspondence instead of doing a face to face.


I'm 9 hours away from friends and family and moving home next summer to try and start a small business. I had barely used Facebook for years but now I'm trying to get back in touch with basically everyone and using it lots.

I've noticed even when I'm really active, there are some posts I'm just not seeing from other people. My mom is bad for the "did you see my post??" calls and even on days where I would've, some just aren't showing up on my feed. I wonder if this is the same issue. I've also noticed some of my updates don't even show up in my newsfeed and when that happens, she can't see them either without going directly to my page.

The good news is I use Facebook for unimportant bullshiat related to getting used to interacting casually with people back home because calling to catch up would be awkward with some of them (and I hate phones).

The bad news for them is I'm getting ready to start a business and hearing this guarantees I won't be building a plan that relies much on Facebook, which wasn't the case before.
 
2012-10-26 02:20:51 AM  
Well...bye

They were never going to live up to the IPO valuation, the only thing to see was how they fail. Fail to keep the users, or fail to make money off of them. It seems they're going with the former. Thinking about it I applaud this choice, the platform has been getting worse for years maybe we'll move on to something fresher and less cluttered.
 
2012-10-26 02:24:31 AM  

MithrandirBooga: Social networking will never be profitable. Everyone expects it to be free. We will forever be cursed with regular booms and busts as a site takes off on hype and then collapses a few years later when the investors demand profit.


It could be profitable if it charged a low subscription rate for business accounts (I'd be willing to use one, working on opening a bakery), and if it cultivated a better gaming atmosphere and skimmed off the profits companies are making from the games. But Facebook tends to attract shiatty games (Loot Drop is trying to change this--social gaming designed by John Romero and Brenda Brathwaite, and if anyone could make FB games better, it's them) and is extorting money per post instead of as a flat fee for a type of account.
 
2012-10-26 03:10:36 AM  
Hilariously, when I linked that site on FB, it immediately dropped off my news feed, and I found it buried in with updates from 6 hours previously. Where nobody's going to bother to read it. That's not suspicious at ALL.
 
2012-10-26 03:33:19 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: MithrandirBooga: Social networking will never be profitable. Everyone expects it to be free. We will forever be cursed with regular booms and busts as a site takes off on hype and then collapses a few years later when the investors demand profit.

It could be profitable if it charged a low subscription rate for business accounts (I'd be willing to use one, working on opening a bakery), and if it cultivated a better gaming atmosphere and skimmed off the profits companies are making from the games. But Facebook tends to attract shiatty games (Loot Drop is trying to change this--social gaming designed by John Romero and Brenda Brathwaite, and if anyone could make FB games better, it's them) and is extorting money per post instead of as a flat fee for a type of account.


I have no horse in the race either way, but it reminded me of a Penny Arcade Comic:

art.penny-arcade.com
 
2012-10-26 05:38:04 AM  
Since the mobile app doesn't let users change any options to see pages (or updates) that is probably 60% of Facebook users not seeing what they want to see.
 
2012-10-26 05:42:39 AM  

realmolo: It's the beginning of the end for Facebook. Everybody I know on Facebook is more-or-less abandoning it. And more interestingly, they aren't *replacing* it with anything.

I think the whole "social networking" thing is suffering the same fate as e-mail. Basically, Facebook is just another way to communicate. The novelty has worn off. It will stick around forever, probably, but they will NEVER be all that profitable.

Plus, of course, everyone just sends SMS messages to each other these days anyway.


Email is dead? um... what?
 
2012-10-26 05:53:39 AM  

I sound fat: realmolo: It's the beginning of the end for Facebook. Everybody I know on Facebook is more-or-less abandoning it. And more interestingly, they aren't *replacing* it with anything.

I think the whole "social networking" thing is suffering the same fate as e-mail. Basically, Facebook is just another way to communicate. The novelty has worn off. It will stick around forever, probably, but they will NEVER be all that profitable.

Plus, of course, everyone just sends SMS messages to each other these days anyway.

Email is dead? um... what?


Email is dead as far as "fad" status is concerned. Adults will still write emails. Kids and college students use it to communicate with teachers and other figures, but never their peers. They've replaced it with SMS. Instead of huge letters, kids now communicate in a steady, small flow of information. After all, what's more efficient? Constant communication even if trivial, or massive blocks of information through email?

The only time I've written a short email is when a sender didn't add something for me to acknowledge that I read it. I Sure would not send a massive wall of text over SMS.

SMS would have caught on faster in the states if wireless providers hadn't made them prohibitively expensive. Kids racking up $500 phone bills just through text transmission? What a scam!
 
2012-10-26 06:57:33 AM  
Heck I have had status updates of mine that I can't see. But they are apparently out there because they get random likes.

But then I have people that I friended that I don't remember sending invites to.

It is a pretty shady outfit but I don't put anything drastic on it.
 
2012-10-26 07:36:18 AM  
God forbid you just use the site for social networking. There is no need for all this fan site crap. Just use it to figure out who you want to fark this weekend
 
2012-10-26 07:49:08 AM  
It kind of makes sense in our new money = speech reality.

Now the most obnoxious people with the most cash will be heard from and seen the most. Technology has truly caught up to the real world.
 
2012-10-26 07:56:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It kind of makes sense in our new money = speech reality.

Now the most obnoxious people with the most cash will be heard from and seen the most. Technology has truly caught up to the real world.


Yessir, this is a completely new development in the history of human events. It sure is harder now than ever before for the little guy to be heard.
 
2012-10-26 08:03:15 AM  

Crudbucket: HotWingConspiracy: It kind of makes sense in our new money = speech reality.

Now the most obnoxious people with the most cash will be heard from and seen the most. Technology has truly caught up to the real world.

Yessir, this is a completely new development in the history of human events. It sure is harder now than ever before for the little guy to be heard.


Nonsense, everyone is free spend millions if they want to be heard, even the poors. It's very democratic.
 
2012-10-26 08:17:17 AM  
Butthurt corporations are mad because they no longer get free advertising? NO!

/eff em
 
2012-10-26 09:11:17 AM  
The chicken wanderered through the pen, happy and safe in the knowledge that the farmer fed him, housed him, and chased the foxes away.
 
kab
2012-10-26 09:12:38 AM  
but... but think of the shareholders!

Lolbook is doing a fantastic job of shooting itself in the foot at every turn. Keep scrambling, because it's humorous to watch, as will be the eventual mass exodus.
 
2012-10-26 09:27:59 AM  
I was using lists to organize all that stuff. Then Facebook f*cked that up so you can only add friends and not pages to your lists. You have to put pages on some "interests" page.

The f*cked up thing is, I'm a vet and many of my friends are/were in the service, and live out of state. Without Facebook I'd never hear from them. It's just the way they prefer to communicate.
 
2012-10-26 10:40:46 AM  

bdub77: BumpInTheNight: Meh, perhaps 15% or less of those page's posts are worth reading. I'm a fan of random movies sure but I don't need their obviously bored page admins bombing my view full of random quotes from those movies.

As someone who likes the NPR feed quite a bit and has noticed it's no longer showing up very often, this is really annoying to me.


Protip: adjust your settings so the NPR feed shows up all the time.
 
2012-10-26 01:41:37 PM  

Hugh2d2: Butthurt corporations are mad because they no longer get free advertising? NO!

/eff em


They're mad because they did most of the work/cost getting people to "like" them on Facebook, and now Facebook is charging them money to have their fans even see what they're posting.

The companies made the mistake of putting Facebook in control of their communications with their customers, or course Facebook will take advantage. That doesn't make what Facebook is doing right.
 
2012-10-26 02:57:09 PM  

verbaltoxin: The f*cked up thing is, I'm a vet and many of my friends are/were in the service, and live out of state. Without Facebook I'd never hear from them. It's just the way they prefer to communicate.


What does you being a vet have to do with this, at all? Can you (vets collectively) stop playing the vet card all the time? We get it, you're either more patriotic than everyone else, you couldn't figure out what you wanted to do with your life, or you were forced to enlist somehow.
 
2012-10-26 03:01:36 PM  

skrame: verbaltoxin: The f*cked up thing is, I'm a vet and many of my friends are/were in the service, and live out of state. Without Facebook I'd never hear from them. It's just the way they prefer to communicate.

What does you being a vet have to do with this, at all? Can you (vets collectively) stop playing the vet card all the time? We get it, you're either more patriotic than everyone else, you couldn't figure out what you wanted to do with your life, or you were forced to enlist somehow.


Well, if you bothered to read his post, it's pretty plain what his being a vet has to do with it.
 
2012-10-26 03:25:40 PM  

starsrift: skrame: verbaltoxin: The f*cked up thing is, I'm a vet and many of my friends are/were in the service, and live out of state. Without Facebook I'd never hear from them. It's just the way they prefer to communicate.

What does you being a vet have to do with this, at all? Can you (vets collectively) stop playing the vet card all the time? We get it, you're either more patriotic than everyone else, you couldn't figure out what you wanted to do with your life, or you were forced to enlist somehow.

Well, if you bothered to read his post, it's pretty plain what his being a vet has to do with it.


I thought he meant veterinarian, and trying to keep up with old pals from medical school.
 
2012-10-26 03:28:06 PM  

starsrift: skrame: verbaltoxin: The f*cked up thing is, I'm a vet and many of my friends are/were in the service, and live out of state. Without Facebook I'd never hear from them. It's just the way they prefer to communicate.

What does you being a vet have to do with this, at all? Can you (vets collectively) stop playing the vet card all the time? We get it, you're either more patriotic than everyone else, you couldn't figure out what you wanted to do with your life, or you were forced to enlist somehow.

Well, if you bothered to read his post, it's pretty plain what his being a vet has to do with it.


No, I read his post and it's obvious what being geographically apart from his friends has to do with it. Anybody could have many friends who live out of state that they wouldn't hear from without Facebook. They could have moved or been separated by any career or even education. It's not more farked because he's a vet; it's just equally farked up because he no longer lives close to his friends.

I'm a web product manager and I have friends/family in about a dozen states and a few abroad. Would it make equal sense for me to say "What's really farked up is I'm a webmaster, and I have associates and family that I wouldn't talk to without Facebook"? No, that information has nothing to do with the rest of my statement.

The point of his statement is that he relies on Facebook and that Facebook is screwing the pooch by making it more difficult for him.
 
2012-10-26 03:30:30 PM  

Yoyo: I thought he meant veterinarian, and trying to keep up with old pals from medical school.


If that's the case, then I apologize for my off-topic anti-military rant. I whole-heartedly believe that people caring for animals need the best and most wide-open means of communication available to them, without having to go through the pains of organizing lists.
 
2012-10-26 06:02:07 PM  
Facebook is an epic waste of time. It is not a viable advertising/marketing tool.
 
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