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2012-10-25 05:31:17 PM
Hey subby, quit stealing Dave Hodge's Material!
 
2012-10-25 05:51:09 PM
FTA:

More than anything, the last two weeks have really been about re-staging that mourning in a way that redirects our anger at the players.

Yeah, because you know what, players? What amount of sympathy I do have for you is rapidly depleting when you sit around and do f*ck all to get the season started. You rejected their offer, they rejected your counter-offer. We know that.

But FFS, if you're serious about wanting to play, get back to the table and get working. I have a news flash, you're not going to get everything you want, the league won't get everything it wants. F*cking deal with that and get going.

One last thing, players. Don't forget that the loss of a season f*cks you WAY more than it f*cks the owners. There's a very fine line where sitting out and trying to squeak out a bit more revenue will be totally undermined by the amount of money you're losing.
 
2012-10-25 06:30:11 PM
*sigh*
 
2012-10-25 06:36:43 PM

Rev.K: FTA:

More than anything, the last two weeks have really been about re-staging that mourning in a way that redirects our anger at the players.

Yeah, because you know what, players? What amount of sympathy I do have for you is rapidly depleting when you sit around and do f*ck all to get the season started. You rejected their offer, they rejected your counter-offer. We know that.

But FFS, if you're serious about wanting to play, get back to the table and get working. I have a news flash, you're not going to get everything you want, the league won't get everything it wants. F*cking deal with that and get going.

One last thing, players. Don't forget that the loss of a season f*cks you WAY more than it f*cks the owners. There's a very fine line where sitting out and trying to squeak out a bit more revenue will be totally undermined by the amount of money you're losing.


To paraphrase Brendan Shanahan when asked what he learned after the last time a season was cancelled "No one missed us"
 
2012-10-25 09:01:33 PM
Fark 'em all in the ear!
 
2012-10-25 09:01:52 PM

Silvara: *sigh*


The fairer gender is always so calm. I'm ready to chuck my tablet through the TV.
 
2012-10-25 09:11:46 PM
TFA: Of course, like the offer itself, this dramatic withdrawal isn't so much about what the players think. It's about what we think, and it has been since it hit NHL.com last week. I would argue that the proposal wasn't designed to save the 82-game season so much as it was designed to look like it was designed that way, thereby making the players seem like a bunch of jerks when they looked it over and came to the reasonable conclusion that it wasn't for them.

The NHL didn't post that offer up on NHL.com so that the public could see it. They put it there so that the players could see it.

The NHL believes (probably correctly), that the Fehrs and the NHLPA leadership don't share details of proposals and negotiations with the rank-and-file. Last week's maneuver was an attempt to catapult that filter and get a proposal into the hands of Joe Thirdliner (the guys who can't just jet off to Europe to play and are really hurt by lost paychecks), so that they would put pressure on the union leadership to negotiate off that proposal and make a deal.
 
2012-10-25 09:13:12 PM

Rev.K: FTA:

More than anything, the last two weeks have really been about re-staging that mourning in a way that redirects our anger at the players.

Yeah, because you know what, players? What amount of sympathy I do have for you is rapidly depleting when you sit around and do f*ck all to get the season started. You rejected their offer, they rejected your counter-offer. We know that.

But FFS, if you're serious about wanting to play, get back to the table and get working. I have a news flash, you're not going to get everything you want, the league won't get everything it wants. F*cking deal with that and get going.

One last thing, players. Don't forget that the loss of a season f*cks you WAY more than it f*cks the owners. There's a very fine line where sitting out and trying to squeak out a bit more revenue will be totally undermined by the amount of money you're losing.


Are you aware that the players asked to negotiate with the NHL in the last two days no strings attached and the NHL declined.

Whos barganing in bad faith now? Its clear the owners have an agenda and they are playing it to the very point. They have NO INTENTION of signing a deal with the players.
 
2012-10-25 09:15:57 PM
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2012-10-25 09:16:55 PM

Doc Daneeka: The NHL didn't post that offer up on NHL.com so that the public could see it. They put it there so that the players could see it.


It was absolutely for the public, it was so the NHLPA would look like bad guys.
 
2012-10-25 09:19:14 PM

ElwoodCuse: Doc Daneeka: The NHL didn't post that offer up on NHL.com so that the public could see it. They put it there so that the players could see it.

It was absolutely for the public, it was so the NHLPA would look like bad guys.


Nah, the owners don't care that much about PR. They believe the fans will come back no matter what. They don't care about winning a PR battle. They just care about winning the CBA.

I like my theory better.
 
2012-10-25 09:19:32 PM

Rev.K: One last thing, players. Don't forget that the loss of a season f*cks you WAY more than it f*cks the owners. There's a very fine line where sitting out and trying to squeak out a bit more revenue will be totally undermined by the amount of money you're losing.


No kidding. When you consider that the average NHL career is 5-6 years & that most of them aren't earning enough to set themselves up for life with only a couple of year's salary, the loss of even part of one of their highest earning years hurts badly. I'm sure that the break even point for that little bit of extra revenue has already been reached for the majority of players.
 
2012-10-25 09:22:57 PM

SDRR: [iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com image 541x480]


This! I finally am over the last lock out, and was planning on catching some games this year. Fark the NHL, owners and players alike!
 
2012-10-25 09:24:22 PM

soopey: Silvara: *sigh*

The fairer gender is always so calm. I'm ready to chuck my tablet through the TV.


To be fair, this is the first time I've gone through it. I wasn't much of a fan the last time this happened. And I am annoyed to shiat and I will be really pissed if we lose a whole season. But right now I'm just trying to stay calm and figure the epic money loss will hit one side or the other soon enough that they'll actually deal and get this over with. Still planning to visit a friend in KC in December and hopefully get over to St. Louis (3 hrs away) to see a game.
 
2012-10-25 09:24:28 PM
Screw it, I'm going to the NFL.

As a Flames fan, it would appear I should cheer for say...the 90s Buffalo Bills...that a good choice?
 
2012-10-25 09:24:52 PM

Doc Daneeka: Nah, the owners don't care that much about PR. They believe the fans will come back no matter what. They don't care about winning a PR battle. They just care about winning the CBA.

I like my theory better.


They went from "we don't negotiate in public" to "here's our entire offer"
 
2012-10-25 09:25:30 PM
I've just stuffed all my Coyotes stuff in the back of the closet to collect dust. F*ck the NHL. F*ck the owners. F*ck Don Fehr.
 
2012-10-25 09:29:03 PM
Submitted? Really?
 
2012-10-25 09:35:33 PM

desertgeek: I've just stuffed all my Coyotes stuff in the back of the closet to collect dust. F*ck the NHL. F*ck the owners. F*ck Don Fehr.


i would never put this away. ever.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-25 09:41:36 PM
I've probably watched more soccer this year (I really mean during the entirety of the 2012 calendar year as opposed to the respective start of the 2012-13 league play seasons) than I have combined in the last three. If the NHL wants to commit figurative seppuku, then I'll just take up some followship of the Eredivisie and Ligue 1 to replace it.
 
2012-10-25 10:13:14 PM

ElwoodCuse: Doc Daneeka: Nah, the owners don't care that much about PR. They believe the fans will come back no matter what. They don't care about winning a PR battle. They just care about winning the CBA.

I like my theory better.

They went from "we don't negotiate in public" to "here's our entire offer"


DING DING DING.

Also let's not forget players are allowed to attend the negotiations, other owners are not. This is a very deliberate move by the NHL, not the knee-jerk reaction a lot of people initially thought it was. Why else would they suddenly give owners/gms a 48 hour window to talk to players but not inform the NHLPA about it?.
 
2012-10-25 10:38:06 PM

thisiszombocom: desertgeek: I've just stuffed all my Coyotes stuff in the back of the closet to collect dust. F*ck the NHL. F*ck the owners. F*ck Don Fehr.

i would never put this away. ever.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]


thats beautiful
 
2012-10-25 11:01:31 PM
It was a paper-thin-transparent PR move to announce it publicly and Bettman should feel bad

/tickets to an AHL game tomorrow night
 
2012-10-25 11:19:38 PM
What makes sports possible?
1. Fans who put up revenue.
2. The talent (not just the players)
3. The owners.

In that order. if you are a redblooded man who claims number three outranks number two, you are either a liar or homosexual -nttawwt. If talent wasn't important we'd all be watching the lingerie football league and not the nfl.
 
2012-10-25 11:38:04 PM
If the NHL refuses to honor prior contracts, the players ought to start their own eight-team league. Hockey's hockey.
 
2012-10-26 01:22:26 AM
Let them play! Let them play!
 
2012-10-26 02:03:04 AM
In other news, MSG will start airing KHL games with PBP in English.

Lockout or no, it's about damn time someone did that.
 
2012-10-26 03:12:08 AM

swahnhennessy: In other news, MSG will start airing KHL games with PBP in English.

Lockout or no, it's about damn time someone did that.


ESPN has been doing it for a couple weeks now.
 
2012-10-26 03:32:18 AM

Silvara: ESPN has been doing it for a couple weeks now.


I wasn't aware that they had English PBP.
 
2012-10-26 03:41:36 AM

swahnhennessy: Silvara: ESPN has been doing it for a couple weeks now.

I wasn't aware that they had English PBP.


Yup. It's rather funny actually. I know one of them on the last few was Mike Milbury, dunno who the other guy was. When they sit there trying to fill time talking about coaches or players they know nothing about, it's pretty hilarious. "So the coach of this team is ___...what do you know about him Mike?" "Not a thing, I'm not going to lie to you, I know not one bit of information about him." "Ok then....anyway..."
 
2012-10-26 07:08:15 AM
I'm so annoyed with the NHL right now.
 
2012-10-26 07:11:34 AM

JohnnyC: I'm so annoyed with the NHL right now.


Thanks for the pic!

;)
 
2012-10-26 07:53:13 AM
"Submitted"?

I'm guessing that autocorrect had something to do with that.
 
2012-10-26 08:18:42 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, get ready to TWIDDLE YOUR THUMBS!

Please direct your attention to center ice where the under-card of will Bill "The Human Penis" Daily and Steve "Where the Hell Did He Come From" Fehr engage in a staring contest.

This will directly be followed by the main event! A pissing match between Gary "The Modern Day Napoleon" Bettman and Donald "I Have Bud Selig's Balls On My Onion Belt" Fehr, scheduled to go 10 rounds or knockout.
 
2012-10-26 08:21:12 AM

soopey: Silvara: *sigh*

The fairer gender is always so calm. I'm ready to chuck my tablet through the TV.


Well hello, Silvara!

I was fairly philosophical about the whole thing, until I told my son there was going to be no NHL season and he burst into tears. Then, I wanted to strangle people. We had a trip to see the Flyers vs. Blues planned for just us: we're actually going to some AHL, OHL and ECHL games instead. We're lucky to be in Michigan too, lots of good college hockey.

OT: Feel free to head to MI if you need a place to evacuate to for Sandy
 
2012-10-26 08:53:51 AM
It is absolutely astounding to me how many fans, particularly Canadian fans, are taking the owners side on this.

I hope the Republican PR strategist the NHL hired is getting paid what he's worth, because he's doing a bang-up job.
 
2012-10-26 09:02:14 AM
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Wait, wut?
 
2012-10-26 09:08:59 AM

sigdiamond2000: It is absolutely astounding to me how many fans, particularly Canadian fans, are taking the owners side on this.


I'm not certain if it's a matter of taking the owners' side. Perhaps more "losing sympathy for the NHLPA".
 
2012-10-26 09:30:57 AM
Harrison is wrong, actually. Everything about the NHL's strategy in the last few weeks is about what the players think. Not what Donald Fehr and his little brother think, or what the hawkish players driving the union bus think. But the rank and file. The offer that was made, publishing it on the league's website and giving GMs and owners the opportunity to answer questions from players directly. Getting fans to side with the owners is definitely a nice benefit, but the point wasn't to change the PR game so much as it was to divide the union.

And frankly, the NHL's tactics are right out of the union playbook. Divide and conquer coupled with "just say no".

The league is going to cancel more games, sit back, and wait to see if another lost paycheque or two will have an impact.
 
2012-10-26 09:39:46 AM

sigdiamond2000: It is absolutely astounding to me how many fans, particularly Canadian fans, are taking the owners side on this.

I hope the Republican PR strategist the NHL hired is getting paid what he's worth, because he's doing a bang-up job.


When you ignore the PR battles, it comes down to a very simple argument in my view. A players' win offers absolutely no benefit to me whatsoever. In fact, the NHLPA's offers are extremely dangerous as, other than the "we just threw this out without running the numbers" third offer last week, they lack the ability to adjust downward if revenues fall off. If the Loonie were to fall off in value against the US dollar, the NHLPA's proposals would fark us right over.

Whether the union likes it or not, pro sports is trending back toward the owners getting the majority of the revenue. A system with lower costs ensures our teams have a far greater chance of not just surviving, but thriving. There is no help for Phoenix (and expect their relocation to be announced not long after this resolves), but the owners proposals do far more for the majority than the players' proposals do. And when push comes to shove, we pretty much all cheer for the logo, not the name bar. Players, despite their protests, are completely and totally replaceable. They come and go. A star leaves, and another star arrives. Over 200 players were replaced following the last lockout, and nobody shed a single tear.
 
2012-10-26 09:56:02 AM

Resolute: And when push comes to shove, we pretty much all cheer for the logo, not the name bar. Players, despite their protests, are completely and totally replaceable. They come and go.


If you don't feel any sort of appreciation or connection with the players, you're a different kind of fan than I am. But it does appear you're in the majority. It seems most fans really do believe players are interchangeable cogs.
 
2012-10-26 09:58:17 AM

ytterbium: Well hello, Silvara!

I was fairly philosophical about the whole thing, until I told my son there was going to be no NHL season and he burst into tears. Then, I wanted to strangle people. We had a trip to see the Flyers vs. Blues planned for just us: we're actually going to some AHL, OHL and ECHL games instead. We're lucky to be in Michigan too, lots of good college hockey.

OT: Feel free to head to MI if you need a place to evacuate to for Sandy


Well hello there!

Yeah, I do imagine crying kids would probably make you a bit pissier about it. I guess the major only plus side to all this is the AHL and such are getting a great uptick in sales and attendance. Even with that, I'm not sure anyone really ever utters the words "we're lucky to be in Michigan." :P

If the season ever does happen, I'll be out to visit a friend in KC for some more tattooing and hopefully we'll get to take the 3 hr trek to St. Louis to see a game too. :) Saves me the trouble of having to actually go to St. Louis on my own. If it happens, I'll let you know, maybe we can meet up!
 
2012-10-26 10:00:29 AM

Resolute: Over 200 players were replaced following the last lockout, and nobody shed a single tear.


Well, no one in Buffalo anyways. Brett Hull only played a handful more games after the 2004-2005 lockout ended. But he still manages to trolololol away.

Happy Halloween.

l1.yimg.com
 
2012-10-26 10:10:43 AM
The NHL has reason to be worried. Unlike MLB, the NBA, and the NFL with respect to their next-closest competitors, the NHL isn't *that* far ahead of the KHL.

I'm sure someone at KHL headquarters is angling to have the Winter Classic, and possibly several games in the spring, played over here.

FWIW, I thought Phoenix had already been relocated .Will it be to Hamilton, Quebec City, or Seattle? Each have their pros and cons.

After Quebec City, you start dipping your foot into the sub-500,000 metro areas in Canada at least. In the US you in theory have Hartford, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Salt Lake City, Boise, Portland, and San Francisco that either have the size or are far north enough to in theory support hockey (nothing about the actual appearance of said support or the appearance of any ownership groups.)
 
2012-10-26 10:17:14 AM

ElwoodCuse: Doc Daneeka: Nah, the owners don't care that much about PR. They believe the fans will come back no matter what. They don't care about winning a PR battle. They just care about winning the CBA.

I like my theory better.

They went from "we don't negotiate in public" to "here's our entire offer"


And hiring a Republican political strategist. The idea that the NHL doesn't care about PR is so absurd you can't help but laugh at the person who said it.
 
2012-10-26 10:23:37 AM

Doc Daneeka: Nah, the owners don't care that much about PR. They believe the fans will come back no matter what. They don't care about winning a PR battle. They just care about winning the CBA.


Yanks_RSJ: The idea that the NHL doesn't care about PR is so absurd you can't help but laugh at the person who said it.


They care about the PR, if it can help them get a CBA they like. But generally I think they're counting on the fans coming back no matter what.
 
2012-10-26 10:27:17 AM

sigdiamond2000: Resolute: And when push comes to shove, we pretty much all cheer for the logo, not the name bar. Players, despite their protests, are completely and totally replaceable. They come and go.

If you don't feel any sort of appreciation or connection with the players, you're a different kind of fan than I am. But it does appear you're in the majority. It seems most fans really do believe players are interchangeable cogs.


Sure. I loved watching Lanny McDonald. And Theoren Fleury. And Jarome Iginla. I am, in fact, a huge hockey history geek. I know that Bill Cook scored the first goal in New York Rangers history. I know why Red Dutton told the NHL to take the New York Americans franchise and "shove it". I know about John Cullen's courageous comeback attempt that led to the NHL and NHLPA forming the Hockey Fights Cancer charity.

But don't kid yourself. I didn't stop being a Flames fan when Lanny retired or when Theo was traded. You didn't stop cheering for your team when your favourite player left either. Nor will I stop cheering when Iggy moves on. I will remember him fondly, but my focus will turn to Sven Baertschi. We all cheer for our stars and admire our fighters. The names are always changing, however. When one player goes, another takes his place. Hell, the NHL didn't even skip a beat when Sidney Crosby missed most of a year. Think about that.

Oh, and when Derek Roy Tweets pictures of his Ferrari, my sympathy level for the union's plight falls that much more.
 
2012-10-26 10:27:27 AM

stpickrell: The NHL has reason to be worried. Unlike MLB, the NBA, and the NFL with respect to their next-closest competitors, the NHL isn't *that* far ahead of the KHL.


If the new CBA cuts player salaries for which they already signed contracts, I think you're going to see an exodus to the KHL, particularly among European players.

What reason would they have to stay? Obviously the NHL will have shown that they don't have to honor contracts. You can count on Russian mafia money a lot more than you can count on NHL owners at this point.

Instead of trying to expand into the southern and western United States where no one gives a sh*t about hockey, the NHL should've gone to Europe. I said it years ago and I still say it. Too late now though. Bettman is prepared to see this thing through to destruction.
 
2012-10-26 10:31:50 AM

Galloping Galoshes: Doc Daneeka: Nah, the owners don't care that much about PR. They believe the fans will come back no matter what. They don't care about winning a PR battle. They just care about winning the CBA.

Yanks_RSJ: The idea that the NHL doesn't care about PR is so absurd you can't help but laugh at the person who said it.

They care about the PR, if it can help them get a CBA they like. But generally I think they're counting on the fans coming back no matter what.


Some people are so desperate to believe the players locked themselves out, they'll believe anything. I didn't tell Gary Bettman to talk about "record revenue" in every interview he gave in the last 3 years. And yeah, the fans probably will be back, but Luntz Global (the league's new PR firm) didn't bring in a focus group of fans for no reason.
 
2012-10-26 10:34:46 AM

Resolute: You didn't stop cheering for your team when your favourite player left either.


I stopped cheering for the Lions after Barry Sanders retired, after how his talent was taken advantage of by the organization. I haven't given a sh*t about them since. I actively root for them to lose and laugh when they do. They're dead to me.

Oh, and when Derek Roy Tweets pictures of his Ferrari, my sympathy level for the union's plight falls that much more.

You have more sympathy for the owners? Why?
 
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