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(BusinessWeek)   Microsoft's Surface tablet will fail because it lacks important apps ... like iTunes   (businessweek.com) divider line 169
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2012-10-26 01:50:34 PM  
Will it run the Zune software? That would help.
 
2012-10-26 02:10:33 PM  

Skarekrough: My boss is betting that within a year we will all be using Surface devices and will slowly be phasing out our desktops and laptops.

As the IT Manager for the place I'm stocking up on Pepto and bourbon.


Besides possibly a smaller screen, how exactly is a Surface any different than a laptop?

I guess specs would be lower... but most sales people don't need more than roughly tablet specs to get their job done.
 
2012-10-26 02:13:54 PM  

gingerjet: theflatline: And there is a difference between a text editor and a full blown IDE, which you have access to in need of an emergency fix.

Plus with HDMI out on the Surface you have HDMI out so you could literally plug a monitor in. And of course you can always use an external keyboard.

So advantage Surface.

How is it "advantage Surface" when you can do all those things with the iPad?


Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.
 
2012-10-26 02:19:03 PM  

burndtdan: I definitely think it's a step in a direction I like, but I'll pass for now. I do hope the market moves further into blending the lines between tablet and laptop, where basically the laptop is just a tablet that you've connected a keyboard to, and a tablet is just a full blown computer that is only a touch screen.


Kinda like the tablets from 10 years ago where you took a laptop and swiveled the screen...

But Microsoft invented those so it isn't cool.
 
2012-10-26 02:20:54 PM  

Bullseyed: Skarekrough: My boss is betting that within a year we will all be using Surface devices and will slowly be phasing out our desktops and laptops.

As the IT Manager for the place I'm stocking up on Pepto and bourbon.

Besides possibly a smaller screen, how exactly is a Surface any different than a laptop?

I guess specs would be lower... but most sales people don't need more than roughly tablet specs to get their job done.


We have support folks whose mantra has been "when you pry my second and third monitor out of my cold, dead hands."
 
2012-10-26 03:14:28 PM  

BullBearMS: Marine1: BullBearMS: Rambino: BullBearMS: It also lacks important apps like a decent e-mail client.

You mean other than Outlook?

Windows RT can't run Outlook.

It doesn't need to run Outlook. Outlook is gross overkill for 90% of people who use email on a tablet.

They offer one for installation. It has bugs, but they're bound to be fixed.

Now we're back to Windows RT Surface lacking a decent e-mail client. Just like the original Blackberry Playbook.


It gets the job done. Move on.

Got to (briefly) play with one my professor picked up... the researcher in me is getting a megaboner from the idea of having a tablet with access to the entire library of Windows drivers.
 
2012-10-26 03:54:18 PM  

Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.


Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.
 
2012-10-26 04:00:07 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.

Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.


Close enough. Those things are a dime a dozen.

I don't mind when adapters are cheap and easily found. Sometimes, designs require smaller ports. It's when they're $50 a piece (like Apple's) that I get pissed.
 
2012-10-26 04:34:28 PM  

Orgasmatron138: pkellmey: Orgasmatron138: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We'll just overlook the bigger issues: Microsoft, and Windows 8

The New York Times review of Windows 8 was.... unfavorable. It does sound like it sucks.

I've had some experience with it and you can get used to the changes pretty easily. For the most part, it is possible to treat it like Windows 7 with added features if you really want that experience.

The review was so bad it felt like it was going overboard; not surprised there's another side to the story.

I really like Windows 7, and I have no use for the tablet-like interface or myriad of apps on the screen. I hate a cluttered desktop, so the only thing I have on my desktop is the recycle bin. I either set up hotkey commands or use the start menu to open programs. I'll probably stick with 7 for now.


Ditto. I can't abide a cluttered desktop either, I just have a Favorites folder (upper left) and the Recycle bin (lower right), and that leaves lots of space for a nice artwork desktop picture.

All my most-used apps are pinned to the Quick Start bar at the bottom.
 
2012-10-27 03:27:19 PM  

Marine1: Mad_Radhu: Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.

Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.

Close enough. Those things are a dime a dozen.

I don't mind when adapters are cheap and easily found. Sometimes, designs require smaller ports. It's when they're $50 a piece (like Apple's) that I get pissed.


$50 a piece? really? $22.99
 
2012-10-27 04:31:31 PM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: Marine1: Mad_Radhu: Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.

Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.

Close enough. Those things are a dime a dozen.

I don't mind when adapters are cheap and easily found. Sometimes, designs require smaller ports. It's when they're $50 a piece (like Apple's) that I get pissed.

$50 a piece? really? $22.99


That is the old connector. The lightning one is (indeed) $50. Link
 
2012-10-27 06:49:42 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.

Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.


Took another gander at it... it's supposedly a Micro HDMI port.
 
2012-10-27 09:19:39 PM  

mjbok: TheGhostofFarkPast: Marine1: Mad_Radhu: Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.

Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.

Close enough. Those things are a dime a dozen.

I don't mind when adapters are cheap and easily found. Sometimes, designs require smaller ports. It's when they're $50 a piece (like Apple's) that I get pissed.

$50 a piece? really? $22.99

That is the old connector. The lightning one is (indeed) $50. Link


I understand that but not everyone has a brand new iPad, 99 percent of the population right now has the old one and will for awhile. Any just like the connector I posted the new one will drop in price as well.
 
2012-10-27 10:44:31 PM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: I understand that but not everyone has a brand new iPad, 99 percent of the population right now has the old one and will for awhile. Any just like the connector I posted the new one will drop in price as well.


True (regarding the old connector), but as I understand it the Lightning connector has a chip in it that Apple will not give out so there will be no third party connectors. I know the connector (that you linked) is from Apple, but I also know that the camera kit (USB and SD) that was released when the original iPad came out has not come down in price.
 
2012-10-28 02:58:37 PM  

mjbok: TheGhostofFarkPast: I understand that but not everyone has a brand new iPad, 99 percent of the population right now has the old one and will for awhile. Any just like the connector I posted the new one will drop in price as well.

True (regarding the old connector), but as I understand it the Lightning connector has a chip in it that Apple will not give out so there will be no third party connectors. I know the connector (that you linked) is from Apple, but I also know that the camera kit (USB and SD) that was released when the original iPad came out has not come down in price.

 

If you buy it from Apple, no the camera connection kit hasn't come down in price. That isn't your only option, however. There are lots of alternatives. Which makes it really disingenuous to compare the Apple pricing for the official accessories to pricing for generic Android or Windows accessories.

It remains to be seen what Apple's legal team does, but the Lightning connector chip was cracked in no time by the Chinese, so off-brand cables and connectors are at the very least going to show up in the gray market very soon.
 
2012-10-28 02:59:34 PM  

Marine1: Mad_Radhu: Bullseyed: Outside of the Apple Reality Distortion Field, where exactly is the HDMI port on the iPad?

Hint: there isn't one.

Where's the HDMI port on the Surface? From what I can see, it has an MHL port, which requires an adapter just like the iPad. Granted, it is a lot cheaper than the iPad dongle, but you can't just plug it in with a HDMI standard cable.

Took another gander at it... it's supposedly a Micro HDMI port.


Which still needs some sort of adapter or special cable. It's not like the HDMI port on my laptop.
 
2012-10-28 10:19:16 PM  

whistleridge: Also...AppleAndroid is a special case, because of the fanboy effect.


FTFY
 
2012-10-28 10:33:31 PM  

Honest Bender: BullBearMS: It also lacks important apps like a decent e-mail client. It's the 2012 version of the Blackberry Playbook.

Look, I know you're just an anti-MS troll, but I'll go ahead and bite anyway.

Who needs an email client? Webmail FTW.

/I don't think I've used a dedicated email client in... going on 15 years now.


So, because it works for you we all have to use it, right?
 
2012-10-28 10:41:45 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I just don't get the point of having Outlook or Thunderbird or any other mail client in Windows, anymore.


Another one trying to tell us what to do. I use Firebird and like it. My mail is on my system and backed up. It won't get accessed during the next big hack. Not like it matters but just because you don't see the point is not my problem.
 
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