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(NewsBusters)   "Shuck and jive" is only racist when conservatives say it. Thank you for your attention   (newsbusters.org) divider line 22
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2012-10-25 10:04:04 AM  
6 votes:
while talking to Rachel Maddow about her visit to Afghanistan, wondered, "What has it been like, as you shuck and jive, hang out with the men over there, the women over there, in uniform risking their lives every day?"

Yes, because language is completely neutral and not contextualized by its use in centuries of oppression. "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!"
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 10:02:55 AM  
5 votes:
Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 10:21:45 AM  
4 votes:

cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.


I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.
2012-10-25 02:37:39 PM  
2 votes:

ExpressPork: partisan222: yes, we saw him pile up lie after lie in an unapologetic and even dickish manner then whine when he got called on his proven lies.

And find me 5 Democratic Senators that believe something along the lines of 'rape babies are a gift from God." Maybe you can track down the 80 members of the House that Allen West says are communists and traitors.

you can't. and that's why you are wrong and should feel badly about yourself.

Ironically, lIberals are the ones who have so much to learn about tolerance.

You need to be more specific and cite examples when you make comically immature statements like "pile up lie after lie in a dickish manner".

If we're going to split hairs over this statement let's begin with exactly what Richard Mourdock (Indiana GOP Senate candidate) said:
"Life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen."

Mourdock's statement is completely asinine and Mourdock should apologize and duck out of the Senate race immediately. I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party. That would be a ridiculous assertion and I recognize that on my own because I'm not a partisan boob who let's the news make up my mind for me.


find me a Democrat who yelled at a Republican president in the middle of a State of the Union. You can't.

Find me a Democrat who accused over 80 members of the Republican Party as being communists and traitors. You can't.

I don't even know what the opposite of the rape babies argument is, but let's just say it's "forced abortions". Find me a current Democratic candidate running for office who has publically stated that women should have forced abortions with no exceptions, or a Democratic candidate who has stated that abortions can be reversed because the woman's body will just "shut that thing down". See, it's ridiculous because there just isn't anyone on the other side saying this kind of crazy. But with the Repubs it's not an isolated case, or a bunch of wackos from Arkansas who defend slavery (that's real too from the AK Reps), it is a national trend that goes from local and state politics all the way up to the national platform!

And Im not going to touch the Romney lies because it will take far too long to recount even a portion of his flip-flops and outright lies. Like I said, even Newt Gingrich flat out called him a liar and let's not forget Candy Crowley. But you know this.

So I stand by my words, you are wrong and you should feel terribly. I have no tolerance for propaganda of this sort, and no thinking person should either.
2012-10-25 02:18:56 PM  
2 votes:

MagnesDrachen: I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.


At this point I honestly think at least some of them do it so they can take the entirely predictable negative reaction and turn around and go on talk radio and their blogs and use it as "evidence" of just how victimized and downtrodden conservative white folk are by the media and minority groups.

It's all part of promulgating the "go out and be a culture warrior because you're under attack!" meme, and it's a tactic used by extremist groups and cults all over the world and throughout history.
2012-10-25 10:34:50 AM  
2 votes:
Is there anyone who actually likes Chris Matthews? I mean, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and never once have I or any of my comrade ever said, "I can't wait to find out what Chris Matthews says about this!" or "Did you see Chris Matthews last night?"

I think that guy is like the Chris Berman of MSNBC. They keep him around because they think he's indispensable, but in reality no one actually likes him.
2012-10-25 09:55:04 AM  
2 votes:
So this is the greenlight we are going with? Nice work, shiatheads.
2012-10-25 03:52:53 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: Same reason progressives and democratic socialists vote Democrat. The GOP doesn't totally reflect their values, but (in theory) they're much closer than the Democrats. And their disassociation is to point out that there are significant differences


I agree with your statement when it applies to true independents, libertarians etc. It definitely applies to me. I am proud to be voting Romney in this election.

Perhaps I didn't phrase my original question correctly. One can presume that there are a lot of people who really consider themselves republicans (whatever that means any more), but for one reason or another are forever reluctant to admit it.

My theory is that these people will never admit it out of fear of being labelled as "bigot", "fascist", "racist", "homophobe, etc etc etc. It's easier to dismiss these assumptions by labelling yourself as an Independant than to have ignorant people make judgments about your character completely based on your political party. Ironically the sames ones that preach "tolerance" are the same ones that are always passing judgment.
2012-10-25 02:02:50 PM  
1 votes:
I've never heard the phrase "shuck and jive". In the given context, I'm not really clear what it means. I guess it sounds "racist" because "jive" is also a word that can have a racial context (though I don't know if it really is inherently derogatory in any way).

But when has a conservative ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has ANYONE ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has anyone outside of this one incident ever used the phrase "shuck and jive"?
2012-10-25 01:51:13 PM  
1 votes:

MagnesDrachen: I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.


Because if they turn Democrats into people who accuse them of racism all the time, pretty soon everyone else stops caring. Like the boy who cried "Wolf", only the GOP is intentionally sending wolves to strafe the border and run home, having the kid cry "Wolf" and the villagers see nothing. Or Phineas & Ferb, only the GOP is P&F's shenanigans, the Dems are whatsherface and voters are the mom.
2012-10-25 01:51:02 PM  
1 votes:

ExpressPork: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahaha, some of those quotes come from GOP politicians that have won several elections. The remainders are from conservative media stooges that no one in the party would dare to cross.

In short, you're full of shiat.

You want to put the conservatives on the defense because you have nothing else left.


No, you're pretending that GOP policy isn't GOP policy because the nation is shunning it. You've got less than nothing.

The fine Americans of your party would be better off focusing their efforts on policy than playing this riduclous "gotcha" game all the time. More and more Americans are getting tired of it.

No, wrong again. Americans are tired of insane puritans telling them that rape is a good thing.


For the Average Independent or swing voter that is even remotely interested in politics. Their choices are a candidate who is pushing a plan for job growth, and a candidate whose biggest issues seem to be big bird, binders, and bayonets. I'm an Independant voter who has voted for both parties in the past and take it from me - for the last several weeks you've seen an implosion of the D party because of trivial bs like the "3 b's" and the statements by Chris Matthews are no exception.

That's cute. Learn how to spell Independent before claiming the mantle though, you GOP stooge.
2012-10-25 01:44:34 PM  
1 votes:
I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.
2012-10-25 01:39:51 PM  
1 votes:

ghare: kombat_unit: HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.

3/10. Incredibly large brush, should get at least 6 bites.


Yeah, it's only 9/10 conservatives. You know better, HWC


Or if Guilliani is involved, 9/11 conservatives.
2012-10-25 01:08:58 PM  
1 votes:
Cuomo: I'm sorry.
Palin: HE SAID IT, TOO!
2012-10-25 01:07:17 PM  
1 votes:
People use "chink in the armor" all the time...But people get all offended when we talk about Jeremy Lin's turnovers. I just don't get it.

Hey, being obtuse is fun!
2012-10-25 01:05:08 PM  
1 votes:

bdub77: I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.


Palin is most assuredly a giant racist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/palins-father-she-left-ha_n_ 3 81724.html

Palin, though notoriously ill-traveled outside the United States, did journey far to the first of the four colleges she attended, in Hawaii. She and a friend who went with her lasted only one semester. "Hawaii was a little too perfect," Palin writes. "Perpetual sunshine isn't necessarily conducive to serious academics for eighteen-year-old Alaska girls." Perhaps not. But Palin's father, Chuck Heath, gave a different account to Conroy and Walshe. According to him, the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: "They were a minority type thing and it wasn't glamorous, so she came home." In any case, Palin reports that she much preferred her last stop, the University of Idaho, "because it was much like Alaska yet still 'Outside.' "
2012-10-25 01:04:44 PM  
1 votes:
If the American right ever was actually forced to recognize the fact that their "BOF SIDSE SAEM" narrative is bullshiat, they would then also be forced to confront the fact that they're radical authoritarian nationalists and nothing else. Fascist trash.
2012-10-25 12:56:14 PM  
1 votes:
Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.
2012-10-25 12:55:08 PM  
1 votes:
There are many reasons to criticize Caribou Barbie, this isn't one of them.
2012-10-25 10:23:14 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.


Thank you for the elaboration. I am well known for being a moran so putting it in 1st grade terms is appreciated.
2012-10-25 10:23:13 AM  
1 votes:

cman: mahuika: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

That wasn't the point vbp was making. They were saying that in both situations, the person who is complaining is ignoring context and historical background of the word/phrase.

No, that wasnt what he was trying to say. He never once mentioned history or context


Excuse me? How is the person using the term NOT context? Dude, you are all over the map. Some days you can be reasonable and embarrassed by your party... and other days you side with Newsbusters in defending Sarah Palin over the use of "shuck and jive" to refer to Obama, while claiming that a hypothetical group of black people using the "n-word" lacks context.
2012-10-25 10:11:45 AM  
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