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2012-10-26 12:51:46 AM

Sybarite: while talking to Rachel Maddow about her visit to Afghanistan, wondered, "What has it been like, as you shuck and jive, hang out with the men over there, the women over there, in uniform risking their lives every day?"

Yes, because language is completely neutral and not contextualized by its use in centuries of oppression. "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!"


Context is often defined in the mind of the listener. Also, you do not have the Right to not be offended by something.
 
2012-10-26 12:53:17 AM

Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context


Eh? Would you mind explaining that?
 
2012-10-26 12:55:11 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context

Eh? Would you mind explaining that?


Link
 
2012-10-26 12:57:08 AM

vpb: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.


Hmmmmm.... just like in a certain other thread about getting tickets for learning while black. The article did not mention the race of the gang members and youths being ticketed - and all the Fark Liberals that were OUTRAGED at the police automatically assumed that the people in question were black.

So..... what's that about racism?

Also, I notice that no one has responded to my points in that thread. I guess they are too embarrassed.
 
2012-10-26 12:59:58 AM

Shostie: Diogenes: But, that's how the cracker crumbles.

As a European-American, I find that highly offensive.


As a Person of Pallor I find that highly offensive.
 
2012-10-26 01:02:40 AM

HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.


So are liberals. See a certain other thread about getting tickets for learning while black.
 
2012-10-26 01:05:48 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: If the American right ever was actually forced to recognize the fact that their "BOF SIDSE SAEM" narrative is bullshiat, they would then also be forced to confront the fact that they're radical authoritarian nationalists and nothing else. Fascist trash.


OK, it,s late and I've had too much to drink. What the fark does that mean?
 
2012-10-26 01:09:41 AM

ExpressPork: Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.

You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


We don't need none of that rational shiat here on Fark, boy! Ya HEAR?
 
2012-10-26 01:24:23 AM
I'd like to share an embarrassing moment. True story. This was around 1957, and I was about 8 years old. I'd found six kittens behind a dumpster in the alley behind our house while looking for stuff to furnish the fort that my best friend Kyle and I were building in the 3 foot space between our parent's two garages.

I took all the kittens home and cried and pouted until my parents agreed to let me keep them for "a while." One of the kittens was pure black, so of course (being a fount of creativity) I named him Blackie. My mom called her friends until all but Blackie was adopted out. Try as she would, she could not place him. So she called Animal Control. They sent an African-American employee out to the house to collect the kitten.

As the guy was leaving with the kitten cuddled in his arms I cried out "Bye, Blackie." My mother basically sank into the concrete with embarrassment. I was clueless until it was explained to me.
 
2012-10-26 01:27:49 AM

sprawl15: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context

Eh? Would you mind explaining that?

Link


I an well-aware of what a cargo cult is. Wrote a paper on it in college Anthropology. What I don't understand is that phrase: conservative cargo cult of context. It appears to be a liberal dog-whistle.
 
2012-10-26 01:35:27 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: sprawl15: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context

Eh? Would you mind explaining that?

Link

I an well-aware of what a cargo cult is. Wrote a paper on it in college Anthropology. What I don't understand is that phrase: conservative cargo cult of context. It appears to be a liberal dog-whistle.


Read down to the bottom of the article and the references to cargo cult science and cargo cult programming, and in general "used metaphorically to describe an attempt to recreate successful outcomes by replicating circumstances associated with those outcomes, although those circumstances are either unrelated to the causes of outcomes or insufficient to produce them by themselves." OK, Got it, never mind.

As I thought, a libbie dog whistle.
 
2012-10-26 06:42:51 PM
The racism of yesteryear has come full circle in our county. The entire world embraced our choice of a black President four years ago and most nations still support him. The fringe elements of bigotry have crept through into the mainstream once again with conservative mouthpieces planting the seeds of hate. The only doubt lies here at home rooting from bigotry. Watch the white hands paint Obama in Blackface at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html
 
2012-10-28 11:31:38 AM
Having looked up the origin of the term "shuck and jive" and what it means, I think it's only racist if said with racist intent.
 
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