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2012-10-25 09:55:04 AM
So this is the greenlight we are going with? Nice work, shiatheads.
 
2012-10-25 10:00:26 AM
Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 10:02:55 AM
Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.
 
2012-10-25 10:04:04 AM
while talking to Rachel Maddow about her visit to Afghanistan, wondered, "What has it been like, as you shuck and jive, hang out with the men over there, the women over there, in uniform risking their lives every day?"

Yes, because language is completely neutral and not contextualized by its use in centuries of oppression. "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!"
 
2012-10-25 10:05:28 AM

vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.


Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.
 
2012-10-25 10:06:47 AM
So how many hours of tape did they make a lowly intern go through to find an example of a dirty librul saying the same words?
 
2012-10-25 10:07:39 AM
www.blogcdn.com

Excuse me, stewardess, I speak jive.
 
2012-10-25 10:07:40 AM

cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.


That wasn't the point vbp was making. They were saying that in both situations, the person who is complaining is ignoring context and historical background of the word/phrase.
 
2012-10-25 10:08:24 AM

vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.


It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context
 
2012-10-25 10:09:08 AM

mahuika: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

That wasn't the point vbp was making. They were saying that in both situations, the person who is complaining is ignoring context and historical background of the word/phrase.


No, that wasnt what he was trying to say. He never once mentioned history or context
 
2012-10-25 10:09:56 AM
Oh, don't go so hard on Palin. She was just being an hysterical woman.
 
2012-10-25 10:11:00 AM

cman: Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....


Gotta agree. Sarah Palin is almost too stupid to be a racist. If she said it in a racist manner, it was mildly racist. Now if she had said something like "Obama's once again spear chucking at Libya" or something - that'd be a different story.

Gotta have something to biatch about people.
 
2012-10-25 10:11:45 AM
 
2012-10-25 10:20:03 AM

bdub77: cman: Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....

Gotta agree. Sarah Palin is almost too stupid to be a racist. If she said it in a racist manner, it was mildly racist. Now if she had said something like "Obama's once again spear chucking at Libya" or something - that'd be a different story.

Gotta have something to biatch about people.


Hmmm...true. There is the Palin Indeterminacy Factor.
 
2012-10-25 10:20:35 AM
And when you say jump, jive, and wail people call you Louis Prima.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 10:21:45 AM

cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.


I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.
 
2012-10-25 10:23:13 AM

cman: mahuika: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

That wasn't the point vbp was making. They were saying that in both situations, the person who is complaining is ignoring context and historical background of the word/phrase.

No, that wasnt what he was trying to say. He never once mentioned history or context


Excuse me? How is the person using the term NOT context? Dude, you are all over the map. Some days you can be reasonable and embarrassed by your party... and other days you side with Newsbusters in defending Sarah Palin over the use of "shuck and jive" to refer to Obama, while claiming that a hypothetical group of black people using the "n-word" lacks context.
 
2012-10-25 10:23:14 AM

vpb: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.


Thank you for the elaboration. I am well known for being a moran so putting it in 1st grade terms is appreciated.
 
2012-10-25 10:26:52 AM
Why are we attempting to have a real discussion about racism with NewBuster's tit-for-tat "you too!" games with MSNBC as our basis?
 
2012-10-25 10:28:16 AM
I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.

I love this:

"I've been known to use the phrase most often when chastising my daughter Piper to stop procrastinating and do her homework. As she is part Yup'ik Eskimo, I'm not sure if this term would be deemed offensive when it's directed at her or if it would be considered benign as in the case of Chris Matthews' use of it in reference to Rachel Maddow," Palin wrote. "Just to be careful, from now on I'll avoid using it with Piper, and I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and "when hell freezes over," as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family."

I guess Palin got an igloo's reception on that one. But I mean, let's face it, Obama pretty much Eskimo Pie'd the situation in Benghazi, right?

Seriously though, the media will use those terms when hell freezes over.
 
2012-10-25 10:30:39 AM
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2012-10-25 10:34:50 AM
Is there anyone who actually likes Chris Matthews? I mean, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and never once have I or any of my comrade ever said, "I can't wait to find out what Chris Matthews says about this!" or "Did you see Chris Matthews last night?"

I think that guy is like the Chris Berman of MSNBC. They keep him around because they think he's indispensable, but in reality no one actually likes him.
 
2012-10-25 10:36:38 AM

JerseyTim: Is there anyone who actually likes Chris Matthews? I mean, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and never once have I or any of my comrade ever said, "I can't wait to find out what Chris Matthews says about this!" or "Did you see Chris Matthews last night?"

I think that guy is like the Chris Berman of MSNBC. They keep him around because they think he's indispensable, but in reality no one actually likes him.


Not particularly. You have to sift through so much madness to find the occasional small nugget of worthwhile insight.
 
2012-10-25 10:38:02 AM

bdub77: I love this:

"I've been known to use the phrase most often when chastising my daughter Piper to stop procrastinating and do her homework. As she is part Yup'ik Eskimo, I'm not sure if this term would be deemed offensive when it's directed at her or if it would be considered benign as in the case of Chris Matthews' use of it in reference to Rachel Maddow," Palin wrote. "Just to be careful, from now on I'll avoid using it with Piper, and I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and "when hell freezes over," as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family."


Narwhal please.
 
2012-10-25 10:39:55 AM

dahmers love zombie: bdub77: I love this:

"I've been known to use the phrase most often when chastising my daughter Piper to stop procrastinating and do her homework. As she is part Yup'ik Eskimo, I'm not sure if this term would be deemed offensive when it's directed at her or if it would be considered benign as in the case of Chris Matthews' use of it in reference to Rachel Maddow," Palin wrote. "Just to be careful, from now on I'll avoid using it with Piper, and I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and "when hell freezes over," as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family."

Narwhal please.


It sure sounds like she'd do anything for a Klondike bar.
 
2012-10-25 10:41:04 AM
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2012-10-25 10:41:16 AM

bdub77: I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.


That doesn't even make sense. She's too stupid to be subtle, she's incapable of "dog whistle" politics. That's why she just blatantly said Obama pals around with terrorists, and wanted to push the Rev. Wright connection and said "don't retreat, reload". This fits perfectly with someone who can't tiptoe around edges with a nod and a wink.

It doesn't make her necessarily racist... but she is blatantly pandering to racists who hate Obama because Obama is part black.
 
2012-10-25 10:44:26 AM
But Matthews is just a good ol' boy, never meanin' no harm.
 
2012-10-25 10:45:34 AM

Dan the Schman: bdub77: I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.

That doesn't even make sense. She's too stupid to be subtle, she's incapable of "dog whistle" politics. That's why she just blatantly said Obama pals around with terrorists, and wanted to push the Rev. Wright connection and said "don't retreat, reload". This fits perfectly with someone who can't tiptoe around edges with a nod and a wink.

It doesn't make her necessarily racist... but she is blatantly pandering to racists who hate Obama because Obama is part black.


I see your point. Correction: Palin's too stupid to realize she's being offensive.
 
2012-10-25 10:45:48 AM
Brian Setzer did a whole song about this. No one called him racist.
 
2012-10-25 10:46:03 AM

Dan the Schman: bdub77: I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.

That doesn't even make sense. She's too stupid to be subtle, she's incapable of "dog whistle" politics. That's why she just blatantly said Obama pals around with terrorists, and wanted to push the Rev. Wright connection and said "don't retreat, reload". This fits perfectly with someone who can't tiptoe around edges with a nod and a wink.

It doesn't make her necessarily racist... but she is blatantly pandering to racists who hate Obama because Obama is part black.



Only part black???

That kind of talk will get you in trouble around here, cracker.
 
2012-10-25 10:50:42 AM

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Again, completely missing the point of context.

But, that's how the cracker crumbles. What can you do?
 
2012-10-25 10:51:28 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: So how many hours of tape did they make a lowly intern go through to find an example of a dirty librul saying the same words?


it was probably a 15 second visit to lexis nexis. it's a magical world we live in. context aside, this is a stupid thing to make hay over. and by "thing," i mean "sarah palin."
 
2012-10-25 10:57:03 AM

Diogenes: But, that's how the cracker crumbles.


As a European-American, I find that highly offensive.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 10:58:55 AM

cman: vpb: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.

Thank you for the elaboration. I am well known for being a moran so putting it in 1st grade terms is appreciated.


I thought it might help. You seemed to be having some difficulty.
 
2012-10-25 11:03:08 AM
"Half truths and side-stepping the issues" just isn't quite as catchy a phrase.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 11:11:30 AM

Amos Quito: [photo.goodreads.com image 257x400]

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Precisely my point.
 
2012-10-25 11:12:53 AM

brap: And when you say jump, jive, and wail people call you Louis Prima.


That's big, bad, and voodooish, Daddio.
 
2012-10-25 12:55:08 PM
There are many reasons to criticize Caribou Barbie, this isn't one of them.
 
2012-10-25 12:55:45 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-10-25 12:56:14 PM
Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.
 
2012-10-25 12:56:39 PM
The cry of the scoundrel caught in the act: "But EVERYBODY'S doing it!"
 
2012-10-25 12:56:43 PM
Attention shiathead conservatives:

con·text
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noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2.
the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
3.
Mycology . the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.
 
2012-10-25 12:57:53 PM
I though Shuck and Jive was Sly and the Family stone's best album.
 
2012-10-25 12:58:52 PM
I, for one, am glad someone at NewsBusters funded their Lexis Nexis subscription for another year.
 
2012-10-25 12:59:30 PM
Life is hard when you're obtuse.
 
2012-10-25 01:01:12 PM
I wonder if something was shucking and jiving up Matthews' leg as he said that.
 
2012-10-25 01:03:11 PM

JerseyTim: Is there anyone who actually likes Chris Matthews? I mean, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and never once have I or any of my comrade ever said, "I can't wait to find out what Chris Matthews says about this!" or "Did you see Chris Matthews last night?"

I think that guy is like the Chris Berman of MSNBC. They keep him around because they think he's indispensable, but in reality no one actually likes him.


I kind of like him, but only because he looks more and more haggard and broken as time goes on. I keep watching because one day he's going to be pulling his tie off, lighting up a smoke, and pouring himself a fifth shot of bourbon on camera, and it'll be awesome.
 
2012-10-25 01:03:32 PM
That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.
 
2012-10-25 01:04:44 PM
If the American right ever was actually forced to recognize the fact that their "BOF SIDSE SAEM" narrative is bullshiat, they would then also be forced to confront the fact that they're radical authoritarian nationalists and nothing else. Fascist trash.
 
2012-10-25 01:04:53 PM
This is not a difficult concept to grasp people.

You can't use words and phrases with an obvious negative history or connotation in a negative way.

That's it, simple stuff.
 
2012-10-25 01:04:57 PM

vpb: It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.


cman: Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.


Case in point...
 
2012-10-25 01:05:04 PM
This tar baby will stay with Palin for a long time.
 
2012-10-25 01:05:08 PM

bdub77: I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.


Palin is most assuredly a giant racist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/palins-father-she-left-ha_n_ 3 81724.html

Palin, though notoriously ill-traveled outside the United States, did journey far to the first of the four colleges she attended, in Hawaii. She and a friend who went with her lasted only one semester. "Hawaii was a little too perfect," Palin writes. "Perpetual sunshine isn't necessarily conducive to serious academics for eighteen-year-old Alaska girls." Perhaps not. But Palin's father, Chuck Heath, gave a different account to Conroy and Walshe. According to him, the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: "They were a minority type thing and it wasn't glamorous, so she came home." In any case, Palin reports that she much preferred her last stop, the University of Idaho, "because it was much like Alaska yet still 'Outside.' "
 
2012-10-25 01:05:51 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: If the American right ever was actually forced to recognize the fact that their "BOF SIDSE SAEM" narrative is bullshiat, they would then also be forced to confront the fact that they're radical authoritarian nationalists and nothing else. Fascist trash.


You forgot theocrats.
 
2012-10-25 01:05:59 PM

cman: Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.


Those sentences are missing a paragraph of exposition between them. Unless you intended to go with 'proof by juxtaposition'.
 
2012-10-25 01:06:59 PM

Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.


You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.
 
2012-10-25 01:07:17 PM
People use "chink in the armor" all the time...But people get all offended when we talk about Jeremy Lin's turnovers. I just don't get it.

Hey, being obtuse is fun!
 
2012-10-25 01:08:58 PM
Cuomo: I'm sorry.
Palin: HE SAID IT, TOO!
 
2012-10-25 01:09:28 PM
archive.mrc.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

"The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced.The FCC decided to eliminate the Doctrine in 1987

Coincidence? YOU DECIDE!
 
2012-10-25 01:09:31 PM

Shostie: Diogenes: But, that's how the cracker crumbles.

As a European-American, I find that highly offensive.


Wait. Hyphenated? Really?

Is that statement intended to be as un-waspish as it sounds?
 
2012-10-25 01:09:38 PM

ExpressPork: You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all.


So it's not Republican candidates for national offices that are saying these things? Good news.

These people clearly represent the majority of Republicans in their constituencies. They are mainstream, and you have only yourselves to blame. Deal with it.
 
2012-10-25 01:09:52 PM

ExpressPork: Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.

You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


Americans were being told he was a bumbling,lying,cheating incompitent because he is. Then he got on stage and BS'd his way through the debate and the morons ate it up. Please.
 
2012-10-25 01:10:18 PM
meh, I didn't know the etymology of the phrase. I willing to bet she really didn't either.
 
2012-10-25 01:10:28 PM
So when is Palin going to say anything about the outrage concerning Ann Coulter?

/rhetorical question -- it won't happen
 
2012-10-25 01:10:43 PM

ExpressPork: Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.

You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


What debates were you watching?

Cause that's what I saw from Romney....
He spent all three debates disavowing every policy position he had taken while repeating long debunked talking points and completely avoiding every opportunity to explain his plans as president.
 
2012-10-25 01:11:06 PM
Hey, Palin - go have a biatchfight with Ann Coulter over how retarded she's being. You two coonts have yourselves a good scratching, then cry over Oprah's newest schmaltzfest while spooning Haagen-Dazs into each others' assholes.

As soon as you remove your own head from your retarded, retarded vagina, we can have a less retarded discussion about hurtful words, you retard. Go full retard somewhere else, O Useless Seat-Filla from Twat-silla - we're all stocked up on "retarded shiat no one's following anymore" here.

// retard
// why do I have such a need to vent?
 
2012-10-25 01:11:13 PM
ExpressPork: Gibberish.

Right EP, both sides are bad. So vote Republican!

/Amirite?!
 
2012-10-25 01:11:23 PM
Shuck and jive?? I always thought of Obama as more of an Ethiopian Shim-Shammer

www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-10-25 01:11:37 PM
No subby.

Shuck and jive is always racist.

It's unacceptable for a newscaster to say it.

It's far more unacceptable for a VP candidate to say it. Especially when, instead of apologizing, she pulls the "But, mom, everyone else is a racist! Why can't I be a racist?"
 
2012-10-25 01:11:59 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: meh, I didn't know the etymology of the phrase. I willing to bet she really didn't either.


probably but this is gonna be a hellvua thread!
 
2012-10-25 01:12:02 PM
I agree: They shouldn't have used that phrase.

But I only say that because I had no idea what it meant until I googled it.
 
2012-10-25 01:13:33 PM

Dr Dreidel: Hey, Palin - go have a biatchfight with Ann Coulter over how retarded she's being. You two coonts have yourselves a good scratching, then cry over Oprah's newest schmaltzfest while spooning Haagen-Dazs into each others' assholes.

As soon as you remove your own head from your retarded, retarded vagina, we can have a less retarded discussion about hurtful words, you retard. Go full retard somewhere else, O Useless Seat-Filla from Twat-silla - we're all stocked up on "retarded shiat no one's following anymore" here.

// retard
// why do I have such a need to vent?


Bro, I told you to avoid the frijole burritos yesterday.

/What?
 
2012-10-25 01:14:22 PM

skullkrusher: Karma Curmudgeon: meh, I didn't know the etymology of the phrase. I willing to bet she really didn't either.

probably but this is gonna be a hellvua thread!


and I'm ok with that
 
2012-10-25 01:15:09 PM
cdn.bleacherreport.net

"I shucked that eight ways to Sunday."
 
2012-10-25 01:15:40 PM
www.irememberjfk.com
I'm shuckin and I'm jivin.
 
2012-10-25 01:17:16 PM

ExpressPork: Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


What? Seriously?

Citations needed. And nice logical fallacies.
 
2012-10-25 01:17:27 PM

Diogenes: Oh, don't go so hard on Palin. She was just being an hysterical woman.


Maybe she just needs a legitimate penising. And her Republican colleagues are just the guys to do it.
 
2012-10-25 01:17:41 PM

Dog Welder: So when is Palin going to say anything about the outrage concerning Ann Coulter?

/rhetorical question -- it won't happen


I can't believe you! That's the kind of language that got her in this mess to begin with, rhetord.
 
2012-10-25 01:17:57 PM
I take great pleasure in her slow slide to obscurity and how it must just chafe at her constantly to know that she's not just irrelevant, but now actively shunned by the conservatives. Her circle of admirers gets smaller by the day, so she redoubles her efforts to woo them back, screeching ever louder using the same buzzwords and hackneyed rhetoric that won them over in the first place, without even realizing that she's completely lost touch with what's going on today and everyone else has moved on. She's one of those people when after their 15 minutes of fame are up, they just don't know how to go back to their regular lives. You most often see it in child celebrities and the "winners" on reality shows, and the most common reaction from the public is merely pity and maybe a touch of relief that it's not us, followed by annoyance when they just...won't...go...away!

I'm pretty sure that if you were a producer of any kind of TV show (except maybe liberal news outlets), you could get her to appear on your show. Hell, she'd probably agree to it before you were done making your pitch.
 
2012-10-25 01:18:16 PM

mahuika: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

That wasn't the point vbp was making. They were saying that in both situations, the person who is complaining is ignoring context and historical background of the word/phrase.


The cornerstone of MOST arguments like this.
 
2012-10-25 01:19:00 PM
During her vice-presidential nomination speech at the Republican National Convention in 2008, Palin-whose 22-month-old son, Trig, has Down syndrome-vowed that "special-needs" families would "have a friend and advocate in the White House" if John McCain were elected. Link

I actually would have had an inkling of respect for the woman if post-2008 she would have gone on talk shows to discuss the struggles of raising a child with disabilities instead of spouting off on politics which she only understands in terms of buzz words.
 
2012-10-25 01:20:25 PM

ExpressPork: You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy.


Hahahaha, some of those quotes come from GOP politicians that have won several elections. The remainders are from conservative media stooges that no one in the party would dare to cross.

In short, you're full of shiat.
 
2012-10-25 01:21:24 PM
I've only heard the phrase a couple of times in my life, but never had anyone call "racism" because of it before....
 
2012-10-25 01:21:42 PM

Wendolyn the Wired: Cuomo: I'm sorry.
Palin: HE SAID IT, TOO!


Thissy that thissy!

Plus, as I said above, Palin is a VP candidate. She has to answer to a different set of rules of conduct than the son of a corrupt dago wop bastard democratic Governor.
 
2012-10-25 01:22:06 PM
She just be jawwin' bout our dancin'ist rape folk. Ain't no thang.
 
2012-10-25 01:24:08 PM
You people don't understand. She's white. She's entitled to be racist.
 
2012-10-25 01:25:00 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You people don't understand. She's white. She's entitled to be racist.


She's Republican. She's supposed to be racist.
 
2012-10-25 01:27:49 PM

bulldg4life: What debates were you watching?

Cause that's what I saw from Romney....
He spent all three debates disavowing every policy position he had taken while repeating long debunked talking points and completely avoiding every opportunity to explain his plans as president.


I was not arguing who was better in the debates, or who lied etc. I am making the case (as many liberals have as well) that America's opinion of Romney was largely and unfairly shaped by the media prior to the debates. The debates were really the first chance America had to see who Romney was without looking through the foggy lens of the msm. The poll #'s speak for themselves pre and post debate. You can call him a liar all you want, but you're only kidding yourself and being extraordinarily partisan when you call Romney a liar and pretend Obama is God's gift to politics.
 
2012-10-25 01:30:18 PM
It wasn't racist........it just came from a despicable source.
 
2012-10-25 01:30:31 PM
Republicans, lets make a deal. Stop being racists, associating with racists, or turning a blind eye to racism and we'll stop assuming that you meant things in the worst possible way. Agreed?
 
2012-10-25 01:31:03 PM
Here's the deal, guys. The Republican party often puts forth policies that are outright hostile towards racial minorities. This has lead to the perception that there are racists in the Republican party. As such, when Republicans say and do things that can be interpreted through a racial prism, they often ARE interpreted that way, because it conforms to preconceived notions about the Republican party.

If you stop engaging in the promotion of policy that is hostile towards minorities, eventually this perception goes away. In the end, it's all about policy.
 
2012-10-25 01:31:24 PM
I hope Romney, Turdblossom and the neo-cons are enjoying watching all this. Any time spent discussing Coulter or Palin or Akin is time spent not ragging on the war-mongering, misogynist Romney.
 
2012-10-25 01:34:23 PM

HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.


3/10. Incredibly large brush, should get at least 6 bites.
 
2012-10-25 01:35:18 PM
The right is trying to pass this off as some niggling political correctness.
 
2012-10-25 01:36:35 PM

ExpressPork: bulldg4life: What debates were you watching?

Cause that's what I saw from Romney....
He spent all three debates disavowing every policy position he had taken while repeating long debunked talking points and completely avoiding every opportunity to explain his plans as president.

I was not arguing who was better in the debates, or who lied etc. I am making the case (as many liberals have as well) that America's opinion of Romney was largely and unfairly shaped by the media prior to the debates. The debates were really the first chance America had to see who Romney was without looking through the foggy lens of the msm. The poll #'s speak for themselves pre and post debate. You can call him a liar all you want, but you're only kidding yourself and being extraordinarily partisan when you call Romney a liar and pretend Obama is God's gift to politics.


Tell you what: The Venn diagram of Willard "Mitt" Romney and liar resembles that of London Bridge and Arizona.
In my experience, the only people calling President Obama a messiah are sarcastic right-wing morans, and 'lefties' trolling or parodying right-wing morans.

The post-debate polls reflect the fact that the president failed to call Mitt on his lies in the first debate when he should have.

/I'll bet you I'm four for four.
 
2012-10-25 01:36:42 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I hope Romney, Turdblossom and the neo-cons are enjoying watching all this. Any time spent discussing Coulter or Palin or Akin is time spent not ragging on the war-mongering, misogynist Romney.


Uh. Maybe I could have chosen a different word there. Sorry.

/how about "shucking and jiving" instead?
 
2012-10-25 01:38:24 PM

kombat_unit: HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.

3/10. Incredibly large brush, should get at least 6 bites.



Yeah, it's only 9/10 conservatives. You know better, HWC
 
2012-10-25 01:39:10 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Hahahaha, some of those quotes come from GOP politicians that have won several elections. The remainders are from conservative media stooges that no one in the party would dare to cross.

In short, you're full of shiat.


You want to put the conservatives on the defense because you have nothing else left.
The fine Americans of your party would be better off focusing their efforts on policy than playing this riduclous "gotcha" game all the time. More and more Americans are getting tired of it. Whether Mitt's "5-point-plan" is complete BS or not, at least it's a plan.

For the Average Independent or swing voter that is even remotely interested in politics. Their choices are a candidate who is pushing a plan for job growth, and a candidate whose biggest issues seem to be big bird, binders, and bayonets. I'm an Independant voter who has voted for both parties in the past and take it from me - for the last several weeks you've seen an implosion of the D party because of trivial bs like the "3 b's" and the statements by Chris Matthews are no exception.
 
2012-10-25 01:39:51 PM

ghare: kombat_unit: HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.

3/10. Incredibly large brush, should get at least 6 bites.


Yeah, it's only 9/10 conservatives. You know better, HWC


Or if Guilliani is involved, 9/11 conservatives.
 
2012-10-25 01:40:59 PM

JerseyTim: Is there anyone who actually likes Chris Matthews? I mean, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and never once have I or any of my comrade ever said, "I can't wait to find out what Chris Matthews says about this!" or "Did you see Chris Matthews last night?"

I think that guy is like the Chris Berman of MSNBC. They keep him around because they think he's indispensable, but in reality no one actually likes him.


No one likes Tweety. He was all over Bush's dick during the lead-up to Iraq and only switched when MSNBC was taking its left turn around '06-07 in order to keep his job. When Palin's first tweet used Matthews as an example, I knew she had no leg to stand on.
 
2012-10-25 01:43:01 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: In my experience, the only people calling President Obama a messiah are sarcastic right-wing morans, and 'lefties' trolling or parodying right-wing morans.


wait... so you're saying that the True Believers don't insult themselves by using the "Messiah" label to describe Obama and that it is used only by those attempting to mock those True Believers? Mind blown.
 
2012-10-25 01:43:35 PM

Sybarite: while talking to Rachel Maddow about her visit to Afghanistan, wondered, "What has it been like, as you shuck and jive, hang out with the men over there, the women over there, in uniform risking their lives every day?"

Yes, because language is completely neutral and not contextualized by its use in centuries of oppression. "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!"


It's okay to say, they are taking it back...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-25 01:43:49 PM

zarberg: ghare: kombat_unit: HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.

3/10. Incredibly large brush, should get at least 6 bites.


Yeah, it's only 9/10 conservatives. You know better, HWC

Or if Guilliani is involved, 9/11 conservatives.


0.81818181818181818181818181818182
 
2012-10-25 01:44:34 PM
I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.
 
2012-10-25 01:46:51 PM

ExpressPork: Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.

You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


yes, we saw him pile up lie after lie in an unapologetic and even dickish manner then whine when he got called on his proven lies.

And find me 5 Democratic Senators that believe something along the lines of 'rape babies are a gift from God." Maybe you can track down the 80 members of the House that Allen West says are communists and traitors.

you can't. and that's why you are wrong and should feel badly about yourself.
 
2012-10-25 01:48:27 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: the only people calling President Obama a messiah are sarcastic right-wing morans, and 'lefties' trolling or parodying right-wing morans.


You may not say it outright, but it's evident every day through the overall reactions to him that many on the left feel this way. It's like you're all afraid to criticize him and he can do no wrong. I don't even know where to begin as there is so much evidence of this.

Look at the Obama circle-jerk thread about his appearance on Letterman from earlier today on this very site. The Obajma worship is an embarrassment. It would be comical if it weren't so frightening. It's a like a cult. He is a farking politican you partisan boobs.

Imagine if Banghazi had happened under Bush. Can you all take the blinders off for a second and just imagine the rage if Benghazi had happened under GW?

What happened to all those war protests? Under Bush there was a new one every weekend. You guys get bored w it or what? I noticed the moment BO took office you guys put all your anti-war signs away. I could go on and on.

Those are some very small examples of the big picture. I could go on and on.
 
2012-10-25 01:49:31 PM

ExpressPork: bulldg4life: What debates were you watching?

Cause that's what I saw from Romney....
He spent all three debates disavowing every policy position he had taken while repeating long debunked talking points and completely avoiding every opportunity to explain his plans as president.

I was not arguing who was better in the debates, or who lied etc. I am making the case (as many liberals have as well) that America's opinion of Romney was largely and unfairly shaped by the media prior to the debates. The debates were really the first chance America had to see who Romney was without looking through the foggy lens of the msm. The poll #'s speak for themselves pre and post debate. You can call him a liar all you want, but you're only kidding yourself and being extraordinarily partisan when you call Romney a liar and pretend Obama is God's gift to politics.


or the sixteen million Republican debates where Mitt Romney... wait for it... lied his ass off on TV again and again and again to the point that even Newt Gingrich called him on it.

if you are a troll, you need more humor, but I fear you are serious and so... you are wrong and should feel badly about yourself.
 
2012-10-25 01:49:58 PM
Mathews still has a job?
 
2012-10-25 01:51:02 PM

ExpressPork: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahaha, some of those quotes come from GOP politicians that have won several elections. The remainders are from conservative media stooges that no one in the party would dare to cross.

In short, you're full of shiat.

You want to put the conservatives on the defense because you have nothing else left.


No, you're pretending that GOP policy isn't GOP policy because the nation is shunning it. You've got less than nothing.

The fine Americans of your party would be better off focusing their efforts on policy than playing this riduclous "gotcha" game all the time. More and more Americans are getting tired of it.

No, wrong again. Americans are tired of insane puritans telling them that rape is a good thing.


For the Average Independent or swing voter that is even remotely interested in politics. Their choices are a candidate who is pushing a plan for job growth, and a candidate whose biggest issues seem to be big bird, binders, and bayonets. I'm an Independant voter who has voted for both parties in the past and take it from me - for the last several weeks you've seen an implosion of the D party because of trivial bs like the "3 b's" and the statements by Chris Matthews are no exception.

That's cute. Learn how to spell Independent before claiming the mantle though, you GOP stooge.
 
2012-10-25 01:51:04 PM

ExpressPork: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahaha, some of those quotes come from GOP politicians that have won several elections. The remainders are from conservative media stooges that no one in the party would dare to cross.

In short, you're full of shiat.

You want to put the conservatives on the defense because you have nothing else left.
The fine Americans of your party would be better off focusing their efforts on policy than playing this riduclous "gotcha" game all the time. More and more Americans are getting tired of it. Whether Mitt's "5-point-plan" is complete BS or not, at least it's a plan.

For the Average Independent or swing voter that is even remotely interested in politics. Their choices are a candidate who is pushing a plan for job growth, and a candidate whose biggest issues seem to be big bird, binders, and bayonets. I'm an Independant voter who has voted for both parties in the past and take it from me - for the last several weeks you've seen an implosion of the D party because of trivial bs like the "3 b's" and the statements by Chris Matthews are no exception.


Let me help you parse the 3b's and what they symbolize:

Big Bird: His big action plan to save the failing economy - to cut funding to something that represents the smallest of fractions in cost.
Binders: His inability to connect with the women of America.
Bayonets: His complete failure in knowing what is going on with the world and how it has changed since 1920.

To you they are just words, but there is deep meaning within them and the fact they each because the top Google searches within minutes illustrates this.
 
2012-10-25 01:51:13 PM

MagnesDrachen: I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.


Because if they turn Democrats into people who accuse them of racism all the time, pretty soon everyone else stops caring. Like the boy who cried "Wolf", only the GOP is intentionally sending wolves to strafe the border and run home, having the kid cry "Wolf" and the villagers see nothing. Or Phineas & Ferb, only the GOP is P&F's shenanigans, the Dems are whatsherface and voters are the mom.
 
2012-10-25 01:51:14 PM

ExpressPork: Imagine if Banghazi had happened under Bush. Can you all take the blinders off for a second and just imagine the rage if Benghazi had happened under GW?


I know, if only there had been a Sept. 11 terror attack on Bush's watch where more than 4 Americans were killed. You know how much Democrats would try to blame him for it, and how Bush would hold himself accountable for...
 
2012-10-25 01:51:37 PM
Why does that M*A*S*H episode where the crazy general says, "but first, a number" then starts singing,
"When the sun goes down, the tide goes out,
The people gather 'round and they all begin to shout,
"Hey! Hey! Uncle Dud,
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi Mud.
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi Mud"

keep running through my head?
 
2012-10-25 01:52:32 PM
blogs.guardian.co.uk

These "men" are responsible.
 
2012-10-25 01:53:40 PM

cman: Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....


no.
it's not who says or doesn't say it, it's who they say it about.

sybarite: "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!" 

Please don't try to pretend you don't understand the difference.
 
2012-10-25 01:54:00 PM

ExpressPork: Imagine if Banghazi had happened under Bush. Can you all take the blinders off for a second and just imagine the rage if Benghazi had happened under GW?


US Embassies were attacked 12 times during Bush. It's a statement to his other colossal foreign policy failures that they were barely worthy of mention in contrast, meanwhile a statement to Obama's success that this is a "scandal".
 
2012-10-25 01:54:30 PM

cman: Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....


Really? According to the article, Mathews (who is a jerk for countless other reasons) used the term to describe how Rachel Maddow was hanging out with soldiers in Afghanistan. Sarah Palin was not using it to describe someone hanging out with soldiers. She was using it to describe the preseident talking to crowds of people. Do you honestly think they were using it the same way, and, therefore, both sides are equally bad? Really?
 
2012-10-25 01:55:17 PM

ExpressPork: bulldg4life: What debates were you watching?

Cause that's what I saw from Romney....
He spent all three debates disavowing every policy position he had taken while repeating long debunked talking points and completely avoiding every opportunity to explain his plans as president.

I was not arguing who was better in the debates, or who lied etc. I am making the case (as many liberals have as well) that America's opinion of Romney was largely and unfairly shaped by the media prior to the debates. The debates were really the first chance America had to see who Romney was without looking through the foggy lens of the msm. The poll #'s speak for themselves pre and post debate. You can call him a liar all you want, but you're only kidding yourself and being extraordinarily partisan when you call Romney a liar and pretend Obama is God's gift to politics.


I am partisan. but also, no one here is saying Obama's shiat don't stink. But Romney is most definitely a liar. To the point that he's pathological and is showing signs of mental disorder.

Also, I suffered in MA under him until I finally left. I've even met him. He's like a shark with the lifeless eyes and insatiable urge to kill and devour, except he's not as good at it. And he is no where near as graceful. So I guess he's not like a shark then. He's just a liar and an ass.

And he is reviled across the state of MA where the people really did try him out, hoping for something different and something workable. But they got a Republican instead.
 
2012-10-25 01:56:33 PM

Shostie: Brian Setzer did a whole song about this. No one called him racist.


jump and jive.

but yeah, yer close there.
 
2012-10-25 01:58:37 PM

ExpressPork: demaL-demaL-yeH: the only people calling President Obama a messiah are sarcastic right-wing morans, and 'lefties' trolling or parodying right-wing morans.

You may not say it outright, but it's evident every day through the overall reactions to him that many on the left feel this way. It's like you're all afraid to criticize him and he can do no wrong. I don't even know where to begin as there is so much evidence of this.



The United States hasn't had anything resembling a 'left' since Eugene V. Debs was a presidential candidate.


Look at the Obama circle-jerk thread about his appearance on Letterman from earlier today on this very site. The Obajma worship is an embarrassment. It would be comical if it weren't so frightening. It's a like a cult. He is a farking politican you partisan boobs.

Has anybody said otherwise? *checks profile* Hoosier? You shouldn't be talking about partisan moobs.


Imagine if Banghazi had happened under Bush. Can you all take the blinders off for a second and just imagine the rage if Benghazi had happened under GW?

9/11, anybody?


What happened to all those war protests? Under Bush there was a new one every weekend. You guys get bored w it or what? I noticed the moment BO took office you guys put all your anti-war signs away. I could go on and on.

Those are some very small examples of the big picture. I could go on and on.


Code Pi...
Hold on.
Wait a sec, there.

Hey farkdom!

Speedy Unkosher here is bringing poeslaw to the thread potluck.


/Jerk. Now how will I get rid of this farking cabbage?
 
2012-10-25 02:02:21 PM

partisan222: yes, we saw him pile up lie after lie in an unapologetic and even dickish manner then whine when he got called on his proven lies.

And find me 5 Democratic Senators that believe something along the lines of 'rape babies are a gift from God." Maybe you can track down the 80 members of the House that Allen West says are communists and traitors.

you can't. and that's why you are wrong and should feel badly about yourself.


Ironically, lIberals are the ones who have so much to learn about tolerance.

You need to be more specific and cite examples when you make comically immature statements like "pile up lie after lie in a dickish manner".

If we're going to split hairs over this statement let's begin with exactly what Richard Mourdock (Indiana GOP Senate candidate) said:
"Life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen."

Mourdock's statement is completely asinine and Mourdock should apologize and duck out of the Senate race immediately. I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party. That would be a ridiculous assertion and I recognize that on my own because I'm not a partisan boob who let's the news make up my mind for me.
 
2012-10-25 02:02:27 PM

CPennypacker: Attention shiathead conservatives:

con·text
/ˈkɒntɛkst/ Show Spelled[kon-tekst] Show IPA
noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2.
the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
3.
Mycology . the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.


wha?
 
2012-10-25 02:02:47 PM
wth does s&j mean anyways... let me check the urban dictionary, brb
 
2012-10-25 02:02:50 PM
I've never heard the phrase "shuck and jive". In the given context, I'm not really clear what it means. I guess it sounds "racist" because "jive" is also a word that can have a racial context (though I don't know if it really is inherently derogatory in any way).

But when has a conservative ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has ANYONE ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has anyone outside of this one incident ever used the phrase "shuck and jive"?
 
2012-10-25 02:04:09 PM

Shostie: Diogenes: But, that's how the cracker crumbles.

As a European-American, I find that highly offensive.


which is why i now refer to myself as far-western-asian-american. Ther are no insults directed at FWAEs, so far as i know.

/Look at a map, europe is just a fat peninsula off the main continent.
 
2012-10-25 02:04:29 PM

urbangirl: CPennypacker: Attention shiathead conservatives:

con·text
/ˈkɒntɛkst/ Show Spelled[kon-tekst] Show IPA
noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2.
the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
3.
Mycology . the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.

wha?


I'm saying Christ Matthews is a mushroom cap.
 
2012-10-25 02:05:09 PM
www.bamco.com

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-10-25 02:06:41 PM

burndtdan: I've never heard the phrase "shuck and jive". In the given context, I'm not really clear what it means. I guess it sounds "racist" because "jive" is also a word that can have a racial context (though I don't know if it really is inherently derogatory in any way).

But when has a conservative ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has ANYONE ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has anyone outside of this one incident ever used the phrase "shuck and jive"?


You're not from the South are you.
 
2012-10-25 02:06:53 PM
People and organizations that have been regularly shown to be racist and bigoted in the past, and more likely to be scrutinized over potentially racist and bigoted statements that people and organizations that don't have a history of racist and bigoted statements. Shocking, unless you have more than the mental capacity of a Republican.
 
2012-10-25 02:06:56 PM

GranoblasticMan: Dog Welder: So when is Palin going to say anything about the outrage concerning Ann Coulter?

/rhetorical question -- it won't happen

I can't believe you! That's the kind of language that got her in this mess to begin with, rhetord.


omg so heh,
 
2012-10-25 02:08:05 PM

burndtdan: I've never heard the phrase "shuck and jive". In the given context, I'm not really clear what it means. I guess it sounds "racist" because "jive" is also a word that can have a racial context (though I don't know if it really is inherently derogatory in any way).

But when has a conservative ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has ANYONE ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has anyone outside of this one incident ever used the phrase "shuck and jive"?


One of my NCOs.

/He was 6'5" and darker than the president.
//And he hated practicing for that change of command ceremony as much as I hated the incoming commander who demanded it.
 
kab
2012-10-25 02:11:07 PM
Aaaaand you can tell that this election cycle has pretty much exhausted all talking points, since now we're bickering about how words are belittling depending on who says it.

And focusing on someone entirely irrelevant to current politics.
 
2012-10-25 02:13:14 PM

ExpressPork: I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party.


Part of the GOP platform is no abortion exceptions for the victims of rape.
 
2012-10-25 02:15:15 PM
If conservatives spent just a little more of their time and energy trying to keep from saying or doing racist things rather than complaining about being called out for it they would be much happier in the end.
 
2012-10-25 02:16:00 PM

HotWingConspiracy: ExpressPork: I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party.

Part of the GOP platform is no abortion exceptions for the victims of rape.


This right here. I'd have more respect for everyone labeling themselves "independent" "libertarian" or "fiscal conservative" if they bothered to hold the religious whackos' feet to the fire.
 
2012-10-25 02:16:16 PM

ExpressPork: demaL-demaL-yeH: the only people calling President Obama a messiah are sarcastic right-wing morans, and 'lefties' trolling or parodying right-wing morans.

You may not say it outright, but it's evident every day through the overall reactions to him that many on the left feel this way. It's like you're all afraid to criticize him and he can do no wrong. I don't even know where to begin as there is so much evidence of this.

Imagine if Banghazi had happened under Bush. Can you all take the blinders off for a second and just imagine the rage if Benghazi had happened under GW?

Dude. Really?
9/11 and the Iraq war happened under bush.
I can't believe you're really stupid enough to go there.

 
2012-10-25 02:17:48 PM

burndtdan: I've never heard the phrase "shuck and jive". In the given context, I'm not really clear what it means. I guess it sounds "racist" because "jive" is also a word that can have a racial context (though I don't know if it really is inherently derogatory in any way).

But when has a conservative ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has ANYONE ever been called racist for saying "shuck and jive"? When has anyone outside of this one incident ever used the phrase "shuck and jive"?


Translation:

I'm not very well read or familiar with American history, therefore anyone using a implicitly racist phrase I've never heard of should be granted immunity. I also have a hard time understanding how language evolves and what a word means today might not be what it meant 150 years ago. Context is hard for people like me, because I have no cultural literacy, so I tend to simply hide behind simplistic analysis that only frames things in terms I'm familiar with and ignores the rest.

AKA "I'm just asking questions here."
 
2012-10-25 02:18:56 PM

MagnesDrachen: I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.


At this point I honestly think at least some of them do it so they can take the entirely predictable negative reaction and turn around and go on talk radio and their blogs and use it as "evidence" of just how victimized and downtrodden conservative white folk are by the media and minority groups.

It's all part of promulgating the "go out and be a culture warrior because you're under attack!" meme, and it's a tactic used by extremist groups and cults all over the world and throughout history.
 
2012-10-25 02:19:18 PM

CPennypacker: urbangirl: CPennypacker: Attention shiathead conservatives:

con·text
/ˈkɒntɛkst/ Show Spelled[kon-tekst] Show IPA
noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2.
the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
3.
Mycology . the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.

wha?

I'm saying Christ Matthews is a mushroom cap.


Oh. Yeah. Well, everybody knows that.
 
2012-10-25 02:20:37 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I've only heard the phrase a couple of times in my life, but never had anyone call "racism" because of it before....


The problem is that it's a dog whistle term in the Southern US.

It's like how the phrase "bless your heart" might sound innocuous to most English speakers but in the Southern United States it clearly means, "Go f*ck yourself".

In the South, "shuck and jive" means "black people being lazy and criminal".

Which is a *problem* when you're addressing a national audience.

/the Southern US: ruining it for the rest of us since 1789
 
2012-10-25 02:21:16 PM
Using the term is not automatically racist.

One thing that totally confuses these people (yes, I did say "these people") is that context is necessary in understanding these things. Intent is key, although it doesn't always explain away use or reaction.

But those things require 1) having an ear for situation and dialogue, and 2) often knowing something of the culture and people involved.

Because they do not know black people or the culture and have absolutely no ear for the situation, they are completely confused about why, say, they don't get to spew around a term like "shucking and jiving" just wily-nily, and others do. They get upset because of freedom or something.

This is why we roll our eyes at them.
 
2012-10-25 02:21:22 PM

partisan222: And he is reviled across the state of MA where the people really did try him out, hoping for something different and something workable. But they got a Republican instead.


We didn't even get a Republican... We got an Empty Suit, who ignored parts of the state (my neck of the woods, The South Coast, particularly) and spent most of his time gearing up to run for president.

He certainly wasn't the bipartisan executive who improved the state he's trying to portray himself as now, that's for sure...
 
2012-10-25 02:22:01 PM

Prospero424: MagnesDrachen: I just don't understand what the right THINKS is going to happen when they seemingly fo out of their way to bring up old racist terms to describe something that a modern pejorotive could do just as well. Why the "re-nig" bumper sticker? Why the Curious George Obama shirt? The "tar baby" comment? It's like they're looking for racist things to say, that only occur in racist context, and then are surprised when someone actually calls them out on it. It's classless to say the least.

At this point I honestly think at least some of them do it so they can take the entirely predictable negative reaction and turn around and go on talk radio and their blogs and use it as "evidence" of just how victimized and downtrodden conservative white folk are by the media and minority groups.

It's all part of promulgating the "go out and be a culture warrior because you're under attack!" meme, and it's a tactic used by extremist groups and cults all over the world and throughout history.


Um well, yes, that is what they do. You can just stay pissed off, scared and outraged all the time without constant conditioning to feel that way. That's why these yahoos flock to this media in the first place. They want to be spoonfed bullsh*t and coddled, and feel like they're special, and the world is wrong and they are right. Hence why being a Rush fan is about two steps down from being an Art Bell fan.
 
2012-10-25 02:23:33 PM
*Can't stay pissed off all the time, is what I intended to write.
 
2012-10-25 02:24:00 PM

verbaltoxin: HotWingConspiracy: ExpressPork: I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party.

Part of the GOP platform is no abortion exceptions for the victims of rape.

This right here. I'd have more respect for everyone labeling themselves "independent" "libertarian" or "fiscal conservative" if they bothered to hold the religious whackos' feet to the fire.


I promise the Dems are guilty of pandering to religion as well. Furthermore, none of you said a gd thing when this happened and it was completeley absent from the news.

I do wish that Republicans weren't so busy catering to religious whackos all the time. I will say that I do try to do my part. As I am in the music business most of my friends and colleagues are very Liberal, but I do have a few very conservative friends as well. When discussing politics I find that they agree that it would be positive for the right to divorce itself from religion more, sadly in the world we live in currently for either party to divorce itself from God or Jeebus would be political suicide and they both know it (see above link if you don't believe me).

I don't look down upon anyone with religious views but I certainly agree our country would be healthier if it stayed out of politics. In Indiana for years we couldn't buy beer on Sundays for chrissakes...I mean that's just farking wrong.
 
2012-10-25 02:26:26 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-25 02:27:02 PM
Well that makes it okay then!
 
2012-10-25 02:28:47 PM
I don't know what you're talkng about....

shucknjive.com
 
2012-10-25 02:31:45 PM
The Wiki makes the dog whistle more notable:

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a southern American slang term for the behavior of joking and acting facetiously. More generally, the term can also refer to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authoritative figure.[1] Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment. Shuckin' and Jivin': Folklore from Contemporary Black Americans (ISBN 0-253-20265-5) is the name of a book written by Daryl Cumber Dance in 1981. In 1972, the Johnny Lewis Quartet record a soul jazz LP called Shuckin' 'N Jivin' .[2] "Shuckin and Jivin" is also the title of a song by the Osmonds 1971[3]
The term is also used in the Southern United States referring to deceit or mischief involving lies


The bold is mine. This gets to the intent of the usage.
 
2012-10-25 02:31:48 PM

ExpressPork: verbaltoxin: HotWingConspiracy: ExpressPork: I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party.

Part of the GOP platform is no abortion exceptions for the victims of rape.

This right here. I'd have more respect for everyone labeling themselves "independent" "libertarian" or "fiscal conservative" if they bothered to hold the religious whackos' feet to the fire.

I promise the Dems are guilty of pandering to religion as well.


Tell us how a party platform isn't representative of the entire party.

Furthermore, none of you said a gd thing when this happened and it was completeley absent from the news.

Google will most certainly disagree with you.
 
2012-10-25 02:35:53 PM
"Shuck and jive"

Isn't that the name of an oyster bar where they play soul music?

Or where black people process freshly harvested corn?

///which one of these crosses the line?

///whoops
 
2012-10-25 02:37:39 PM

ExpressPork: partisan222: yes, we saw him pile up lie after lie in an unapologetic and even dickish manner then whine when he got called on his proven lies.

And find me 5 Democratic Senators that believe something along the lines of 'rape babies are a gift from God." Maybe you can track down the 80 members of the House that Allen West says are communists and traitors.

you can't. and that's why you are wrong and should feel badly about yourself.

Ironically, lIberals are the ones who have so much to learn about tolerance.

You need to be more specific and cite examples when you make comically immature statements like "pile up lie after lie in a dickish manner".

If we're going to split hairs over this statement let's begin with exactly what Richard Mourdock (Indiana GOP Senate candidate) said:
"Life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen."

Mourdock's statement is completely asinine and Mourdock should apologize and duck out of the Senate race immediately. I think that he was maybe trying to make a different point, but I'm not obtuse enough to think that this statement is representative of the entire Republican party. That would be a ridiculous assertion and I recognize that on my own because I'm not a partisan boob who let's the news make up my mind for me.


find me a Democrat who yelled at a Republican president in the middle of a State of the Union. You can't.

Find me a Democrat who accused over 80 members of the Republican Party as being communists and traitors. You can't.

I don't even know what the opposite of the rape babies argument is, but let's just say it's "forced abortions". Find me a current Democratic candidate running for office who has publically stated that women should have forced abortions with no exceptions, or a Democratic candidate who has stated that abortions can be reversed because the woman's body will just "shut that thing down". See, it's ridiculous because there just isn't anyone on the other side saying this kind of crazy. But with the Repubs it's not an isolated case, or a bunch of wackos from Arkansas who defend slavery (that's real too from the AK Reps), it is a national trend that goes from local and state politics all the way up to the national platform!

And Im not going to touch the Romney lies because it will take far too long to recount even a portion of his flip-flops and outright lies. Like I said, even Newt Gingrich flat out called him a liar and let's not forget Candy Crowley. But you know this.

So I stand by my words, you are wrong and you should feel terribly. I have no tolerance for propaganda of this sort, and no thinking person should either.
 
2012-10-25 02:46:00 PM

ExpressPork: Imagine if Banghazi had happened under Bush. Can you all take the blinders off for a second and just imagine the rage if Benghazi had happened under GW?


June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomat

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb. One killed and 13 wounded.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

So yeah, you do have to imagine the rage from the liberals and the media, because there was none. But this one single attack in Libya? We've been hearing the wailing and gnashing of teeth from Fox News and right wing politicians for weeks. So please, do us all a favor and shut your pie hole about things you are clearly ignorant of.

ExpressPork: Look at the Obama circle-jerk thread about his appearance on Letterman from earlier today on this very site. The Obajma worship is an embarrassment. It would be comical if it weren't so frightening. It's a like a cult. He is a farking politican you partisan boobs.


Oh, I didn't realize that you were just trolling. Carry on
 
2012-10-25 02:48:30 PM
gracelessland.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-25 02:49:32 PM

ExpressPork: I am making the case (as many liberals have as well) that America's opinion of Romney was largely and unfairly shaped by the media prior to the debates.


I have to agree, Fox oversold this guy relentlessly.
 
2012-10-25 02:50:47 PM

Disposable Rob:

You're not from the South are you.


Yes, actually I am.

JerkStore: Translation:

I'm not very well read or familiar with American history, therefore anyone using a implicitly racist phrase I've never heard of should be granted immunity. I also have a hard time understanding how language evolves and what a word means today might not be what it meant 150 years ago. Context is hard for people like me, because I have no cultural literacy, so I tend to simply hide behind simplistic analysis that only frames things in terms I'm familiar with and ignores the rest.

AKA "I'm just asking questions here."


I've never heard this phrase in my life, although I am from the south and have had more than my share of interactions with racists in my life. My grandfather would drop the n-bomb all the time like it was nothing. I am very well read and familiar with American history, though it's certainly possible that one single particular aspect of a particular subset of that history could easily escape me.

Or, translation of your post: I like making broad generalizations about things with little or no context or knowledge, while ironically accusing someone of doing just that.

And an aside, your point that language evolves and word meanings change would seem to logically weaken the argument that a word must be offensive because it was offensive 150 years ago. Although that's not a point I personally would make, you weaken your own argument by saying it)
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 02:51:16 PM

ExpressPork: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahaha, some of those quotes come from GOP politicians that have won several elections. The remainders are from conservative media stooges that no one in the party would dare to cross.

In short, you're full of shiat.

You want to put the conservatives on the defense because you have nothing else left.
The fine Americans of your party would be better off focusing their efforts on policy than playing this riduclous "gotcha" game all the time. More and more Americans are getting tired of it. Whether Mitt's "5-point-plan" is complete BS or not, at least it's a plan.

For the Average Independent or swing voter that is even remotely interested in politics. Their choices are a candidate who is pushing a plan for job growth, and a candidate whose biggest issues seem to be big bird, binders, and bayonets. I'm an Independant voter who has voted for both parties in the past and take it from me - for the last several weeks you've seen an implosion of the D party because of trivial bs like the "3 b's" and the statements by Chris Matthews are no exception.


It's cute how you guys live in your own little world where you no news reaches you except what you want to hear. I wish I could watch your breakdown when the "unskewed polls" turn out to have been as accurate as anything in the right wingnutosphere.
 
2012-10-25 02:51:45 PM

madgonad: The Wiki makes the dog whistle more notable:

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a southern American slang term for the behavior of joking and acting facetiously. More generally, the term can also refer to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authoritative figure.[1] Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment. Shuckin' and Jivin': Folklore from Contemporary Black Americans (ISBN 0-253-20265-5) is the name of a book written by Daryl Cumber Dance in 1981. In 1972, the Johnny Lewis Quartet record a soul jazz LP called Shuckin' 'N Jivin' .[2] "Shuckin and Jivin" is also the title of a song by the Osmonds 1971[3]
The term is also used in the Southern United States referring to deceit or mischief involving lies

The bold is mine. This gets to the intent of the usage.


Yeah...you cut out the [citation needed] portion.

But ignoring that - note that it says "Southern United States." I wonder what other...peculiar things were prevalent in the South when that saying came about...

Nah...it can't be a reference to African-Americans deceving their masters. Must be some innocent explanation.

Yeah, I'm sure Sarah Palin uses the term CONSTANTLY in her normal life. She just so happened to use it to refer to a president who just so happens to be African-American.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 02:55:39 PM
www.plunderbund.com
 
2012-10-25 03:00:42 PM

partisan222: find me a Democrat who yelled at a Republican president in the middle of a State of the Union. You can't.


This is such an oddly specific scenario.

Find me a Democrat who accused over 80 members of the Republican Party as being communists and traitors. You can't.

Again, you are framing this argument based on specific incidents. It would be as though I said "Find me a Republican who dressed up in a ridiculous tiger suit." Or find me a Republican politician who voted twice. You can't. See what I mean?

I will paraphrase the rest of your "argument" for you by highlighting what I believe to be the most important part.

I don't even know what the opposite of the rape babies argument is, but let's just say it's "forced abortions". Find me a current Democratic candidate running for office who has publically stated that women should have forced abortions with no exceptions, or a Democratic candidate who has stated that abortions can be reversed because the woman's body will just "shut that thing down". See, it's ridiculous because there just isn't anyone on the other side saying this kind of crazy. But with the Repubs it's not an isolated case, or a bunch of wackos from Arkansas who defend slavery (that's real too from the AK Reps), it is a national trend that goes from local and state politics all the way up to the national platform!

And Im not going to touch the Romney lies because it will take far too long to recount even a portion of his flip-flops and outright lies. Like I said, even Newt Gingrich flat out called him a liar and let's not forget Candy Crowley. But you know this.

So I stand by my words, you are wrong and you should feel terribly. I have no tolerance for propaganda of this sort, and no thinking person should either.
 

Bringing up such oddly specific incidents with disgraced/resigned politicians only serves to distract from real issues. It's unhealthy for either side to do it. You are all so focused on the moral implications of Mitt Romney's favorite book or some other trivial nonsense that you completely miss the big picture. And.....what was it you said to me earlier? Maybe you are a bad person who should feel badly about yourself. 

Just kidding I have no ill-will towards you and I don't want you to feel bad.
 
2012-10-25 03:02:30 PM

Dr Dreidel: while spooning Haagen-Dazs into each others' assholes.


Jesus, you mean all these years I've been eating it wrong? How embarrassing!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 03:04:56 PM

madgonad: The Wiki makes the dog whistle more notable:

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a southern American slang term for the behavior of joking and acting facetiously. More generally, the term can also refer to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authoritative figure.[1] Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment. Shuckin' and Jivin': Folklore from Contemporary Black Americans (ISBN 0-253-20265-5) is the name of a book written by Daryl Cumber Dance in 1981. In 1972, the Johnny Lewis Quartet record a soul jazz LP called Shuckin' 'N Jivin' .[2] "Shuckin and Jivin" is also the title of a song by the Osmonds 1971[3]
The term is also used in the Southern United States referring to deceit or mischief involving lies

The bold is mine. This gets to the intent of the usage.


Yes, we also have a term for:
improvised solution: ******-rigged.
a cane fussing pole: ******-pole.
a night stick : ****** knocker.

Nothing racist about any of those. (hint ****** is the same word in each).
 
2012-10-25 03:05:41 PM

ExpressPork: Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.

You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


One has to look no futher than thier party platform which has institutionalized bigotry agaist gay people as a plank to see they are bigots. The people that support them are complicit in this bigotry if not vocally, tacitly. If they were really serious about proving they aren't bigots then maybe the "mainstream of the Republican Party" ought to speak up before their leaders try to push thier radical agenda without thier consent.

But we both know thats not going to happen becuase Republicans are either complicite or complete farking idiots.
 
2012-10-25 03:11:14 PM

ExpressPork:

You want to put the conservatives on the defense because you have nothing else left.
The fine Americans of your party would be better off focusing their efforts on policy than playing this riduclous "gotcha" game all the time. More and more Americans are getting tired of it. Whether Mitt's "5-point-plan" is complete BS or not, at least it's a plan.

For the Average Independent or swing voter that is even remotely interested in politics. Their choices are a candidate who is pushing a plan for job growth, and a candidate whose biggest issues seem to be big bird, binders, and bayonets. I'm an Independant voter who has voted for both parties in the past and take it from me - for the last several weeks you've seen an implosion of the D party because of trivial bs like the "3 b's" and the statements by Chris Matthews are no exception.


i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-25 03:13:31 PM

vpb: madgonad: The Wiki makes the dog whistle more notable:

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a southern American slang term for the behavior of joking and acting facetiously. More generally, the term can also refer to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authoritative figure.[1] Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment. Shuckin' and Jivin': Folklore from Contemporary Black Americans (ISBN 0-253-20265-5) is the name of a book written by Daryl Cumber Dance in 1981. In 1972, the Johnny Lewis Quartet record a soul jazz LP called Shuckin' 'N Jivin' .[2] "Shuckin and Jivin" is also the title of a song by the Osmonds 1971[3]
The term is also used in the Southern United States referring to deceit or mischief involving lies

The bold is mine. This gets to the intent of the usage.

Yes, we also have a term for:
improvised solution: ******-rigged.
a cane fussing pole: ******-pole.
a night stick : ****** knocker.

Nothing racist about any of those. (hint ****** is the same word in each).


What's cane fussing?

Not a threadjack, just curious.
 
2012-10-25 03:15:38 PM

vpb: It's cute how you guys live in your own little world where you no news reaches you except what you want to hear. I wish I could watch your breakdown when the "unskewed polls" turn out to have been as accurate as anything in the right wingnutosphere.


Do you have a direct response to anything I said? I don't understand how what you said even remotely is related to my comment.

Let's ignore the non-sequitur for the moment and I'll directly address your comment anyway.

I watch MSNBC. I watch Fox News. I watch CNN. I watch all of them because i enjoy taking the nation's political pulse every once in while and contrast what the talking heads are discussing. I'm not afraid of what one side or the other has to say. The differences in the way the news is covered are remarkable, but I'm never afraid to listen to one talking head or another because of what they are saying. I'm betting that you could not say the same.

Every poll in the country has Obama losing ground to Romney in every demographic for the last 3 weeks - more specifically since the first debate. Invariably. Every one. So I must ask, where are you getting your information? Exclusively from The Daily Show and Fark greenlights? I think maybe you're the one that needs to get out of the "nut-o-sphere" as you called it.

What polls are you referring to specifically and are you implying that I would assert that those polls are unskewed(?) or that I would assert that they are inaccurate? Or are you saying that the (un)skewed polls are (in)accurate? Please be more articulate in your response so that I can formulate a proper response.
 
2012-10-25 03:17:48 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Oh, I didn't realize that you were just trolling. Carry on


Oh I didn't realize you had nothing to refute my argument so you resort to accusing me of being a troll. Gee whiz, I guess you win this round!

Carry on.
 
2012-10-25 03:23:22 PM

Maud Dib:

[i865.photobucket.com image 360x450]


I know the image is meant as a joke, but it does make an interesting point about Ind voters.

Why would a self-identified "Independent" or "Libertarian" tend to vote Republican? Or, to put it another way, why would Republican voters wish to disassociate themselves from the Republican party.  I have an answer but I will anxiously await some responses first.
 
2012-10-25 03:24:51 PM
i always assumed it meant that a person was speaking circumlocuriotously.
 
2012-10-25 03:27:40 PM

colon_pow: i always assumed it meant that a person was speaking circumlocuriotously.


shuck and jive is definately easier to spell...
 
2012-10-25 03:29:25 PM

ExpressPork: Why would a self-identified "Independent" or "Libertarian" tend to vote Republican?


Same reason progressives and democratic socialists vote Democrat. The GOP doesn't totally reflect their values, but (in theory) they're much closer than the Democrats. And their disassociation is to point out that there are significant differences; a progressive who is going to vote for Obama will note that they are a progressive and disagree with drone warfare despite their party affiliation.

The GOP also has a tendency to claim a 'big tent' set of ideas (again, in theory), such that being near libertarian or christian conservative or neocon are all considered within the same set of ideas. Liberals don't have that homogeneity; Greens are proud of their subculture while neocons just claim to be Republicans.
 
2012-10-25 03:31:51 PM

ExpressPork: Or, to put it another way, why would Republican voters wish to disassociate themselves from the Republican party.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-25 03:44:45 PM
'Shuck and jive'? This is an actual phrase with meaning? o.O

/I feel like I'm talking to my grandparents all of a sudden...
 
2012-10-25 03:46:51 PM
That's because only Republicans consistently use it in a racist context.
 
2012-10-25 03:52:53 PM

sprawl15: Same reason progressives and democratic socialists vote Democrat. The GOP doesn't totally reflect their values, but (in theory) they're much closer than the Democrats. And their disassociation is to point out that there are significant differences


I agree with your statement when it applies to true independents, libertarians etc. It definitely applies to me. I am proud to be voting Romney in this election.

Perhaps I didn't phrase my original question correctly. One can presume that there are a lot of people who really consider themselves republicans (whatever that means any more), but for one reason or another are forever reluctant to admit it.

My theory is that these people will never admit it out of fear of being labelled as "bigot", "fascist", "racist", "homophobe, etc etc etc. It's easier to dismiss these assumptions by labelling yourself as an Independant than to have ignorant people make judgments about your character completely based on your political party. Ironically the sames ones that preach "tolerance" are the same ones that are always passing judgment.
 
2012-10-25 03:56:10 PM

ExpressPork: Or, to put it another way, why would Republican voters wish to disassociate themselves from the Republican party.


graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-10-25 03:58:33 PM

ExpressPork: Or, to put it another way, why would Republican voters wish to disassociate themselves from the Republican party.


wallstcheatsheet.com
 
2012-10-25 04:00:52 PM
I'm not from the south, but I have heard the term from time to time, not in a racist context though. A friend of mine, a very hard working jazz/latin musician in NYC uses "shuck and jive" to refer to the BS that permeates academia, especially in the realm of jazz education. He's white but then again he's been hanging in a racial melting pot for 40 years.

So I don't know.

/not a Fark Independent, btw.
 
2012-10-25 04:12:19 PM

ExpressPork: My theory is that these people will never admit it out of fear of being labelled as "bigot", "fascist", "racist", "homophobe, etc etc etc.


Notice how the problem you're talking about has escalated significantly with the tea party and the evangelist Christians taking a leadership role? They work directly contrary to a lot of aspects of conservatism. Reaganites could play nice with Libertarians, but neither can play well with the tea party. It's offsetting.

ExpressPork: I am proud to be voting Romney in this election.


ew

ExpressPork: It's easier to dismiss these assumptions by labelling yourself as an Independant than to have ignorant people make judgments about your character completely based on your political party


Well, a big problem now is that party is tied ridiculously strongly to identity in the rhetoric. Either you are a Republican or you hate America and furthermore communism. Either you are a Democrat or you are racist teabagger. With that kind of hard duality to the rhetoric, there absolutely is a judgment of character based on vocal assertion of what party someone is. Particularly among those who are on the right, because of the intense nationalism; someone with a PROUD TO BE A REPUBLICAN bumper sticker is a far right nutball 99 times out of 100.
 
2012-10-25 04:17:29 PM

ExpressPork:
Every poll in the country has Obama losing ground to Romney in every demographic for the last 3 weeks - more specifically since the first debate. Invariably. Every one.


images.sodahead.com

graphics8.nytimes.com

Now I know you're trollin'.

img48.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-25 04:27:53 PM

ExpressPork: sprawl15: Same reason progressives and democratic socialists vote Democrat. The GOP doesn't totally reflect their values, but (in theory) they're much closer than the Democrats. And their disassociation is to point out that there are significant differences

I agree with your statement when it applies to true independents, libertarians etc. It definitely applies to me. I am proud to be voting Romney in this election.

Perhaps I didn't phrase my original question correctly. One can presume that there are a lot of people who really consider themselves republicans (whatever that means any more), but for one reason or another are forever reluctant to admit it.

My theory is that these people will never admit it out of fear of being labelled as "bigot", "fascist", "racist", "homophobe, etc etc etc. It's easier to dismiss these assumptions by labelling yourself as an Independant than to have ignorant people make judgments about your character completely based on your political party. Ironically the sames ones that preach "tolerance" are the same ones that are always passing judgment.


Not sure why you bother its not possible to have a rational conversation here anymore unless you agree with every single Dem/Liberal/Obama talking point, you are immediately attacked/insulted/dismissed as clearly a racist/idiot/teabagger. The only reason to hang around anymore is in the slim hope that this community will one day get over the partisanship that pervades politics and go back to being what it was before it was decided on both sides of the spectrum that if you did not agree with them you were unpatriotic/cowardly/racist/teabagger/etc.
 
2012-10-25 04:33:31 PM

cman: Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....


From Yahoo News:

As Politico points out, this isn't the first time the phrase has come up and inspired controversy. Several years ago, Andrew Cuomo, then New York's Attorney General, used the expression while campaigning for Hillary Rodham Clinton. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," Cuomo said. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

Cuomo was promptly blasted by CNN's Roland Martin, who wrote: "'Shucking and jiving' have long been words used as a negative assessment of African Americans, along the lines of a 'foot shufflin' Negro.' In fact, I don't recall ever hearing the phrase used in reference to anyone white."

Cuomo is, to my knowledge, a Democrat.

Of course, we're still waiting for Palin to criticize ANY Republican who refers to Democrats as 'retards'. After attacking Rahm Emmanuel for saying it, she gave Rush Limbaugh a pass because he was being 'satirical'. And I'm guessing she hasn't said anything about Coulter.
 
2012-10-25 04:38:07 PM
Bullshiat. I got called out the other day for saying that Bill Maher saying "retard' is equally as offensive as Ms. Coulter. And when Chris Mathews says " shuck and jive" or Maddow says "Shuck and jive" it is equally offensive, but when the freaking GOP says it, the response is but.... but..... Mathews and Maddow said it. I want to be snarky, but please reevaluate your position. You are justifying your racist statement by saying, "but they said it too, waH"
 
2012-10-25 04:57:56 PM

sprawl15: Notice how the problem you're talking about has escalated significantly with the tea party and the evangelist Christians taking a leadership role? They work directly contrary to a lot of aspects of conservatism. Reaganites could play nice with Libertarians, but neither can play well with the tea party. It's offsetting.


First of all, thank you for the thoughtful & respectful response.

I disagree. The basic tenets of the "tea party" are and (as far as I know always been) quite simply less-Government, lower taxes. I have never found there to be any evidence that they were "racists" save when people on forums such as this one parrot the accusations of others that they are all crazy, or racists.
You can post all the "lol" pics of grannies wearing tea-bags on their hats and we can all have a giggle about how "lame" they are but there's nothing ethically wrong with being lame. Furthermore there isn't anything ethically wrong with wanting lower taxes and less government. The tea party has been demonized since it's beginning because the Dems are scared of it. It's easier to be dismissive and call someone a racist than to argue policy.

You mentioned Christians "taking a leadership role" and I don't think their influence has changed at all. If anything it has lessened. Proof of this can be seen with the legalization of gay marriage in more and more states. As an agnostic I don't like being force-fed Christian-specific beliefs any more than you probably do but I believe that save for their views on homosexuality Christian values are generally good ones. And that's not even to say that all Christians have a problem with homosexuality, gay marriage, et al. Christianity is actually much more "tolerant" (today) than almost any other religion. Is there a religion in the modern world that approves of homosexuality? Buddhism maybe? Sadly, half of the religions in this world would probably burn you alive for it.

ew

Look at Obama's economic stats. You can't defend those numbers. They are absolutely beyond disgraceful. You get a big fat "EW" right back at ya for voting for that monument of domestic fail. The economy should be the single most important issue in this election because a failed economy renders every other issue moot. If we're all penniless and starving then it will no longer matter whether gays can marry or we're making windmill-powered cars.
 
2012-10-25 04:58:18 PM
www.damnthatsracist.com 

/oblig
//If you can get away with saying it in the middle of a crowd of black people, have fun
///wear sneakers for better traction on the escape
 
2012-10-25 05:07:12 PM

Maud Dib: Now I know you're trollin'.


Since yesterday? Wow.

If you are so completely unaware of Romney's recent surge in the polls since the first debate then just use google. It's not a Republican or Fox News lie or whatever. Its a fact. He has been having a massive surge among the general polls and every demographic. I can't believe I'm even dignifying your comment with a rebuttal but here ya go, if you're really living under a rock, here's one article to support my wildly unfounded clain that Romney has been steadily gaining in poll numbers:

New York Times article posted two hours ago: Has Romney's Rise in Polls Stopped?

"Romney's Rise in Polls"
Hmmmm....I wonder what they're implying with that phrase.....?
 
2012-10-25 05:09:49 PM

JerseyTim: Is there anyone who actually likes Chris Matthews? I mean, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and never once have I or any of my comrade ever said, "I can't wait to find out what Chris Matthews says about this!" or "Did you see Chris Matthews last night?"

I think that guy is like the Chris Berman of MSNBC. They keep him around because they think he's indispensable, but in reality no one actually likes him.


A most relevant and awesome comparison.

/jib
//newsletter
 
2012-10-25 05:16:28 PM

ExpressPork: Look at Obama's economic stats. You can't defend those numbers. They are absolutely beyond disgraceful.


So you're saying we're worse off than in 2008?
 
2012-10-25 05:17:48 PM

Nunya_Bizness: Not sure why you bother its not possible to have a rational conversation here anymore unless you agree with every single Dem/Liberal/Obama talking point, you are immediately attacked/insulted/dismissed as clearly a racist/idiot/teabagger. The only reason to hang around anymore is in the slim hope that this community will one day get over the partisanship that pervades politics and go back to being what it was before it was decided on both sides of the spectrum that if you did not agree with them you were unpatriotic/cowardly/racist/teabagger/etc.


Whoa. Thanks man. I know its futile but I must continue to fight to regain sanity.
I was away from fark for a while but I remember the community back in the day being way cool. Not at all like this. Any opposing view point here is completely shunned. It's totally depressing.
 
2012-10-25 05:21:18 PM

cman: Not a fan of NB, but they do kinda have a point....


Yeah, you have a whole lot more reputation rehabilitation to do before you can start concern trolling like that.

Good try, though.
 
2012-10-25 05:23:05 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: meh, I didn't know the etymology of the phrase. I willing to bet she really didn't either.



Same here.  However... RE: my posting the Willie and Waylon album cover.  "Mr. Shuck and Jive" is a Jimmy Webb song covered by many including W&W and Art Garfunkel.  I grew up loving that song.  How is that not racist, if these other mentions of it are?  I see no evidence of controversy with that song.
 
2012-10-25 05:26:59 PM

ExpressPork: Furthermore there isn't anything ethically wrong with wanting lower taxes and less government. The tea party has been demonized since it's beginning because the Dems are scared of it.


No, the problem with the tea party - and I'm talking of the movement post being coopted by Fox, not the near libertarians they used to be - is that they're inconsistent and silly in their application of their beliefs. The most obvious examples are of course the silly signs like KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE. But that's just a symptom, there's a fundamental disconnect in terms of belief and justification for that belief. I can explain exactly why I feel the way I do about, say, the health care bill. But in a lot of cases, they've taken positions that can otherwise be valid for totally invalid reasons. I signed up on a throwaway e-mail account to a tea party site a long time ago to troll (never got around to it), and the flood of e-mails I received were all just totally and completely unabashed in their fear-based tactics. It was never, "Here's the details of this situation", it was just straight, "OBAMA BAD".

If you want to disagree with me on something, that's fine. I can sit down and argue my position, and you can argue yours, and we can see eye to eye even if we don't agree and move on. But that only works if both parties come to the argument with consistent logic; if you're against obamacare because socialism and then against cuts to medicaid because That's Important, it's a logical disconnect. If you're consistent in believing the government shouldn't have anything to do with people's health care, then that's fine. If you're consistent in believing the government should completely run it, that's fine. But people pick and choose what they're willing to let slide based on their political beliefs - their partisan nature defines the possibilities they allow themselves to consider.

And when you mention 'ethical wrongness', that's where I disagree. It's absolutely ethically wrong to impose governance when you have no idea why you believe what you believe. And that's the fundamental problem with the far right, which has been catered to significantly. I can look at Obama's big policy papers, his $5 trillion in deficit reduction, and call that bullshiat because he provided the numbers and I can clearly see where he includes extant laws in his calculations of effect of proposed plans. I can say that because he's laid out very clearly what he wants to do. With Romney, his five point plan is explained by a long paper that spends 6 of 8 pages either complaining about Obama or in an appendix, with the two remaining pages of actual policy having nothing to do with his five point plan.

That, to me, is ethically wrong. I could agree entirely with Romney's conclusions, but it's absolutely critical that the method be capable. Without sound methodology, it's just bullshiat.

ExpressPork: You mentioned Christians "taking a leadership role" and I don't think their influence has changed at all.


It absolutely has. There has been a massive influx on religious morality being imposed on others - something that works against the idea of even basic constitutional principles. The argument isn't so much that Christianity is bad, it's that the enforcement of even otherwise good laws on other people on a religious basis is bad. If we want to make gay marriage illegal, then there needs to be a solid secular reason for it. And in that case it's pretty obvious, but on legislation across the board, from people voting against climate change legislation because they believe God would not let humans fark up the world, to people like that asshole saying rape babies are a gift from God, they are letting their religious fervor impose itself on their legislation.

In previous generations of Republicans, religion wasn't kept far from the heart, but there was at least a nominal separation. They had to have a logical basis to support their arguments. They had think tanks and intellectuals and policy papers and other things to support their beliefs - something tangible that you could disagree with. You can't disagree with or argue against a position that essentially boils down to Because America, or Because Jesus.

ExpressPork: Look at Obama's economic stats.


This is exactly the problem. You assume that I'm super pro-Obama based solely on my dislike for Romney, and instead of justifying your own position, you go on the attack. Attack is worthless. Politics is - or should be, rather - about finding the right decision, not about fending off the wrong decisions. It's not a binary world out there. You'd be best off disavowing yourself of that preconception.
 
2012-10-25 05:42:18 PM

bdub77: Dan the Schman: bdub77: I'm really gonna have to go with Palin's too stupid to be offensive.

That doesn't even make sense. She's too stupid to be subtle, she's incapable of "dog whistle" politics. That's why she just blatantly said Obama pals around with terrorists, and wanted to push the Rev. Wright connection and said "don't retreat, reload". This fits perfectly with someone who can't tiptoe around edges with a nod and a wink.

It doesn't make her necessarily racist... but she is blatantly pandering to racists who hate Obama because Obama is part black.

I see your point. Correction: Palin's too stupid to realize she's being offensive.


She needs to not worry her purty li′l head about such men′s matters.
 
2012-10-25 05:54:47 PM

Sybarite: while talking to Rachel Maddow about her visit to Afghanistan, wondered, "What has it been like, as you shuck and jive, hang out with the men over there, the women over there, in uniform risking their lives every day?"

Yes, because language is completely neutral and not contextualized by its use in centuries of oppression. "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!"


How do you breathe while you're sleeping?
 
2012-10-25 06:00:38 PM
"I've never heard this phrase used in a racist way!"

N = 1.
 
2012-10-25 06:43:51 PM
NewsBusters is only retarded when people with IQs above 80 read it
 
2012-10-25 08:15:41 PM

ExpressPork: My theory is that these people will never admit it out of fear of being labelled as "bigot", "fascist", "racist", "homophobe, etc etc etc. It's easier to dismiss these assumptions by labelling yourself as an Independant than to have ignorant people make judgments about your character completely based on your political party.


Which is mostly why Fark Independents and Libertarians are such a joke: "I'm different; you can't box me in!"

Uh, okay, so you don't condone bigoted Republicans but you endorse them by pulling that lever anyway? Explain to me how that's different.

If you guys actually worked at getting independents into office -- actual independents who have no problem telling Dems and Reps alike to STFU -- I could respect you. However nine times out of ten you guys come off as self-deluded Republicans tools.

Case in point: LIbertarians.

This election you have Obama: socially liberal...ish (the cold war against gays in the miiltary is over; not exactly revolutionary) and fiscally conservative (you can shut your hole; "Obamacare" allows a meaningful reform while maintaining private industry and pays for itself - any fiscally liberal solution would have involved taking private industry out of the equation entirely).

Compare and contrast Romney: socially conservative fellow who is making complete fiscal irresponsibility a campaign promise (his plan is a train wreck unless the GDP explodes by over 30%. Be real; what are the chances of that and is that worth gambling over?)

Now, Libertarians pride themselves on being socially liberal and fiscally conservative. So it's pretty clear which candidate best represents their interests, right?

Yes, that's correct - Romney since he's Republican. Because even Libertarians don't take Gary Johnson seriously and just can't get over their irrational hatred of the label "Democratic Party"

Ironically the sames ones that preach "tolerance" are the same ones that are always passing judgment.

I do try to live and let live, but when you can't even be honest with yourself it's a bit painful to watch.

Being tolerant means not automatically assuming your neighbor is a dangerous fool because they're different than you. However if your neighbor belabors the point that they're not internally consistent, well...
 
2012-10-25 11:46:35 PM

Diogenes: Oh, don't go so hard on Palin. She was just being an hysterical woman.


Seewhatyoudidthere.gif
 
2012-10-25 11:49:06 PM

vpb: madgonad: The Wiki makes the dog whistle more notable:

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a southern American slang term for the behavior of joking and acting facetiously. More generally, the term can also refer to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authoritative figure.[1] Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment. Shuckin' and Jivin': Folklore from Contemporary Black Americans (ISBN 0-253-20265-5) is the name of a book written by Daryl Cumber Dance in 1981. In 1972, the Johnny Lewis Quartet record a soul jazz LP called Shuckin' 'N Jivin' .[2] "Shuckin and Jivin" is also the title of a song by the Osmonds 1971[3]
The term is also used in the Southern United States referring to deceit or mischief involving lies

The bold is mine. This gets to the intent of the usage.

Yes, we also have a term for:
improvised solution: ******-rigged.
a cane fussing pole: ******-pole.
a night stick : ****** knocker.

Nothing racist about any of those. (hint ****** is the same word in each).


Is it "jury"?

/C'mon Groucho.
//"Fart" doesn't work as well.
 
2012-10-26 12:51:46 AM

Sybarite: while talking to Rachel Maddow about her visit to Afghanistan, wondered, "What has it been like, as you shuck and jive, hang out with the men over there, the women over there, in uniform risking their lives every day?"

Yes, because language is completely neutral and not contextualized by its use in centuries of oppression. "What do you mean I can't refer to a black person as a monkey? I call white people that all time!"


Context is often defined in the mind of the listener. Also, you do not have the Right to not be offended by something.
 
2012-10-26 12:53:17 AM

Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context


Eh? Would you mind explaining that?
 
2012-10-26 12:55:11 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context

Eh? Would you mind explaining that?


Link
 
2012-10-26 12:57:08 AM

vpb: cman: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

Yeah, comparing this to the usage of African Americans using the n word is pretty idiotic. Basically what you just said is that it is OK for the left to say whatever racist shiat they want because its ok for "them" to say it.

I didn't say anything that could be rationally interpreted as that.

What I said is that words aren't racist people are. Racism is bigotry about race. The intent is what makes it racist. That's why you don't understand it.

The reason that it isn't racism for black people to use the "n-word" is because they clearly aren't expressing a racist sentiment. They aren't using it as an insult, whereas whites using the "n word" are usually intend it as an insult. It's like a dog breeder saying b-tch isn't the same as calling a woman that.

That's why racists suck at concealing their racism. They think that if they avoid certain words when they express racist opinions that no one will be able to tell that they are racists.


Hmmmmm.... just like in a certain other thread about getting tickets for learning while black. The article did not mention the race of the gang members and youths being ticketed - and all the Fark Liberals that were OUTRAGED at the police automatically assumed that the people in question were black.

So..... what's that about racism?

Also, I notice that no one has responded to my points in that thread. I guess they are too embarrassed.
 
2012-10-26 12:59:58 AM

Shostie: Diogenes: But, that's how the cracker crumbles.

As a European-American, I find that highly offensive.


As a Person of Pallor I find that highly offensive.
 
2012-10-26 01:02:40 AM

HotWingConspiracy: That's because conservatives are racists. If they don't like it, stop being racists.


So are liberals. See a certain other thread about getting tickets for learning while black.
 
2012-10-26 01:05:48 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: If the American right ever was actually forced to recognize the fact that their "BOF SIDSE SAEM" narrative is bullshiat, they would then also be forced to confront the fact that they're radical authoritarian nationalists and nothing else. Fascist trash.


OK, it,s late and I've had too much to drink. What the fark does that mean?
 
2012-10-26 01:09:41 AM

ExpressPork: Fat Old Broad: Shuck and jive. Rape pregnancy is a gift. Forcible rape. Your body can shut that down. Retard. You're a slut if you use birth control.

This is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican party. I almost can't believe it.

You shouldn't believe it because it's not the case at all. It's easier to pick out a few conservative sound bites and paint them all as evil fascist racist pigs than it is to argue policy. All you need is common sense to know that it is absolutely ridiculous to paint (all) conservatives like this. C Matthews is ridiculous to take issue with someone using this phrase, but I'm not surprised as he is the Glenn Beck of Democrats. I'm surer there are plenty of kooks on both sides, but all you need is common sense to know that you're bring unfair to call this the "mainstream of the Republican Party".

Take MItt Romney for example. For weeks all we heard from every media outlet in America save Fox that he was a bumbling, lying, cheating incompetent who didn't stand a chance against Obama. Love him or hate him, look what happened after America actually saw Mitt argue in a debate and they were able to judge for themselves. Stop letting hack journalists and bloggers make up your mind for you. Stop being so gd partisan.


We don't need none of that rational shiat here on Fark, boy! Ya HEAR?
 
2012-10-26 01:24:23 AM
I'd like to share an embarrassing moment. True story. This was around 1957, and I was about 8 years old. I'd found six kittens behind a dumpster in the alley behind our house while looking for stuff to furnish the fort that my best friend Kyle and I were building in the 3 foot space between our parent's two garages.

I took all the kittens home and cried and pouted until my parents agreed to let me keep them for "a while." One of the kittens was pure black, so of course (being a fount of creativity) I named him Blackie. My mom called her friends until all but Blackie was adopted out. Try as she would, she could not place him. So she called Animal Control. They sent an African-American employee out to the house to collect the kitten.

As the guy was leaving with the kitten cuddled in his arms I cried out "Bye, Blackie." My mother basically sank into the concrete with embarrassment. I was clueless until it was explained to me.
 
2012-10-26 01:27:49 AM

sprawl15: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context

Eh? Would you mind explaining that?

Link


I an well-aware of what a cargo cult is. Wrote a paper on it in college Anthropology. What I don't understand is that phrase: conservative cargo cult of context. It appears to be a liberal dog-whistle.
 
2012-10-26 01:35:27 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: sprawl15: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jackson Herring: vpb: Sort of like "Why is it racist for us to use the n-word but OK for "them" to use it".

It's funny how racists like to believe that racism is when you violate some incomprehensible set of arbitrary rules.

It's similar to the conservative cargo cult of context

Eh? Would you mind explaining that?

Link

I an well-aware of what a cargo cult is. Wrote a paper on it in college Anthropology. What I don't understand is that phrase: conservative cargo cult of context. It appears to be a liberal dog-whistle.


Read down to the bottom of the article and the references to cargo cult science and cargo cult programming, and in general "used metaphorically to describe an attempt to recreate successful outcomes by replicating circumstances associated with those outcomes, although those circumstances are either unrelated to the causes of outcomes or insufficient to produce them by themselves." OK, Got it, never mind.

As I thought, a libbie dog whistle.
 
2012-10-26 06:42:51 PM
The racism of yesteryear has come full circle in our county. The entire world embraced our choice of a black President four years ago and most nations still support him. The fringe elements of bigotry have crept through into the mainstream once again with conservative mouthpieces planting the seeds of hate. The only doubt lies here at home rooting from bigotry. Watch the white hands paint Obama in Blackface at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html
 
2012-10-28 11:31:38 AM
Having looked up the origin of the term "shuck and jive" and what it means, I think it's only racist if said with racist intent.
 
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