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2012-10-25 12:43:07 PM
Pensioners already worked their whole lives for their pensions.

Also, let's bring back the guillotine.
 
2012-10-25 12:44:47 PM
This this the guy?

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-25 12:44:56 PM
Let them eat cake.
 
2012-10-25 12:47:27 PM
Here's an idea....

Stop giving out pensions to new employees and let the old ones die out. Simple math.
 
2012-10-25 12:48:39 PM
That will save a bundle of money.
 
2012-10-25 12:49:14 PM
This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!
 
2012-10-25 12:49:27 PM
Inheritors should work for their inheritance instead of leaching off dead people.
 
2012-10-25 12:50:48 PM
This former civil servant is probably on an index linked pension, paid for by the taxpayer. It is everyone else that is mooching though.
 
2012-10-25 12:50:55 PM
What do they call the Tea Party in England? Those Dudes That Had a Bunch of Their Tea Dumped Overboard? Unwieldy, at best.
 
2012-10-25 12:51:39 PM
Just thought I'd ruin the Ironic tags day by pointing out that this lord is, in fact, a life peer and was not born into the station.

Saying that, fark this heartless bastard.
 
2012-10-25 12:51:53 PM
DRTFA, but my god, our madness seems to be spreading across the pond.
 
2012-10-25 12:52:22 PM

FarkedOver: This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!


What's sad is even when confronted with the evidence, people won't admit Marx was right. I'm pretty sure what is going on in Communist China is just the dictatorship of the proletariat (combined with the usual amount of human greed).
 
2012-10-25 12:52:37 PM
And the taxpayers of Britain should no longer continue to throw good money away supporting an outdated hereditary caste system
 
2012-10-25 12:52:39 PM
bythegrapes.files.wordpress.com

I say old boy, it'll keep the riff-raff out of the parks, wot?
 
2012-10-25 12:56:04 PM
static.zerochan.net

WHEN I AM ALREADY TAXED?
 
2012-10-25 12:56:33 PM

skullkrusher: What do they call the Tea Party in England? Those Dudes That Had a Bunch of Their Tea Dumped Overboard? Unwieldy, at best.


Original's, Old English Tea Party, or the "OO".
 
2012-10-25 12:56:43 PM

Granny_Panties: This this the guy?

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x384]


Nah, I think it was this guy

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-25 12:57:02 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: FarkedOver: This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!

What's sad is even when confronted with the evidence, people won't admit Marx was right. I'm pretty sure what is going on in Communist China is just the dictatorship of the proletariat (combined with the usual amount of human greed).


Wait. The approaching failure of the entire system, because of the handouts, is proof that the system of handouts works?
I'm not agreeing with the gayLord there, just saying that he's wrong because everyone should get that money, doesn't make the money magically appear. There was a suggestion above that nobody else get a public pension. If you're on now, you get one until you die, if you aren't, start saving. That's a much better plan than "Marx was right".
 
2012-10-25 12:57:08 PM
I never could understand British humour...
 
2012-10-25 12:58:27 PM
Are there no workhouses? Are there no debtors' prisons?
 
2012-10-25 12:59:43 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: What's sad is even when confronted with the evidence, people won't admit Marx was right. I'm pretty sure what is going on in Communist China is just the dictatorship of the proletariat (combined with the usual amount of human greed).


The problem with USSR and the problem with China is they were in no way ready for a socialist revolution. Marx specifically says that highly industrialized economies are the only ones capable of a successful socialist revolution. USSR and China were not heavily industrialized at the onset of their revolutions. What happened? They had no choice but to bring in capitalists (like the Koch family in the USSR!) to industrialize their nations. It corrupted their countries. Capitalism corrupts.
 
2012-10-25 01:00:54 PM

Lost Thought 00: And the taxpayers of Britain should no longer continue to throw good money away supporting an outdated hereditary caste system


The entire royal family costs less than what a small state election spends on advertising.
 
2012-10-25 01:01:45 PM

missiv: skullkrusher: What do they call the Tea Party in England? Those Dudes That Had a Bunch of Their Tea Dumped Overboard? Unwieldy, at best.

Original's, Old English Tea Party, or the "OO".


Old English Tea sounds disgusting. I bet the chavs drink that
 
2012-10-25 01:02:01 PM
news.bbcimg.co.uk
You KNOW he has tons of child porn on his computer.
 
2012-10-25 01:02:36 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Wait. The approaching failure of the entire system, because of the handouts, is proof that the system of handouts works?
I'm not agreeing with the gayLord there, just saying that he's wrong because everyone should get that money, doesn't make the money magically appear. There was a suggestion above that nobody else get a public pension. If you're on now, you get one until you die, if you aren't, start saving. That's a much better plan than "Marx was right".


You're woefully ignorant on Marxist thought if you believe Marx's advocated handing things out and that was the crux of his works.

Read Das Kapital. All it is, is a critique of capitalism. Even the most die-hard free marketeer could read that and say that what he says is true.
 
2012-10-25 01:03:12 PM
Perhaps they should die and decrease the surplus population.
 
2012-10-25 01:04:21 PM

FarkedOver: This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!


Holy crap. We can't abide people selling their mom some shoes! WORKERS UNITE!
 
2012-10-25 01:04:46 PM

skullkrusher: FarkedOver: This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!

Holy crap. We can't abide people selling their mom some shoes! WORKERS UNITE!


I love you man!
 
2012-10-25 01:04:58 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: FarkedOver: This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!

What's sad is even when confronted with the evidence, people won't admit Marx was right. I'm pretty sure what is going on in Communist China is just the dictatorship of the proletariat (combined with the usual amount of human greed).

Wait. The approaching failure of the entire system, because of the handouts, is proof that the system of handouts works?
I'm not agreeing with the gayLord there, just saying that he's wrong because everyone should get that money, doesn't make the money magically appear. There was a suggestion above that nobody else get a public pension. If you're on now, you get one until you die, if you aren't, start saving. That's a much better plan than "Marx was right".


My comment was referencing the current situation where the Communist Party in China has a seat on the boards of businesses. Public handouts is a different story. I do find it amazing that a British Lord thinks inherited titles and their accompanying lands, houses and other goodies are fine but NO PENSIONS FOR THE RIFF-RAFF. No sir.

www.survivors-mad-dog.org.uk

Perhaps he's one of the Buxomlys. From the rotten borough of Dunny-on-the-Wold .
 
2012-10-25 01:08:38 PM

FarkedOver: skullkrusher: FarkedOver: This is so farking absurd. They want people who have already worked their entire lives to earn a pension (that has probably been looted down to the farking bone) to go back to work to..... earn it again? WTF? This world has completely been turned upside down! We lionize and idolize CEOs who get ridiculous compensation, for WHAT!? We worship captains of industry who would sell their own mother a pair of shoes if it meant profits could be that much more! We've fetishized accumulation and to what end what does this achieve?

Every day I am reminded how Marx was right.

/Unite!!

Holy crap. We can't abide people selling their mom some shoes! WORKERS UNITE!

I love you man!


fark that man. I can tolerate a whole bunch of stuff but I won't have people providing their parents with footwear. That's some serious bolshevikshiat
 
2012-10-25 01:08:39 PM

FarkedOver: I love you man!


I have him ignored as "Captain of Semantics".
What did he go for out of your entire argument? Shoes.
 
2012-10-25 01:08:53 PM
This guy has a set on him. Is almost as if he is against the massive transfer of wealth from younger people who will never receive those benefits to older people who promised themselves benefits they never had any intention of paying. Its almost as if that is teh same exact sham happening in the United States.....because it is.
 
2012-10-25 01:11:24 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Wait. The approaching failure of the entire system, because of the handouts, is proof that the system of handouts works?
I'm not agreeing with the gayLord there, just saying that he's wrong because everyone should get that money, doesn't make the money magically appear. There was a suggestion above that nobody else get a public pension. If you're on now, you get one until you die, if you aren't, start saving. That's a much better plan than "Marx was right".


The welfare state, the entire conception of it, is a compromise that is entirely capitalist in nature. The entire purpose of it is to allow the capitalist system to continue largely unmolested while curbing the natural excesses of it. It's palliative treatment. Do you know why so many on the left - the actual left, that is, not the liberal center - are in general opposed to reform as a goal? Because the welfare state exists to protect capitalism.

No, the impending collapse of capitalism is not because of public benefits. There is enough and more than enough money to fund a stable welfare state, and, as the cracks deepen in the capitalist system, you'll find that money "magically" appearing to shore it up. The capitalists are hastening their own collapse by being stupid and greedy and trying to rob their own security system blind.
 
2012-10-25 01:14:03 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Wait. The approaching failure of the entire system, because of the handouts, is proof that the system of handouts works?
I'm not agreeing with the gayLord there, just saying that he's wrong because everyone should get that money, doesn't make the money magically appear. There was a suggestion above that nobody else get a public pension. If you're on now, you get one until you die, if you aren't, start saving. That's a much better plan than "Marx was right".

The welfare state, the entire conception of it, is a compromise that is entirely capitalist in nature. The entire purpose of it is to allow the capitalist system to continue largely unmolested while curbing the natural excesses of it. It's palliative treatment. Do you know why so many on the left - the actual left, that is, not the liberal center - are in general opposed to reform as a goal? Because the welfare state exists to protect capitalism.

No, the impending collapse of capitalism is not because of public benefits. There is enough and more than enough money to fund a stable welfare state, and, as the cracks deepen in the capitalist system, you'll find that money "magically" appearing to shore it up. The capitalists are hastening their own collapse by being stupid and greedy and trying to rob their own security system blind.


To piggy back on this point - Capitalism REQUIRES a surplus of labor. What does this mean? This means there will always have to be a sizable amount of people unemployed. This is a system that requires excluding people from it. Capitalism exploits, it alienates and corrupts.
 
2012-10-25 01:16:45 PM
fark him. Generally speaking old people would work if they could. It's kind off hard to keep up with the TPS reports with arthritis, glaucoma, and slowed reaction times.


How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly? Pretty much anyone under 60 shouldn't be getting handouts. But if we/they are going to try and be compassionate, how about correcting those abuses first?
 
2012-10-25 01:18:44 PM
At the beginning, when the laws of Animal Farm were first formulated, the retiring age had been fixed for horses and pigs at twelve, for cows at fourteen, for dogs at nine, for sheep at seven, and for hens and geese at five. Liberal old-age pensions had been agreed upon. As yet no animal had actually retired on pension, but of late the subject had been discussed more and more. Now that the small field beyond the orchard had been set aside for barley, it was rumoured that a corner of the large pasture was to be fenced off and turned into a grazing-ground for superannuated animals. For a horse, it was said, the pension would be five pounds of corn a day and, in winter, fifteen pounds of hay, with a carrot or possibly an apple on public holidays. Boxer's twelfth birthday was due in the late summer of the following year.

Meanwhile life was hard. The winter was as cold as the last one had been, and food was even shorter. Once again all rations were reduced, except those of the pigs and the dogs. A too rigid equality in rations, Squealer explained, would have been contrary to the principles of Animalism. In any case he had no difficulty in proving to the other animals that they were not in reality short of food, whatever the appearances might be. For the time being, certainly, it had been found necessary to make a readjustment of rations (Squealer always spoke of it as a 'readjustment,' never as a 'reduction'), but in comparison with the days of Jones, the improvement was enormous. Reading out the figures in a shrill, rapid voice, he proved to them in detail that they had more oats, more hay, more turnips than they had had in Jones's day, that they worked shorter hours, that their drinking water was of better quality, that they lived longer, that a larger proportion of their young ones survived infancy, and that they had more straw in their stalls and suffered less from fleas. The animals believed every word of it. Truth to tell, Jones and all he stood for had almost faded out of their memories. They knew that life nowadays was harsh and bare, that they were often hungry and often cold, and that they were usually working when they were not asleep. But doubtless it had been worse in the old days. They were glad to believe so. Besides, in those days they had been slaves and now they were free, and that made all the difference, as Squealer did not fail to point out.
 
2012-10-25 01:19:38 PM

fickenchucker: fark him. Generally speaking old people would work if they could. It's kind off hard to keep up with the TPS reports with arthritis, glaucoma, and slowed reaction times.


How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly? Pretty much anyone under 60 shouldn't be getting handouts. But if we/they are going to try and be compassionate, how about correcting those abuses first?


why not both? The fact that in England the more children you breed the more money you get is a well known abuse and larger families make more than the average worker is insane.
 
2012-10-25 01:21:06 PM

fickenchucker: How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly?


I don't know what it's like in Britain, but I just saw a study that said that a whole 0.4% of the U.S. Deficit was caused by welfare to women with children, and the average time anyone not disabled was on welfare was 3 years with a maximum of 5. We aren't wasting our money on the young breeders.
 
2012-10-25 01:22:16 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: fickenchucker: How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly?

I don't know what it's like in Britain, but I just saw a study that said that a whole 0.4% of the U.S. Deficit was caused by welfare to women with children, and the average time anyone not disabled was on welfare was 3 years with a maximum of 5. We aren't wasting our money on the young breeders.


Yeah, but admitting that the problem in the US, at least, is all military spending damages rightist talking points.
 
2012-10-25 01:24:36 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Sergeant Grumbles: fickenchucker: How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly?

I don't know what it's like in Britain, but I just saw a study that said that a whole 0.4% of the U.S. Deficit was caused by welfare to women with children, and the average time anyone not disabled was on welfare was 3 years with a maximum of 5. We aren't wasting our money on the young breeders.

Yeah, but admitting that the problem in the US, at least, is all military spending damages rightist talking points.


Payments to older people is a much larger problem and an impossible one to fix. Fixing the military problem would be bad politically, telling seniors that they are getting far more than they ever put in and it has to sop would be complete political suicide.
 
2012-10-25 01:26:02 PM

Brostorm: Payments to older people is a much larger problem and an impossible one to fix.


No, it's not a problem, nor is it hard to fix. The only reason it's "hard to fix" is because the only fix you rightists will accept is "scrap the whole thing".
 
2012-10-25 01:27:50 PM

Brostorm: Payments to older people is a much larger problem and an impossible one to fix.


Remove the cap on social security.
Single payer insurance.
Fixed.
 
2012-10-25 01:28:13 PM
It's actually rather progressive.

Personally, I'd implement as a cut across the board and then give working elderly a pound for pound earned pension credit for work and tax only the work pay.

If the average pension is 60k, cut it to 50k and match 10k of work dollars. Then the pensioner can earn more than 60k and not be penalized for working.

BTW, the U.S. already does this in the opposite way: Work while on SS and you get your benefits cut as they get taxed.

//People who believe pensioners already worked for their pensions don't understand that they are withdrawing more than they put it in. Not their fault but that's the reality. They are getting more than what they worked for and it's why companies with pension obligations switch to 401k, change to pension or go bankrupt. No diffferent if it's the state. The state can can always use monetary policy to cut benefits if they want.
 
2012-10-25 01:28:20 PM

Brostorm: A Dark Evil Omen: Sergeant Grumbles: fickenchucker: How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly?

I don't know what it's like in Britain, but I just saw a study that said that a whole 0.4% of the U.S. Deficit was caused by welfare to women with children, and the average time anyone not disabled was on welfare was 3 years with a maximum of 5. We aren't wasting our money on the young breeders.

Yeah, but admitting that the problem in the US, at least, is all military spending damages rightist talking points.

Payments to older people is a much larger problem and an impossible one to fix. Fixing the military problem would be bad politically, telling seniors that they are getting far more than they ever put in and it has to sop would be complete political suicide.


It's impossible to fix in all capitalist scenarios. Capitalism belongs in the dustbin of history.
 
2012-10-25 01:29:19 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Remove the income cap on social security taxes.


Clarified that for me.
 
2012-10-25 01:29:47 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Sergeant Grumbles: fickenchucker: How about stopping payments to all the younger people we read about in those papers who breed endlessly?

I don't know what it's like in Britain, but I just saw a study that said that a whole 0.4% of the U.S. Deficit was caused by welfare to women with children, and the average time anyone not disabled was on welfare was 3 years with a maximum of 5. We aren't wasting our money on the young breeders.

Yeah, but admitting that the problem in the US, at least, is all military spending damages rightist talking points.



You're changing the subject at hand.

If you want to go down that road, this conservative would prefer to see every politician agree to cut everything across the board 10% or more. We're spending too much as compared to income.

And yes, there can be modifications to taxation, too. True conservatives want a balanced budget. Republicans and Democrats alike have their political issues that are less than ideal.
 
2012-10-25 01:30:11 PM
Thereby preventing young people from getting work to begin with.
 
2012-10-25 01:30:48 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Brostorm: Payments to older people is a much larger problem and an impossible one to fix.

No, it's not a problem, nor is it hard to fix. The only reason it's "hard to fix" is because the only fix you rightists will accept is "scrap the whole thing".


Sergeant Grumbles: Brostorm: Payments to older people is a much larger problem and an impossible one to fix.

Remove the cap on social security.
Single payer insurance.
Fixed.


You do realize that seniors are the voting block most behind the no single payer crap right? It is imossible because no politician would sugest lowering their benefits or giviing medicare to more people because seniors, boomers in particular will have non of it.

You thought the "ok lets just screw everyone under 55" came from no where?
 
2012-10-25 01:31:54 PM
That'll show all those people who didn't cause the problem.
 
2012-10-25 01:32:57 PM

fickenchucker: If you want to go down that road, this conservative would prefer to see every politician agree to cut everything across the board 10% or more. We're spending too much as compared to income.


That's farking stupid when we spend far more on some things than others. There's no point in cutting 10% of something that's 0.4% of the budget when we have much more egregious examples of wasteful spending that would take at most a few seconds longer to look at and target more meaningfully than screaming "10% OF EVERYTHING MUST GO. SPENDING PROBLEMS!"
 
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