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(BBC)   "...and that's the latest from Snooki. Now we turn briefly to a boring report that Egypt has brokered a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. Isn't that nice? Up next: Why is President Obama hiding his kindergarten report cards?"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 102
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2012-10-25 10:03:48 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Dixie_Wrecked: Fartbama says, "We stand with Israel". Yes. We stand with you with our nose in the air and watch but at least we are standing with you.

Gee, they seem in real danger here.

amid "some of the most intense rockets and mortar fire in months" there have been a grand total of 5 people wounded. Wow, that certainly sounds like the most advanced and well equipped military in the region needs assistance.

The Israeli's can certainly handle themselves in this regard as the have dozens of times in the past.


By launching "illegal" pre-emptive wars like the Six-Day War, deploying "illegal" weapons like cluster bombs and WP, and doing other things that make the UN, ICC, and Progressives shiat themselves with outrage.

/I favor letting the Israelis do whatever they must to protect themselves
//but people who feel that way are no longer in charge of anything, and won't be put back in charge of anything until it's way too late
 
2012-10-25 10:07:08 AM
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-10-25 10:07:37 AM

Dixie_Wrecked: There are reasons to protect Israel. I find it funny/irritating that most farkers can't have an objective view about politics. Everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong.


Except that these farkers who believe that "everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong" exist only in your head, so you're really only amusing/irritating yourself with your little fantasies. But it's good that you keep yourself busy.
 
2012-10-25 10:11:51 AM
Israel gets a little over $3 billion a year from the US, and over 80% of that is in military aid. Most of that winds up back in the US as they use it to purchase American-made military equipment.

With a GDP of about $230 billion annually, and an annual government budget of over $60 billion. I really don't think the loss of our "help" would be much more than a small bump in Israel's road.

By comparison, the West Bank and Gaza have a combined GPD of over $12 billion, and they get about $400 million from the US.
 
2012-10-25 10:13:23 AM

ciberido: Dixie_Wrecked: There are reasons to protect Israel. I find it funny/irritating that most farkers can't have an objective view about politics. Everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong.

Except that these farkers who believe that "everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong" exist only in your head, so you're really only amusing/irritating yourself with your little fantasies. But it's good that you keep yourself busy.


I'd argue that. There seems to be a fair number of farkers who toe the Democrat party line with no exceptions.
 
2012-10-25 10:16:45 AM

Dixie_Wrecked: Cut their funding. You guys are saying cut Israel's funding but I say cut the other assholes' funding. Why would you fund 2 groups who hate each other? To act like you are trying to get a long with both? Or how about so they can keep fighting each other, give Israel our new technology to test out on brown people so the US doesn't look like the bad guy?


Well lets see:

Well fed and religiously motivated terrorists launching sporadic rockets that rarely do any real damage.

OR

An entire horde of starving desperate refugees with a lot of violent and very well motivated insurgents mixed into their numbers swarming the border.

I'd say that the very small amount of funding tossed into Palestine might just be money well spent. I'm not an expert though and that's a highly speculative point but may be worth considering.
 
2012-10-25 10:17:21 AM

Kit Fister: Mix in a general population of uneducated people that are driven by religious fervor to follow the words of MohammedFox Izvestia, and you have a powder keg.


FTFY
 
2012-10-25 10:20:09 AM
Why is President Obama hiding his kindergarten report cards?"

'Cause he was caught numerous trying to redistribute the Legos?
 
2012-10-25 10:21:02 AM
"numerous TIMES".....jeez, blew the punch line AGAIN...
 
2012-10-25 10:24:35 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Joe Blowme: Wicked Chinchilla: And to prove my point, right from the article:
"Six Palestinian militants were killed in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza."

They had 70+ rockets fired at them plus some mortars over the course of a day resulting in 5 wounded. Real effective weapons there.

During that same time frame they have already retaliated and drawn blood.

I ask those of you again saying how the US should help: how WOULD you have us help in some form of effective manner? This needless sabre rattling and calls to thrust the US military into every teeny tiny little scrap the Israelis deal with on a day-to-day basis is ridiculous.

CUT OFF FUNDING!!!

/maybe he has me on ignore?

Nope, I don't have anyone on ignore actually.
And I agree with you that the level of funding we send there should be discussed. We have valuable technical development relationships with them (and other things) that are ongoing, but do we really need to provide as much aid as we do?


I think you misunderstand me, i'm talking about cutting off all funding to the death cult of islam, not Israel. Then give Israel all the ammo they want.
 
2012-10-25 10:26:28 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Dixie_Wrecked: Wicked Chinchilla: Dixie_Wrecked: Egoy3k: Dixie_Wrecked: Fartbama says, "We stand with Israel". Yes. We stand with you with our nose in the air and watch but at least we are standing with you.

Assuming you aren't a troll, what do you think he should do exactly?

There are reasons to protect Israel. I find it funny/irritating that most farkers can't have an objective view about politics. Everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong.

Answer this question.

It has nothing to do with Republican vs. Democrat. What avenue of action is available to the US that the Israeli's can't do at all, or can't do better given their experience, locality, and resources?

This doesn't even approach the level of swatting flies. Its like shooing away gnats. Israel can handle that perfectly fine, and more ably, than the US can.

I would argue we already HAVE helped them in this regard considering our technological assistance in developing Iron Dome and other active protection and/or various detection systems.

It has nothing to do with Republican vs. Democrat.
It does because a Dem is the president therefore whatever he does will be perfect to you.

What avenue of action is available to the US that the Israeli's can't do at all, or can't do better given their experience, locality, and resources?
Cut their funding. You guys are saying cut Israel's funding but I say cut the other assholes' funding. Why would you fund 2 groups who hate each other? To act like you are trying to get a long with both? Or how about so they can keep fighting each other, give Israel our new technology to test out on brown people so the US doesn't look like the bad guy?

What do you think the joint weapons development does.
Also, the US doesn't provide aid to Hamas or Hamas controlled entities.
so..... next question?


Not so fast.... Link
 
2012-10-25 10:27:21 AM

Egoy3k: Dixie_Wrecked: Cut their funding. You guys are saying cut Israel's funding but I say cut the other assholes' funding. Why would you fund 2 groups who hate each other? To act like you are trying to get a long with both? Or how about so they can keep fighting each other, give Israel our new technology to test out on brown people so the US doesn't look like the bad guy?

Well lets see:

Well fed and religiously motivated terrorists launching sporadic rockets that rarely do any real damage.

OR

An entire horde of starving desperate refugees with a lot of violent and very well motivated insurgents mixed into their numbers swarming the border.

I'd say that the very small amount of funding tossed into Palestine might just be money well spent. I'm not an expert though and that's a highly speculative point but may be worth considering.


It would be a target rich environment
 
2012-10-25 10:28:12 AM

This text is now purple: It's odd that the US culturally prefers a high-performing, hardworking, general peaceful culture which exemplary financial and scientific accomplishments, who have built a 1st world country out of a pit of cheap sand bereft of national resources and surrounded on all sides by aggressors over a collection of violent, lazy, debauched nomads and camel jockeys, who have spent the last 1200 years trying to conquer Europe.


Israel is an impressive little country and despite a few hiccups, namely the spy debacles starting with Pollard and the USS Liberty, has been a strong ally in the middle east.

We share with them parts of our religious heritage and history.

It is also a safe place for Jews so that we do not have another Holocaust, one of humanity's least memorable moments.

However, Israel is threatened by the Palestinian presence. Diversity is a tough thing to make work, and no one has done it yet. In Israel, the diversity issue manifests itself as rocket grenades being fired into civilian areas of Israel with the intent to kill, maim and terrorize the population.

Perhaps it's time to stop with the diversity experiment in Israel and just declare it a Jewish state for Jewish people only. Palestinians can relocate to Florida or Texas. And finally, there will be peace in the middle east.

Until Iran gets Scuds, I guess.
 
2012-10-25 10:29:48 AM

give me doughnuts: And as soon as Hamas gets enough rocket parts smuggled in through Egypt, they'll start firing more into Israel.


Well, if Israel would stop attacking Palestine...
 
2012-10-25 10:29:51 AM

sodomizer: Until Iran gets Scuds, I guess.


Iran has scuds, scuds cannot even hit Israel, Saddam had to put a scud on a scud to hit Israel

Link
 
2012-10-25 10:30:04 AM
Nice...good job. Should last about 15 minutes before the Islamic fundies hear about it..then they will open fire again, and start shiat all over again. Nice try though.
 
2012-10-25 10:30:24 AM

sodomizer: A couple B-52 strikes could cure Hamas of this nasty habit of launching rocket grenades at civilians.

Eye for an eye doesn't make the world blind. It cures the world of dangerous idiots.


Not if there are survivors.
 
2012-10-25 10:31:17 AM

sodomizer: Perhaps it's time to stop with the diversity experiment in Israel and just declare it a Jewish state for Jewish people only.


It's the Muslims outside of Israel that are the problem. The one's inside Israel have it pretty good.

On average, they have higher education, long life expectancy, and higher income than almost anywhere in the Muslim world.
 
2012-10-25 10:43:27 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: They had 70+ rockets fired at them plus some mortars over the course of a day resulting in 5 wounded. Real effective weapons there.

During that same time frame they have already retaliated and drawn blood.


5 wounded because Israel has sophisticated alarm systems, bomb shelters under every house in cities around Gaza and the civilians there are trained to run for cover in 20 seconds when the alarms sound. It's not as if the palestinians are not trying, they try very very hard to murder as many israeli civilians as possible. There should have been zero wounded, probably kids or elderly who didn't run fast enough to the bomb shelter when the alarms started.

During that time frame Israel should have dropped 70 random mortar shells on palestinian civilians by your logic if you want to be accurate. Instead they did a surgical attack specifically against Hamas terrorists en route to fire more shells at Israel.
 
2012-10-25 10:45:55 AM

TappingTheVein: 5 wounded because Israel has sophisticated alarm systems, bomb shelters under every house in cities around Gaza and the civilians there are trained to run for cover in 20 seconds when the alarms sound. It's not as if the palestinians are not trying, they try very very hard to murder as many israeli civilians as possible. There should have been zero wounded, probably kids or elderly who didn't run fast enough to the bomb shelter when the alarms started.


most of the wounded were Thai Kibbutz workers, chances are they didn't know the process or were not near any cover
 
2012-10-25 10:47:25 AM

signaljammer: I wonder if this Zionist contagion of the USA will ever end. It doesn't seem to have any precedent historically. Truman was a tool.


But not a circumsized tool, amirite?

/trying to meld all the derp into one epic thread.
 
2012-10-25 10:48:03 AM

zedster: most of the wounded were Thai Kibbutz workers, chances are they didn't know the process or were not near any cover


Makes sense.
 
2012-10-25 10:53:15 AM
Nuke 'em from orbit.

Its the only way to be sure.
 
2012-10-25 10:53:58 AM

sodomizer: A couple B-52 strikes could cure Hamas of this nasty habit of launching rocket grenades at civilians.

Eye for an eye doesn't make the world blind. It cures the world of dangerous idiots.


I am with you, but we can use the B-2's now we don't have to use the B-52's. It is never going to happen though, because all the libtards would be crying about killing civilians as they drink their rainbow kool aid and snort unicorn farts. Makes one wonder where they were when World War II was taking place and we were bombing cities into dust.
 
2012-10-25 10:59:12 AM

Profedius: sodomizer: A couple B-52 strikes could cure Hamas of this nasty habit of launching rocket grenades at civilians.

Eye for an eye doesn't make the world blind. It cures the world of dangerous idiots.

I am with you, but we can use the B-2's now we don't have to use the B-52's. It is never going to happen though, because all the libtards would be crying about killing civilians as they drink their rainbow kool aid and snort unicorn farts. Makes one wonder where they were when World War II was taking place and we were bombing cities into dust.


And stomping the shiat out of dangerous ideologies like the nazis in germany and japan, they way we should be stomping out islam which is just as bad if not worse than nazis'. Yet we tolerate them openly saying they want to kill us all and rule the world. Sad.
 
2012-10-25 11:24:26 AM

uber humper: ciberido: Dixie_Wrecked: There are reasons to protect Israel. I find it funny/irritating that most farkers can't have an objective view about politics. Everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong.

Except that these farkers who believe that "everything Obama does is 100% perfect and everything any Rep does is 100% wrong" exist only in your head, so you're really only amusing/irritating yourself with your little fantasies. But it's good that you keep yourself busy.

I'd argue that. There seems to be a fair number of farkers who toe the Democrat party line with no exceptions.


Name one who "toes the Democrat party line with no exception."
 
2012-10-25 11:26:37 AM

uber humper: sodomizer: Perhaps it's time to stop with the diversity experiment in Israel and just declare it a Jewish state for Jewish people only.

It's the Muslims outside of Israel that are the problem. The one's inside Israel have it pretty good.

On average, they have higher education, long life expectancy, and higher income than almost anywhere in the Muslim world.


I don't think that a purely racial or ethnic or religious state should be in existence in the 21st century. In the long run, it doesn't work. Communication is instant and worldwide. Diversity is the new norm. Trying to funnel power into an exclusive group will fail. All governments should be completely secular and serve all the people in the nation and represent and give voice to all of those people. This applies in the rest of the world as well. The islamists will be no more successful in doing it with an Islamic state. Not in the long term.
 
2012-10-25 11:30:02 AM

Profedius: libtards...Makes one wonder where they were when World War II was taking place and we were bombing cities into dust.


wegotabadassoverhere.jpg
 
2012-10-25 11:31:36 AM

advex101: uber humper: sodomizer: Perhaps it's time to stop with the diversity experiment in Israel and just declare it a Jewish state for Jewish people only.

It's the Muslims outside of Israel that are the problem. The one's inside Israel have it pretty good.

On average, they have higher education, long life expectancy, and higher income than almost anywhere in the Muslim world.

I don't think that a purely racial or ethnic or religious state should be in existence in the 21st century. In the long run, it doesn't work. Communication is instant and worldwide. Diversity is the new norm. Trying to funnel power into an exclusive group will fail. All governments should be completely secular and serve all the people in the nation and represent and give voice to all of those people. This applies in the rest of the world as well. The islamists will be no more successful in doing it with an Islamic state. Not in the long term.


I do not disagree.

Unfortunately, it looks like the number of Islamic states is growing. One was just born the other day, with the Muslim autonomous region in the Philippians.
 
2012-10-25 11:36:44 AM

Kit Fister: This is Cease Fire number...what? 9.93x10^478?

over there, a cease fire is code for "we're running low on ordnance. Let's call a politically expedient time out while we restock and rearm."

Wake me up when they declare a peace treaty with an appropriate jointly rebuilt DMZ.


Or it means Israel has torn up their command structure enough that they need to reorganize. In this case, though, it's certainly about ordinance.
 
2012-10-25 12:03:16 PM
I like how there's no mention of the visit by the Qatari emir the other day and apparently Israeli provocations before and during. Nope, Hamas just decided to give Israel an excuse to kick their ass out of boredom.
 
2012-10-25 12:05:23 PM
Also:
"Look, even the Arabs have abandoned the Palestinians!"
"But the Emir of Qatar is visiting."
"How dare he support those terrorists!"
 
2012-10-25 12:07:56 PM

Kit Fister: This is Cease Fire number...what? 9.93x10^478?

over there, a cease fire is code for "we're running low on ordnance. Let's call a politically expedient time out while we restock and rearm."

Wake me up when they declare a peace treaty with an appropriate jointly rebuilt DMZ.


Bazinga
 
2012-10-25 12:26:51 PM

RanDomino: I like how there's no mention of the visit by the Qatari emir the other day and apparently Israeli provocations before and during. Nope, Hamas just decided to give Israel an excuse to kick their ass out of boredom.


Oppressed people forced to live in ghettos and subject to apartheid-like restrictions don't like it? The hell you say!
 
2012-10-25 12:28:33 PM

RanDomino: I like how there's no mention of the visit by the Qatari emir the other day and apparently Israeli provocations before and during. Nope, Hamas just decided to give Israel an excuse to kick their ass out of boredom a demonstration for the Qatari emir that they will never stop attacking Israel.


FTFY

/Hamas claims Nir Am is Gaza territory, and the IDF military patrol protecting it was a clear provocation
//as usual, they are lying... Israel's continued existence is all the provocation they need, as the rocket attacks last week demonstrated, and the week before, and the week before, etc.
 
2012-10-25 12:36:20 PM

RanDomino: I like how there's no mention of the visit by the Qatari emir the other day and apparently Israeli provocations before and during. Nope, Hamas just decided to give Israel an excuse to kick their ass out of boredom.


Right, Israeli provocations. The fact that the palestinian attacks started 2 weeks before (6 rockets on October 9, at least 7 rockets on October 17, 80 yesterday) the visit or Israel's "provocations" (responding to terrorists bombing civilians) suggests that Hamas gave their arab sponsor a good demonstration on how his money is put to good use and you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
 
2012-10-25 02:16:51 PM
TappingTheVein
Right, Israeli provocations. The fact that the palestinian attacks started 2 weeks before (6 rockets on October 9, at least 7 rockets on October 17, 80 yesterday) the visit or Israel's "provocations" (responding to terrorists bombing civilians) suggests that Hamas gave their arab sponsor a good demonstration on how his money is put to good use and you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

[[citations needed]]
From what I can tell this latest round started on Sunday with an IDF incursion into northern Gaza.
 
2012-10-25 03:47:30 PM

RanDomino: [[citations needed]]
From what I can tell this latest round started on Sunday with an IDF incursion into northern Gaza.


Of course citations are needed, like i said, you have no clue.

Oh and the palestinians broke the cease fire (shocking i know) today.
 
2012-10-25 04:22:58 PM
Hamas ran out of rockets for the day.
 
2012-10-25 05:37:46 PM
this was an allusion to an Israeli air strike the previous day

Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants to Palestinians. Palestinians are not allowed to retaliate. Should they retaliate, Israel will retaliate against their retaliation (in self-defense).

The attacks followed a threat against Israel by Sinai-based Salafist group Ansar Bayt al-Maqdes. Israel responded with an air strike on a base of Hamas

Classy. Is that like invading Iraq because of Saudi terrorists based in Afghanistan?
 
2012-10-25 06:05:03 PM

RanDomino: Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants to Palestinians. Palestinians are not allowed to retaliate.


Palestinians attack Israel because it exists, they do not 'retaliate'. Hamas even has it in writing in their charter for the challenged individuals or if you are really deficient they can spell it out for you, all their top leadership.
The PLO are more subtle, they have this.

RanDomino: Classy. Is that like invading Iraq because of Saudi terrorists based in Afghanistan?


Israel responded to Hamas attacks as stated very clearly, what a pathetic attempt at selective editing. Are you that desperate ?

Which part of 'Hamas being a jihadist terrorist organization who as a stated goal repeatedly attack Israel non a regular basis' is too difficult for you to grasp ?
And you missed the more than 50 rocket attacks on israeli cities on October 8 as a gift for a jewish holiday.
 
2012-10-25 10:15:45 PM
I didn't see anything about Egypt in the linked article.
 
2012-10-25 10:35:51 PM
TappingTheVein
Which part of 'Hamas being a jihadist terrorist organization who as a stated goal repeatedly attack Israel non a regular basis' is too difficult for you to grasp ?

Makes perfect sense. You'll have no objections to Palestinian rocket attacks if their stated purpose is to kill Israeli members of any group which has a stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and Israeli annexation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, yes?
 
2012-10-26 04:10:41 AM

morg: Egypt


Came here to say this.

/I r confused
 
2012-10-26 06:04:51 AM

RanDomino: Makes perfect sense. You'll have no objections to Palestinian rocket attacks if their stated purpose is to kill Israeli members of any group which has a stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and Israeli annexation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, yes?


Ah so you acknowledge the fact that you had no farking clue what the hell you were talking about thus far. Good.
Since there is no Israeli stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians whatsoever and since Israeli annexation of the West Bank (as evident by every peace agreement offer) or Gaza (i don't think there can be an bigger evidence than farking handing it to the Palestinians) is only in your extremely clueless biased mind, you only strengthen the fact (as evident by your last two post) that you have no farking clue what the hell you're talking about.

If you are making a (pathetic) attempt to refer to insane settlers i would point out that they are not officially running Israel contrary to the fact that the PLO and Hamas rule the Palestinians and they had no saying whatsoever in the matter as evident by Israel's withdrawal from Gaza.

Seriously, maybe you should check out the entertainment tab or something, with each post you only prove the fact that you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.
 
2012-10-26 09:34:19 AM
TappingTheVein
If you are making a (pathetic) attempt to refer to insane settlers i would point out that they are not officially running Israel

Nope, just setting the policy, defended by the Israeli government, funded by subsidies, protected by the IDF... but not "officially" running Israel.
 
2012-10-26 10:07:13 AM

RanDomino: Nope, just setting the policy, defended by the Israeli government, funded by subsidies, protected by the IDF... but not "officially" running Israel.


It's not setting the policy, there is no ethnic cleansing or stated goal of it, there is no stated goal of annexing Gaza or the West Bank, you're making shiat up or is it wishful thinking based on whatever lies you choose to believe ? i honestly don't know. Read my previous post again.

Not only are you clueless, biased and ignorant you also don't pay attention.
 
2012-10-26 10:19:31 AM
Oh and to clarify since you seem to be having some difficulty with understanding basic facts: the settlers do not run Israel, in any capacity whatsoever. I was trying to make you understand the vast difference between them and the ones who actually, really, in all aspects and purposes, control the palestinians.

I know this is hard for you to understand. You don't seem to like facts that shatter you ignorant retarded worldview when Israel is concerned.
 
2012-10-26 04:53:41 PM
TappingTheVein
It's not setting the policy, there is no ethnic cleansing or stated goal of it, there is no stated goal of annexing Gaza or the West Bank,

Ah so you can do whatever you want, as long as you don't SAY what you're doing. Or even if you do, as long as the people who are backing you up with funding and military support don't SAY what they're doing.

the ones who actually, really, in all aspects and purposes, control the palestinians.

Which is, of course, why there were exactly zero security incidents during the Qatari Emir's vist.
 
2012-10-26 05:32:52 PM

RanDomino: Ah so you can do whatever you want, as long as you don't SAY what you're doing. Or even if you do, as long as the people who are backing you up with funding and military support don't SAY what they're doing.


I don't think i can make this any clearer: the settlers do not run Israel, in any capacity whatsoever. There is no ethnic cleansing or stated goal of it, there is no stated goal of annexing Gaza or the West Bank as evident by the facts of Israel withdrawal from Gaza and peace agreement offers handing over almost the entire West Bank for a future palestinian state.

RanDomino: Which is, of course, why there were exactly zero security incidents during the Qatari Emir's vist


Eh ? what the hell are you talking about ? Israel having the audacity to kill Hamas terrorists preparing to fire rockets ? how dare they! during one of the biggest terrorism sponsor in the region having a visit!
 
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