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2012-10-25 09:41:10 AM
What is it with this Obama guy and pipelines?
 
2012-10-25 10:25:59 AM
It probably works out for the kids in the long run since the education system in prison is much better than it is in mississippi schools
 
2012-10-25 11:18:52 AM
Mississippi Burping (in class).
 
2012-10-25 11:20:15 AM
It's too bad Reconstruction got hamstrung before we could civilize these gorram savages.

/wipes hands on pants
 
2012-10-25 11:24:31 AM
sounds legit. Maybe even too legit to quit.


/hey hey
 
2012-10-25 11:25:26 AM
It's Meridian Mississippi again?

Imagine me not being suprised.
 
2012-10-25 11:25:44 AM
First guess: are the students sent to a state-run penitentiary, or a private for-profit penitentiary?
 
2012-10-25 11:26:06 AM
Mississippi: Please ignore it when we act like children when handling our own kids, its just that our state has too much pp in it!
 
2012-10-25 11:26:37 AM
holy crap. i almost skipped this story based on the headline. i would say this is a case where the headline needs to be more inline with what the story is about rather than trying to be cute.

as far as the story itself, there is a whole lot of effed up things going on, it reminds me of the judge who got kickbacks for sending youths to prison.
 
2012-10-25 11:26:46 AM
Sadly, this is not an isolated case.

These people have no farkin' conscience whatsoever. They fight, 'lawyer-up' and plead for the mercy that they denied the kids just to feed their obsessive need for power, monetary gains and of course, good old blind vengeance.
 
2012-10-25 11:27:06 AM
Bring back the paddle!!
 
2012-10-25 11:32:01 AM
America, fark yeah!
 
2012-10-25 11:32:40 AM
Trolltastic headline, subby.

The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

Not defending this particular school district. I don't know enough. But don't be quick to take the DOJs press release (which is basically what this article is parroting) at face value.
 
2012-10-25 11:32:47 AM
I'm not saying I agree or condone this, but I understand.
 
2012-10-25 11:35:02 AM
Whoa a real life L&O SVU episode
 
2012-10-25 11:35:34 AM
Private prisons pick their prisoners through careful lobbying. They make sure they get all the young healthy people they can get into the prison system early so that they can make profits on them for life. Punishments like solitary confinement are a big boon to the private prison industry because it means they're required to have more space, more buildings, and more employees per prisoner.. all leading to larger profits for these specialized facilities.
 
2012-10-25 11:36:21 AM

keypusher: Trolltastic headline, subby.

The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

Not defending this particular school district. I don't know enough. But don't be quick to take the DOJs press release (which is basically what this article is parroting) at face value.


Cute.

When your demographic is 98% African American and 2% white, then yeah, the black kids will get in trouble more because THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.

But let's pretend you're not a racist.
 
2012-10-25 11:39:04 AM

keypusher: The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.


FTA: About 86% of the district's students are African-American, but all of those referred to the court for violations were minorities, the government suit said.

Damn DOJ crusade, white kids never get in trouble, donchaknow.
 
2012-10-25 11:39:13 AM
"I'm in for aggravated rape and assault. What'd they pick you up for?"

"Sass mouth."
 
2012-10-25 11:39:38 AM
Austin said Wednesday that Meridian is not the only location in the country with such a system.

You can say that again.

My nephew goes to school in Spotsylvania County, Virginia and they have similar craziness. Talking back to teachers, walking away from a teacher when they are talking to you, anything minor like that, is considered "Disorderly conduct" and the SRO (School Resource Officer) will put you in handcuffs and take you to juvie.

See PDF page Page 44 of this guide that Virginia schools use entitled Virginia Juvenile Law Handbook for School Administrators.

A sample:
Code of Virginia § 18.2-415.C. (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-415)
addresses disorderly conduct in schools, defining it as disrupting the operation of any school or
any activity conducted or sponsored by any school, if the disruption (i) prevents or interferes
with the orderly conduct of the operation or activity or (ii) has a direct tendency to cause acts of
violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, the disruption is directed.

D1C - Disrespect (walking away, talking back, etc.)
DCV Definition: Unwillingness to submit to authority or refusal to respond to a reasonable
request. Any act that intentionally disrupts the orderly conduct of a school function. Any
behavior that substantially disrupts the orderly learning environment.

That's right folks, disrespect is now against the law.
 
2012-10-25 11:39:43 AM

keypusher: Trolltastic headline, subby.

The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

Not defending this particular school district. I don't know enough. But don't be quick to take the DOJs press release (which is basically what this article is parroting) at face value.


Their also handing out disparate justice.


(FTFA)
• Children are handcuffed and arrested in school and incarcerated for days at a time without a probable cause hearing.
• Children detained wait more than 48 hours for a hearing, in violation of constitution requirements.
• Children make admissions to formal charges without being advised of their Miranda rights.
• Children are not routinely granted legal representation during the juvenile justice process.

If this is true, it's really disturbing.
 
2012-10-25 11:40:12 AM
"About 86% of the district's students are African-American, but all of those referred to the court for violations were minorities, the government suit said."


So all of the kids referred to the court were white???


That sounds racist.
 
2012-10-25 11:40:20 AM
i am stunned to see an article like this associated with a mainstream news source. Are we finally going to acknowledge that these kinds of constitutional and human rights violations are rampant in American society?

the_geek is so right about the carefully chosen population groups. Targeting school children because it teaches not only those who are incarcerated, but also those left behind that they do not have constitutional and human rights nor should they expect them. The for-profit prison industry needs as many people as possible to be of this mind set before reaching legal adulthood.
 
2012-10-25 11:41:25 AM

Lunaville: i am stunned to see an article like this associated with a mainstream news source. Are we finally going to acknowledge that these kinds of constitutional and human rights violations are rampant in American society?

the_geek is so right about the carefully chosen population groups. Targeting school children is especially important because it teaches, not only those who are incarcerated, but also those left behind that they do not have constitutional and human rights nor should they expect them. The for-profit prison industry needs as many people as possible to be of this mind set before reaching legal adulthood.


Sorry.
 
2012-10-25 11:42:12 AM

Diogenes: "I'm in for aggravated rape and assault. What'd they pick you up for?"

"Sass mouth."


"Litterin'."
 
2012-10-25 11:42:23 AM

pete1729: • Children are handcuffed and arrested in school and incarcerated for days at a time without a probable cause hearing.
• Children detained wait more than 48 hours for a hearing, in violation of constitution requirements.
• Children make admissions to formal charges without being advised of their Miranda rights.
• Children are not routinely granted legal representation during the juvenile justice process.


Why are you carrying water for the DOJ witchhunt? States rights! STATES RIGHTS!
 
2012-10-25 11:42:57 AM
Mississippi. That explains a lot. There is no reason for denying these kids the rights afforded to them under the Laws of the US. Especially when the politicians f**ked up the school system to begin with.

So, where was the NAACP when all of this was happening and the very outspoken Jessie Jackson?
 
2012-10-25 11:43:14 AM
Hm. They're making a pretty credible case for domestic drone strikes.
 
2012-10-25 11:44:05 AM

keypusher: Trolltastic headline, subby.

The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

Not defending this particular school district. I don't know enough. But don't be quick to take the DOJs press release (which is basically what this article is parroting) at face value.


Looks like the DOJ is a lot more concerned about the due process violations than the racial aspect.
 
2012-10-25 11:44:07 AM

theorellior: pete1729: • Children are handcuffed and arrested in school and incarcerated for days at a time without a probable cause hearing.
• Children detained wait more than 48 hours for a hearing, in violation of constitution requirements.
• Children make admissions to formal charges without being advised of their Miranda rights.
• Children are not routinely granted legal representation during the juvenile justice process.

Why are you carrying water for the DOJ witchhunt? States rights! STATES RIGHTS!


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2012-10-25 11:44:45 AM
Did they wake up picking cotton?
Then they weren't too efficient.

I've seen their agenda.
 
2012-10-25 11:49:16 AM
Where are the parents, the ACLU, the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson when all of this is happening? Seriously, who the hell let's their child go through a criminal prosecution and incarceration with no lawyer or parent present and then does not raise mortal hell to the press and politicians about it? Are there zombies raising kids down there? I promise that if I found out someone put handcuffs on my child, took them to a lockup, and then even thought about talking to them without myself and an attorney present, the DOJ would not be the ones suing!
 
2012-10-25 11:50:00 AM
Another use school systems can make of this technique: (Non-cool story, bro, involving my nephew in a small Columbus suburb):

He's 10, in the district's one special-ed class (for the "emotionally disturbed").
He throws a book at an aide during a tantrum (which I won't defend).
They arrest and book him on felony charges of assaulting a teacher.
This on the day of an IEP renewal meeting; his mom found out from cops at the meeting.
They tell her the charges will go away if she moves out of the district.

So the juvie system can be a useful tool to make sure you can run a special-ed class of low-need students (pocketing the Federal subsidies that come along with them), while not having to keep pesky high-need special-ed students around.

I'm a bit fuzzy on exactly what particular legal shiatstorm hit the district, but the district now pays to send the child to an out-of-district private school, where he's doing fine.
 
2012-10-25 11:51:22 AM

theorellior: keypusher: The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

FTA: About 86% of the district's students are African-American, but all of those referred to the court for violations were minorities, the government suit said.

Damn DOJ crusade, white kids never get in trouble, donchaknow.



Whites are the minority.
 
2012-10-25 11:52:06 AM
There's a school employee, in those schools every day, in possession of *handcuffs*?
FFS. That, by itself, is insane. Absolute insanity.

The only sorts of events that call for handcuffs also call for a damn peace officer to apply their judgement.
(Not that they're perfectly educated in the law, perfectly apply the law, or perfectly comply with the law -- but I'm certain they will do a damn site better than some tin-pot dictator in the vice-principal's office who spends his days trying to eradicate swearing and rap music.)

The rest of it is only horrifying icing on a depraved cake.
The parents in the district who haven't raised hell and/or moved are goddamned monsters.
 
2012-10-25 11:52:20 AM
This is Mississippi, folks. Prison is the higher education institution.

/this is not Sparta, Mississippi, though
alltheseworlds.net
 
2012-10-25 11:53:00 AM

Amos Quito: theorellior: keypusher: The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

FTA: About 86% of the district's students are African-American, but all of those referred to the court for violations were minorities, the government suit said.

Damn DOJ crusade, white kids never get in trouble, donchaknow.


Whites are the minority.


Just what the man wants you to think. You sheep

Whitey rules the world.
 
2012-10-25 11:54:33 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: Another use school systems can make of this technique: (Non-cool story, bro, involving my nephew in a small Columbus suburb):

He's 10, in the district's one special-ed class (for the "emotionally disturbed").
He throws a book at an aide during a tantrum (which I won't defend).
They arrest and book him on felony charges of assaulting a teacher.
This on the day of an IEP renewal meeting; his mom found out from cops at the meeting.
They tell her the charges will go away if she moves out of the district.

So the juvie system can be a useful tool to make sure you can run a special-ed class of low-need students (pocketing the Federal subsidies that come along with them), while not having to keep pesky high-need special-ed students around.

I'm a bit fuzzy on exactly what particular legal shiatstorm hit the district, but the district now pays to send the child to an out-of-district private school, where he's doing fine.


Yes, excellent point. I have a friend who is a Reading Specialist. She tutors kids in the public school system. The budget has been tight for a while and she has been forbidden to recommend any child for dyslexia testing because the school system does not want to pay for the testing and subsequent intervention for any child diagnosed with dyslexia.
 
2012-10-25 11:57:04 AM

ringersol: There's a school employee, in those schools every day, in possession of *handcuffs*?


Most public schools have a uniformed officer on duty. He is called a Safety Officer and parents are often told he is there in case there is an incident with an intruder.
 
2012-10-25 11:57:42 AM

Amos Quito: Whites are the minority.


Oh, FFS. Being disingenuous might work for nubile young women with come-hither looks, but you're failing in that particular category.
 
2012-10-25 12:01:26 PM

Teresaol31: Where are the parents, the ACLU, the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson when all of this is happening? Seriously, who the hell let's their child go through a criminal prosecution and incarceration with no lawyer or parent present and then does not raise mortal hell to the press and politicians about it? Are there zombies raising kids down there? I promise that if I found out someone put handcuffs on my child, took them to a lockup, and then even thought about talking to them without myself and an attorney present, the DOJ would not be the ones suing!


That's why I'm wondering how accurate this is. Surely some parent would have realized the potential for a million dollar lawsuit if the accusations are true. Either it's not really the whole story (like those arrested were involved in actual crimes or something) or it's nowhere near as widespread as they're implying (maybe one or two kids). I still think there should be a major investigation and maybe charges filed if there is any truth to this, but it just seems like there's a lot missing from this story.
 
2012-10-25 12:05:37 PM
Mississippi: Making Alabama look better since 1817
 
2012-10-25 12:08:13 PM
> *"He is called a Safety Officer and parents are often told he is there in case there is an incident with an intruder."*

Yeah and most of *them* are explicitly forbidden from becoming involved in a student/teacher situation that doesn't involve physical violence.
For a good damn reason.
 
2012-10-25 12:08:54 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Teresaol31: Where are the parents, the ACLU, the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson when all of this is happening? Seriously, who the hell let's their child go through a criminal prosecution and incarceration with no lawyer or parent present and then does not raise mortal hell to the press and politicians about it? Are there zombies raising kids down there? I promise that if I found out someone put handcuffs on my child, took them to a lockup, and then even thought about talking to them without myself and an attorney present, the DOJ would not be the ones suing!

That's why I'm wondering how accurate this is. Surely some parent would have realized the potential for a million dollar lawsuit if the accusations are true. Either it's not really the whole story (like those arrested were involved in actual crimes or something) or it's nowhere near as widespread as they're implying (maybe one or two kids). I still think there should be a major investigation and maybe charges filed if there is any truth to this, but it just seems like there's a lot missing from this story.


Pffft. You underestimate the power those locals have. Most of these cases never see the light of day. Even in this day and age.

For example, that movie "The Help"? That wasn't a period piece. It was a documentary that took 45 years to come to light.
 
2012-10-25 12:11:18 PM

BronyMedic: keypusher: Trolltastic headline, subby.

The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

Not defending this particular school district. I don't know enough. But don't be quick to take the DOJs press release (which is basically what this article is parroting) at face value.

Cute.

When your demographic is 98% African American and 2% white, then yeah, the black kids will get in trouble more because THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.

But let's pretend you're not a racist.




And now for your entertainment, BronyMedic will rationalize the following:


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Source
 
2012-10-25 12:12:59 PM

Teresaol31: Where are the parents, the ACLU, the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson when all of this is happening?


Not in Mississippi. Of the four, the closest would be Sharpton, and he only bellows from a distance when one of those racist hurricanes hits.
 
2012-10-25 12:16:55 PM

Amos Quito: BronyMedic: keypusher: Trolltastic headline, subby.

The DOJ is on a crusade against racially disparate discipline rates in schools. But it doesn't appear to acknowledge that the races do, in fact, break school rules at "disparate" rates.

Not defending this particular school district. I don't know enough. But don't be quick to take the DOJs press release (which is basically what this article is parroting) at face value.

Cute.

When your demographic is 98% African American and 2% white, then yeah, the black kids will get in trouble more because THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.

But let's pretend you're not a racist.



And now for your entertainment, BronyMedic will rationalize the following:


[upload.wikimedia.org image 430x327] 

Source


You're right Amos. I'm just a whitey with Jew guilt. Crime is not a complex, multifactoral problem with a root in socioeconomic disparity and poor education levels combined with absent parenting, among other things. Juries don't perform disparate sentencing based on race and socioeconomic status, and improperly punish guilty blacks more than Hispanics.

Your chart totally proves that crime is dependant on race.

/wow. I guess you go full retard when it's not about Israel
 
2012-10-25 12:19:37 PM

Walker: My nephew goes to school in Spotsylvania County, Virginia and they have similar craziness. Talking back to teachers, walking away from a teacher when they are talking to you, anything minor like that, is considered "Disorderly conduct" and the SRO (School Resource Officer) will put you in handcuffs and take you to juvie.


I once got one of my students arrested for Disorderly Conduct.

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The girl had just gotten back from a long suspension, and clearly wasn't happy about being back in class. After explaining the material for the day, I asked if there was any questions. She raised her hand and asked "When is the last time you farked your wife?"

The girl had the gall to thank me when I told her to get out of my classroom and head to the vice principal's office. Of course she never showed up where she was supposed to.

An hour later I had somebody covering my class while I signed a formal complaint against the (now crying) girl in handcuffs in the Resource Officer's room.

Unfortunately, that was a rare exception where a kid was stupid enough to clearly step over "The line" where immediate action could be taken.

It also helped that the principal was in a nasty mood that day.
 
2012-10-25 12:20:26 PM

BronyMedic: ...Whitey rules the world.


Never been to Memphrica have you?
 
2012-10-25 12:22:00 PM
I wanted to think that maybe CNN was over hyping it the same way they did the Minden, LA "racial" attack where a girl was set on fire and there was KKK on her car, which was "breaking news" but that covered on the tiny little ticker across the bottom of the screen when it was discovered that the injuries were self inflicted and that the mentally ill young woman had set herself on fire.

Apparently it is not the case though, this has really happened and there are JUDGES implicated in helping to enforce this. God forbid a black child in Meridian, MS had beans for lunch and then shows up for class, because that's a jailing. Sick farking folks down there. http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/doj_suit_claims_miss._town_runs _school-to-prison_pipeline_says_flatulence_c/
http://meridianstar.com/local/x699462636/DOJ-taking-juvenile-justice- s ystem-to-court (that one is the local newspaper in Meridian, and NO it's not a front page story.)

And if you REALLY want to see what sort of jackasses are running the show down there, read the comments section from the local TV station's coverage of the suit. http://www.wtok.com/home/headlines/US-Meridian-arrests-violate-student s-rights-175609721.html
 
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