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2012-10-25 02:04:34 PM
Both kia and hyundai have improved a lot. So not surprised they're having strong quarters.
 
2012-10-25 02:06:06 PM
I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...
 
2012-10-25 02:08:49 PM
What's more shocking is that the US car manufacturers still haven't gotten it through their thick skulls that NOBODY BELIEVES THEM when they talk about quality/reliability because they don't put their money where their mouths are and offer a decent warranty. 3 years 30k miles? What a joke, when you're financing the car for 5-6 years and probably driving 60k miles+ in that timeframe. Why the hell would I commit myself to paying for a car for the next 5 years when the manufacturer is telling me that they anticipate a reasonable likelihood that it will suffer a catastrophic failure requiring major (expensive) repairs before I'm even half done paying for it?
 
2012-10-25 02:11:24 PM

Dog Welder: I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...


I wanted to test drive the Veloster, but they were sold out everywhere. I ended up "settling" for the Sonata turbo - couldn't be happier so far, really great car.
 
2012-10-25 02:19:50 PM

b-ham: Dog Welder: I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...

I wanted to test drive the Veloster, but they were sold out everywhere. I ended up "settling" for the Sonata turbo - couldn't be happier so far, really great car.


I didn't get the Turbo, but the non-Turbo version is a lot of fun. And can't argue with 40mpg.

5 years ago, I never could have imagined buying a Korean car.

And the Sonata is a pretty decent model, too. I know they sell a ton of Sonatas and Elantras, so they must be doing something right.
 
2012-10-25 02:25:00 PM

cefm: What's more shocking is that the US car manufacturers still haven't gotten it through their thick skulls that NOBODY BELIEVES THEM when they talk about quality/reliability because they don't put their money where their mouths are and offer a decent warranty. 3 years 30k miles? What a joke, when you're financing the car for 5-6 years and probably driving 60k miles+ in that timeframe. Why the hell would I commit myself to paying for a car for the next 5 years when the manufacturer is telling me that they anticipate a reasonable likelihood that it will suffer a catastrophic failure requiring major (expensive) repairs before I'm even half done paying for it?


This!

It's the main reason why I bought a Kia Soul (5 year bumper to bumper, 10 yr powertrain warranties). I could have gone with a Hyundai as well, but I wanted a wagon.
 
2012-10-25 02:34:53 PM
Currently convincing the misses to replace my 2000 Saturn with a 2013 Optima.

/One of a small subset of cars I have seen and said "That, THAT is a car I want to drive."
 
2012-10-25 02:38:29 PM
See how wonderful that 10 year warranty is when you actually have to use it.

Google hyundai/kia warranty ripoff if you don't believe me..

//Had a female friend with a dangerously defective kia (steering problems) that was basically told to pound sand by a HUUUUUUGE dealer in upstate New York
 
2012-10-25 02:59:57 PM

dforkus: See how wonderful that 10 year warranty is when you actually have to use it.

Google hyundai/kia warranty ripoff if you don't believe me..

//Had a female friend with a dangerously defective kia (steering problems) that was basically told to pound sand by a HUUUUUUGE dealer in upstate New York


Was she one of those people that heard 10 year/100,000 Mile Powertrain warranty, and just glazed over the "powertrain" part?
 
2012-10-25 03:16:45 PM
I own two and I will probably never buy another sedan from anyone else. I love them. If they ever decide to build a small pickup truck, I may never by any four wheeled vehicle from anyone else.
 
2012-10-25 03:17:55 PM
Hyundai, the golfcart company with an R&D department that consists of a copier, a few artists, and a farkton of IP lawyers. That, and they dont have any presence in the North , much like every other transplant golfcart maker

/Proud owner of a General Motors car that was an original design
//That, and it has more power per dollar than its Hyundai equivalent
 
2012-10-25 03:20:45 PM

JokerMattly: Currently convincing the misses to replace my 2000 Saturn with a 2013 Optima.

/One of a small subset of cars I have seen and said "That, THAT is a car I want to drive."


Go find the original and drive it, since the Optima is a knockoff. At least Saturn didnt base their models off of other manufacturers.
 
2012-10-25 03:23:45 PM
I kind of want to buy a sonata hybrid. anyone have one can comment on it?
 
2012-10-25 03:29:35 PM
Step 1: Steal design cues from better automakers and lowball the price.
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit.
 
2012-10-25 04:35:33 PM
Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK
 
2012-10-25 05:16:47 PM
I drove a Hyundai Accent for 10 years, over 300,000 kms. Awesome car until it was killed by a big, white GMC. New car is another Hyundai Accent. Just crossed 70,000 kms, running as good as ever.

Hyundai is the real deal people.
 
2012-10-25 06:23:01 PM
,000 on my Hyundai Santa Fe - only minor issues fixed under 60k/100k mi warranty.

/My previous Fix Or Repair Daily product had major issues around 60k - steering rack went, electro door-locks both failed near simultaneously - $1000+ repairs each time
//Previous Dodge van ate two transmissions before reaching 100k
///anecdotal, I know, but plenty of bad experiences thus far to make me shy away from "American" cars made from parts made in Mexico and Canada
 
2012-10-25 07:07:56 PM

Dog Welder: I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...


Me too. Turbo.
 
2012-10-25 07:14:56 PM

un4gvn666: Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK


Paid cash for a fully loaded Elantra. $22K.

You don't need to be a millionaire.
 
2012-10-25 08:19:01 PM

Rent Party: un4gvn666: Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK

Paid cash for a fully loaded Elantra. $22K.

You don't need to be a millionaire.


If you're willing to lose $7-9000 of that value in the first 3 - 4 years of owning a car, I choose to believe that you're a millionaire, because the alternative is offensive to my intelligence.
 
2012-10-25 09:38:33 PM
I don't know how accurate JD Power is, but Hyundai was at the top of the customer retention survey. Hyundai must be doing something right.
 
2012-10-25 11:21:49 PM

un4gvn666: Rent Party: un4gvn666: Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK

Paid cash for a fully loaded Elantra. $22K.

You don't need to be a millionaire.

If you're willing to lose $7-9000 of that value in the first 3 - 4 years of owning a car, I choose to believe that you're a millionaire, because the alternative is offensive to my intelligence.


did someone come and steal 9000 of his dollars at the end of 4 years?

I know this is hard to believe, but some of us look at things other than "how much will I be able to sell this for"

I just bought a house, and I know this is crazy, because I want to live in it.

when I buy a new car, it will be because I want to drive it places.

These are my things, not my retirement plan.
 
2012-10-26 12:22:37 AM

SuperT: un4gvn666: Rent Party: un4gvn666: Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK

Paid cash for a fully loaded Elantra. $22K.

You don't need to be a millionaire.

If you're willing to lose $7-9000 of that value in the first 3 - 4 years of owning a car, I choose to believe that you're a millionaire, because the alternative is offensive to my intelligence.

did someone come and steal 9000 of his dollars at the end of 4 years?

I know this is hard to believe, but some of us look at things other than "how much will I be able to sell this for"

I just bought a house, and I know this is crazy, because I want to live in it.

when I buy a new car, it will be because I want to drive it places.

These are my things, not my retirement plan.


gee, why is america in a debt crises.
 
2012-10-26 02:26:16 AM

un4gvn666: Rent Party: un4gvn666: Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK

Paid cash for a fully loaded Elantra. $22K.

You don't need to be a millionaire.

If you're willing to lose $7-9000 of that value in the first 3 - 4 years of owning a car, I choose to believe that you're a millionaire, because the alternative is offensive to my intelligence.


If you buy a car with the intent of not using it up completely, you're a moron. "Resale value" is what car salesmen sell suckers. I drive cars until the wheels fall off, at which point it's value is $0. Then I go buy another one.

And given that the 2005 is working on 150K miles and still going, I'd say it's a deal.
 
2012-10-26 02:27:36 AM

links136:
These are my things, not my retirement plan.

gee, why is america in a debt crises.


I paid cash, sport. No debt involved, except between your ears.
 
2012-10-26 04:22:14 AM

SuperT: I kind of want to buy a sonata hybrid. anyone have one can comment on it?


Just bought one last Friday. Loving pretty much everything about it so far.

Seeing "531 miles to empty" while driving home was pretty satisfying.
 
2012-10-26 08:05:12 AM

Dinobot: Both kia and hyundai have improved a lot. So not surprised they're having strong quarters.


Me too! Silver base model. LOVE it, only 2 complaints-

1. Needs a bit more power. I work the tranny to get a bit more oomph but more power would help
2. For 196 watts the stereo is a bit tame.

Other than that, love it!
 
2012-10-26 08:08:40 AM

This Looks Fun: Dog Welder: I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...

Me too. Turbo.


Did you test drive the non-turbo as well? Just curious how big the difference is. Mine is non-turbo, power is adequate but really could use a bit more.
 
2012-10-26 08:32:44 AM

havana_joe: Dinobot: Both kia and hyundai have improved a lot. So not surprised they're having strong quarters.

Me too! Silver base model. LOVE it, only 2 complaints-

1. Needs a bit more power. I work the tranny to get a bit more oomph but more power would help
2. For 196 watts the stereo is a bit tame.

Other than that, love it!


White Soul+ here.

What year did you get -- cuz starting in 2012, all Kia Souls and Fortes got new transmissions and new engines
 
2012-10-26 08:37:05 AM
I love my Sonata and it runs like a champ. Got a 2012 earlier this year and have already put 14k miles on it and have not had a single issue with it at all, other than the wife wanting to take it all the time.

Got the non-turbo and I love the gas mileage. Made a huge difference over what my Altima got, and I won't even mention prior American cars that I've had as they were all crap and fell apart.
 
2012-10-26 08:49:51 AM

Dinobot: havana_joe: Dinobot: Both kia and hyundai have improved a lot. So not surprised they're having strong quarters.

Me too! Silver base model. LOVE it, only 2 complaints-

1. Needs a bit more power. I work the tranny to get a bit more oomph but more power would help
2. For 196 watts the stereo is a bit tame.

Other than that, love it!

White Soul+ here.

What year did you get -- cuz starting in 2012, all Kia Souls and Fortes got new transmissions and new engines


2012 Veloster, base model. 1.6 liter GDI. The engine seems strong enough but the transmission really goes for MPG, it gets you in the lower gears a bit early. That being said, I'm averaging 32.5 MPG overall and that is mixed city and highway driving. I use the auto-stick when I want to get a little more performance out of it, but for a sporty looking car it really doesn't perform like one. Love it overall though.
 
2012-10-26 09:19:35 AM

links136: SuperT: un4gvn666: Rent Party: un4gvn666: Apparently a lot of millionaires, able to afford the massive depreciation on a new car, frequent FARK.com.

TMYK

Paid cash for a fully loaded Elantra. $22K.

You don't need to be a millionaire.

If you're willing to lose $7-9000 of that value in the first 3 - 4 years of owning a car, I choose to believe that you're a millionaire, because the alternative is offensive to my intelligence.

did someone come and steal 9000 of his dollars at the end of 4 years?

I know this is hard to believe, but some of us look at things other than "how much will I be able to sell this for"

I just bought a house, and I know this is crazy, because I want to live in it.

when I buy a new car, it will be because I want to drive it places.

These are my things, not my retirement plan.

gee, why is america in a debt crises.


how is buying things without the intent to re-sell them debt? I spend 40$ or so for a nice dinner every other month or so, I can't resell it, so I shouldn't have bought that?

and we aren't in a debt crisis. Sovereign debt is not your household budget. and honestly, it's not real debt. When you owe the bank a billion dollars, the bank has a problem. The full faith and credit of the US federal government is the safest bet on planet earth, backed up by the might and fury of the united states navy.
 
2012-10-26 09:20:38 AM

Da Bum: I love my Sonata and it runs like a champ. Got a 2012 earlier this year and have already put 14k miles on it and have not had a single issue with it at all, other than the wife wanting to take it all the time.

Got the non-turbo and I love the gas mileage. Made a huge difference over what my Altima got, and I won't even mention prior American cars that I've had as they were all crap and fell apart.


That's really nice, my Kia doesn't get that good combined MPG, but it has the aerodynamics of a shoebox so it's kinda expected.

Like I said, I was looking at Hyundais before the Kias, but settled for the Soul Wagon... it has tons of space, even in the backseat, so I went with that.
 
2012-10-26 09:22:51 AM

havana_joe: Dinobot: havana_joe: Dinobot: Both kia and hyundai have improved a lot. So not surprised they're having strong quarters.

Me too! Silver base model. LOVE it, only 2 complaints-

1. Needs a bit more power. I work the tranny to get a bit more oomph but more power would help
2. For 196 watts the stereo is a bit tame.

Other than that, love it!

White Soul+ here.

What year did you get -- cuz starting in 2012, all Kia Souls and Fortes got new transmissions and new engines

2012 Veloster, base model. 1.6 liter GDI. The engine seems strong enough but the transmission really goes for MPG, it gets you in the lower gears a bit early. That being said, I'm averaging 32.5 MPG overall and that is mixed city and highway driving. I use the auto-stick when I want to get a little more performance out of it, but for a sporty looking car it really doesn't perform like one. Love it overall though.


That's really nice, my Kia doesn't get that good combined MPG, but it has the aerodynamics of a shoebox so it's kinda expected.

Like I said, I was looking at Hyundais before the Kias, but settled for the Soul Wagon... it has tons of space, even in the backseat, so I went with that.


@ Da Bum -- it seems my reply derped the first time around.
 
2012-10-26 11:08:11 AM

Dinobot: havana_joe: Dinobot: havana_joe: Dinobot: Both kia and hyundai have improved a lot. So not surprised they're having strong quarters.

Me too! Silver base model. LOVE it, only 2 complaints-

1. Needs a bit more power. I work the tranny to get a bit more oomph but more power would help
2. For 196 watts the stereo is a bit tame.

Other than that, love it!

White Soul+ here.

What year did you get -- cuz starting in 2012, all Kia Souls and Fortes got new transmissions and new engines

2012 Veloster, base model. 1.6 liter GDI. The engine seems strong enough but the transmission really goes for MPG, it gets you in the lower gears a bit early. That being said, I'm averaging 32.5 MPG overall and that is mixed city and highway driving. I use the auto-stick when I want to get a little more performance out of it, but for a sporty looking car it really doesn't perform like one. Love it overall though.

That's really nice, my Kia doesn't get that good combined MPG, but it has the aerodynamics of a shoebox so it's kinda expected.

Like I said, I was looking at Hyundais before the Kias, but settled for the Soul Wagon... it has tons of space, even in the backseat, so I went with that.


@ Da Bum -- it seems my reply derped the first time around.


My co-worker has a Soul and he loves it. Korean cars really seem to be top-shelf these days!
 
2012-10-26 12:38:59 PM

havana_joe: This Looks Fun: Dog Welder: I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...

Me too. Turbo.

Did you test drive the non-turbo as well? Just curious how big the difference is. Mine is non-turbo, power is adequate but really could use a bit more.


Nah. I test drove the automatic Turbo, which was garbage: horrible shifting intelligence. My car before was an 05 Corolla which has comparable weight/power to the N/A Veloster. I would say the Turbo (M/T) feels like it has about twice the acceleration from a stop and at speed when downshifting. But I'm not very technical, so I can't really say for sure how much faster it is. I still kind of miss my 35+ mpg a little (especially with the slightly smaller tank), but as long as I'm driving, I'm having too much fun to notice the mpg. Getting between 29 and 34 right now.
 
2012-10-26 01:19:44 PM

This Looks Fun: havana_joe: This Looks Fun: Dog Welder: I just bought a Hyundai Veloster last quarter, so really getting a kick...

Me too. Turbo.

Did you test drive the non-turbo as well? Just curious how big the difference is. Mine is non-turbo, power is adequate but really could use a bit more.

Nah. I test drove the automatic Turbo, which was garbage: horrible shifting intelligence. My car before was an 05 Corolla which has comparable weight/power to the N/A Veloster. I would say the Turbo (M/T) feels like it has about twice the acceleration from a stop and at speed when downshifting. But I'm not very technical, so I can't really say for sure how much faster it is. I still kind of miss my 35+ mpg a little (especially with the slightly smaller tank), but as long as I'm driving, I'm having too much fun to notice the mpg. Getting between 29 and 34 right now.


Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission. Here are my observations:
1. In standard automatic mode the shifting intelligence is bad. Sometimes when you give it hard gas it does not know what to do and either has a delay of a few seconds or it jumps 2-3 gears and almost redlines
2. With using the auto-stick or shift paddles response is much better but I lose MPG because I keep it around the 3,000 RPM range which seems to give me the best response for passing. 3rd and 4th gears seem to be the best gears. 1st gear is useless, even 2nd isn't great, and 5th and 6th are only useful on the highway although you get into 6th at any speed above 35 MPH. I wish it only had 5 gears and the range was distributed more evenly!
3. The Econ mode is terrible- it makes the automatic shifting even worse, although you do get around 2-3 more MPG around town in automatic mode.
I've had mine since June and since then I'm averaging 32.5 MPG (I track my miles and my gas purchases). That's with about 70% highways and 30% city driving. 65 MPH in 6th gear gives the best MPG, I start seeing 38-40+ MPG on the info screen at that point.
Also, even though I've read this isn't true I DO see an increase in power and MPG after a bottle of Techron. The GDI seems to like higher octane gas as well.
Not thrilled with the sooty exhaust, either! But overall I do like the car.
 
2012-10-26 02:17:36 PM

havana_joe: Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission.


Your complaints seem to mirror those of the people that own the new Ford Focus, which coincidentally also has the dual clutch transmission.
 
2012-10-26 02:20:40 PM

Dinobot: havana_joe: Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission.

Your complaints seem to mirror those of the people that own the new Ford Focus, which coincidentally also has the dual clutch transmission.


It's a great concept, but poor execution. I'm forced to drive it as auto-stick most of the the time!
 
2012-10-26 02:34:20 PM

havana_joe: Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission. Here are my observations:
1. In standard automatic mode the shifting intelligence is bad. Sometimes when you give it hard gas it does not know what to do and either has a delay of a few seconds or it jumps 2-3 gears and almost redlines

Yeah; the shift intelligence on my 93 Civic DX was smarter. I haven't heard anyone say anything that sounds like "I like the decisions the A/T makes for me; I'm glad they made it this way," which tells me that not a lot of research was done on this. Oddly, my wife's 10 Elantra A/T is much better. I think they're out-smarting themselves with the economy/performance dichotomy. They should really let the driver pick his/her preference like they used to: by the amount of pressure on the gas-pedal.

2. With using the auto-stick or shift paddles response is much better but I lose MPG because I keep it around the 3,000 RPM range which seems to give me the best response for passing. 3rd and 4th gears seem to be the best gears. 1st gear is useless, even 2nd isn't great, and 5th and 6th are only useful on the highway although you get into 6th at any speed above 35 MPH. I wish it only had 5 gears and the range was distributed more evenly!


With the Turbo M/T, 2nd for city and 4th for highway over-taking are awesome. I can't really say for the A/T. I test-drover it, got about 2 miles after trying to accelerate quickly and turned around. It felt so unresponsive it was unsafe.

You should visit Veloster.org for a really good community and tons of resources for questions on both N/A and Turbo. I've seen several good discussions regarding the A/T and tips for getting the best economy/performance balance.

I've had mine since June and since then I'm averaging 32.5 MPG (I track my miles and my gas purchases). That's with about 70% highways and 30% city driving.65 MPH in 6th gear gives the best MPG, I start seeing 38-40+ MPG on the info screen at that point.

Oddly, I'm seeing very similar numbers w/cruise on around 65mph. If you're driving calmly on the highway and doing most of your driving there, it's pretty comparable. I do my worst in the city from light to light. Down in the 20's at that point.

Also, even though I've read this isn't true I DO see an increase in power and MPG after a bottle of Techron. The GDI seems to like higher octane gas as well.

I might try a fuel agent; haven't yet. From what I understand, the octane rating may increase your mpg, but it won't increase your mpd (miles per dollar). The engine isn't high compression enough to need it and the cost differential isn't low enough to put the benefits in your pocket.

Not thrilled with the sooty exhaust, either! But overall I do like the car.


Haven't noticed, but I've definitely seen this comment before.

/Sorry for the verbose response.
 
2012-10-26 02:51:03 PM

This Looks Fun: havana_joe: Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission. Here are my observations:
1. In standard automatic mode the shifting intelligence is bad. Sometimes when you give it hard gas it does not know what to do and either has a delay of a few seconds or it jumps 2-3 gears and almost redlines

Yeah; the shift intelligence on my 93 Civic DX was smarter. I haven't heard anyone say anything that sounds like "I like the decisions the A/T makes for me; I'm glad they made it this way," which tells me that not a lot of research was done on this. Oddly, my wife's 10 Elantra A/T is much better. I think they're out-smarting themselves with the economy/performance dichotomy. They should really let the driver pick his/her preference like they used to: by the amount of pressure on the gas-pedal.

2. With using the auto-stick or shift paddles response is much better but I lose MPG because I keep it around the 3,000 RPM range which seems to give me the best response for passing. 3rd and 4th gears seem to be the best gears. 1st gear is useless, even 2nd isn't great, and 5th and 6th are only useful on the highway although you get into 6th at any speed above 35 MPH. I wish it only had 5 gears and the range was distributed more evenly!

With the Turbo M/T, 2nd for city and 4th for highway over-taking are awesome. I can't really say for the A/T. I test-drover it, got about 2 miles after trying to accelerate quickly and turned around. It felt so unresponsive it was unsafe.

You should visit Veloster.org for a really good community and tons of resources for questions on both N/A and Turbo. I've seen several good discussions regarding the A/T and tips for getting the best economy/performance balance.

I've had mine since June and since then I'm averaging 32.5 MPG (I track my miles and my gas purchases). That's with about 70% highways and 30% city driving.65 MPH in 6th gear gives the best MPG, I start seeing 38-40+ MPG on the info screen at t ...


Thank you for the information! How do you feel about the stereo system? I'm not one who likes so much bass that I go bouncing down the street but I do like my music to be accurate. I have the stock system (196 watt, no subwoofer) and I find it to be lacking, although I found that if I give up on trying to get good bass response and just reduce the bass to -3 and reduce the treble to -2 and bump up midrange to +2 the sound quality is better. Certainly more accurate once you cut out the tinny treble and muddy bass.
 
2012-10-26 03:10:16 PM

havana_joe: Thank you for the information! How do you feel about the stereo system? I'm not one who likes so much bass that I go bouncing down the street but I do like my music to be accurate. I have the stock system (196 watt, no subwoofer) and I find it to be lacking, although I found that if I give up on trying to get good bass response and just reduce the bass to -3 and reduce the treble to -2 and bump up midrange to +2 the sound quality is better. Certainly more accurate once you cut out the tinny treble and muddy bass.


Yeah no problem. I love talking about my VT and all of my friends are pretty much done with it :) As for music, man... I'm all over the map with music. I can enjoy Taylor Swift and most of the crap on the XM hip Hip stations. I certainly haven't had any complaints myself about the sound, but I'm not much of a technical listener. I just can't stand rattle and hiss, so as long as I'm not getting that, I'm fine. I do feel like I could describe some of the louder bass as muddy though, so I might try your settings out. I got the Ultimate Package, so it does have the sub; not sure how much difference that might make. What style of music do you listen to most for your settings to be at peak satisfaction?
 
2012-10-26 03:24:16 PM

This Looks Fun: havana_joe: Thank you for the information! How do you feel about the stereo system? I'm not one who likes so much bass that I go bouncing down the street but I do like my music to be accurate. I have the stock system (196 watt, no subwoofer) and I find it to be lacking, although I found that if I give up on trying to get good bass response and just reduce the bass to -3 and reduce the treble to -2 and bump up midrange to +2 the sound quality is better. Certainly more accurate once you cut out the tinny treble and muddy bass.

Yeah no problem. I love talking about my VT and all of my friends are pretty much done with it :) As for music, man... I'm all over the map with music. I can enjoy Taylor Swift and most of the crap on the XM hip Hip stations. I certainly haven't had any complaints myself about the sound, but I'm not much of a technical listener. I just can't stand rattle and hiss, so as long as I'm not getting that, I'm fine. I do feel like I could describe some of the louder bass as muddy though, so I might try your settings out. I got the Ultimate Package, so it does have the sub; not sure how much difference that might make. What style of music do you listen to most for your settings to be at peak satisfaction?


Oh yeah, I love talking about my V as well.
My music is also all over the place- from the 20's to 2012, everything from Jazz to Classical to Rap to Rock.

I'd say mostly 70's rock and a lot of 90's pop. But really very mixed. I use the USB port for my music, around 1450 songs on a 16 GB flash drive. I also keep a CD-R of around 150 of my favorite songs as well.

If the sub is tuned correctly and powerful enough you shouldn't really know that it's there- it should be seamless. You simply hear/feel the very deepest bass notes and the music sounds very full and accurate. If you shut if off your music should sound fine but missing something. At least that is how my home system is setup. The sub adds to the fullness of the sound, it does not overtake it or make itself noticeable.

Poor subwoofer settings make the bass muddy and boomy. I'd rather cut that out and have accurate mids and highs than poor bass! Plus due to road noise you won't likely hear a lot of bass while driving, unless you have a lot of subwoofer power. A single 8" sub probably will blend into the road noise at highway speeds.
 
2012-10-26 04:52:46 PM

havana_joe: Dinobot: havana_joe: Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission.

Your complaints seem to mirror those of the people that own the new Ford Focus, which coincidentally also has the dual clutch transmission.

It's a great concept, but poor execution. I'm forced to drive it as auto-stick most of the the time!


Actually, my kia soul also has it... my main beef is how badly it behaves when downshifting when I'm trying to coast to a stop sign/red light... other than that I am good, but then again, I am a slow driver...
 
2012-10-26 10:29:12 PM

Dinobot: havana_joe: Dinobot: havana_joe: Thanks for the info! I have the N/A automatic. I'm not a fan of the dual-clutch transmission.

Your complaints seem to mirror those of the people that own the new Ford Focus, which coincidentally also has the dual clutch transmission.

It's a great concept, but poor execution. I'm forced to drive it as auto-stick most of the the time!

Actually, my kia soul also has it... my main beef is how badly it behaves when downshifting when I'm trying to coast to a stop sign/red light... other than that I am good, but then again, I am a slow driver...


My biggest issue is when it gets confused when I have to hit the gas hard, like coming on an on ramp. It delays for a few seconds and then almost red-lines, but goes right past the power band. Shifting it manually in auto-stick fixes that.
 
2012-10-29 12:04:41 AM

Semi-Sane: I don't know how accurate JD Power is, but Hyundai was at the top of the customer retention survey. Hyundai must be doing something right.


It isnt car manufacturing since all they do is copy everyone else on the planet.
 
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