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2012-10-25 10:06:22 AM  
I used to date a girl in the air force. She was always ultra careful about that. She said that by enlisting she agreed that her body was property of the air force so if they say you can't get preggers they mean it.
 
2012-10-25 10:06:40 AM  

neenerist: craig328: So...war against women liars anyone?

Entitlement so thick you can cut it with a knife.....


Maybe. I'm just not entirely convinced that if the commander in chief subscribed to a different political philosophy that he wouldn't be in the media crosshairs over this while he was going about claiming his political opponent is waging a war against women is all.

I'm betting the discharged young lady is wishing today that she'd gone gay. That way, she could keep her commission and her scholarship and nobody from the military would have even asked.
 
2012-10-25 10:07:54 AM  

RugNug: Lunaville: Izunbacol: - if you find yourself in the single-parent boat after you're already in, you better have a Family Care Plan: you must have a local/short term, and a long term provider who will be able to take the kids at a moment's notice if you have short notice orders.

Does this mean that a male, who loses his wife to a car wreck or cancer, would have to have a log term provider? Would he not be dismissed/allowed to depart from the military in order to care for his family?

Those are the options. Maintain a family care plan or be discharged. It is usually an honorable discharge too, unless you've got other issues.


Yeah, the honorable-ness of the discharge depends on why it happens. If you lose your wife because of cancer and decide to take the kids, they'd be very helpful. If you covered up a divorce until after you received, say, expensive training that automatically upped your commitment, then they'd give zero farks.
 
2012-10-25 10:08:25 AM  
Now I'm forced to wonder what the policy is if the woman was married, had a kid and her husband died.

She's still a single mom. Does she get shiatcanned then as well?
 
2012-10-25 10:10:26 AM  

sprawl15: Lunaville: I'm female. I'm a Mom. I consider myself to be fairly feminist. And I am absolutely okay with the decision to dismiss this young lady from the military. A child does not raise itself. Any single parent, whether it is a single Mom or a Dad who is a widower, for instance; should be released from military duty so that child can have a parent.

I know with service academies it wasn't gender based - you generally weren't allowed to be married and attend, and if you got a girl pregnant while there they'd boot you just as quickly as if you were the one who became pregnant. Not sure how it goes for ROTC or enlistments, but I'd imagine it's very very similar.


ROTC when I was in college was like that. Guy or Girl.

You couldn't get married. You get preggo, or knock someone up, then in the eyes of the military, you can't handle your shiat.
 
2012-10-25 10:12:39 AM  
Okay, hotigneous is trolling. Bye bye.

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2012-10-25 10:14:35 AM  

craig328: Now I'm forced to wonder what the policy is if the woman was married, had a kid and her husband died.

She's still a single mom. Does she get shiatcanned then as well?


Of course not.
 
2012-10-25 10:15:23 AM  
I think it's time to leave this thread... No one's reading anything anyway, except for the bountiful troll bait.
 
2012-10-25 10:15:58 AM  

whosits_112: Shove that authoritarian shiat up your ass. She found out 2 weeks before, and told them 6 months later that she was pregnant. I have no sympathy for her actions.


So noted.
It's also important to note that your opinion neither matters nor counts for purposes of argument.
And yes, authoritarian followers never need produce original thoughts. Just run with the rats and screw everybody else, including single moms. This sort of attitude is exactly why this young woman will be better off out of the military. She'll take her awesome education and have a great career.
 
2012-10-25 10:16:39 AM  

Fark It: Is the policy fair to single parents? No. Is it fair to their children and the U.S. taxpayer? Yes.


As an Army brat, I absolutely agree with this.
 
2012-10-25 10:17:18 AM  

Lunaville: I'm female. I'm a Mom. I consider myself to be fairly feminist. And I am absolutely okay with the decision to dismiss this young lady from the military. A child does not raise itself. Any single parent, whether it is a single Mom or a Dad who is a widower, for instance; should be released from military duty so that child can have a parent.

If an individual feels strongly that military service is more important in his or her life than parenting his or her child, then that individual should place the child for adoption. The child might be adopted by his or her grandparents rather than placed with an entirely new family, but custody of the child should be transferred to someone who is willing to do the work of parenting the child.

The well-meaning, but misguided attorney representing this young lady does not fully understand what the consequences could be should she win this case. Imagine not just unwed parents, but individuals who have lost a spouse facing not the privilege, but the requirement to remain in the military and thus being deprived of the right to parent his or her child. I feel confident that it would be a very short walk from allowing single parents to requiring single parents to remain in the military. This young lady and her attorney think they are advocating for womens' rights. Really, they are advocating for the destruction of parental rights for both men and women. This young woman and her attorney are probably good, decent people with good intentions, but they are wrong and, per my grandmother, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Very well said!
 
2012-10-25 10:17:46 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Okay, hotigneous is trolling. Bye bye.

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That means I'm winning.
 
2012-10-25 10:18:04 AM  

MythDragon: "If Ms. Edmonds had reported her pregnancy she would have been placed on medical recheck status until she gave birth. At that time she would have been been able to commission if she were not a single parent, for example, if she were married, or had given the child up for adoption."


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It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You got pregnant! You have a kid that the Air Force now has to worry about, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day, ma'am!


I totally read "she would have been placed on medical redneck status"

/i had a lolz
 
2012-10-25 10:19:11 AM  
"Hey mom, will you raise my kid for me? It's really getting in the way of what I want to do."
fark her and her stupid choices.
 
2012-10-25 10:20:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: whosits_112: Hey, jackass, we aren't hating on her for being a woman and having a kid. We are discussing how this woman failed the terms of her contract and is being released because of it. Read the freakin' contract. If she had told them THE EXACT MOMENT she had found out instead of waiting months AFTER she had been comissioned, they probably would havebeen lenient and accomodating. But she didn't. She screwed up, and now she pays the price.

Ooooh, ah. The good old imperial authoritarian beat down!
She found out two weeks before she got her commission.
So the fark what?
She's an Air Force nurse.
Let her serve, a-holes.
The biggest danger she'll ever face in her career will be dodging golf balls shot by the doctors and jet jocks after Mongolian barbecue at the Officer's Club or whatever politically correct thing they're calling them nowadays.


I have a desire to comfort you but that can't be done over the internet and any attempt might be misconstrued as mockery. So, I'll just point out that FormerFloozy and I are females. I doubt either of us hates females.

I personally don't advocate punishing the young lady in the article, beyond dismissing her from the military, for having a baby. Nor do I advocate taking mass cheek swabs, hunting down baby-Daddy, and punishing him for knocking boots.

Someone up-thread has already accurately determined that I've never served in the military. Still, I do believe your assumption that nurses are never deployed to dangerous zones is incorrect. I believe we still use field hospitals. I believe those field hospitals require nurses to operate and are frequently located in dangerous areas. One of you veterans jump in here and add some accuracy and detail to this assertion.

Last, the needs of the child are paramount. I'm okay with her having the baby. I'm okay with her placing the baby for adoption or retaining custody of the baby. However, if she chooses to keep her baby then I expect her to commit to parenting the baby. It all revolves around the word parent which is a verb.

Also, as a nurse, she'll be fine. She can pick up a weekend only shift at a hospital working 12 to 16 hour days on Friday, Saturday and Sunday while the grandparents babysit. That will allow her the remainder of her week to spend with her child. She'll make a decent wage and she'll have invaluable time with her son.
 
2012-10-25 10:20:20 AM  

Lunaville: We maybe shouldn't go there considering the number of secret marriages that have happened in among these cadets. I know my own in-laws were married before my husbands Dad was even dropped off in Annapolis. The same is true of hubbys' paternal grandparents. Everyone knows some of these little guys are getting married almost the minute they're fully potty-trained and people look the other way because their own parents and grandparents did it also once upon a time.


Eh, they really won't do significant digging if you keep it very quiet, but that's far from a guarantee. It's similar to being gay under DADT; having anyone find out in any degree is a risk, especially when it came to higher ups.
 
2012-10-25 10:21:01 AM  

FTDA: I feel confident that it would be a very short walk from allowing single parents to requiring single parents to remain in the military.


They signed a contract, RIGHT?
Why would that be wrong?

When uncle sugar spends tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to train someone, that person should be allowed to serve, regardless of orientation or parental or marital status. To do anything else is to perpetuate useless and wasteful and biased policies.
Parents can do anything a non-parent can do.
 
2012-10-25 10:21:09 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback:
Re-read my last paragraph about the amazing coincidence. It would be very easy to make the plausible case that she always intended to get pregnant post-school/pre-serve and thus the original signing of the contract was indeed fraudulent, since she never intended to fulfill her side of the bargain but wanted to receive the benefit of the funding.


That's my impression. As staed by others, there are way to game the system in regards to being pregnant (or thousands of other medical conditions), but first you have to be IN the system. People just on the cusp of getting into the system who suddenly develop medical issues are quickly shown the door. It's not news when annually hundreds of enlistments and commisions are medically withdrawn. She discovers that she'll probably have to pay back her scholarship (since pregnancy isn't like suddenly developing asthma), so she's got to make a racket somehow.
 
2012-10-25 10:21:39 AM  
But they do the same thing to men who get pregnant, so, it's fair.
 
2012-10-25 10:22:31 AM  
I think the policy against single parents is a bit antiquated and harsh (it would make more sense to just require that a responsible party sign on to take care of the kid, even if they aren't married to the mother) but this girl is either extremely stupid or dishonest and unprofessional. I'm betting on the latter, but in either case, she does not deserve her scholarship or her position.

I am not in the military, nor do I have immediate family in the military (as she does) and *I* know you are required to disclose any changes in your health when you are seeking to join the service. It's not a secret, hidden policy that a poor, innocent teenaged girl would have been unable to find out about. I'm fairly certain she knew about and understood it.

Not to mention that anyone with common sense would expect even a private employer to be a bit put out if you showed up for work 6 months pregnant, expecting full benefits and maternity leave, without having mentioned it before. The military, which might have been expecting to be able to send her overseas into a dangerous area where she would be expected to do the work of an able-bodied, not heavily pregnant person would be especially unhappy, especially after footing the $93,000 bill for her education.

She chose to be irresponsible and allow herself to get pregnant (If military service was so important, she should have been taking extra precautions so close to starting.). She then chose to keep it a secret until she was enlisted and she figured they'd have to deal with it (WRONG!). Now she's playing the victim and pulling in a hot-button issue like abortion, thinking that she can tantrum her way into the military. She doesn't deserve to serve our country and I hope she enjoys paying back every red cent of her loans.
 
2012-10-25 10:24:12 AM  

Lunaville: Also, as a nurse, she'll be fine. She can pick up a weekend only shift at a hospital working 12 to 16 hour days on Friday, Saturday and Sunday while the grandparents babysit. That will allow her the remainder of her week to spend with her child. She'll make a decent wage and she'll have invaluable time with her son.


This.
Plus, she can also take a lawyer and visit Baby Foetus's daddy and make arrangements for him to make a monthly freedom payment to support the child.
Because freedom isn't free.
 
2012-10-25 10:30:23 AM  
Did this 15 years ago. Except was married for 7 years prior and disclosed immediately. The rub was not the "Family Care Plan," but rather the change in medical status. The AF made it very clear if some chronic ailment attaches itself to you (hypertension, for example) during pregnancy that disqualifies you from service, they'd rather not take you in. Just good business. The option we elected was to spawn, get back to PT standards, get medical to omni-omni, and commission 10 months later. The AF did state we would be on the hook for 40 large if this plan did not go to fruition. The loophole was the PT test. If you failed, they could not commission, and we owed nothing.

Questions?

Funny side note: The telephone colonel advised the wife to sign the commissioning form, keep her mouth shut and everything would be just fine, "the folks at the academy will commission as long as you don't show, honey." This from an officer who was hiding her sexual orientation. Not a guess, I flew with her girlfriend for 5 years.

Core values, indeed. Sheriff McLawdog made me shoot coffee out my eyeballs with the "not sure if serious" troll. How's those core values workin' out for you, dog?

end communication.

The AF is like the real world, lots of derp.
Please keep your morals and your hobbies to yourself.
In for 24...Been there, done blah blah blah
no slashies
 
2012-10-25 10:35:43 AM  

Disposable Rob: She discovers that she'll probably have to pay back her scholarship (since pregnancy isn't like suddenly developing asthma), so she's got to make a racket somehow.


You don't suddenly develop asthma.
CSB: Had a friend who suddenly developed asthma after he joined the Army. He got pneumonia in basic training and got med boarded out for having a pre-exisiting condition. He went on to ride a bicycle 1,000 kilometers through Europe and become a certified scuba diver, skydiver, and long-distance hiker. No hint of asthma. He considers himself very lucky he got out of that clusterfark of stoopid. His type of discharge was "uncharacterized," which means it basically never happened.
 
2012-10-25 10:36:16 AM  

ha-ha-guy: ha-ha-guy: This woman is an idiot. First she could just have her parents adopt the kid and avoid this entire mess (after all they're willing to be supportive). Then work out a verbal agreement that she pays them, gets the kid, etc. On paper though have her parents as the baby's adoptive parents.

Secondly, she could in theory owe the Air Force for her tuition and stipend. Normally for things like getting knocked up and becoming a single parent the military just shows you the door, because they don't want the negative PR of suing single parents for large amounts of money. However consider she lied to them and has decided to go public/sue them, now they might as well go after her for their money. They have nothing to lose in terms of PR.

/our military is better off without her as an officer

Derp, upon rereading the article I note that she is actually paying off her 92k debt to the USAF. Suddenly this all makes sense. The Air Force decided they didn't like lying little butterbars and nailed for the money. She's not doing this over discrimination or a desire to serve the country, she's doing this to avoid the debt. According to the article she's paying 100 dollars a month, which means it takes 76.7 years to pay off just the principle. With interest she'll never get out from under this debt at that rate. It must be farking up her credit report or something so she went out and got a lawyer.

Also the military has had all kinds of rules about making orphans, family serving together (the Sullivan Brothers rule), etc. I doubt any court is going to challenge the military based on "We don't want to make orphans", let alone the part where she lies under oath.


From what I remember, student loans paid for by Uncle Sam through ROTC automatically are discharged after a certain period of continuous service. The monthly payments really are just a formality.
 
2012-10-25 10:38:17 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Everybody is ignoring the real stupidity here: paying $92 large for an undergraduate degree from a third-rate Jesuit school.




THIS

Marquette is an overpriced Ponzi scheme. If you plan to be a lawyer or dentist in Southeast Wisconsin, it has a little juice, but outside of that you might as well go to DeVry.

Pretty much everyone knows you go to Marquette if you're too dumb to get into Notre Dame or Northwestern.
 
2012-10-25 10:38:18 AM  

I AM BECOME DERP: In for 24...Been there, done blah blah blah


Do you remember back before DADT? Do you remember the mid-eighties when people were out about their sexual orientation? Well, women were anyway. I remember a beautiful female cadet from Guam. The guys loved her and she was open about being gay. I always remember her when DADT comes up and I still resent Clinton for betraying people like her.
 
2012-10-25 10:40:15 AM  
The point of the article is that all military chicks should take it in the pooper.
 
2012-10-25 10:42:16 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Disposable Rob: She discovers that she'll probably have to pay back her scholarship (since pregnancy isn't like suddenly developing asthma), so she's got to make a racket somehow.

You don't suddenly develop asthma.
CSB: Had a friend who suddenly developed asthma after he joined the Army. He got pneumonia in basic training and got med boarded out for having a pre-exisiting condition. He went on to ride a bicycle 1,000 kilometers through Europe and become a certified scuba diver, skydiver, and long-distance hiker. No hint of asthma. He considers himself very lucky he got out of that clusterfark of stoopid. His type of discharge was "uncharacterized," which means it basically never happened.


You might not be aware that you have it though. My doctor finally convinced me that I have asthma at around age 40. I found it difficult to believe because I felt strongly the diagnosis would have been made sooner. Then, I learned from my nut-job parents that I had been diagnosed with asthma at age 3 or 4 and they had decided not to treat me because they were concerned I'd become addicted to the medication and because the medication was expensive. They actually said "We didn't want to waste that money on something you didn't really need."
 
2012-10-25 10:43:54 AM  
This kind of disgrace wouldn't happen if we had more gays in the military.

=Smidge=
/Technically correct
//The best kind of correct
 
2012-10-25 10:46:48 AM  

jeffowl: So, she's a good Catholic when it comes to dealing with pregnancy, but not when it came to getting pregnant in the first place.


If only there were some way to prevent unplanned pregnancies.
 
2012-10-25 10:50:17 AM  

Fark It: HotIgneous Intruder: but she didn't expect that the Air Force would do something so idiotic as toss her for fulfilling her biological purpose.

/Authoritarian girl-haters are cretins. Get off my planet.

You have to be trolling...


He is. No matter what the topic of a thread is, his schtick is to blast out the most antagonistic comments he can devise. Don't feed him.
 
2012-10-25 10:51:13 AM  

Lunaville: They actually said "We didn't want to waste that money on something you didn't really need."


Wow.
 
2012-10-25 10:52:32 AM  

Lunaville: Do you remember back before DADT? Do you remember the mid-eighties when people were out about their sexual orientation? Well, women were anyway. I remember a beautiful female cadet from Guam. The guys loved her and she was open about being gay. I always remember her when DADT comes up and I still resent Clinton for betraying people like her.


Actually, I was enlisted in the Army from 85 - 89. I assure you, in the infantry world men were NOT open about being gay. It would get you beat up and drummed out. I'm glad your friend in Guam got to be a bit more forthcoming, but Clinton didn't drop the bomb on gays in uniform, he just let the existing situation slide without helping it.
 
2012-10-25 10:53:21 AM  
That was before she says she learned the Air Force forbid single parents from enlisting.

Something you may have thought to research a little first, dumbass.
 
2012-10-25 10:53:25 AM  

sprawl15: RugNug: Lunaville: Izunbacol: - if you find yourself in the single-parent boat after you're already in, you better have a Family Care Plan: you must have a local/short term, and a long term provider who will be able to take the kids at a moment's notice if you have short notice orders.

Does this mean that a male, who loses his wife to a car wreck or cancer, would have to have a log term provider? Would he not be dismissed/allowed to depart from the military in order to care for his family?

Those are the options. Maintain a family care plan or be discharged. It is usually an honorable discharge too, unless you've got other issues.

Yeah, the honorable-ness of the discharge depends on why it happens. If you lose your wife because of cancer and decide to take the kids, they'd be very helpful. If you covered up a divorce until after you received, say, expensive training that automatically upped your commitment, then they'd give zero farks.


Yep.
 
2012-10-25 10:54:03 AM  
You would think with all these stories of women gaming the system the military would install an IUD in women for the term of their service.
 
2012-10-25 11:00:25 AM  

Bhruic: I don't have a problem with her fighting against the ruling - if her extended family is able to provide support for the kid, why shouldn't she have the same ability to be an officer? But the railing against the abortion angle, as if she's somehow being penalized for not having one when it's her choice not to in the first place? Yeah, idiot. Not to mention the whole "premarital sex being against the Catholic faith" angle that's already been covered.


I would agree with you if she hadn't shown terrible judgement concealing the pregnancy. I've known people booted from ROTC (before commissioning) for dropping the ball on one job because the way he did so showed horrible communication skills. They're not obligated to take bad officer candidates, and lying to get her commission not only showed she was a bad candidate but also gave them a good route to get rid of her.
 
2012-10-25 11:02:58 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: The point of the article is that all military chicks should take it in the pooper.


Sounds legit...
 
2012-10-25 11:05:24 AM  

Lunaville: HotIgneous Intruder: whosits_112: Hey, jackass, we aren't hating on her for being a woman and having a kid. We are discussing how this woman failed the terms of her contract and is being released because of it. Read the freakin' contract. If she had told them THE EXACT MOMENT she had found out instead of waiting months AFTER she had been comissioned, they probably would havebeen lenient and accomodating. But she didn't. She screwed up, and now she pays the price.

Ooooh, ah. The good old imperial authoritarian beat down!
She found out two weeks before she got her commission.
So the fark what?
She's an Air Force nurse.
Let her serve, a-holes.
The biggest danger she'll ever face in her career will be dodging golf balls shot by the doctors and jet jocks after Mongolian barbecue at the Officer's Club or whatever politically correct thing they're calling them nowadays.

I have a desire to comfort you but that can't be done over the internet and any attempt might be misconstrued as mockery. So, I'll just point out that FormerFloozy and I are females. I doubt either of us hates females.

I personally don't advocate punishing the young lady in the article, beyond dismissing her from the military, for having a baby. Nor do I advocate taking mass cheek swabs, hunting down baby-Daddy, and punishing him for knocking boots.

Someone up-thread has already accurately determined that I've never served in the military. Still, I do believe your assumption that nurses are never deployed to dangerous zones is incorrect. I believe we still use field hospitals. I believe those field hospitals require nurses to operate and are frequently located in dangerous areas. One of you veterans jump in here and add some accuracy and detail to this assertion.

Last, the needs of the child are paramount. I'm okay with her having the baby. I'm okay with her placing the baby for adoption or retaining custody of the baby. However, if she chooses to keep her baby then I expect her to commit to parenting the baby. It all revolves around the word parent which is a verb.

Also, as a nurse, she'll be fine. She can pick up a weekend only shift at a hospital working 12 to 16 hour days on Friday, Saturday and Sunday while the grandparents babysit. That will allow her the remainder of her week to spend with her child. She'll make a decent wage and she'll have invaluable time with her son.


An Army doctor surgically removed a live RPG from a soldier in Afghanistan. I heard that a Navy nurse performed a similar operation, but I haven't researched that one.
 
2012-10-25 11:05:37 AM  
While I'm not as salty as some of you heartless farkers, I do think that young, career-minded, women should be aware that child birth might have an adverse impact on their plans. Just say'n.

/ question for the Airforce: waddaya do in the case of divorce after commissioning or enlistment? And do the same rules apply to single fathers with custody?
 
2012-10-25 11:14:57 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Disposable Rob: She discovers that she'll probably have to pay back her scholarship (since pregnancy isn't like suddenly developing asthma), so she's got to make a racket somehow.

You don't suddenly develop asthma.


The More You Know...★
 
2012-10-25 11:17:26 AM  
i think she did this to try to force the baby daddy to marry her. But he still won't.
 
2012-10-25 11:19:09 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Disposable Rob: She discovers that she'll probably have to pay back her scholarship (since pregnancy isn't like suddenly developing asthma), so she's got to make a racket somehow.

You don't suddenly develop asthma.
CSB: Had a friend who suddenly developed asthma after he joined the Army. He got pneumonia in basic training and got med boarded out for having a pre-exisiting condition. He went on to ride a bicycle 1,000 kilometers through Europe and become a certified scuba diver, skydiver, and long-distance hiker. No hint of asthma. He considers himself very lucky he got out of that clusterfark of stoopid. His type of discharge was "uncharacterized," which means it basically never happened.


Actually, adults can develop asthma, often following a bad respiratory infection, so your friend probably did develop it in boot camp. Then, after the stressed lungs have some months to recover, they might not need treatment any more. Happened even to a friend of mine whose idea of fun is carrying stretchers up and down the Rocky Mountains to rescue idiots.
 
2012-10-25 11:20:08 AM  

crab66: .Gotta side with the military here. She failed to live up to her responsibilities.


Yes, and she failed to live up to her responsibilities w/ her church as well, has she asked them for 'leeway' on whether her son is a bastard in their eyes?
I'm diligent about misogyny in the Air Force, it IS there, though probably not as much in the nursing field as the pilot field, but this is not a case of discrimination. Had she been a man the repercussions would have been the same if he'd lied by omission as well. She doesn't just win because BABBY.

Lastly, the pro-life spin on this from her folks is stomach-churning and an insult to genuine reproductive rights issues.

FFS, someone kick this damn soapbox out from under me!!!11!!
 
2012-10-25 11:26:15 AM  

fireclown: Lunaville: Do you remember back before DADT? Do you remember the mid-eighties when people were out about their sexual orientation? Well, women were anyway. I remember a beautiful female cadet from Guam. The guys loved her and she was open about being gay. I always remember her when DADT comes up and I still resent Clinton for betraying people like her.

Actually, I was enlisted in the Army from 85 - 89. I assure you, in the infantry world men were NOT open about being gay. It would get you beat up and drummed out. I'm glad your friend in Guam got to be a bit more forthcoming, but Clinton didn't drop the bomb on gays in uniform, he just let the existing situation slide without helping it.


She had an advantage in being female. Howard Stern nailed it when he said "America loves lesbians." I had classes with her during the 8o's. The other cadets really loved her. She had the strangest, sweetest friendship with a guy who sat behind me in one of our classes. He frequently offered to go down on her if she ever got lonely, but only if she wanted him to. She did not want, but he continued to offer. He offered to wear a pink wig. He pointed out that he required no batteries and was environmentally friendly. Once he asked her to notice how life-like his skin was. He stated that he was "really good at taking orders".

I think he kept it up for so long because it made her laugh. Toward the end of the year she got a girlfriend and started thinking about having a family someday. It's been a very long time, but she said, essentially, "I'd love to have a son like any one of these guys." or "I'd be proud for any of these guys to be my son." She left the room, for a second you could have heard a pin drop, then the "Oh wows" started. Then her buddy behind me groaned "Oh G-d, she's ruined it for me!" The female Colonel present in the room laid her head down face down on her desk and laughed. We all laughed.

Despite his silliness, it was obvious he really did care about the young lady from Guam.
 
2012-10-25 11:26:48 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Let the woman hate shine out in this thread, farkers.
Let the authoritarian followers howl at the moon.


While you are absolutely dead wrong on this one, I must say I am surprised you are (so far) a lone voice in the wilderness.
 
2012-10-25 11:26:53 AM  
It seems the current state of the US military is pretty bad. Country might be ripe for a military takeover...
 
2012-10-25 11:35:27 AM  
Why is it so hard not to get pregnant? I have been pregnant once, on purpose. And I've had sex twice!
 
2012-10-25 11:35:36 AM  
Oh yeah - can't her parents officially adopt the child?
 
2012-10-25 11:38:37 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: FTDA: I feel confident that it would be a very short walk from allowing single parents to requiring single parents to remain in the military.

They signed a contract, RIGHT?
Why would that be wrong?

When uncle sugar spends tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to train someone, that person should be allowed to serve, regardless of orientation or parental or marital status. To do anything else is to perpetuate useless and wasteful and biased policies.
Parents can do anything a non-parent can do.


You're a very good troll, but you make mistakes from time to time. The italicized comment you attribute to me wasn't mine.
 
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