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2012-10-25 09:23:50 AM

Oblio13: very, very few women pull their weight


In the western world the percentage that pull their weight and aren't bull lesbians is close to 0.

Never hire a woman of childbearing age, they will ALWAYS get pregnant and expect you to pay for it. If you have to hire a woman find one over 45 and for bonus points is divorced or a widow and has no dependent children. Why a woman without a husband? Because then you know she needs the money and won't complain as much.
 
2012-10-25 09:25:14 AM
I'm sure a civilian employer in a choose life state would be happy to hire her on and pay her 60% of what a man makes. And shun her for being the parent of a love child. (So afraid her friends will see the guilt in her)
 
2012-10-25 09:25:15 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Englebert Slaptyback: HotIgneous Intruder

Why the fark would she want to be on the hook for more than $93K (plus interest, without a doubt)?


The point (subtle, I know) was that it looks like she planned to get the education but not to be on the hook for the money.

Things are seldom as they appear.
Because she wasn't told that she'd be on the hook multiple times before she signed the contract, didn't understand that while she read the contract, and during her entire tenure as a cadet, right? She knew she would be on the hook if she screwed up, but she didn't expect that the Air Force would do something so idiotic as toss her for fulfilling her biological purpose.

/Authoritarian girl-haters are cretins. Get off my planet.


Oh, that's bullshiat. I was an Air Force ROTC cadet in college and they made sure to reiterate many, many times that if you fark up or have something serious happen, you better let your instructors or the NCOs at the detachment know ASAP. That includes pregnancy. You'd also have semester counselings with your instructor to ensure that you understood your obligation and what was expected of you.

If you can't live up to the very basic core values that the Air Force has established, you don't deserve to be an officer. "Integrity First" is not a farking suggestion.
 
2012-10-25 09:27:03 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Oblio13: very, very few women pull their weight

In the western world the percentage that pull their weight and aren't bull lesbians is close to 0.


Really it's just another symptom of our growing obesity problem. In an ideal world, women would have less weight to pull. Well, except for the added weight of their ample bosoms.
 
2012-10-25 09:27:32 AM

RembrandtQEinstein:
Never hire a woman of childbearing age, they will ALWAYS get pregnant and expect you to pay for it. If you have to hire a woman find one over 45 and for bonus points is divorced or a widow and has no dependent children. Why a woman without a husband? Because then you know she needs the money and won't complain as much.


Banks and insurance agencies. 100% twenty somethings that get an engagement ring, then a vacation for a honeymoon, then maternity leave, then quit.
 
2012-10-25 09:27:55 AM

Lunaville: Izunbacol: - if you find yourself in the single-parent boat after you're already in, you better have a Family Care Plan: you must have a local/short term, and a long term provider who will be able to take the kids at a moment's notice if you have short notice orders.

Does this mean that a male, who loses his wife to a car wreck or cancer, would have to have a log term provider? Would he not be dismissed/allowed to depart from the military in order to care for his family?


Int he case fo a car wreck he would be given time to either set up some sort of care or leave the military. Int he event of his wife getting cancer he would be told he needs to set something up.

however none of those really matter in this case.

She signed up for a training program, one she knew she couldn;t complete on schedule. These are coveted spots and there is absolutly no reason the Air Force should make special accomidation to her, especially after she was dishoenst about her condition.
 
2012-10-25 09:28:31 AM

liam76: fark her.


Some one did. But yeah, it was in her contract, the UCMJ supports the Air Forces position. She lied and now wants to pull the female victim card. Fark her with a cactus soaked in gasoline, then light it.
 
2012-10-25 09:33:11 AM
Well, to be fair to the poor little butterbar, it IS the Air Force.

They work like 20 hours a week including lunch and "PT" time. I think she'd have been fine, especially if she was a desk pilot.

superdude72: I wish the USA would just establish a decent welfare state--with maternity/paternity leave, subsidized child care, affordable university education, etc.--so that working class people wouldn't join the military thinking it's their only route to the public services that people in most industrialized countries take for granted.

The military should be a *last resort* employment option for single men who don't fit in anywhere else. It's not a damn social services agency or Junior Year Abroad program.


Also, you are a toll-troll.
//wanna get that boy's hole
 
2012-10-25 09:33:37 AM

superdude72: The military should be a *last resort* employment option for single men who don't fit in anywhere else.


Actually, it should be a public service option--one of several, I would hope--for young people who are physically fit and brave enough to do the job well, and unselfish enough to pay the price. If you want a reliable military, it can't be a garbage can from people you are trying to get rid of.
 
2012-10-25 09:34:53 AM

vudukungfu: RembrandtQEinstein:
Never hire a woman of childbearing age, they will ALWAYS get pregnant and expect you to pay for it. If you have to hire a woman find one over 45 and for bonus points is divorced or a widow and has no dependent children. Why a woman without a husband? Because then you know she needs the money and won't complain as much.

Banks and insurance agencies. 100% twenty somethings that get an engagement ring, then a vacation for a honeymoon, then maternity leave, then quit.


Just another reason our farking economy is farked: Stupid, greedy, short-sighted thinking.
The USSA ranks lowest in the developed world for maternity leave.
 
2012-10-25 09:35:17 AM
This woman is an idiot. First she could just have her parents adopt the kid and avoid this entire mess (after all they're willing to be supportive). Then work out a verbal agreement that she pays them, gets the kid, etc. On paper though have her parents as the baby's adoptive parents.

Secondly, she could in theory owe the Air Force for her tuition and stipend. Normally for things like getting knocked up and becoming a single parent the military just shows you the door, because they don't want the negative PR of suing single parents for large amounts of money. However consider she lied to them and has decided to go public/sue them, now they might as well go after her for their money. They have nothing to lose in terms of PR.

/our military is better off without her as an officer
 
2012-10-25 09:35:29 AM

daveUSMC: Well, to be fair to the poor little butterbar, it IS the Air Force.

They work like 20 hours a week including lunch and "PT" time. I think she'd have been fine, especially if she was a desk pilot.

superdude72: I wish the USA would just establish a decent welfare state--with maternity/paternity leave, subsidized child care, affordable university education, etc.--so that working class people wouldn't join the military thinking it's their only route to the public services that people in most industrialized countries take for granted.

The military should be a *last resort* employment option for single men who don't fit in anywhere else. It's not a damn social services agency or Junior Year Abroad program.

Also, you are a toll-troll.
//wanna get that boy's hole


To be fair, a butterbar USAF nurse has a fairly decent chance of doing shift work in an inpatient unit.
 
2012-10-25 09:35:38 AM

Bender The Offender: Seacop: Bender The Offender: david_gaithersburg: Bender The Offender: Oblio13: Spent 21 years in the Marines. A huge percentage of our woman Marines used to get pregnant either right before or during deployments. So a unit trains together like it should, then rotates overseas with brand new replacements to fill the holes. Now that I'm out I can say it: very, very few women pull their weight in the military.

My mom spent 24 years in the military, retired as a sgt. maj. She deployed around the world. She was an outstanding soldier and she joined as a single mother. I deplored to saudi and kosovo with female soldiers and pilots. Not one of them had their tours shortened for pregnancy. We did lose a few men to "stress" though. Just because youre a misogynistic douche doesn't mean reality reflects your "he man woman hater's club" mentality.

As far as the article goes, this woman is dishonest. She attempted to defraud the american people and manipulate the air force, now that she is being revealed for the morally bankrupt person she is, she is attempting to manipulate public opinion by turning a "you dishonestly violated a contract" situation into a "ZOMG the government wants to force me to have ABORTIONS". She has no honor, I hope she does jail time.

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You had me until you declared that no women had their tours shortened. But to be fair Kosovo was before Generation Baby Daddy/Generation Pill Popper, so perhaps you are telling the truth.

Perhaps I should have specified "in my unit". I know there were incidents were some females were sent home for pregnancies, just not from my units.

So what you're saying is, when it came to your unit, there was no chance a woman got pregnant?
We were a medivac unit, mostly 91 charlies, doctors, and nurses. I'm pretty sure the possibility existed. The reality is, not one person was sent home for pregnancy during our deployment. What is your point exactly? What question are you begging?


HE'S SAYING YOUR DICK DON'T WORK! YOUR SEMEN AIN'T SWIMMIN'!
 
2012-10-25 09:36:25 AM
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2012-10-25 09:38:42 AM
I just wanna tell you all: good luck. We're all counting on you.

/Don't mean to be a harsh, but thanks all. Just like tfa and this thread, the service isn't for everybody.
 
2012-10-25 09:38:57 AM
She's a good Catholic girl.
Refused to use birth control and refused to have an abortion.
The church must be so proud of her.
Then there's that sex out of wedlock thing.
But she's a good Catholic girl.
 
2012-10-25 09:39:18 AM
I like the part where they an abortion is off the table because of deeply held catholic faith. Premarital sex however.......
 
2012-10-25 09:40:18 AM
There's so much fail - to borrow the kids' term - in this article.

"Abortion was never an option, she said, because of her Catholic faith and her personal beliefs."

You know what else is wrong according to Catholicism? Pre-marital sex, and having children outside of marriage. Also, lying to the officers who are mentoring you as you enter the Air Force goes against some pretty basic Catholic values. She said, "OK, I don't think I have to tell anybody [I'm pregnant]. I'm scared now." Because you're afraid of the consequences, it's okay to lie? Wow...Someone was babied a bit too much growing up.

"Thirteen weeks into her pregnancy, she was sworn in by her father as a second lieutenant and started making plans to go to Virginia to begin her military service."

So, she didn't just lie, she lied for weeks and weeks just hoping that they'd let her skate by because...well why not? She's a cute little white girl why should she have to take responsibility for breaking her agreement? Responsibility is leik super scary, so it's best to just pretend that it doesn't exist.

"It further stated that her file contained eight forms in which she was briefed on the medical change reporting requirement. Edmonds said no one ever brought the issue up during her subsequent counseling sessions while she was enrolled at Marquette."

Oh, right they should have known she was a liar and kept reminding her that she agreed not to get pregnant so that maybe she would have been too scared to get pregnant and lie. Obviously it's everyone's fault except her own.

Man she would have made a great officer.

Okay, I'm gonna stop there because I shouldn't care this much about something that affects me not at all. Also, because I realize how bitter and terrible I am.
 
2012-10-25 09:41:09 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.


They tell you these things. Everyone in and around the military knows this.
 
2012-10-25 09:43:49 AM

Kredal: So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs? Fine. What about having a bastard child? No qualms about that? What about lying to your employer about your medical condition (against the contract)? That's OK for you?


THIS
 
2012-10-25 09:43:58 AM

david_gaithersburg: You had me until you declared that no women had their tours shortened. But to be fair Kosovo was before Generation Baby Daddy/Generation Pill Popper, so perhaps you are telling the truth.


What exactly does "Generation Pill Popper" refer to? Women who "pop" birth control pills are not the problem here. (Though IUDs make more sense for military deployment.) If you are referring to popping other sorts of pills, well, the Baby Boomers did a lot of that and so has every generation since, so I don't see how you can single out people coming of age after Kosovo.
 
2012-10-25 09:44:56 AM
So...war against women anyone?
 
2012-10-25 09:45:14 AM

Chief_ Danz153A: Wow... I wasn't aware of this policy. Strikes me as a bit antiquated. Deployments are difficult for anyone with any family. Like others mentioned above, in the Army you are required to have this Family Care Plan, which can be complete BS, but is an officiating document that pretty much says "this person can take care of your kid(s). I wasn't aware that the Air Force was a Judeo-Christian organization requiring marriage.

Sounds like I have some reading to do.

But yeah if can't take care of your child in your absence, well you aren't really a functional member of the Armed Forces and things expulsion (like Tat'dGreaser mentioned) can/will get put into play.


There are plenty of single mothers (and fathers) in the AF (otherwise divorce or death of a spouse would be problematic too). What you can't do is enlist as a single parent (of either sex) or while pregnant.

There are a lot of these policies that only apply pre-enlistment, and some of them make sense ... some are strange.

An interesting one: you can't enlist if you're on an antidepressant, and if you are taking one you have to stop for a year prior to enlisting. Though if you're already active duty, treatable depression in a-ok.
 
2012-10-25 09:45:49 AM
I am calling shenanigans on her. If she had been active duty at the time she got pregnant, they would have shrugged and said congrats. That's what happened to me.

Prior to entering active duty, it is very plainly stated and briefed every time she meets her recruiter (or whoever) that she needs to disclose any changes in her status. I sincerely doubt anyone suggested abortion to her, giving that the majority of military members are staunch conservatives. The truth is, she lied about her status and she doesn't get special privileges on the way in. Sorry cupcake, but if you had disclosed your status early, you would have been discharged from the DEP but still eligible for re-entry if you chose to get married. You would require a dependency waiver, but that shouldn't be an obstacle. I really wish I could smack her and her parents for the "standards don't apply to me!" bullshiat.
 
2012-10-25 09:45:57 AM

ha-ha-guy: This woman is an idiot. First she could just have her parents adopt the kid and avoid this entire mess (after all they're willing to be supportive). Then work out a verbal agreement that she pays them, gets the kid, etc. On paper though have her parents as the baby's adoptive parents.

Secondly, she could in theory owe the Air Force for her tuition and stipend. Normally for things like getting knocked up and becoming a single parent the military just shows you the door, because they don't want the negative PR of suing single parents for large amounts of money. However consider she lied to them and has decided to go public/sue them, now they might as well go after her for their money. They have nothing to lose in terms of PR.

/our military is better off without her as an officer


Derp, upon rereading the article I note that she is actually paying off her 92k debt to the USAF. Suddenly this all makes sense. The Air Force decided they didn't like lying little butterbars and nailed for the money. She's not doing this over discrimination or a desire to serve the country, she's doing this to avoid the debt. According to the article she's paying 100 dollars a month, which means it takes 76.7 years to pay off just the principle. With interest she'll never get out from under this debt at that rate. It must be farking up her credit report or something so she went out and got a lawyer.

Also the military has had all kinds of rules about making orphans, family serving together (the Sullivan Brothers rule), etc. I doubt any court is going to challenge the military based on "We don't want to make orphans", let alone the part where she lies under oath.
 
2012-10-25 09:46:20 AM

ha-ha-guy: /our military is better off without her as an officer


Because pregnant women, despite their educations, are dirty and whorish and never make anything of themselves in the real world, right? Especially trained nurses with officers' commissions -- they are the biggest dirtiest sluttiest lyingest worthless whores of all, right?

The farking underlying misogyny in here is simply amazing.
 
2012-10-25 09:47:20 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Never hire a woman of childbearing age, they will ALWAYS get pregnant and expect you to pay for it. If you have to hire a woman find one over 45 and for bonus points is divorced or a widow and has no dependent children. Why a woman without a husband? Because then you know she needs the money and won't complain as much.


Actually every business should hire ONLY women because you only have to pay them 70 cents on the male dollar. Really, you should be encouraging businesses to never hire the more expensive men.
 
2012-10-25 09:47:54 AM

daveUSMC: Well, to be fair to the poor little butterbar, it IS the Air Force.

They work like 20 hours a week including lunch and "PT" time. I think she'd have been fine, especially if she was a desk pilot.

superdude72: I wish the USA would just establish a decent welfare state--with maternity/paternity leave, subsidized child care, affordable university education, etc.--so that working class people wouldn't join the military thinking it's their only route to the public services that people in most industrialized countries take for granted.

The military should be a *last resort* employment option for single men who don't fit in anywhere else. It's not a damn social services agency or Junior Year Abroad program.

Also, you are a toll-troll.
//wanna get that boy's hole


lol indeed! See this is where she can get even, because the Air Force does tell you the work week is 20 hours and you get lunch and PT! And then they stick you out on the flight line for 144 hours out of 12 days and 16 hour shifts catching aircraft on TDYs. And the lunches? yep, you better stay on the back of the truck because by the time you scarf down your box nasty it took 20 mins to get at the quick turn, your POS is squawking whatever god awful code that's gonna make swing shift shiat their pants and you've got to throw out your half eaten sandwich and go catch it, because if you dont throw it out, one of the other fellow crew chiefs is going to put something in it and that could be anything from brake grease to his weener. Oh and dont forget the call you get from the squadron recalling you because some idiot lost a tool out of his tool box and they cant find it and need to run the engines for maintenance check. I will say however, since i was AF, what is PT? Is that what the MSgt's do while holding their coffee cup?

She just has to prove that the AF lies too and poof she's in.
 
2012-10-25 09:49:25 AM

craig328: So...war against women liars anyone?


Entitlement so thick you can cut it with a knife.....
 
2012-10-25 09:50:22 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: You're realize that you're saying that pregnant males should be treated the same as pregnant females.


Any man who becomes pregnant and does not inform the service of the change in his medical condition is committing the exact same violation, yes.
 
2012-10-25 09:51:03 AM

ha-ha-guy: Also the military has had all kinds of rules about making orphans, family serving together (the Sullivan Brothers rule), etc. I doubt any court is going to challenge the military based on "We don't want to make orphans", let alone the part where she lies under oath.


Baby Foetus has a baby daddy, no doubt.
The article says nothing about him.
The article also clearly tells how Our Little Slut's mom would take care of the Baby Foetus in the event of a deployment or worse. Problem solved. Wah-la.
Reading comprehension, how werk it.
 
2012-10-25 09:51:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Englebert Slaptyback: HotIgneous Intruder

Why the fark would she want to be on the hook for more than $93K (plus interest, without a doubt)?


The point (subtle, I know) was that it looks like she planned to get the education but not to be on the hook for the money.

Things are seldom as they appear.
Because she wasn't told that she'd be on the hook multiple times before she signed the contract, didn't understand that while she read the contract, and during her entire tenure as a cadet, right? She knew she would be on the hook if she screwed up, but she didn't expect that the Air Force would do something so idiotic as toss her for fulfilling her biological purpose.

/Authoritarian girl-haters are cretins. Get off my planet.


Hey, jackass, we aren't hating on her for being a woman and having a kid. We are discussing how this woman failed the terms of her contract and is being released because of it. Read the freakin' contract. If she had told them THE EXACT MOMENT she had found out instead of waiting months AFTER she had been comissioned, they probably would havebeen lenient and accomodating. But she didn't. She screwed up, and now she pays the price.
 
2012-10-25 09:51:51 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Just another reason our farking economy is farked: Stupid, greedy, short-sighted thinking.
The USSA ranks lowest in the developed world for maternity leave


What is short sighted is keeping on a selfish coont who knows she can't complete the training when there are many more qualified applicants who woudl want her spot.
 
2012-10-25 09:52:53 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Oblio13: very, very few women pull their weight

In the western world the percentage that pull their weight and aren't bull lesbians is close to 0.

Never hire a woman of childbearing age, they will ALWAYS get pregnant and expect you to pay for it. If you have to hire a woman find one over 45 and for bonus points is divorced or a widow and has no dependent children. Why a woman without a husband? Because then you know she needs the money and won't complain as much.


So why am I having such a hard time finding a job?
Oh, because I'm not young and pretty anymore.
 
2012-10-25 09:53:13 AM

pciszek: Women who "pop" birth control pills are not the problem here.


I agree with this statement. Sometimes very young women don't know where to go to get such medical services. My grandmother was the school nurse at a military school a very long time ago. There a young lady only had to state that her periods were irregular and my grandmother would arrange a medical appointment and walk them through the process of getting put on birth control. If a young lady wanted, Granny would go to the appointment with the young lady and hold the young ladys' hand during her first gynecological exam. Nurses are like that. I suspect the military and military schools still have lots of nurses that would act just as my grandmother did if a young female cadet decided she was ready for "regular periods".
 
2012-10-25 09:53:34 AM

fickenchucker: Seriously--in this day and age if you get knocked up it's either because you're retarded or did it on purpose.


Or you're from Texas.
 
2012-10-25 09:53:52 AM

Lunaville: I'm female. I'm a Mom. I consider myself to be fairly feminist. And I am absolutely okay with the decision to dismiss this young lady from the military. A child does not raise itself. Any single parent, whether it is a single Mom or a Dad who is a widower, for instance; should be released from military duty so that child can have a parent.


I know with service academies it wasn't gender based - you generally weren't allowed to be married and attend, and if you got a girl pregnant while there they'd boot you just as quickly as if you were the one who became pregnant. Not sure how it goes for ROTC or enlistments, but I'd imagine it's very very similar.
 
2012-10-25 09:54:04 AM
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2012-10-25 09:54:52 AM

Fark It: Bender The Offender: Oblio13: Spent 21 years in the Marines. A huge percentage of our woman Marines used to get pregnant either right before or during deployments. So a unit trains together like it should, then rotates overseas with brand new replacements to fill the holes. Now that I'm out I can say it: very, very few women pull their weight in the military.

My mom spent 24 years in the military, retired as a sgt. maj. She deployed around the world. She was an outstanding soldier and she joined as a single mother. I deplored to saudi and kosovo with female soldiers and pilots. Not one of them had their tours shortened for pregnancy. We did lose a few men to "stress" though. Just because youre a misogynistic douche doesn't mean reality reflects your "he man woman hater's club" mentality.

As far as the article goes, this woman is dishonest. She attempted to defraud the american people and manipulate the air force, now that she is being revealed for the morally bankrupt person she is, she is attempting to manipulate public opinion by turning a "you dishonestly violated a contract" situation into a "ZOMG the government wants to force me to have ABORTIONS". She has no honor, I hope she does jail time.

"My personal anecdote is clearly more relevant then your personal anecdote!"


This!

I'm not taking anything away from your mother, she bucked up and did her duty and as a former soldier I salute her for it. But for every disciplined badass female there are at least 100 uniformed princesses. You know the type, they love to prance around in their uniform and tell everyone they meet that they're a soldier. Until it comes time to do their duty and BE a soldier (or anything else in the military that they don't like) then they priss up, turn biatch, cry, complain, become insta-les, get knocked up, and play victim.
 
2012-10-25 09:56:10 AM

whosits_112: Hey, jackass, we aren't hating on her for being a woman and having a kid. We are discussing how this woman failed the terms of her contract and is being released because of it. Read the freakin' contract. If she had told them THE EXACT MOMENT she had found out instead of waiting months AFTER she had been comissioned, they probably would havebeen lenient and accomodating. But she didn't. She screwed up, and now she pays the price.


Ooooh, ah. The good old imperial authoritarian beat down!
She found out two weeks before she got her commission.
So the fark what?
She's an Air Force nurse.
Let her serve, a-holes.
The biggest danger she'll ever face in her career will be dodging golf balls shot by the doctors and jet jocks after Mongolian barbecue at the Officer's Club or whatever politically correct thing they're calling them nowadays.
 
2012-10-25 09:57:32 AM

Gleeman: fickenchucker: Seriously--in this day and age if you get knocked up it's either because you're retarded or did it on purpose.

Or you're from Texas.


Or Oklahoma.
 
2012-10-25 09:57:48 AM
From TFA she's the one who brought up abortion. Not the AF officer. She says "If i had an abortion would I be kicked out" and he thinks for a moment and responds affirmatively. Well duh. Abortion means she's no longer pregnant so it's not an issue at all.

Given the "outs" that have been listed by other people in the thread, I'm calling BS on her part and joining the she did this to defraud the AF.
 
2012-10-25 09:58:26 AM

iivel: An interesting one: you can't enlist if you're on an antidepressant, and if you are taking one you have to stop for a year prior to enlisting. Though if you're already active duty, treatable depression in a-ok.


All branches of the service have medical fitness requirements. They don't want to enlist someone who is already ill. Sounds like they are treating mental illness the same as physical ones. Do they let diabetics enlist? (Honest question, I don't know, but I doubt it.) So, they are willing to retain some people who develop medical conditions after they are trained and experienced, that also makes sense--to a point.
 
2012-10-25 09:59:31 AM

Spartacus Outlaw: So why am I having such a hard time finding a job?
Oh, because I'm not young and pretty anymore.


That's just part of the daisy chain of stupid we've tied ourselves up with.
 
2012-10-25 09:59:43 AM

iivel: There are plenty of single mothers (and fathers) in the AF (otherwise divorce or death of a spouse would be problematic too)


Again, I see this sort of statement. Please, please tell me these people are allowed to stay in as opposed to being refused the right to depart ways with the military in such situations.
 
2012-10-25 10:00:55 AM

Lunaville: iivel: There are plenty of single mothers (and fathers) in the AF (otherwise divorce or death of a spouse would be problematic too)

Again, I see this sort of statement. Please, please tell me these people are allowed to stay in as opposed to being refused the right to depart ways with the military in such situations.


Of course there are... People who think there aren't are those who have no military experience.
 
2012-10-25 10:03:03 AM
Seacop: Bender The Offender: david_gaithersburg: Bender The Offender: Oblio13: Spent 21 years in the Marines. A huge percentage of our woman Marines used to get pregnant either right before or during deployments. So a unit trains together like it should, then rotates overseas with brand new replacements to fill the holes. Now that I'm out I can say it: very, very few women pull their weight in the military.

My mom spent 24 years in the military, retired as a sgt. maj. She deployed around the world. She was an outstanding soldier and she joined as a single mother. I deplored to saudi and kosovo with female soldiers and pilots. Not one of them had their tours shortened for pregnancy. We did lose a few men to "stress" though. Just because youre a misogynistic douche doesn't mean reality reflects your "he man woman hater's club" mentality.

As far as the article goes, this woman is dishonest. She attempted to defraud the american people and manipulate the air force, now that she is being revealed for the morally bankrupt person she is, she is attempting to manipulate public opinion by turning a "you dishonestly violated a contract" situation into a "ZOMG the government wants to force me to have ABORTIONS". She has no honor, I hope she does jail time.

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You had me until you declared that no women had their tours shortened. But to be fair Kosovo was before Generation Baby Daddy/Generation Pill Popper, so perhaps you are telling the truth.

Perhaps I should have specified "in my unit". I know there were incidents were some females were sent home for pregnancies, just not from my units.

So what you're saying is, when it came to your unit, there was no chance a woman got pregnant?


Perhaps his unit has been to horrible, horrible places and has been losing it's cohesion. Driving through dirty back alleys, god knows what terrible things his unit experienced.
 
2012-10-25 10:03:09 AM

Lunaville: Izunbacol: - if you find yourself in the single-parent boat after you're already in, you better have a Family Care Plan: you must have a local/short term, and a long term provider who will be able to take the kids at a moment's notice if you have short notice orders.

Does this mean that a male, who loses his wife to a car wreck or cancer, would have to have a log term provider? Would he not be dismissed/allowed to depart from the military in order to care for his family?


Those are the options. Maintain a family care plan or be discharged. It is usually an honorable discharge too, unless you've got other issues.
 
2012-10-25 10:04:40 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: whosits_112: Hey, jackass, we aren't hating on her for being a woman and having a kid. We are discussing how this woman failed the terms of her contract and is being released because of it. Read the freakin' contract. If she had told them THE EXACT MOMENT she had found out instead of waiting months AFTER she had been comissioned, they probably would havebeen lenient and accomodating. But she didn't. She screwed up, and now she pays the price.

Ooooh, ah. The good old imperial authoritarian beat down!
She found out two weeks before she got her commission.
So the fark what?
She's an Air Force nurse.
Let her serve, a-holes.
The biggest danger she'll ever face in her career will be dodging golf balls shot by the doctors and jet jocks after Mongolian barbecue at the Officer's Club or whatever politically correct thing they're calling them nowadays.


Shove that authoritarian shiat up your ass. She found out 2 weeks before, and told them 6 months later that she was pregnant. I have no sympathy for her actions.
 
2012-10-25 10:05:03 AM

sprawl15: Lunaville: I'm female. I'm a Mom. I consider myself to be fairly feminist. And I am absolutely okay with the decision to dismiss this young lady from the military. A child does not raise itself. Any single parent, whether it is a single Mom or a Dad who is a widower, for instance; should be released from military duty so that child can have a parent.

I know with service academies it wasn't gender based - you generally weren't allowed to be married and attend, and if you got a girl pregnant while there they'd boot you just as quickly as if you were the one who became pregnant. Not sure how it goes for ROTC or enlistments, but I'd imagine it's very very similar.


We maybe shouldn't go there considering the number of secret marriages that have happened in among these cadets. I know my own in-laws were married before my husbands Dad was even dropped off in Annapolis. The same is true of hubbys' paternal grandparents. Everyone knows some of these little guys are getting married almost the minute they're fully potty-trained and people look the other way because their own parents and grandparents did it also once upon a time.
 
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