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2012-10-25 06:11:21 AM  
Subby: Air Force discharges single mother for getting pregnant.

FTFA: Weeks before being commissioned as a military officer, Edmonds discovered that she was pregnant.

One of these things is not like the other.

/Sorry, lady. You don't get to play by a different set of rules from everybody else in the military.
 
2012-10-25 06:19:15 AM  
But they were wrong. Citing a contract she signed in 2007 when she enrolled in ROTC at age 18, the Air Force said she committed a fraud by not reporting a change in her medical condition, as indicated in the contract.

Read. Your. farking. Contract.

Is the policy fair to single parents? No. Is it fair to their children and the U.S. taxpayer? Yes.
 
2012-10-25 06:19:34 AM  
It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.
 
2012-10-25 06:21:50 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.


Or just married the baby-daddy prior to enlisting....
 
2012-10-25 06:27:01 AM  

Fark It: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.

Or just married the baby-daddy prior to enlisting....


Does it even have to be the biological dad? I doubt the USAF is gonna go all Maury Povich on the matter.
 
2012-10-25 06:35:26 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fark It: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.

Or just married the baby-daddy prior to enlisting....

Does it even have to be the biological dad? I doubt the USAF is gonna go all Maury Povich on the matter.


I don't think it does, they just want somebody to hand the kid(s) off to when they send you off to do something dangerous, like deploy or pilot an F-22.
 
2012-10-25 06:44:20 AM  

Fark It: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fark It: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.

Or just married the baby-daddy prior to enlisting....

Does it even have to be the biological dad? I doubt the USAF is gonna go all Maury Povich on the matter.

I don't think it does, they just want somebody to hand the kid(s) off to when they send you off to do something dangerous, like deploy or pilot an F-22.


Plus, an Air Force officer should really have the judgement skills to know when to pull out of tight spots or eject, flying or not.
 
2012-10-25 07:13:58 AM  
They are allowed to cut your contract if they feel you lied about something. If this causes a negative mark that could follow her in life, she may win a case to remove that but the military is usually very quick about getting rid of women who are single and get pregnant. We had one get pregnant in Kosovo and they at least gave her the option and she chose to leave.
 
2012-10-25 07:14:59 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.


Not too mention she's supposed to be very Catholic. Guess that didn't turn out so well.
 
2012-10-25 07:15:31 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: They are allowed to cut your contract if they feel you lied about something. If this causes a negative mark that could follow her in life, she may win a case to remove that but the military is usually very quick about getting rid of women who are single and get pregnant. We had one get pregnant in Kosovo and they at least gave her the option and she chose to leave.


Sounds like a fairly standard medical discharge. It shouldn't cause any kind of negative mark.
 
2012-10-25 07:17:39 AM  
The Air Force accused Edmonds of committing fraud, ejected her from its ranks

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2012-10-25 07:18:12 AM  
First read what you sign. Did Marquette throw her out too? I thought that would happen also? I knew a couple teen moms it happened to
 
2012-10-25 07:18:21 AM  

geek_mars: Sounds like a fairly standard medical discharge. It shouldn't cause any kind of negative mark.


Well in the article they talk about the Air Force letting her go for lying, which can lead to jail time if they decide to go that way. I'm thinking they won't do that and just let her go without any negative marks.

Ha, I just read more of the article and the Air Force has a pretty strong case and most of the article is her just crying about not reading what she signed.
 
2012-10-25 07:21:51 AM  
"If Ms. Edmonds had reported her pregnancy she would have been placed on medical recheck status until she gave birth. At that time she would have been been able to commission if she were not a single parent, for example, if she were married, or had given the child up for adoption."


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It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You got pregnant! You have a kid that the Air Force now has to worry about, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day, ma'am!
 
2012-10-25 07:23:24 AM  
.Gotta side with the military here. She failed to live up to her responsibilities.
 
2012-10-25 07:23:48 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: geek_mars: Sounds like a fairly standard medical discharge. It shouldn't cause any kind of negative mark.

Well in the article they talk about the Air Force letting her go for lying, which can lead to jail time if they decide to go that way. I'm thinking they won't do that and just let her go without any negative marks.


Good point. Of course, if she makes a stink about it...
 
2012-10-25 07:24:05 AM  
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"You should have read the contract, dearie!"
 
2012-10-25 07:25:02 AM  

geek_mars: Good point. Of course, if she makes a stink about it...


Well she's trying right now with this article, but I think the military has better lawyers than what she can afford.
 
2012-10-25 07:26:07 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: geek_mars: Sounds like a fairly standard medical discharge. It shouldn't cause any kind of negative mark.

Well in the article they talk about the Air Force letting her go for lying, which can lead to jail time if they decide to go that way. I'm thinking they won't do that and just let her go without any negative marks.

Ha, I just read more of the article and the Air Force has a pretty strong case and most of the article is her just crying about not reading what she signed.


Pretty patheitic tone,huh? She's a total victim and the Air Force practically tryed to force her to get an abortion.
 
2012-10-25 07:27:19 AM  
fark her.
 
2012-10-25 07:27:43 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Pretty patheitic tone,huh? She's a total victim and the Air Force practically tryed to force her to get an abortion.


I hate when people force their will on me with legally binding documents. Damn you signature block and your evil ways!
 
2012-10-25 07:27:52 AM  
So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs? Fine. What about having a bastard child? No qualms about that? What about lying to your employer about your medical condition (against the contract)? That's OK for you?
 
2012-10-25 07:28:07 AM  
bringing life into the world gets in the way of killing people, sister.
 
2012-10-25 07:29:13 AM  

Kredal: So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs? Fine. What about having a bastard child? No qualms about that? What about lying to your employer about your medical condition (against the contract)? That's OK for you?


I did laugh pretty hard at that part of the article
 
2012-10-25 07:31:41 AM  
FTA: Abortion was never an option, she said, because of her Catholic faith and her personal beliefs.

I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that getting knocked up before getting hitched doesn't jibe with the Catholic faith.
 
2012-10-25 07:31:58 AM  

Kredal: So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs? Fine. What about having a bastard child? No qualms about that? What about lying to your employer about your medical condition (against the contract)? That's OK for you?


Are you implying someone should actually have to apply their ethics across the board and not just when/where it's convenient or advantageous? That's crazy talk.
 
2012-10-25 07:32:03 AM  
So, she's a good Catholic when it comes to dealing with pregnancy, but not when it came to getting pregnant in the first place.
 
2012-10-25 07:33:33 AM  
When the Air Force offered her a full scholarship to Marquette University, Edmonds jumped at the chance to become a nurse and serve her country. Marquette is a Catholic university, a perfect fit for the practicing Catholic.
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Abortion was never an option, she said, because of her Catholic faith and her personal beliefs.

What does her Catholic faith have to say about all that premarital sex she's been having?
 
2012-10-25 07:34:11 AM  

"The Air Force is making an assumption that single parents cannot provide adequately for their children if deployed," Edmonds' mother said. "That's what burns me up."


Those bastards! They should just assume that everyone has an equally strong support network of some sort and that the kid(s) will be fine if the parent has to deploy.


"He just says, 'I don't know what would happen to a cadet if she were to become pregnant. But I don't think it would be good. So just don't get pregnant,' " Edmonds recalled of the conversation with the officer. "He said that word for word to me. At that point, I thought, 'OK, I don't think I have to tell anybody this. I'm scared now.' "


Because no one would ever have noticed the pregnancy if she hadn't said anything. Frankly I'm not sure the Air Force needs an officer like that.
 
2012-10-25 07:36:12 AM  
I know one girl who got pregnant to avoid being deployed. Oh she had no problem accepting money from us for her education, but when she was called upon to do her job she was all like, no way.
 
2012-10-25 07:37:16 AM  

liam76: fark her.


Sorry, sounds like someone beat you to it.
 
2012-10-25 07:37:41 AM  
Was she hoping the pregnancy would go away on its own? Seriously, she had several options to solve this which she didn't take. Adoption, abortion, getting married or just telling the truth when she found out she was pregnant would have prevented getting booted like she did. If she showed that much lack of creativity and responsibility in resolving this issue she would have made a pretty crappy officer anyway.
 
2012-10-25 07:37:48 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: It's not like the Air Force tells people these things, or she could've ever done anything to prevent pregnancy.

Not too mention she's supposed to be very Catholic. Guess that didn't turn out so well.


at least she learned the birth control lesson well and followed it. if we can, we must strive to learn and do one thing, and do it well.
 
2012-10-25 07:38:06 AM  
It's sounds a little different, but involuntary discharges for single parents without a viable Family Care Plan aren't that uncommon.

We had a few guys get the boot after a divorce, and the ex-wife didn't want custody.

We had a guy whose wife had a pretty severe case of Post-Partum Depression, to the point she wasn't allowed around their kids unsupervised. I wasn't sure if she was "drown them in the bath tub crazy," but she was unstable. None of the grandparents were capable of raising small children, so he was out of the Army less than a month later.
 
2012-10-25 07:38:11 AM  
The military should not be a job corps for single parents. Heck even the married parents are a problem.

If a service memeber gets pregnant she is non-deployable for at least 9 months and depending on MOS/AFSC may be unable to do the job she was trained for, at much expense to the tax payer. That is a big chunk out a four year enlistment. Imagine if there are multiple pregnancies during her tour of duty.. Others end up carrying her share of the load as well as their own and it is not as if the military can hire a temp.

Service memebers who get preganant should be discharged with loss of all VA benefits. Motherhood and the military profession are not compatible. If you try to do both either the kids or the service gets short changed, usually both

/also against military personnel below the pay grad eof E-4 with less than four years service being allowed to marry.
 
2012-10-25 07:38:43 AM  
In other news, you can`t expect your life before having a baby to be exactly the same as your life after having a baby.

A lot of people do not realise this.
 
2012-10-25 07:40:51 AM  
Spent 21 years in the Marines. A huge percentage of our woman Marines used to get pregnant either right before or during deployments. So a unit trains together like it should, then rotates overseas with brand new replacements to fill the holes. Now that I'm out I can say it: very, very few women pull their weight in the military.
 
2012-10-25 07:41:01 AM  

Sgt Otter: It's sounds a little different, but involuntary discharges for single parents without a viable Family Care Plan aren't that uncommon.


I'm in the process of getting rid of one of my soldiers because of this. Every Friday before drill something is wrong with her kid. One drill she realized Friday night around 8pm that her kid needed surgery. Not emergency surgery, routine.
 
2012-10-25 07:41:46 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I know one girl who got pregnant to avoid being deployed. Oh she had no problem accepting money from us for her education, but when she was called upon to do her job she was all like, no way.


I know a full out open lesbian who got pregnant from a fellow soldier before a deployment (and this was during don't ask, don't tell). Which is odd, because telling her command structure that she was a lesbian should have also worked, although all the other soldiers knew about it and didn't care. Although she just may have wanted a kid anyway.
 
2012-10-25 07:42:34 AM  

hasty ambush: also against military personnel below the pay grad eof E-4 with less than four years service being allowed to marry


They get the immediate perk of getting to move out of the dorms/barracks, however they lose half of their stuff in the divorce a year or two later, kind of balances out.
 
2012-10-25 07:43:52 AM  
These whores are continually knockin' themselves up!
 
2012-10-25 07:44:35 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Sgt Otter: It's sounds a little different, but involuntary discharges for single parents without a viable Family Care Plan aren't that uncommon.

I'm in the process of getting rid of one of my soldiers because of this. Every Friday before drill something is wrong with her kid. One drill she realized Friday night around 8pm that her kid needed surgery. Not emergency surgery, routine.


Generation Pill Popper isn't all that bright.
 
2012-10-25 07:44:43 AM  
Kredal:
So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs?

From what I understand, it's against much of the Air Force's too. Unless it's post-natally aborting whole families of brown children, of course. Praise Jesus!
 
2012-10-25 07:46:30 AM  
I'm glad to see the common sense is thick and sturdy here. After reading wave after shuddering wave of observation gushing forth from the collective FARK loin my faith has been restored. In face, my excitement about scrolling the comments up and down, up and down, and up and down, has actually left me a little breathless and a little sleepy.


That and the idiot "Catholic" girl who couldn't keep her knees together is too stupid to get a free ride in the Air Force. Seriously--in this day and age if you get knocked up it's either because you're retarded or did it on purpose.
 
2012-10-25 07:46:43 AM  
I know of a woman who injured herself to avoid being deployed. Nothing new.
 
2012-10-25 07:48:51 AM  
Shouldn't have been whoring around.
 
2012-10-25 07:49:01 AM  
Wow... I wasn't aware of this policy. Strikes me as a bit antiquated. Deployments are difficult for anyone with any family. Like others mentioned above, in the Army you are required to have this Family Care Plan, which can be complete BS, but is an officiating document that pretty much says "this person can take care of your kid(s). I wasn't aware that the Air Force was a Judeo-Christian organization requiring marriage.

Sounds like I have some reading to do.

But yeah if can't take care of your child in your absence, well you aren't really a functional member of the Armed Forces and things expulsion (like Tat'dGreaser mentioned) can/will get put into play.
 
2012-10-25 07:49:15 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Generation Pill Popper isn't all that bright.


Thankfully we FINALLY have solid leadership and they're not taking this lightly. Also she got moved to another squad so I only have two problem kids now! Of course one is an E-5............ugh
 
2012-10-25 07:49:38 AM  

No Such Agency: Kredal:
So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs?

From what I understand, it's against much of the Air Force's too. Unless it's post-natally aborting whole families of brown children, of course. Praise Jesus!


I think the base hospital would give an abortion if you asked for one... I'm just not sure I would trust a military doc to do it right.
 
2012-10-25 07:52:34 AM  

Kredal: No Such Agency: Kredal:
So, having an abortion is against her religious beliefs?

From what I understand, it's against much of the Air Force's too. Unless it's post-natally aborting whole families of brown children, of course. Praise Jesus!

I think the base hospital would give an abortion if you asked for one... I'm just not sure I would trust a military doc to do it right.


Why not? They're trained to kill.
/rimshot
//try the veal
 
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