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2012-10-25 01:22:09 AM
"Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.
 
2012-10-25 01:28:24 AM
It disturbs me that it's even possible to accumulate a "massive" collection of child porn. :(
 
2012-10-25 01:44:01 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.


I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.
 
2012-10-25 08:59:55 AM
Dump it in your NEIGHBOR'S trash bin.
 
2012-10-25 09:02:29 AM

AbbeySomeone: BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.

I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.


Pedophilia really is a sort of hell. When that's what gets you going, and you know it's wrong... You're kind of farked.
Kudos to this guy for not acting on anything.
 
2012-10-25 09:02:38 AM

AbbeySomeone: BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.

I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.


Once again, that trope comes out. It's still not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Recidivism
 
2012-10-25 09:08:15 AM
Alright, the digital photos I get, sort of, but what of the sketches? Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

/that felt really wierd to type, but it seems a very strange law if that is the case
 
2012-10-25 09:09:54 AM

StrangeQ: Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?


I believe it does. They say you're "promoting" it or some such drivel.
 
2012-10-25 09:11:31 AM

Ambivalence: It disturbs me that it's even possible to accumulate a "massive" collection of child porn. :(


Especially on paper.
 
2012-10-25 09:11:37 AM

number8: AbbeySomeone: BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.

I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.

Once again, that trope comes out. It's still not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Recidivism


Great, and that doesn't cover a great amount of data on pedophiles and their recidivism. So, come back to us when you have more data on pedos specifically.
 
2012-10-25 09:12:32 AM

StrangeQ: Alright, the digital photos I get, sort of, but what of the sketches? Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

/that felt really wierd to type, but it seems a very strange law if that is the case


I believe the law is fairly unclear in that situation, because the logic behind CP laws is that a child is being abused in the creation of the material itself. If there is no child to abuse, then theoretically there shouldn't be a law being violated. It's the same reason that written child pornography is legal. No actual victim.
 
2012-10-25 09:13:01 AM

BarkingUnicorn:
Score one for the phishers.


gotta hand it to anon.
 
2012-10-25 09:13:13 AM

HotWingConspiracy: StrangeQ: Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

I believe it does. They say you're "promoting" it or some such drivel.


I thought the courts ruled that fiction/cartoons didn't count (thus excusing - for now - all five fans of lolicon hentai?)

/excuse me, I'll be puking over there.
 
2012-10-25 09:14:34 AM
When tossing dicey trash, be sure not to include things like mail or bills. Seems elementary, but people do it all of the time. That dumpster is a memory hole, almost.
 
2012-10-25 09:16:20 AM

signaljammer: When tossing dicey trash, be sure not to include things like mail or bills. Seems elementary, but people do it all of the time. That dumpster is a memory hole, almost.


jimkanicki.com
 
2012-10-25 09:16:22 AM
I hope all of them are found and eradicated. Hell is too pretty for them.
 
2012-10-25 09:16:37 AM

StrangeQ: Alright, the digital photos I get, sort of, but what of the sketches? Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

/that felt really wierd to type, but it seems a very strange law if that is the case


You can even sketch pubes in there, but if they appear under 18, you're farked.
 
2012-10-25 09:16:45 AM

starsrift: AbbeySomeone: BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.

I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.

Pedophilia really is a sort of hell. When that's what gets you going, and you know it's wrong... You're kind of farked.
Kudos to this guy for not acting on anything.


Yeah kudos to the perv for not raping a kid and kudos to you for believing him because he said so. Give this man the city key for his awesomeness.
 
2012-10-25 09:19:33 AM

Kit Fister: Great, and that doesn't cover a great amount of data on pedophiles and their recidivism. So, come back to us when you have more data on pedos specifically.


If you follow his link and look at the DOJ study referenced, it does break down sex offenders against children. Their recidivism rates are slightly (but probably not statistically significantly) lower than the other types of sex offender - 5.1% rearrest compared to 5.3% for all sex offenders.
 
2012-10-25 09:21:42 AM

AbbeySomeone: I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.


Oh there's a cure. Some may say it's a little harsh, but it is 100% effective, guaranteed.
 
2012-10-25 09:22:06 AM

Kit Fister: HotWingConspiracy: StrangeQ: Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

I believe it does. They say you're "promoting" it or some such drivel.

I thought the courts ruled that fiction/cartoons didn't count (thus excusing - for now - all five fans of lolicon hentai?)

/excuse me, I'll be puking over there.


Could be, I know that they put that in to law at some point though. Maybe it's been struck down or removed. I'm glad I can say that I have little need to keep up on current kid porn restrictions.
 
2012-10-25 09:23:57 AM

AbbeySomeone:
I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow...


Yay! Giving up our rights to put horribly violent men that torture digital images and pieces of paper behind bars is certainly worth the price!
 
2012-10-25 09:27:03 AM
Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?
 
2012-10-25 09:29:02 AM

This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?


The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.
 
2012-10-25 09:29:40 AM
yeah, use your neighbor's trash.
 
2012-10-25 09:32:51 AM

AbbeySomeone: BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.

I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.


Actually, to make this clear to others in the thread, what BarkingUnicorn was referring to here is that the guy actually downloaded malware *pretending* to be an FBI warning.

This becomes more hilarious when you realize that he essentially was fooled into thinking he had been caught by a computer virus (well, technically malware, but for those who don't know the difference, this is close enough).
 
2012-10-25 09:33:50 AM

starsrift: This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?

The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.


Seems obvious to us, but I'm just going to guess this guy isn't much of an intellectual giant.

/this thread makes me itch
 
2012-10-25 09:39:27 AM

starsrift: This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?

The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.


Shred and then burn, I'd say.

/and open your hard drives and scratch, bend, and destroy the fark out of them.
 
2012-10-25 09:51:06 AM
a woman found several trash bags in a dumpster that contained hundreds of sketch drawings of disturbing sexual images of young boys.

Wait. They weren't even photographs of real people? Just drawings? You can be arrested for that?

Forney claimed that he was happy he was caught

Oh, Ok, then. Whatever. Carry on.
 
2012-10-25 09:58:10 AM

Gabrielmot: AbbeySomeone: BarkingUnicorn: "Forney admitted that he had tried to destroy the photos after an FBI warning locked his computer"

Score one for the phishers.

I'm not one to agree with gov't intrusion but people like this have to be stopped somehow. I like how he tells them he was glad that he was caught. The recidivism rate with pedophiles is extremely high, some say there is no cure.

Actually, to make this clear to others in the thread, what BarkingUnicorn was referring to here is that the guy actually downloaded malware *pretending* to be an FBI warning.

This becomes more hilarious when you realize that he essentially was fooled into thinking he had been caught by a computer virus (well, technically malware, but for those who don't know the difference, this is close enough).


This article might actually qualify for the irony tag.
 
2012-10-25 09:59:03 AM

StrangeQ: /this thread makes me itch


Oblig?

NSFW Language
 
2012-10-25 10:08:17 AM

kyleaugustus: starsrift: This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?

The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.

Shred and then burn, I'd say.

/and open your hard drives and scratch, bend, and destroy the fark out of them.


I wipe my old hard drives using DBAN and then open them and drill 4 or 5 holes in each of the platters. Figure that it would be difficult enough to retrieve any data from them that anyone wouldn't bother. I've historically had file on my computer that has contained many of my online passwords that I wouldn't want getting into someone else's hands. Plus the odd backup scan of important paper documents.

/Actually curious if it would still be possible to retrieve data from a DBAN wiped, drilled HDD platter.
 
2012-10-25 10:12:50 AM
That guy belongs in the Arizona State Mental Hospital
 
2012-10-25 10:14:57 AM

StrangeQ: Alright, the digital photos I get, sort of, but what of the sketches? Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

/that felt really wierd to type, but it seems a very strange law if that is the case


If it's "FOH DAH CHILDWENNNNNNNN!", you can be sure some politicians made it into a law.
 
2012-10-25 10:16:44 AM

The sound of one hand clapping: kyleaugustus: starsrift: This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?

The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.

Shred and then burn, I'd say.

/and open your hard drives and scratch, bend, and destroy the fark out of them.

I wipe my old hard drives using DBAN and then open them and drill 4 or 5 holes in each of the platters. Figure that it would be difficult enough to retrieve any data from them that anyone wouldn't bother. I've historically had file on my computer that has contained many of my online passwords that I wouldn't want getting into someone else's hands. Plus the odd backup scan of important paper documents.

/Actually curious if it would still be possible to retrieve data from a DBAN wiped, drilled HDD platter.


I wouldn't think so....on old drives I've gotten rid of, I performed a Gutmman Wipe (35 Passes) + drilled 6 1/4" holes through the entire hard drive.
 
2012-10-25 10:20:35 AM

ferretman: The sound of one hand clapping: kyleaugustus: starsrift: This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?

The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.

Shred and then burn, I'd say.

/and open your hard drives and scratch, bend, and destroy the fark out of them.

I wipe my old hard drives using DBAN and then open them and drill 4 or 5 holes in each of the platters. Figure that it would be difficult enough to retrieve any data from them that anyone wouldn't bother. I've historically had file on my computer that has contained many of my online passwords that I wouldn't want getting into someone else's hands. Plus the odd backup scan of important paper documents.

/Actually curious if it would still be possible to retrieve data from a DBAN wiped, drilled HDD platter.

I wouldn't think so....on old drives I've gotten rid of, I performed a Gutmman Wipe (35 Passes) + drilled 6 1/4" holes through the entire hard drive.


This sort of thing makes me wonder if you guys are too paranoid, or if I'm not paranoid enough.
 
2012-10-25 10:24:23 AM

StrangeQ: Alright, the digital photos I get, sort of, but what of the sketches? Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

/that felt really wierd to type, but it seems a very strange law if that is the case


I'm pretty sure drawn porn remains "legit". Unless something has changed.

The phrase "hundreds of sketch drawings" had me wondering too.
 
2012-10-25 10:26:13 AM

SkunkWerks: StrangeQ: Alright, the digital photos I get, sort of, but what of the sketches? Does the law actually state that if I were to pick up a pencil and draw a picture of a naked child, one that is based off of nobody in reality and exists only in my mind, I am now in possession of and can be charge with child pornography?

/that felt really wierd to type, but it seems a very strange law if that is the case

I'm pretty sure drawn porn remains "legit". Unless something has changed.

The phrase "hundreds of sketch drawings" had me wondering too.


I vaguely remember a Fark article about someone that was arrested for possession of drawn images, that the images only needed to seem to depict a minor for them to be counted as illegal.
 
2012-10-25 10:32:38 AM
What's his Fark handle?
 
2012-10-25 10:33:22 AM

The sound of one hand clapping: /Actually curious if it would still be possible to retrieve data from a DBAN wiped, drilled HDD platter.


My (possibly incorrect) understanding: depends on how you define "possible".
Someone could sit there with an electron microscope and go "looks like that was a 1", "looks like that was a 0" a few trillion times.

A DBAN wipe alone should be plenty of protection against anything other than a government, and perhaps even them. A quick-and-dirty overwrite-with-zeroes should be fine against garden-variety ID theft.

Personally I have some broken drives that never got wiped, that I intend to melt, but that's just because I want to play with thermite.
 
2012-10-25 10:34:31 AM
dd --input-file=/dev/zero --output-file=/dev/hda --bs=1m
 
2012-10-25 10:34:43 AM
I don't have anything illicit to throw away, but I still would not want Gladys Kravits going through my trash.
 
2012-10-25 10:36:13 AM

kyleaugustus: I vaguely remember a Fark article about someone that was arrested for possession of drawn images


I don't doubt attempts have been made. I just seriously doubt that the Justice Department really wants to wade into a morass that effectively involves Art Critique.

But maybe I'm wrong. Honestly checking on the legality of various types of Porn isn't something I'm on the bleeding edge for updates on. But last I recall, this was the stance on it.
 
2012-10-25 10:40:25 AM
Once he threw it in the public trash, doesn't it become 'not his' at that point?

I mean, sure they can trace the equipment back to you being the previous owner, but they can't prove that you put the stuff on it. Unless you are intimidating into admitting it under duress. (Which sounds like that is exactly what happened)

I would believe a good lawyer can get this guy off the hook.

/Never talk to the Police.
// With that said, I don't care to defend the guy, that is a lawyer's job.
/// I care about our rights in general and they get taken away because of police work like this
 
2012-10-25 10:43:24 AM

Repo Man: ferretman: The sound of one hand clapping: kyleaugustus: starsrift: This text is now purple: Wouldn't a common-area trash bin be the perfect place to anonymously dump illegal trash?

The guy was drawing his own porn. Unless he is artistic in no other facet of his life, the only safe way would've been to burn it.

Shred and then burn, I'd say.

/and open your hard drives and scratch, bend, and destroy the fark out of them.

I wipe my old hard drives using DBAN and then open them and drill 4 or 5 holes in each of the platters. Figure that it would be difficult enough to retrieve any data from them that anyone wouldn't bother. I've historically had file on my computer that has contained many of my online passwords that I wouldn't want getting into someone else's hands. Plus the odd backup scan of important paper documents.

/Actually curious if it would still be possible to retrieve data from a DBAN wiped, drilled HDD platter.

I wouldn't think so....on old drives I've gotten rid of, I performed a Gutmman Wipe (35 Passes) + drilled 6 1/4" holes through the entire hard drive.

This sort of thing makes me wonder if you guys are too paranoid, or if I'm not paranoid enough.


I think of it as 'why take a chance?'.
 
2012-10-25 10:44:28 AM

Hoblit: Unless you are intimidating into admitting it under duress. (Which sounds like that is exactly what happened)


To be fair, all the "duress" it took to convince him to toss it in the trash in the first place was a bit of malware that fakes an FBI warning getting onto his machine. Didn't even bother to ask someone in the know if such a thing was possible (the FBI invading your computer without any sort of probable cause), and just assumed it was absolutely true.

He doesn't sound too bright.
 
2012-10-25 10:47:02 AM

SkunkWerks: kyleaugustus: I vaguely remember a Fark article about someone that was arrested for possession of drawn images

I don't doubt attempts have been made. I just seriously doubt that the Justice Department really wants to wade into a morass that effectively involves Art Critique.

But maybe I'm wrong. Honestly checking on the legality of various types of Porn isn't something I'm on the bleeding edge for updates on. But last I recall, this was the stance on it.


A googling and wiki'ing yields:

Upheld conviction over a cartoon.

The federal law that bans all depictions.

And a wiki article about said law which notes details as:

"Prohibits computer-generated child pornography when "(B) such visual depiction is a computer image or computer-generated image that is, or appears virtually indistinguishable from that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; (as amended by 1466A for Section 2256(8)(B) of title 18, United States Code).

Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene, OR are engaged in sex acts that are deemed to meet the same obscene condition. The law does not explicitly state that images of fictional beings who appear to be under 18 engaged in sexual acts that are not deemed to be obscene are rendered illegal in and of their own condition (illustration of sex of fictional minors)."

/It's also important to note that they seem to outlaw artificial depictions that are deemed obscene. However, obscenity is usually open to interpretation.
 
2012-10-25 10:48:27 AM

kyleaugustus: However, obscenity is usually open to interpretation.


That's kinda my point with the "morass" comment.
 
2012-10-25 10:49:46 AM
Yeah, SkunkWerks I agree, he's not too smart.

I didn't mean to write 'exactly', I meant to write 'possibly'. I'm not sure what happened in my brain when I typed the wrong word.

I don't necessarily believe he was 'definitely' under duress, just that I could see someone talking you into admitting something that you could probably beat in court otherwise without this confession.

*shrugs

I'm no lawyer though.
 
2012-10-25 10:51:45 AM

Hoblit: I don't necessarily believe he was 'definitely' under duress


I don't know if he was or not. All I'm saying is- if he was: it doesn't sound like you'd need to apply much force to get the job done.
 
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