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(KPTV Portland)   Update on Obie, the 77-lb dachshund: He's lost 15 lbs so far with his new family, is happy, healthy and thriving. So naturally the rescue shelter has filed a court order demanding him back   (kptv.com) divider line 70
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2012-10-25 12:08:47 AM  
The relevant complaint is that the dog is not getting whatever vet care was agreed upon. Wish we knew what that was and whether the foster mom has fulfilled that obligation.
 
2012-10-25 06:42:27 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The relevant complaint is that the dog is not getting whatever vet care was agreed upon. Wish we knew what that was and whether the foster mom has fulfilled that obligation.


fark you and your need for "Facts"
 
2012-10-25 06:44:55 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The relevant complaint is that the dog is not getting whatever vet care was agreed upon. Wish we knew what that was and whether the foster mom has fulfilled that obligation.


True, but you know where you are so you know it's going to break down into "doggie famous - now group and couple both want some of that fame."
 
2012-10-25 06:45:12 AM  
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Dog needs I beat anorexia collar
 
2012-10-25 06:48:04 AM  
Keep in mind here that the attorney for the rescue organization is the same a-hole representing the gal who stole he guy's lost dog and wouldn't give it back when he saw it in her car at the drive thru. He's a real piece of work. All I need to know about the merits of a case is which side Duckler's on. I'm going to side with the other.
 
2012-10-25 06:49:54 AM  
I'm surprised not returning the foster animal doesn't come up this often.

I suppose there aren't that many cases the fostering organization aren't just happy to see the dog get its forever home.
 
2012-10-25 06:50:33 AM  
Dogs and lawyers. Ugh.

Dog theft trial delayed as Corvallis college student mounts a defense

Heh, they said "mounts".

More of a cat person, myself.
 
2012-10-25 06:56:19 AM  
The dog has bonded with the people and with the rest of the pack. Taking him away from that would be cruel.
 
2012-10-25 07:00:40 AM  

simplicimus: The dog has bonded with the people and with the rest of the pack. Taking him away from that would be cruel.


He had already bonded with a steady diet of McDonalds and they took at away too. This dog already knows life can be cruel when he hears the mocking yelps of the other dogs laughing at him about his weight. He eats because he is depressed, and he is depressed because he eats.
 
2012-10-25 07:01:16 AM  
Both are wrong
So vote Michael Vick
 
2012-10-25 07:04:57 AM  

AnubisMan: simplicimus: The dog has bonded with the people and with the rest of the pack. Taking him away from that would be cruel.

He had already bonded with a steady diet of McDonalds and they took at away too. This dog already knows life can be cruel when he hears the mocking yelps of the other dogs laughing at him about his weight. He eats because he is depressed, and he is depressed because he eats.


I actually had a woman tell me she thought her dog was being made fun of by the other dogs for being fat. I tried to explain to her that dogs don't give a fark about such things and if anything all want to be as big and fat as possible. She wasn't convinced.
 
2012-10-25 07:09:12 AM  
many rescue shelters don't have sufficient room, funds or help to keep all animals. people who provide foster homes upon behalf of the shelter animals are well aware that their service is a much appreciated but temporary solution. foster homes do not have ownership.

big bucks in a PayPal account makes this get weird. bring in some lawyers, they'll take all that money.
 
2012-10-25 07:10:16 AM  

lewismarktwo: AnubisMan: simplicimus: The dog has bonded with the people and with the rest of the pack. Taking him away from that would be cruel.

He had already bonded with a steady diet of McDonalds and they took at away too. This dog already knows life can be cruel when he hears the mocking yelps of the other dogs laughing at him about his weight. He eats because he is depressed, and he is depressed because he eats.

I actually had a woman tell me she thought her dog was being made fun of by the other dogs for being fat. I tried to explain to her that dogs don't give a fark about such things and if anything all want to be as big and fat as possible. She wasn't convinced.


Heh. My wife bought into that commercial about a dog being concerned about it's appearance. Hint: they could care less.
 
2012-10-25 07:10:22 AM  
This sounds like one of those stories where I hate everyone involved.

Except the dog.
 
2012-10-25 07:11:34 AM  
I love how the rescue is worried that the poor doggie is being exploited, like he cares. Dogs are all about MOAR ATTENTION RUB MAH BELLEE!

If she can prove vet care, I say let her keep him. He doesn't care that he's all over Facebook. The shelter admits that they couldn't care for him. This lady can.

Some shelters are excellent, but some are neurotic asshats who do more harm than good.
 
2012-10-25 07:12:18 AM  
After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your wallet and your belt."
And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?"
And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings."
I said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"

Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat,
and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.


They named the dog after officer Obie. Ain't no wonder the damn dog is having all sorts of problems.
 
2012-10-25 07:13:36 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The relevant complaint is that the dog is not getting whatever vet care was agreed upon. Wish we knew what that was and whether the foster mom has fulfilled that obligation.


FTA:
She told Fox 12 in a telephone interview Wednesday night that Obie has bonded with her and her other dogs and Vanatta doesn't believe the motives of Oregon Dachshund Rescue are sincere. She alleged that ODR's interest in the dog may revolve around money since a PayPal account for the dog's care that Vanatta controls currently has a balance around $10,000.

"I'm not here to badmouth ODR. I just want what's best of Obie," said Vanatta during the phone interview. "It concerns me that he got famous and ODR had zero concerns and now all of sudden they think I'm mistreating him and they want him back."

Vanatta said email correspondence between her and ODR will refute the accusations against her.

"I'm going to show (the judge) all the times I've taken Obie to the vet and I'm going to show him some parts of the Facebook page about how well he's doing," said Vanatta. "There's just no reason to take him away; he's doing well."
 
2012-10-25 07:13:59 AM  

KrispyKritter: many rescue shelters don't have sufficient room, funds or help to keep all animals. people who provide foster homes upon behalf of the shelter animals are well aware that their service is a much appreciated but temporary solution. foster homes do not have ownership.

big bucks in a PayPal account makes this get weird. bring in some lawyers, they'll take all that money.


You know, I can see the point of fostering a dog for a short time, just to see how the dog adapts to the new environment. A test drive, as it were. But if all works well, why not just adopt the dog?
 
2012-10-25 07:14:31 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Both are wrong
So vote Michael Vick


BSABSVV.
 
2012-10-25 07:26:03 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The relevant complaint is that the dog is not getting whatever vet care was agreed upon. Wish we knew what that was and whether the foster mom has fulfilled that obligation.


The foster mom is a former vet tech, not just some random dog lover, so I'm a bit skeptical that she'd be slacking in that department.
 
2012-10-25 07:30:27 AM  
lewismarktwo:simplicimus:

what you don't understand is that when your tail is so heavy you can't lift it enough for proper introductions, then you will get made fun of, be social outcast and maligned. how can you possibly dismiss such ostracization from a pack centered community? the internalized pain alone must be hell.
 
2012-10-25 07:32:55 AM  
I've followed that Facebook page since the story about this dog broke over the summer. That lady is the furthest thing from an attention whore.. All she does is post updates about Obie, posts videos of Obie w/ her other dogs and take care of the dog.. It's clear the dog is in good hands and her other two dogs have definitely bonded with Obie.. Noggin is awesome..
 
2012-10-25 07:33:44 AM  

JackalRabbit: lewismarktwo:simplicimus:

what you don't understand is that when your tail is so heavy you can't lift it enough for proper introductions, then you will get made fun of, be social outcast and maligned. how can you possibly dismiss such ostracization from a pack centered community? the internalized pain alone must be hell.


Heh. "Your tail looks fat".
 
2012-10-25 07:39:33 AM  
I've been following Obie. Anyone who gives as many status updates and posts as many pictures of the dog they're trying to make healthy as this family does is bound to be taking good care of the dog. I don't care if the agreed upon number of vet visits was reached or not, the dog is on the road to recovery, let him be.
 
2012-10-25 07:43:50 AM  
A 77lb daschie. While I am not surprized (They are walking food-Hoovers) I get really cheesed off that ANY dog owner could let their small dog get that large. Yumpin' Yimminy!

/have had several daschies in my life, including a rescue
//RIP, Brando
 
2012-10-25 07:45:08 AM  

pecosdave: I've been following Obie. Anyone who gives as many status updates and posts as many pictures of the dog they're trying to make healthy as this family does is bound to be taking good care of the dog. I don't care if the agreed upon number of vet visits was reached or not, the dog is on the road to recovery, let him be.


Agreed.In all honesty, you try lugging a resistant 77 pound dog to the vet.
 
2012-10-25 07:46:16 AM  
Dogs do care about how they look. They communicate through body language - Obie's body right now says "I eat everything."

Could be a bad scene around a food-guarding dog!
 
2012-10-25 07:51:27 AM  

varmitydog: They named the dog after officer Obie.


I kind of thought they called him Obie because the dog was obese.
 
2012-10-25 08:00:53 AM  
Show me a shelter that sues to get an animal back, and I'll show you...well, I don't know because that's just crazy. Most shelters aren't even no-kill. They don't have the funds to care for the animals they do have, let alone worry about adopted animals that are being reasonably well cared for. And hiring a lawyer? How many more animals could they care for instead? I can't see any scenario where it turns out the shelter is in the right.
 
2012-10-25 08:00:59 AM  
He looks like a bad little dog.
 
2012-10-25 08:04:06 AM  

1. Put snakes on plane: Show me a shelter that sues to get an animal back, and I'll show you...well, I don't know because that's just crazy. Most shelters aren't even no-kill. They don't have the funds to care for the animals they do have, let alone worry about adopted animals that are being reasonably well cared for. And hiring a lawyer? How many more animals could they care for instead? I can't see any scenario where it turns out the shelter is in the right.


Exactly. This sounds as though the shelter wants some of that Obie PR ka-ching.
 
2012-10-25 08:13:31 AM  
"exploiting him for the sensationalistic promotional value of his unusual obesity, earning money off his public exhibition on national and regional television shows."
...and he finished with, "and I want that money, it's not fair!"
 
2012-10-25 08:14:04 AM  

1. Put snakes on plane: Show me a shelter that sues to get an animal back, and I'll show you...well, I don't know because that's just crazy. Most shelters aren't even no-kill. They don't have the funds to care for the animals they do have, let alone worry about adopted animals that are being reasonably well cared for. And hiring a lawyer? How many more animals could they care for instead? I can't see any scenario where it turns out the shelter is in the right.


I've seen some nazi organizations in my time. Like they'll put in the contract that if they drive by your house and the dog you adopted is in your fenced-in backyard unattended, then they get to confiscate the dog because apparently that makes you history's greatest monster.
 
2012-10-25 08:15:11 AM  
The important thing is that the woman signed a contact by which she would return the dog if requested. This is standard at too many shelters and breeders. I hope the judge strikes that clause as being against public policy.
 
2012-10-25 08:23:05 AM  
Some shelters have a "no posting" policy for foster families. That is, part of the agreement is that you won't put pictures of the animal you're fostering on the web or in the news. Sounds like this woman is breaking that policy, even if well-intended.
 
2012-10-25 08:29:26 AM  

halB: The important thing is that the woman signed a contact by which she would return the dog if requested. This is standard at too many shelters and breeders. I hope the judge strikes that clause as being against public policy.


Then she shouldn't have signed the contract. When I was looking for my current four-legged friend, I was asked to leave a shelter when I questioned them about a clause in their draconian contract that read "We will visit your home. If the cat is declawed, we have the right to seize it".

The sad thing is, this shelter had about 400-500 cats, many of which have been there for YEARS. The animal abusers that run this place believe that a cat spending its life in a 2x2 box with its claws is better than a declawed one put in a good home. When I passed along this info to my vet, they stopped financially supporting it and sending people their way.
 
2012-10-25 08:31:12 AM  

octopied: Agreed.In all honesty, you try lugging a resistant 77 pound dog to the vet.


i'd have an easier time getting that dog to the vet than my healthy one. resistant is one thing. elusive is another. this guy has the elusiveness of an indoor plant.
 
2012-10-25 08:38:50 AM  

chi_tino: Then she shouldn't have signed the contract. When I was looking for my current four-legged friend, I was asked to leave a shelter when I questioned them about a clause in their draconian contract that read "We will visit your home. If the cat is declawed, we have the right to seize it".


Boy, I don't care what's in a damn piece of paper, someone tries taking my cats they're going to find out what pain feels like. That being said, I ended up driving an hour and a half away because the shelters around here wanted more paperwork filled out than it took to buy my house.
 
2012-10-25 08:39:11 AM  

simplicimus: lewismarktwo: AnubisMan: simplicimus: The dog has bonded with the people and with the rest of the pack. Taking him away from that would be cruel.

He had already bonded with a steady diet of McDonalds and they took at away too. This dog already knows life can be cruel when he hears the mocking yelps of the other dogs laughing at him about his weight. He eats because he is depressed, and he is depressed because he eats.

I actually had a woman tell me she thought her dog was being made fun of by the other dogs for being fat. I tried to explain to her that dogs don't give a fark about such things and if anything all want to be as big and fat as possible. She wasn't convinced.

Heh. My wife bought into that commercial about a dog being concerned about it's appearance. Hint: they could care less.


What could they care less about?
 
2012-10-25 08:41:00 AM  
I'm voting money grubbing PR getting on this one.

I guess they figure they would get their name out there. Now they are getting it out there by being Asshats.

Nice move, poor doggie...
 
2012-10-25 08:49:32 AM  

Tanukis_Parachute: simplicimus: lewismarktwo: AnubisMan: simplicimus: The dog has bonded with the people and with the rest of the pack. Taking him away from that would be cruel.

He had already bonded with a steady diet of McDonalds and they took at away too. This dog already knows life can be cruel when he hears the mocking yelps of the other dogs laughing at him about his weight. He eats because he is depressed, and he is depressed because he eats.

I actually had a woman tell me she thought her dog was being made fun of by the other dogs for being fat. I tried to explain to her that dogs don't give a fark about such things and if anything all want to be as big and fat as possible. She wasn't convinced.

Heh. My wife bought into that commercial about a dog being concerned about it's appearance. Hint: they could care less.

What could they care less about?


They could not care less about their appearance. Their scent is something else.
 
2012-10-25 08:55:28 AM  
If the cupboard was left open my Dixie would eat til he weighed 77 lbs. He pretty much will never stop if you let him. I had to slim him down from 16 to 13 lbs when I got him (free Craigslist) but the dog is a fatty in his soul. He has even managed to get on the dining table when we are out of the room to eat cupcakes/ cookies or whatever baked good we might leave out.

/ lady sounds like she is doing a great job, effing shelter is stupid!
 
2012-10-25 09:00:43 AM  
For every story like this, 10 people buy a puppy from a puppy mill.
 
2012-10-25 09:06:29 AM  

Keywork99: varmitydog: They named the dog after officer Obie.

I kind of thought they called him Obie because the dog was obese.


"The 's' is silent."
 
2012-10-25 09:11:29 AM  

ace in your face: If the cupboard was left open my Dixie would eat til he weighed 77 lbs. He pretty much will never stop if you let him. I had to slim him down from 16 to 13 lbs when I got him (free Craigslist) but the dog is a fatty in his soul. He has even managed to get on the dining table when we are out of the room to eat cupcakes/ cookies or whatever baked good we might leave out.


This is why I hate dachshunds and beagles. With my toy poodles, I could've the bag open on the floor and they'd just nibble at it occasionally. Even the one for whom "are you going to eat that?" seemed to be her inner monologue, she wouldn't eat if she wasn't hungry.
 
2012-10-25 09:13:08 AM  

you have pee hands: For every story like this, 10 people buy a puppy from a puppy mill.


Guilty on one count, my English Springer. The other, Cocker Spaniel, we intercepted on his way to the shelter.
 
2012-10-25 09:21:44 AM  

simplicimus: Guilty on one count, my English Springer. The other, Cocker Spaniel, we intercepted on his way to the shelter.


I can't blame you. Lots of shelters make people jump through all sorts of hoops. They may mean well, but since the alternative is putting the animals down... it seems rather self defeating.
 
2012-10-25 09:41:30 AM  

varmitydog: After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your wallet and your belt."
And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?"
And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings."
I said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"

Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat,
and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.

They named the dog after officer Obie. Ain't no wonder the damn dog is having all sorts of problems.


Are there 27 8×10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one is and how they relate to the alleged dog abuse?
 
2012-10-25 09:57:59 AM  

you have pee hands: simplicimus: Guilty on one count, my English Springer. The other, Cocker Spaniel, we intercepted on his way to the shelter.

I can't blame you. Lots of shelters make people jump through all sorts of hoops. They may mean well, but since the alternative is putting the animals down... it seems rather self defeating.


The poor Cocker, who had been abused, bonded instantly with the Springer. Took him three days to get around to bonding with us.
 
2012-10-25 10:07:32 AM  
"Filed a court order" ?

I think you mean obtained.
 
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