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2012-10-25 02:50:22 AM

The Southern Dandy: sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: OW! I just bruised my forehead.


Right there with you.

Very logical responses...not surprising coming from people who can't even tell that the headline of the article is a blatant lie that contradicts the actual law in question.

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Trouble reading? The headline says that the applicant must prove that she was raped. The law says that she must certify that she reported that she was raped. They contradict each other as to what is required of a welfare applicant.
 
2012-10-25 02:50:35 AM
No wonder people call my god damned state Pennsyltucky. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2012-10-25 02:52:32 AM
This wouldn't be so bad if it were a different bill, but seriously, folks - requiring women to prove they were raped before receiving the photo ID they need to vote? Isn't that just a little bit over the line?
 
2012-10-25 02:53:31 AM

sticky2shoes: mediablitz: sticky2shoes: What a dumb comment.

Yes, your comment certainly is.

"Pro-life", are ya?

Huh? How is a law that encourages people to get more abortions by cutting off welfare "pro-life"?


I'm asking YOU if you consider yourself "pro-life".

Simple question
 
2012-10-25 02:53:40 AM
"Want to guess which party inserted the provision?"

Both? *checks article* Oooh, I'm going to the kitchen for a cookie.
 
2012-10-25 02:54:47 AM
Not that this would drive me away on its own, but the cumulative not giving a crap about people who arent them....

I am DONE with the republican party. Ive been telling myself Im going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I am still basically a republican, but the social side of the republican party is just not something I am comfortable associating with.
 
2012-10-25 02:56:00 AM

I sound fat: Not that this would drive me away on its own, but the cumulative not giving a crap about people who arent them....

I am DONE with the republican party. Ive been telling myself Im going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I am still basically a republican, but the social side of the republican party is just not something I am comfortable associating with.


You think Libertarians give a shiat about other people??!?!
 
2012-10-25 02:57:07 AM

mediablitz: sticky2shoes: mediablitz: sticky2shoes: What a dumb comment.

Yes, your comment certainly is.

"Pro-life", are ya?

Huh? How is a law that encourages people to get more abortions by cutting off welfare "pro-life"?

I'm asking YOU if you consider yourself "pro-life".

Simple question


Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.
 
2012-10-25 03:00:14 AM

I sound fat: Not that this would drive me away on its own, but the cumulative not giving a crap about people who arent them....

I am DONE with the republican party. Ive been telling myself Im going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I am still basically a republican, but the social side of the republican party is just not something I am comfortable associating with.


This law is even more libertarian (low taxes, no using power of the government to force people to donate money to poor people) than traditionally Republican (subsidizing childrearing because "be fruitful and multiply", discourage abortion, etc.)
 
2012-10-25 03:00:19 AM
Maybe I've missed it in another thread or above, but is there a FARKING REASON the GOP is obsessive about rape?

The only thing I can think of is a high number of spoiled rich male children (as well as their fathers) wanting protection as they physically fark over women. Has the number of allegations and investigations of rich kids accused of rape increased in recent years?
 
2012-10-25 03:01:54 AM
This provision accomplishes nothing. There's not a deadline on when a woman can file rape charges. So, if a woman with a (for example) six month old child (product of rape or not) files for assistance and is told she has one kid too many, she can simply call the cops and report that she was raped fifteen months ago (whether that's the case or not) and has no idea who attacked her. She gets her police report, she gets her assistance, nothing changes except the woman, already in a desperate state, had to bear the added insult of being treated like a second class citizen.

This does not encourage women to report rapes, though it could be argued it encourages the filing of false claims. It makes it harder to get assistance. I can't stand the mentality that making a child suffer is a productive way to punish that child's parent (which is what happens when "x" number of children get assistance but "x+1" is too many). I understand preventing abuse of the system is a desirable goal, but treating people with a sense of humanity should also be a desirable goal.

Hey, wanna reduce the number of "welfare queens" in the country? Stop cutting the farking education budget. Stop restricting contraception and abortion. Stop treating women like they're all slutty whores.
 
2012-10-25 03:02:42 AM

Alphax: SanchezSucio: I love all this Hate Mongering by "tolerant open minded liberals" talking about what hate mongers all Republicans are. The headline was so sensationalized it did not even match the article. Just another day of Left-wing yellow journalism. I love how "all" Republicans are labeled as racist woman haters, female Republicans are called traitors and black Republicans are called Uncle Toms and worse, while any sexist comments by female liberals or racist comments by liberal minorities are tolerated and encouraged. Every time I hear some complaint about Republicans/conservatives are turning extreme, it just comes off as a Projection. 
It is funny how it came out 24 hours ago the Obama White House lied about Benghazi on day 1 for the election and the President went campaigning. This is disgusting behavior, but not a peep and no green light article on Fark.

Not one thing you said is true. Looks like another old account reactivated and given to a troll.


Same guy. I see you just drink all the party koolaid. Have you seen the reaction to Stacey Dash supporting Romney? Its disgusting behavior. Libs never put their great leaders or commentators under any of the scrutiny they put the political right under. All the things you hate Bush for, which abama continued, the outrage seems to have disappeared.
 
2012-10-25 03:04:24 AM
i don't see the problem with reporting rape if you have been raped.
instead of making it a punishment, make it a 'reward' or 'normal'.

if you're going to accuse someone of raping you, that's serious business.
it's just not right that rape is the only crime where someone's word
is supposed to be 'good enough'. .. and there is no defense for the falsely accused.

you want to claim rape, do the right thing: press charges.
or shut the fk up.
 
2012-10-25 03:04:39 AM

SanchezSucio: Alphax: SanchezSucio: I love all this Hate Mongering by "tolerant open minded liberals" talking about what hate mongers all Republicans are. The headline was so sensationalized it did not even match the article. Just another day of Left-wing yellow journalism. I love how "all" Republicans are labeled as racist woman haters, female Republicans are called traitors and black Republicans are called Uncle Toms and worse, while any sexist comments by female liberals or racist comments by liberal minorities are tolerated and encouraged. Every time I hear some complaint about Republicans/conservatives are turning extreme, it just comes off as a Projection. 
It is funny how it came out 24 hours ago the Obama White House lied about Benghazi on day 1 for the election and the President went campaigning. This is disgusting behavior, but not a peep and no green light article on Fark.

Not one thing you said is true. Looks like another old account reactivated and given to a troll.

Same guy. I see you just drink all the party koolaid. Have you seen the reaction to Stacey Dash supporting Romney? Its disgusting behavior. Libs never put their great leaders or commentators under any of the scrutiny they put the political right under. All the things you hate Bush for, which abama continued, the outrage seems to have disappeared.


Fine, fine, you're the same guy. Plonk!
 
2012-10-25 03:05:34 AM

Tarkus: Drafted by Pennsylvania lawmakers - State Reps. RoseMarie Swanger (R), Tom Caltagirone (D), Mark Gillen (R), Keith Gillespie (R), Adam Harris (R), and Mike Tobash (R).


So of course, that makes it all okay.
 
2012-10-25 03:06:35 AM

sticky2shoes: Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.


It is relevant, considering the confirmation bias in your earlier post.

"Welfare Queens', shows you WANT to believe the worst. Everyone having kids before they can "afford" them is irresponsible.

The average cost of a child is about a million dollars to 18 years old. You think everyone who has a kid without having a million bucks on hand is "irresponsible", or do you plan to equivocate?

You are clearly angry, lack empathy, and (I'm guessing) consider yourself a "Libertarian" or some other BS that allows you to justify (to yourself) being such a close minded, shiatty human being.
 
2012-10-25 03:07:07 AM
If you would just sign this official Proof of Rape certificate on your way out, I would be much obliged, sir. No, it's okay, I'm a notary.
 
2012-10-25 03:08:57 AM
You know what brand of assholes is even worse than the people who propose this sort of legislation? The people who defend them. Nothing incenses me so much as people who are willing to defend assholes and cover up for them. It's bad enough that we have evil motherfarkers in this world -- do we really need people who go around defending them and covering up for them? Well. I know where your loyalties lie, and I say this: fark you, you evil motherfarking assholes.
 
2012-10-25 03:09:09 AM

sticky2shoes: Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.


When my daughter was born in 1990, I was making a little over 100k a year. She had some very serious medical issues at birth that insurance didn't want to cover.

We nearly had to file for bankruptcy over the medical bills. CLEARLY, based on your post, we were irresponsible for having a child when we "couldn't afford it".

That is how farking idiotic your blanket condemnations are.
 
2012-10-25 03:10:46 AM
I hope someday Republicans learn to love their children more than they hate their fellow Americans.
 
2012-10-25 03:10:57 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Parmenius: What ever happened to the Fark(tm) proposal to start referring to the GOP as the "White Male Christian Nationalist Party"?

Too long... Maybe the National Social Party.


They're hardly social. Maybe they should be called the National Anti-Social Independent Party.

/I did NASI that
 
2012-10-25 03:11:39 AM

blueviking: //yeah, it'll never happen, accountability being nonexistent in politics


In my experience, this is the truth. Accountability is a rare orchid that almost always germinates from people holding themselves accountable; whole communities rise up to block external calls for it.
 
2012-10-25 03:11:56 AM

mediablitz: sticky2shoes: Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.

It is relevant, considering the confirmation bias in your earlier post.

"Welfare Queens', shows you WANT to believe the worst. Everyone having kids before they can "afford" them is irresponsible.

The average cost of a child is about a million dollars to 18 years old. You think everyone who has a kid without having a million bucks on hand is "irresponsible", or do you plan to equivocate?

You are clearly angry, lack empathy, and (I'm guessing) consider yourself a "Libertarian" or some other BS that allows you to justify (to yourself) being such a close minded, shiatty human being.


This post contains at least 3 more incorrect assumptions about me and my views, on top of the "pro-life" remark. Try sticking to the debate at hand instead of reading minds.
 
2012-10-25 03:13:09 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: i don't see the problem with reporting rape if you have been raped.
instead of making it a punishment, make it a 'reward' or 'normal'.

if you're going to accuse someone of raping you, that's serious business.
it's just not right that rape is the only crime where someone's word
is supposed to be 'good enough'. .. and there is no defense for the falsely accused.

you want to claim rape, do the right thing: press charges.
or shut the fk up.



It is a very emotionally charged subject, and it's difficult to take any sort of objective practical position without being labeled a nazi baby killer rapist cannibal. But, in some circumstances I can see the point of this. I can't, for example, make an insurance claim for a robbery, if I never reported a robbery to the police and can't prove anything was taken.
 
2012-10-25 03:14:02 AM

sticky2shoes: This post contains at least 3 more incorrect assumptions about me and my views, on top of the "pro-life" remark. Try sticking to the debate at hand instead of reading minds.


What? You don't like it when someone makes incorrect assumptions about YOU?

But you happily call women "welfare queens"? Happily make assumptions about people YOU DON'T KNOW?

GASP. It's as if... You are a douche bag hypocrite!

/my work is done here
//you'll ignore your own failings
 
2012-10-25 03:14:10 AM

SanchezSucio: Alphax: SanchezSucio: I love all this Hate Mongering by "tolerant open minded liberals" talking about what hate mongers all Republicans are. The headline was so sensationalized it did not even match the article. Just another day of Left-wing yellow journalism. I love how "all" Republicans are labeled as racist woman haters, female Republicans are called traitors and black Republicans are called Uncle Toms and worse, while any sexist comments by female liberals or racist comments by liberal minorities are tolerated and encouraged. Every time I hear some complaint about Republicans/conservatives are turning extreme, it just comes off as a Projection. 
It is funny how it came out 24 hours ago the Obama White House lied about Benghazi on day 1 for the election and the President went campaigning. This is disgusting behavior, but not a peep and no green light article on Fark.

Not one thing you said is true. Looks like another old account reactivated and given to a troll.

Same guy. I see you just drink all the party koolaid. Have you seen the reaction to Stacey Dash supporting Romney? Its disgusting behavior. Libs never put their great leaders or commentators under any of the scrutiny they put the political right under. All the things you hate Bush for, which abama continued, the outrage seems to have disappeared.


Blah blah blah.

Obviously, you weren't here for the intense subatomic dissection of the "Bengazi lie" that we did just last week when your precious "lie" came out. The scrutiny was intense and blistering. And at the end, nobody on the right could tell anyone on the left exactly what would have been accomplished had the President said on 9/12 "Yes, this was a terrorist attack" that wasn't accomplished by waiting till he knew for sure two weeks later that it was in fact a terrorist attack. And neither will you be able to. What we do know, by your bringing it up in a totally unrelated thread, is that you are someone's precious little alt, probably kept in reserve for just such an occasion, and you need to crawl back under your bridge now.
 
2012-10-25 03:14:52 AM

dramboxf: Just to be specific, and you can quote me:

Anti-abortion legislation is always, and without fail, anti-f**king legislation.

Without fail.


Anti-f**king is gender neutral. Or rather, would or should affect either gender. The anti-abortion platform has been, and will always be, the anti-women-enjoying-sex-for-the-sake-of-sex platform.
 
2012-10-25 03:15:15 AM

sticky2shoes: mediablitz: sticky2shoes: Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.

It is relevant, considering the confirmation bias in your earlier post.

"Welfare Queens', shows you WANT to believe the worst. Everyone having kids before they can "afford" them is irresponsible.

The average cost of a child is about a million dollars to 18 years old. You think everyone who has a kid without having a million bucks on hand is "irresponsible", or do you plan to equivocate?

You are clearly angry, lack empathy, and (I'm guessing) consider yourself a "Libertarian" or some other BS that allows you to justify (to yourself) being such a close minded, shiatty human being.

This post contains at least 3 more incorrect assumptions about me and my views, on top of the "pro-life" remark. Try sticking to the debate at hand instead of reading minds.


Incorrect? So you were lying about your views on all of your posts in this thread?

Either you lied before, or you are lying now.
 
2012-10-25 03:16:29 AM

geek_mars: This provision accomplishes nothing. There's not a deadline on when a woman can file rape charges. So, if a woman with a (for example) six month old child (product of rape or not) files for assistance and is told she has one kid too many, she can simply call the cops and report that she was raped fifteen months ago (whether that's the case or not) and has no idea who attacked her. She gets her police report, she gets her assistance, nothing changes except the woman, already in a desperate state, had to bear the added insult of being treated like a second class citizen.

This does not encourage women to report rapes, though it could be argued it encourages the filing of false claims. It makes it harder to get assistance. I can't stand the mentality that making a child suffer is a productive way to punish that child's parent (which is what happens when "x" number of children get assistance but "x+1" is too many). I understand preventing abuse of the system is a desirable goal, but treating people with a sense of humanity should also be a desirable

What this law accomplishes is enabling a punishment for people who lie about being raped to get welfare, because they can be charged with filing a false police report. They may not be the brightest people to begin with, but "I could go to jail for lying to the police to get welfare" will play into their decision to raise the baby without welfare, give it up for adoption, move to a state with different rules, abort, or abstain or use contraception the next time around.
 
2012-10-25 03:17:50 AM

SanchezSucio: I love all this Hate Mongering by "tolerant open minded liberals" talking about what hate mongers all Republicans are.


If you Publicans don't want to be called evil, then stop promoting evil policies.

You want to defund the welfare queens? So do I. The likes of Halliburton, Northrup Grumman and Monsanto can get bootstrappy and make their own damn profits. Rmoney, OTOH, has already started beating the war drums against Iran. It's one of the few things he hasn't flip-flopped on.
 
2012-10-25 03:18:18 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: ExperianScaresCthulhu: i don't see the problem with reporting rape if you have been raped.
instead of making it a punishment, make it a 'reward' or 'normal'.

if you're going to accuse someone of raping you, that's serious business.
it's just not right that rape is the only crime where someone's word
is supposed to be 'good enough'. .. and there is no defense for the falsely accused.

you want to claim rape, do the right thing: press charges.
or shut the fk up.


It is a very emotionally charged subject, and it's difficult to take any sort of objective practical position without being labeled a nazi baby killer rapist cannibal. But, in some circumstances I can see the point of this. I can't, for example, make an insurance claim for a robbery, if I never reported a robbery to the police and can't prove anything was taken.


It's money to feed the children of desperately poor women. You people will come up with any justification so you don't have to shell out a few pennies for people who aren't you/your family that you like.

Also, pretty much every guy that opens his mouth and says "women should have to prove they were raped or they should shut up" has no women in his life who think he's worth opening up too about anything bad that has happened to them - they know you have no sympathy.
 
2012-10-25 03:20:19 AM

mediablitz: sticky2shoes: This post contains at least 3 more incorrect assumptions about me and my views, on top of the "pro-life" remark. Try sticking to the debate at hand instead of reading minds.

What? You don't like it when someone makes incorrect assumptions about YOU?

But you happily call women "welfare queens"? Happily make assumptions about people YOU DON'T KNOW?

GASP. It's as if... You are a douche bag hypocrite!

/my work is done here
//you'll ignore your own failings


You really do have reading comprehension issues. You made several false assumptions about ME (while ignoring all of the relevant issues and misunderstanding the article itself.) I made a statement about welfare queens without labeling any particular person as a part of that group. Unless you just think that there is no such thing as a welfare queen, which is outright delusional.
 
2012-10-25 03:21:05 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: But, in some circumstances I can see the point of this. I can't, for example, make an insurance claim for a robbery, if I never reported a robbery to the police and can't prove anything was taken.



It always amazes me that the best comparison many men can come up with for rape is property crime. It's... a very dehumanizing way to discuss the subject.
 
Besides the point though. As I said above- there is no reason on earth why the circumstances around a child's conception should affect whether or not their parents can receive minimal government assistance to help keep them fed.

 Seriously, these benefits are next to nothing. The people who receive them are STILL living in desperate poverty.
 
2012-10-25 03:21:32 AM

Genevieve Marie: IamAwake: ok honestly - I'm confused. So it's ok for a woman to claim - in welfare benefits - that she was raped...without having actually filed a charge with anyone? The woman isn't required to prove anything other than that she filed a report - the burden of proof of the actual crime isn't on her. Normally I'd be all "ah, another stupid anti-human (both genders, lets be real here) repub law..." but...really? Misleading rewording of headline much, subby? What exactly is /wrong/ about what they're doing here?

You're missing the big picture- why on earth does a woman NEED to discuss the circumstances surrounding her child's conception to obtain welfare benefits for that child?


Exactly. If the GOP is truly pro-life, well, here's a real-life god-sworn living person, the newly minted child straight out of the vajayjay chute. Now show me how pro-life you are. Make that person get the most of his one chance here on earth. Or would you rather condemn that newborn to poverty and misery for its possibly short span here on earth?
 
2012-10-25 03:22:24 AM
Feh, did any of you morons even read the article?

The Pennsylvania House is trying to pass a bill that if a woman is already on TANF she can't get an increase in benefits if she conceives and gives birth again. And what really is wrong with that? If you're on government assistance already why should you get more taxpayer money by having another kid? Shouldn't a woman be expected to control her reproductive situation? So with that, this bill has an exception saying that if a woman can show she was raped and decides to have the child then she will be granted an exception.

Meaning, she's being held responsible for her own actions, but if she gets pregnant outside of her control(yes, rape, as horrible as that is) she'll be granted an exception and receive more government assistance for the child. The whole rape exception is the government acknowledging that if a woman is raped, gets pregnant, and doesn't want to abort the baby, the government(meaning you, me, the taxpayer) will provide for the baby. It's an exception made out of compassion, you dolts.

And by the way, there was a Democrat who sponsored the bill.

But hey, don't actually put any effort into reading and thinking, that might actually cause a a new synapse to form between two nuerons in that thick skull of yours. Much easier to get pissed, turn to your own preconceived notions about the other team, and rage on fark.
 
2012-10-25 03:22:51 AM

Big Dave: It's money to feed the children of desperately poor women. You people will come up with any justification so you don't have to shell out a few pennies for people who aren't you/your family that you like.

Also, pretty much every guy that opens his mouth and says "women should have to prove they were raped or they should shut up" has no women in his life who think he's worth opening up too about anything bad that has happened to them - they know you have no sympathy.


So other than "think of the children!" and personal attacks about how I am friendless, did you have some point that doesn't involve purely irrational emotion?
 
2012-10-25 03:23:09 AM

sticky2shoes: Unless you just think that there is no such thing as a welfare queen, which is outright delusional.



There is no such thing as a welfare queen. That implies that welfare provides a very high standard of living, which is a blantant mischaracterization. Also, welfare benefits in this country are not permanent and have time restrictions imposed, unless someone is disabled and unable to work.

So yes, I think it's quite delusional to think there are people living on easy street because of government benefits.
 
2012-10-25 03:23:42 AM
Lets legalize rape and end this discussion, Join the Republicans for rape ticket.
 
2012-10-25 03:24:33 AM

Alphax: sticky2shoes: mediablitz: sticky2shoes: Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.

It is relevant, considering the confirmation bias in your earlier post.

"Welfare Queens', shows you WANT to believe the worst. Everyone having kids before they can "afford" them is irresponsible.

The average cost of a child is about a million dollars to 18 years old. You think everyone who has a kid without having a million bucks on hand is "irresponsible", or do you plan to equivocate?

You are clearly angry, lack empathy, and (I'm guessing) consider yourself a "Libertarian" or some other BS that allows you to justify (to yourself) being such a close minded, shiatty human being.

This post contains at least 3 more incorrect assumptions about me and my views, on top of the "pro-life" remark. Try sticking to the debate at hand instead of reading minds.

Incorrect? So you were lying about your views on all of your posts in this thread?

Either you lied before, or you are lying now.

Huh? Link to where I said that I was pro-life, a libertarian, etc? Thanks.
 
2012-10-25 03:25:30 AM

blindpreacher: Feh, did any of you morons even read the article?

The Pennsylvania House is trying to pass a bill that if a woman is already on TANF she can't get an increase in benefits if she conceives and gives birth again. And what really is wrong with that? If you're on government assistance already why should you get more taxpayer money by having another kid? Shouldn't a woman be expected to control her reproductive situation? So with that, this bill has an exception saying that if a woman can show she was raped and decides to have the child then she will be granted an exception.

Meaning, she's being held responsible for her own actions, but if she gets pregnant outside of her control(yes, rape, as horrible as that is) she'll be granted an exception and receive more government assistance for the child. The whole rape exception is the government acknowledging that if a woman is raped, gets pregnant, and doesn't want to abort the baby, the government(meaning you, me, the taxpayer) will provide for the baby. It's an exception made out of compassion, you dolts.

And by the way, there was a Democrat who sponsored the bill.

But hey, don't actually put any effort into reading and thinking, that might actually cause a a new synapse to form between two nuerons in that thick skull of yours. Much easier to get pissed, turn to your own preconceived notions about the other team, and rage on fark.


Yes, we all understand the article. Fully. It's offensive. It's about time for another "Lucky Ducky" cartoon about the people who defend this shiat.
 
2012-10-25 03:25:42 AM

blindpreacher: Shouldn't a woman be expected to control her reproductive situation?


Not when that control is taken out of her hands by draconian legislation that defunds clinics that provide contraception and that make abortion inaccessible.

I don't know why this is so hard to grasp: it is cruel and punishing to remove all the tools women use to control our reproductive health and then blame us for having no control over our reproductive situations.

 
 
2012-10-25 03:27:08 AM

Alphax: Yes, we all understand the article. Fully. It's offensive. It's about time for another "Lucky Ducky" cartoon about the people who defend this shiat.


God forbid in this day and age an adult woman should be expected to be responsible for her own reproduction.
 
2012-10-25 03:28:35 AM

Genevieve Marie: blindpreacher: Shouldn't a woman be expected to control her reproductive situation?

Not when that control is taken out of her hands by draconian legislation that defunds clinics that provide contraception and that make abortion inaccessible.

I don't know why this is so hard to grasp: it is cruel and punishing to remove all the tools women use to control our reproductive health and then blame us for having no control over our reproductive situations.


No where in the article is it mentioned the bill is trying to limit access to birth control or abortions. You're trying to fit the article to your own narrative.
 
2012-10-25 03:30:00 AM

blindpreacher: No where in the article is it mentioned the bill is trying to limit access to birth control or abortions. You're trying to fit the article to your own narrative.



Yea, you're either being willfully obtuse or you've only just now awakened from a Rip Van Winkleesque sleep and you've missed the last two or three years of legislation on contraceptive access and abortion rights.
 
2012-10-25 03:30:26 AM

StopArrestingMe: Oh great, more of the fake "war on women".


Horror movies. The category is horror movies.

(I love these!)
 
2012-10-25 03:30:29 AM

Genevieve Marie: blindpreacher: Shouldn't a woman be expected to control her reproductive situation?

Not when that control is taken out of her hands by draconian legislation that defunds clinics that provide contraception and that make abortion inaccessible.

I don't know why this is so hard to grasp: it is cruel and punishing to remove all the tools women use to control our reproductive health and then blame us for having no control over our reproductive situations.


If you weren't raped, you had control. If you were raped, the law still allows you to get welfare.
 
2012-10-25 03:30:35 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: i don't see the problem with reporting rape if you have been raped.
instead of making it a punishment, make it a 'reward' or 'normal'.

if you're going to accuse someone of raping you, that's serious business.
it's just not right that rape is the only crime where someone's word
is supposed to be 'good enough'. .. and there is no defense for the falsely accused.

you want to claim rape, do the right thing: press charges.
or shut the fk up.


I can think of at least two examples of why a woman may have reservations about reporting that she was raped, especially if she ended up pregnant as a result:

1. Rape trials are often very messy, traumatizing sagas in which the victim's entire life is exposed and the defense attorney will do anything they can to shift the blame to the victim.

2. In 31 states the law allows the rapist to sue for parental rights. The first time I read this I thought "that's ridiculous, that can't be true", but it is.
 
2012-10-25 03:31:57 AM

Genevieve Marie: blindpreacher: No where in the article is it mentioned the bill is trying to limit access to birth control or abortions. You're trying to fit the article to your own narrative.


Yea, you're either being willfully obtuse or you've only just now awakened from a Rip Van Winkleesque sleep and you've missed the last two or three years of legislation on contraceptive access and abortion rights.


In the Pennsylvania House by the same four Republicans and one Democrat that are sponsoring this bill?
 
2012-10-25 03:31:58 AM

blindpreacher: Alphax: Yes, we all understand the article. Fully. It's offensive. It's about time for another "Lucky Ducky" cartoon about the people who defend this shiat.

God forbid in this day and age an adult woman should be expected to be responsible for her own reproduction.


Stop talking. Step away from the thread before you dishonor yourself further.
 
2012-10-25 03:33:27 AM

mediablitz: sticky2shoes: Irrelevant question, but the answer is no since you're curious.

When my daughter was born in 1990, I was making a little over 100k a year. She had some very serious medical issues at birth that insurance didn't want to cover.

We nearly had to file for bankruptcy over the medical bills. CLEARLY, based on your post, we were irresponsible for having a child when we "couldn't afford it".

That is how farking idiotic your blanket condemnations are.


The law in question applies to people who ALREADY have a child on welfare and then get pregnant again through consensual sex. Doesn't sound like that applies to you if you were making 100k.
 
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