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2012-10-25 02:14:30 AM
Wait, why are they bothering with this shiat? There ARE NO RAPE BABIES. Aren't these the same buttholes that believe a woman can't get pregnant if she's raped?

/Illegitimate legislation is illegitimate.
 
2012-10-25 02:14:31 AM
"I'm pregnant again."
"Why? You know this eliminates your benefits"
"I was raped."
"Ok. Did you report the assault?"
"No."
"But you want me to believe that you were raped."
"Yes."
"Even though you're providing no proof whatsoever."
"Yes."
"And even if the sex was consensual, it's in your best interests to lie about being raped to keep your benefits."
"Yep."
...
 
2012-10-25 02:15:03 AM

IamAwake: ok honestly - I'm confused. So it's ok for a woman to claim - in welfare benefits - that she was raped...without having actually filed a charge with anyone? The woman isn't required to prove anything other than that she filed a report - the burden of proof of the actual crime isn't on her. Normally I'd be all "ah, another stupid anti-human (both genders, lets be real here) repub law..." but...really? Misleading rewording of headline much, subby? What exactly is /wrong/ about what they're doing here?


You're missing the big picture- why on earth does a woman NEED to discuss the circumstances surrounding her child's conception to obtain welfare benefits for that child?
 
2012-10-25 02:15:10 AM
I support this bill. For one, the woman does not have to prove she was raped. She just has to prove that she reported it (as in showing a copy of the Police Report, which she will automatically receive a copy of when she reports it). Also, the intent is to prevent a woman from defrauding the government. As it is now a mother can only receive funds for up to and including X number of kids. She is not eligible for additional benefits for kid number X + 1, unless the child was conceived because the woman was raped. Up to now there was no way to vet whether or not this was true. Now all a woman has to do is provide a copy of the police report.
 
2012-10-25 02:16:53 AM

Jim_Callahan: Some day Christianity's going to have to stop passing the buck and accept that y'all's religion makes you demonstrably worse people than you would otherwise be on a regular basis.


Maybe another 2000 years?

But then I'm really going to be out of patience.
 
2012-10-25 02:17:05 AM

MorrisBird: What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged.


Did you even try reading the article, or just the typical lying HuffPo headline? It clearly says that the rapist must be identified IF KNOWN.
 
2012-10-25 02:17:14 AM
Reading? WTF is it for?
 
2012-10-25 02:18:14 AM

Talondel: They may well be doing that in other places, but this isn't one of them. This is waging a war on 'welfare moms' that contains an exception for rape victims.


Strawman. Might as well wage war on people struck by lightning twice.
 
2012-10-25 02:20:24 AM

Weaver95: And people wondered why I switched to Democrat....


For the record, while 4 of the people who proposed this were Republicans, the 5th was a Democrat.
 
2012-10-25 02:21:54 AM
If women were allowed easy access to abortion this wouldn't be an issue, but there we have another arena that the republicans have put their foot in. I can't imagine women even wanting a child that was forced on them through brutality.
 
2012-10-25 02:22:08 AM
Heh, subby said "inserted". Heh.
 
2012-10-25 02:22:40 AM

Talondel: LadyHawke: Well, to be fair, it says they have to prove they reported they were raped, not prove they were raped.

It doesn't even say that. It says they have to submit a signed, notarized statement indicating that she reported it to the authorities. A law that encourages the reporting of rape to the proper authorities? The horror. Truly PA republicans are monsters.

Oh, and I like how Huff Po goes from "prove they were raped" in the headline to "prove that she reported her assault" in the article, and then three paragraphs in reveal that both the headline and the opening sentence were lies. Your blog sucks.dramboxf: Anti-abortion legislation is always, and without fail, anti-f**king legislation.

This isn't anti-abortion legislation. It's anti 'get pregnant while poor and on welfare' legislation, which contains an exception for women who were victims of rape or incest and reported it (or are willing to submit a signed notarized statement that they reported it).

MorrisBird: They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims.

They may well be doing that in other places, but this isn't one of them. This is waging a war on 'welfare moms' that contains an exception for rape victims.

There's plenty not to like about this bill, but so far Huff Po and the vast majority of the people posting in this thread are too farking stupid to figure out what it actually is.


As much as I hate the right wing if people read TFA it's a non issue that has nothing to do with proving rape and everything to do with making people on public aid act like responsible adults I wish I could find something wrong with the bill just because it was introduced by republicans but it looks like the blind squrril found a nutt for the first time in 10 years
 
2012-10-25 02:22:43 AM

yukichigai: See, I understand what they're getting at. I do, I really do. It's a bit of a loophole, and theoretically some Ebul Welfare Queen could claim that all seven of her chil'uns is rape-babies, BUT THAT'S WHAT AUDITS ARE FOR.

You think people are abusing the system? Fine. Look for warning signs, and check the suspicious ones. You don't go around assuming every single welfare mother is lying and demand they prove otherwise. That's the "guilty until proven innocent" theory of law, and it has no place in the American legal system.

Coincidentally though, do you fundie wackadoos know where "guilty until proven innocent" is the core of the law? Muslim countries that practice Sharia law. Y'know, Sharia law, that thing you all seem so insanely worried about taking root here? Ringing any bells?


How exactly would you perform an "audit" if you can't even ask whether the alleged victim filed a police report or knows the name of her attacker? Refusing to report a rape while claiming rape for the purpose of getting free money from the government IS a "warning sign."
 
2012-10-25 02:23:03 AM
Seriously, the ONLY reason to write a bill like this is malice towards poor women.
 
2012-10-25 02:24:10 AM

AbbeySomeone: If women were allowed easy access to abortion this wouldn't be an issue, but there we have another arena that the republicans have put their foot in. I can't imagine women even wanting a child that was forced on them through brutality.


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And we all know that PA is one of those states without access to abortions. Derp.
 
2012-10-25 02:24:24 AM

GAT_00: Fark It: If the GOP really cared about clamping down on welfare or at least getting more out of it they'd require that welfare recipients who are not employed volunteer at least 20 hours a week.

So your solution to reducing welfare is to make volunteering a job? You realize you can't call it volunteering if you're required to do it right? Then it's a job that you aren't being paid for.


Ooh, I know a word for being forced to do a job you aren't paid for. That's a great thing to associate with racially-charged issues like welfare.

I'll bet that's something Republicans want to bring back. How ironic that one of them ended it. Today's Republicans would have despised Lincoln.
 
2012-10-25 02:24:38 AM

Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 483x1500]


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-25 02:24:41 AM

Alphax: Seriously, the ONLY reason to write a bill like this is malice towards poor all women.

 
2012-10-25 02:26:12 AM

Bhruic: Weaver95: And people wondered why I switched to Democrat....

For the record, while 4 of the people who proposed this were Republicans, the 5th was a Democrat.


Hey now, facts have no business being in this thread. :P
 
2012-10-25 02:26:34 AM

Lionel Mandrake: So, they'll help you raise your rape baby, but your broken condom baby gets nothing?


...unless you lie and say your baby daddy (I love that term) forced himself upon you, which will lead to more poor men going to jail for sexual assault.

This is win-win for the GOP, as more poor people in prison means more money for the for-profit prison system.

/Honestly starting to get physically sick of what's going on in this country.
 
2012-10-25 02:28:23 AM

david_gaithersburg: And we all know that PA is one of those states without access to abortions. Derp.



82% of counties in Pennsylvania have no abortion provider. 46% of women in Pennsylvania live in those counties. Pennsylvania also has mandated counseling designed to discourage abortion and a mandatory 24 hour waiting period.

That may sound like no big deal until you consider the fact that someone who requires welfare benefits and qualifies is already pretty desperately poor... so affording not one, but two days off of work, plus transporatation to another county and lodgings there is actually a pretty big burden on abortion access.

 Source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/pennsylvania.html 
 
2012-10-25 02:28:36 AM

andino: It kind of makes you wonder how many of these Republican politicians are rapists themselves. Not necessarily recently, but more likely when they were in high school or college. They may have committed their crimes years ago, but they still are, and always will be, rapists.

How else can you explain their sympathy--and even affinity--for rapists?


What a dumb comment. The law is AGAINST rapists. It gives rape victims a financial incentive to report their rape to the police, which allows the rape to be investigated, so the rapist can get caught and be stopped from raping more women. Rape is already underreported, so they're putting a financial benefit behind speaking out, and at the same time, preserving limited tax resources to help rape victims instead of welfare queens who get pregnant irresponsibly and expect everyone else to pay for their decisions.
 
2012-10-25 02:29:30 AM

sticky2shoes: andino: It kind of makes you wonder how many of these Republican politicians are rapists themselves. Not necessarily recently, but more likely when they were in high school or college. They may have committed their crimes years ago, but they still are, and always will be, rapists.

How else can you explain their sympathy--and even affinity--for rapists?

What a dumb comment. The law is AGAINST rapists. It gives rape victims a financial incentive to report their rape to the police, which allows the rape to be investigated, so the rapist can get caught and be stopped from raping more women. Rape is already underreported, so they're putting a financial benefit behind speaking out, and at the same time, preserving limited tax resources to help rape victims instead of welfare queens who get pregnant irresponsibly and expect everyone else to pay for their decisions.


OW! I just bruised my forehead.
 
2012-10-25 02:30:12 AM
It's Catch-22 Yossarian. You can't have an abortion unless you were raped, but if you were legitimately raped, you don't NEED an abortion because your body will protect itself from the sperm, so you can't have an abortion.
 
2012-10-25 02:30:30 AM

dramboxf: Just to be specific, and you can quote me:

Anti-abortion legislation is always, and without fail, anti-f**king legislation.

Without fail.


This law promotes MORE abortion. Get pregnant from consensual sex = no more welfare money to raise the child = more likely to have an abortion.
 
2012-10-25 02:30:31 AM

Alphax: OW! I just bruised my forehead.



Right there with you.
 
2012-10-25 02:31:25 AM
An observation: TFA said many rapes go unreported. Every unreported rape means that rapists DNA is not put in law enforcement computers. That scumbag is free to rape again without worry of arrest or conviction. Every rapist whose DNA does not go on file has a good chance of never being punished for what he has done.
 
2012-10-25 02:31:46 AM

Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: And we all know that PA is one of those states without access to abortions. Derp.


82% of counties in Pennsylvania have no abortion provider. 46% of women in Pennsylvania live in those counties. Pennsylvania also has mandated counseling designed to discourage abortion and a mandatory 24 hour waiting period.

That may sound like no big deal until you consider the fact that someone who requires welfare benefits and qualifies is already pretty desperately poor... so affording not one, but two days off of work, plus transporatation to another county and lodgings there is actually a pretty big burden on abortion access.

 Source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/pennsylvania.html


Add to that transportation issues, childcare and cost. I don't know if state benefits cover abortion in that area and I am sure that funding for PP has been cut.
 
2012-10-25 02:32:49 AM
Oooh, a rape incentive program!
 
2012-10-25 02:33:07 AM
So, once again, the Republican Party proves they are "Pro-Birth" and "Anti-Life. Every fetus must be saved, but once it is here, we are going to do every farking thing we can think of to make sure you single mothers have as little support as possible.
 
2012-10-25 02:34:24 AM

Genevieve Marie: Talondel: It doesn't even say that. It says they have to submit a signed, notarized statement indicating that she reported it to the authorities. A law that encourages the reporting of rape to the proper authorities? The horror. Truly PA republicans are monsters.

You're kidding right? You really think a rape vicitm's first thought upon being raped is going to be "Oh, I've just been raped! Clearly I need to go to the police right now because if I don't and I get pregnant and can't afford to raise a child, a year or so from now I'm going to be totally screwed."

Because I'm pretty sure for most people, it's more like numbness, rage, grief, horror, anger and the general beginnings of PTSD.


You made up the part where she has to report it immediately. The law only says that she has to report it before demanding that taxpayers give her free money.
 
2012-10-25 02:34:41 AM

Vodka Zombie: I'm convinced Republican voters are concerned more with needlessly punishing their fellow Americans than they are with helping their country.

These people are petty. They're ignorant beyond description. And, they are malicious, childish and very very sick.


Well, in all fairness, if Americans are stupid enough to vote for Republicans, don't they deserve to be punished?
 
2012-10-25 02:36:03 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Talondel: It doesn't even say that. It says they have to submit a signed, notarized statement indicating that she reported it to the authorities. A law that encourages the reporting of rape to the proper authorities? The horror. Truly PA republicans are monsters.

You're kidding right? You really think a rape vicitm's first thought upon being raped is going to be "Oh, I've just been raped! Clearly I need to go to the police right now because if I don't and I get pregnant and can't afford to raise a child, a year or so from now I'm going to be totally screwed."

Because I'm pretty sure for most people, it's more like numbness, rage, grief, horror, anger and the general beginnings of PTSD.

You made up the part where she has to report it immediately. The law only says that she has to report it before demanding that taxpayers give her free money.


'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language. And makes it sound bad that we're helping the least among us. How unchristian of you.
 
2012-10-25 02:36:06 AM

sticky2shoes: What a dumb comment.


Yes, your comment certainly is.

"Pro-life", are ya?
 
2012-10-25 02:36:35 AM

AbbeySomeone: Add to that transportation issues, childcare and cost. I don't know if state benefits cover abortion in that area and I am sure that funding for PP has been cut.



State benefits only cover in the case of rape or incest, which means for the most part, nope, no benefits. Planned Parenthood hasn't been defunded yet, but it's been proposed.

It's an ugly pattern, this making it difficult for women to access reproductive care and then blaming them for getting pregnant. Very authoritarian and anti-sex.
 
2012-10-25 02:39:18 AM

Genevieve Marie: Alphax: OW! I just bruised my forehead.


Right there with you.


Very logical responses...not surprising coming from people who can't even tell that the headline of the article is a blatant lie that contradicts the actual law in question.
 
2012-10-25 02:40:15 AM

Alphax: 'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language.



Yes it is. This virulent hatred for the people in this country who are the most marginalized is reallly depressing. I'm really tired of people acting like poverty is indcative of some great moral failing and the corollary, that wealth is proof of moral superiority and responsibility.
 
2012-10-25 02:40:52 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: OW! I just bruised my forehead.


Right there with you.

Very logical responses...not surprising coming from people who can't even tell that the headline of the article is a blatant lie that contradicts the actual law in question.


Quiet, you. I'm getting some asprin for my head.
 
2012-10-25 02:41:17 AM

Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 483x1500]


Damn, Republicans know their rape.
 
2012-10-25 02:42:34 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: OW! I just bruised my forehead.


Right there with you.

Very logical responses...not surprising coming from people who can't even tell that the headline of the article is a blatant lie that contradicts the actual law in question.


englishedithelp.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-25 02:44:04 AM

Genevieve Marie: Alphax: 'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language.


Yes it is. This virulent hatred for the people in this country who are the most marginalized is reallly depressing. I'm really tired of people acting like poverty is indcative of some great moral failing and the corollary, that wealth is proof of moral superiority and responsibility.


Not having a baby from consensual sex when you can't afford to raise a child IS proof of responsibility.
 
2012-10-25 02:46:06 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: 'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language.


Yes it is. This virulent hatred for the people in this country who are the most marginalized is reallly depressing. I'm really tired of people acting like poverty is indcative of some great moral failing and the corollary, that wealth is proof of moral superiority and responsibility.

Not having a baby from consensual sex when you can't afford to raise a child IS proof of responsibility.


The important thing is that the baby pays the price for mom and dad's irresponsibility.
 
2012-10-25 02:46:43 AM
I love all this Hate Mongering by "tolerant open minded liberals" talking about what hate mongers all Republicans are. The headline was so sensationalized it did not even match the article. Just another day of Left-wing yellow journalism. I love how "all" Republicans are labeled as racist woman haters, female Republicans are called traitors and black Republicans are called Uncle Toms and worse, while any sexist comments by female liberals or racist comments by liberal minorities are tolerated and encouraged. Every time I hear some complaint about Republicans/conservatives are turning extreme, it just comes off as a Projection. 
It is funny how it came out 24 hours ago the Obama White House lied about Benghazi on day 1 for the election and the President went campaigning. This is disgusting behavior, but not a peep and no green light article on Fark.
 
2012-10-25 02:46:54 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: 'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language.


Yes it is. This virulent hatred for the people in this country who are the most marginalized is reallly depressing. I'm really tired of people acting like poverty is indcative of some great moral failing and the corollary, that wealth is proof of moral superiority and responsibility.

Not having a baby from consensual sex when you can't afford to raise a child IS proof of responsibility.


Whether or not someone can afford to raise a child is something that can change without notice in the space of a DAY. Just the way the wealthy like it.
 
2012-10-25 02:47:12 AM

mediablitz: sticky2shoes: What a dumb comment.

Yes, your comment certainly is.

"Pro-life", are ya?


Huh? How is a law that encourages people to get more abortions by cutting off welfare "pro-life"?
 
2012-10-25 02:47:33 AM

Talondel: This isn't anti-abortion legislation. It's anti 'get pregnant while poor and on welfare' legislation, which contains an exception for women who were victims of rape or incest and reported it (or are willing to submit a signed notarized statement that they reported it)


Oh do please tell me precisely in which ways small government, freedom-loving Republicans are justified in using government power to pressure people into choosing whether or not to have a baby.
 
2012-10-25 02:47:36 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: 'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language.


Yes it is. This virulent hatred for the people in this country who are the most marginalized is reallly depressing. I'm really tired of people acting like poverty is indcative of some great moral failing and the corollary, that wealth is proof of moral superiority and responsibility.

Not having a baby from consensual sex when you can't afford to raise a child IS proof of responsibility.


Or just weak ass Republican sperm.
 
2012-10-25 02:48:40 AM

SanchezSucio: I love all this Hate Mongering by "tolerant open minded liberals" talking about what hate mongers all Republicans are. The headline was so sensationalized it did not even match the article. Just another day of Left-wing yellow journalism. I love how "all" Republicans are labeled as racist woman haters, female Republicans are called traitors and black Republicans are called Uncle Toms and worse, while any sexist comments by female liberals or racist comments by liberal minorities are tolerated and encouraged. Every time I hear some complaint about Republicans/conservatives are turning extreme, it just comes off as a Projection. 
It is funny how it came out 24 hours ago the Obama White House lied about Benghazi on day 1 for the election and the President went campaigning. This is disgusting behavior, but not a peep and no green light article on Fark.


Not one thing you said is true. Looks like another old account reactivated and given to a troll.
 
2012-10-25 02:48:43 AM

sticky2shoes: Genevieve Marie: Alphax: 'Demanding that taxpayers give her free money'. That's loaded language.


Yes it is. This virulent hatred for the people in this country who are the most marginalized is reallly depressing. I'm really tired of people acting like poverty is indcative of some great moral failing and the corollary, that wealth is proof of moral superiority and responsibility.

Not having a baby from consensual sex when you can't afford to raise a child IS proof of responsibility.


Yes, I understand. This is why many of us have worked for a long time to try and make sure that all women can access affordable, accessible birth control so that women can decide when to have children. Unfortunately, those efforts have been systematically dismantled by the same people who deride poor women with children as "welfare queens".
 
2012-10-25 02:49:35 AM

MorrisBird: What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged. I love the Republicans. They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims. Brilliant.


I'm so sorry that happened to your daughter. Not all men are evil, but a few certainly are. I'm so very sorry.
 
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