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2012-10-24 08:55:22 PM  
ah, yes - the rape-publican party strikes again.
 
2012-10-24 08:58:59 PM  
A bill in the Pennsylvania House proposing the reduction of welfare benefits for low-income women contains a provision requiring a woman who became pregnant from rape to prove that she reported her assault.

As ThinkProgress reported, the measure, proposed by five Republican state lawmakers, seeks to eliminate an increase in benefits if a child is conceived while a woman is covered under the Temporary Assistance To Needy Family program. A woman can seek an exception to this if the child is conceived as a result of rape. However, she must prove that she reported the incident to the authorities and gave the police her assaulter's identity


Jesus Christ, you heartless bastards.

Ok, this is clearly a unified thing the GOP is pushing. But why? Simply because 'abortion bad, even in case of rape, oh rape is bad, well let's change that'?
 
2012-10-24 09:01:22 PM  
Well, to be fair, it says they have to prove they reported they were raped, not prove they were raped.
 
2012-10-24 09:01:57 PM  
For the record, I do not support this bill or those who sponsored it.
 
2012-10-24 09:02:06 PM  
What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged. I love the Republicans. They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims. Brilliant.
 
2012-10-24 09:12:07 PM  

Nadie_AZ: A bill in the Pennsylvania House proposing the reduction of welfare benefits for low-income women contains a provision requiring a woman who became pregnant from rape to prove that she reported her assault.

As ThinkProgress reported, the measure, proposed by five Republican state lawmakers, seeks to eliminate an increase in benefits if a child is conceived while a woman is covered under the Temporary Assistance To Needy Family program. A woman can seek an exception to this if the child is conceived as a result of rape. However, she must prove that she reported the incident to the authorities and gave the police her assaulter's identity

Jesus Christ, you heartless bastards.

Ok, this is clearly a unified thing the GOP is pushing. But why? Simply because 'abortion bad, even in case of rape, oh rape is bad, well let's change that'?


Because WELFARE QUEENS

/these are puerile, sexually repressed control freaks we're dealing with here
 
2012-10-24 09:25:36 PM  
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Republicans are assholes
 
2012-10-24 09:42:39 PM  
What ever happened to the Fark(tm) proposal to start referring to the GOP as the "White Male Christian Nationalist Party"?
 
2012-10-24 09:44:38 PM  

Parmenius: What ever happened to the Fark(tm) proposal to start referring to the GOP as the "White Male Christian Nationalist Party"?


Is there a reason we need to state the obvious with many more words? It's like calling the KKK racists; we know all ready. No need to waste time with it.
 
2012-10-24 10:09:52 PM  
See, I understand what they're getting at. I do, I really do. It's a bit of a loophole, and theoretically some Ebul Welfare Queen could claim that all seven of her chil'uns is rape-babies, BUT THAT'S WHAT AUDITS ARE FOR.

You think people are abusing the system? Fine. Look for warning signs, and check the suspicious ones. You don't go around assuming every single welfare mother is lying and demand they prove otherwise. That's the "guilty until proven innocent" theory of law, and it has no place in the American legal system.

Coincidentally though, do you fundie wackadoos know where "guilty until proven innocent" is the core of the law? Muslim countries that practice Sharia law. Y'know, Sharia law, that thing you all seem so insanely worried about taking root here? Ringing any bells?
 
2012-10-24 10:12:44 PM  

Parmenius: What ever happened to the Fark(tm) proposal to start referring to the GOP as the "White Male Christian Nationalist Party"?


Too long... Maybe the National Social Party.
 
2012-10-24 10:14:51 PM  
I'm convinced Republican voters are concerned more with needlessly punishing their fellow Americans than they are with helping their country.

These people are petty. They're ignorant beyond description. And, they are malicious, childish and very very sick.
 
2012-10-24 11:37:55 PM  
And people wondered why I switched to Democrat....

keep this up and i'm going to have to actually run for office.
 
2012-10-24 11:50:37 PM  
Rich, white people seem to enjoy the rape culture. I guess they either call them family reunions or slumming.
 
2012-10-25 12:01:38 AM  
FTA: "According to the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, 54 percent of rapes and sexual assaults are not reported to the police."


And those are just the ones that are reported as not being reported.
 
2012-10-25 12:03:22 AM  

LadyHawke: Well, to be fair, it says they have to prove they reported they were raped, not prove they were raped.



Well, in any case, they're gonna' fill a lot of that vacant prison space.


/Create jobs
 
2012-10-25 12:06:39 AM  
If the GOP really cared about clamping down on welfare or at least getting more out of it they'd require that welfare recipients who are not employed volunteer at least 20 hours a week.

But they don't care about that, they care about controlling women and infliction a protestant caliphate on the rest of the country.
 
2012-10-25 12:14:18 AM  
Rapeublicans love inserting unwanted things into places they shouldn't go.
 
2012-10-25 12:21:23 AM  
Drafted by Pennsylvania lawmakers - State Reps. RoseMarie Swanger (R), Tom Caltagirone (D), Mark Gillen (R), Keith Gillespie (R), Adam Harris (R), and Mike Tobash (R).
 
2012-10-25 12:29:21 AM  

Fark It: If the GOP really cared about clamping down on welfare or at least getting more out of it they'd require that welfare recipients who are not employed volunteer at least 20 hours a week.


So your solution to reducing welfare is to make volunteering a job? You realize you can't call it volunteering if you're required to do it right? Then it's a job that you aren't being paid for.
 
2012-10-25 12:32:13 AM  

Weaver95: And people wondered why I switched to Democrat....

keep this up and i'm going to have to actually run for office.


Dibs on being your chief of staff.
 
2012-10-25 12:35:52 AM  
They just can't stop.
 
2012-10-25 12:48:00 AM  

MorrisBird: What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged. I love the Republicans. They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims. Brilliant.


This is a thinly-veiled response to the idea that...well, any female that is "raped" was, in some way, asking for it.

If she was home studying the bible, she couldn't have been raped.

..unless it was her father, in which case the resulting RapeBaby[tm] was God's will.

...sorry.

Let's just all say what we're thinking: Conservatives hate/are afraid of women.

Remember that not-so-many thousands of years ago, women were revered because stupid men thought that women just...well, EJECTED new babies. They had no grasp of how babies were made.

Conservatives grasp that even though a married woman gets pregnant, there is no 100% guarantee that her husband is the father.

And they hate that.
 
2012-10-25 12:55:01 AM  

GAT_00: Fark It: If the GOP really cared about clamping down on welfare or at least getting more out of it they'd require that welfare recipients who are not employed volunteer at least 20 hours a week.

So your solution to reducing welfare is to make volunteering a job? You realize you can't call it volunteering if you're required to do it right? Then it's a job that you aren't being paid for.


Isn't there another word for forced labor for food?
 
2012-10-25 01:05:39 AM  
Just to be specific, and you can quote me:

Anti-abortion legislation is always, and without fail, anti-f**king legislation.

Without fail.
 
2012-10-25 01:31:33 AM  

Amos Quito: FTA: "According to the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, 54 percent of rapes and sexual assaults are not reported to the police."


And those are just the ones that are reported as not being reported.


Many don't want to feel raped again by the process of reporting it.
These men have absolutely no business inserting themselves into women's health issues. They need a f*cking hobby like hanging out in public restrooms.
 
2012-10-25 01:34:56 AM  
So, they'll help you raise your rape baby, but your broken condom baby gets nothing?
 
2012-10-25 01:42:37 AM  

MorrisBird: What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged. I love the Republicans. They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims. Brilliant.


No. Actually they're gaining votes by going after all the ignorant bigots out there with crap like this. They know -- well, most of them know -- that this kind of logic is cynical and messed-up, but they also know it works.
 
2012-10-25 01:45:04 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: So, they'll help you raise your rape baby, but your broken condom baby gets nothing?


If you spent a little less money on cigarettes and beer, you could have bought the better brand condoms and avoided the broken condom baby altogether. Personal responsibility... The More You Know™...
 
2012-10-25 01:52:54 AM  

MorrisBird: What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged. I love the Republicans. They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims. Brilliant.


Sorry for your daughter.
 
2012-10-25 01:59:18 AM  
Green party?
 
2012-10-25 02:02:50 AM  
This is getting sick, and redundant.

It's a two-fer. Hurt poor women, and calling rape victims liars.
 
2012-10-25 02:03:46 AM  
Was it inserted forcefully?
 
2012-10-25 02:04:28 AM  
It kind of makes you wonder how many of these Republican politicians are rapists themselves. Not necessarily recently, but more likely when they were in high school or college. They may have committed their crimes years ago, but they still are, and always will be, rapists.

How else can you explain their sympathy--and even affinity--for rapists?
 
2012-10-25 02:04:52 AM  
Yea, at this point, this stuff just makes me feel tired.

The anti-abortion movement is and always has been deeply rooted in the desire to control women and our bodies. This is one more glaring example. This one can't even make the dubious claim that it's about "protecting life". This one is about punishing slutty sluts for having sex.

This is the party of making sure that poor women can't afford contraception and preventative health services... and the same party that then says "Oh and if you get pregnant, we're not helping you take care of your punishment baby."

Also, lots of victims choose not to report rape for good reasons. This is pretty well established as fact.
 
2012-10-25 02:06:37 AM  
I'll just leave this here...

Also, to debunk the myth of "welfare queens":
• Less than 2% of the budget of the Dept. of Health and Human Services (DHHS) goes to
TANF (the program that gives money to poor families). Link
•Only 24% of the entire federal budget went to DHHS last year. Link
• Doing the math, that means 0.5% of the federal budget went to TANF last year. Less
than one percent of our federal budget went to "welfare queens" last year. I hardly
think they are the ones bankrupting our economy.
• TANF assistance is also capped (lifetime) at 5 years (since 1996). You cannot be on
welfare indefinitely (unless you have a physical disability). The average amount of time
families spend on TANF is about 3 years. Also, the average number of kids in a family
receiving TANF benefits is 2.3 children, with only 10% of recipients having more than 3
children
(very long report): Link
 



/fark these guys in TFA
 
2012-10-25 02:06:58 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: Lionel Mandrake: So, they'll help you raise your rape baby, but your broken condom baby gets nothing?

If you spent a little less money on cigarettes and beer, you could have bought the better brand condoms and avoided the broken condom baby altogether. Personal responsibility... The More You Know™...


If I spend less money on beer I won't need condoms. Duh.
 
2012-10-25 02:07:12 AM  

andino: How else can you explain their sympathy--and even affinity--for rapists?


80% of serial killers are Republicans.
 
2012-10-25 02:07:35 AM  

LadyHawke: Well, to be fair, it says they have to prove they reported they were raped, not prove they were raped.


It doesn't even say that. It says they have to submit a signed, notarized statement indicating that she reported it to the authorities. A law that encourages the reporting of rape to the proper authorities? The horror. Truly PA republicans are monsters.

Oh, and I like how Huff Po goes from "prove they were raped" in the headline to "prove that she reported her assault" in the article, and then three paragraphs in reveal that both the headline and the opening sentence were lies. Your blog sucks.

dramboxf: Anti-abortion legislation is always, and without fail, anti-f**king legislation.


This isn't anti-abortion legislation. It's anti 'get pregnant while poor and on welfare' legislation, which contains an exception for women who were victims of rape or incest and reported it (or are willing to submit a signed notarized statement that they reported it).

MorrisBird: They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims.


They may well be doing that in other places, but this isn't one of them. This is waging a war on 'welfare moms' that contains an exception for rape victims.

There's plenty not to like about this bill, but so far Huff Po and the vast majority of the people posting in this thread are too farking stupid to figure out what it actually is.
 
2012-10-25 02:08:31 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: MorrisBird: What if you don't know who raped you? My daughter doesn't. She was drugged. I love the Republicans. They're throwing away their power by waging a war on rape victims. Brilliant.

No. Actually they're gaining votes by going after all the ignorant bigots out there with crap like this. They know -- well, most of them know -- that this kind of logic is cynical and messed-up, but they also know it works.


Exactly, and, in many ways for me, that's the most disgusting part of it all, it's not that they all actually believe this f**kery that they're spouting, it's that they're simply playing the game to win the votes, preying on the "ignant" extremists who still view women as the purveyors of all sin and thus sacrificing innocent people upon the altar for their gorram votes. I wish some of the victims would just flood into their office, demanding to speak to them face to face and not leave until those slimy bastards had to actually defend their causes to real people, not just speeches given to a crowd of supporters and surrounded by twenty bodyguards and police.

/rant
//yeah, it'll never happen, accountability being nonexistent in politics
 
2012-10-25 02:08:44 AM  
ok honestly - I'm confused. So it's ok for a woman to claim - in welfare benefits - that she was raped...without having actually filed a charge with anyone? The woman isn't required to prove anything other than that she filed a report - the burden of proof of the actual crime isn't on her. Normally I'd be all "ah, another stupid anti-human (both genders, lets be real here) repub law..." but...really? Misleading rewording of headline much, subby? What exactly is /wrong/ about what they're doing here?
 
2012-10-25 02:09:11 AM  

Tarkus: Drafted by Pennsylvania lawmakers - State Reps. RoseMarie Swanger (R), Tom Caltagirone (D), Mark Gillen (R), Keith Gillespie (R), Adam Harris (R), and Mike Tobash (R).


They're both bad, so vote Republican.
 
2012-10-25 02:09:15 AM  

stainedglassdoll: I'll just leave this here...

Also, to debunk the myth of "welfare queens":
• Less than 2% of the budget of the Dept. of Health and Human Services (DHHS) goes to
TANF (the program that gives money to poor families). Link
•Only 24% of the entire federal budget went to DHHS last year. Link
• Doing the math, that means 0.5% of the federal budget went to TANF last year. Less
than one percent of our federal budget went to "welfare queens" last year. I hardly
think they are the ones bankrupting our economy.
• TANF assistance is also capped (lifetime) at 5 years (since 1996). You cannot be on
welfare indefinitely (unless you have a physical disability). The average amount of time
families spend on TANF is about 3 years. Also, the average number of kids in a family
receiving TANF benefits is 2.3 children, with only 10% of recipients having more than 3
children (very long report): Link 



/fark these guys in TFA


Actually, I should correct myself: "The average number of persons in TANF families was 2.3, including an average of 1.8 recipient children. One in two recipient families had only one child. One in 10 families had more than three children. The average number of children in closed-case families was 1.8. Nearly one in two closed case families had one child, and only six percent had more than three children."

Yea, the problem is TANF recipients are having too many kids. UNFARKINGBELIEVABLE
 
2012-10-25 02:09:21 AM  
Blaming the GOP is kind of a dodge, as it would be more accurate to say that Christians inserted this, from entirely valid Christian principles well-supported by the bible. Which is a book that has occasional statements to the effect of love and peace as the advertising claims, but for every one has two more condoning something on par with murder or slavery. Ten more if you count the old testament.

Some day Christianity's going to have to stop passing the buck and accept that y'all's religion makes you demonstrably worse people than you would otherwise be on a regular basis. God knows I've successfully been convinced to stop regarding the imaginary king in the sky shiat as a fun and harmless delusion over the last few months.

//Not that the GOP isn't bad on non-religious matters as well, but things related to a Christian philosophy are most of the worst, it's where the warmongering and the desire to poke Iran with a sharp stick repeatedly comes from, too. At least being bad at budgeting isn't tantamount to an attempt to start WW3.
 
2012-10-25 02:09:45 AM  
I'm waiting for the bills that make your prove your miscarriages were natural.
You know they are coming. In fact, they will HAVE to come if Roe v Wade is ever overturned.
 
2012-10-25 02:11:10 AM  
I'm glad all of this crazy shiat is coming out now, before the election. Faux News viewers will never hear about it, but the rest of the country sure as fark will.
 
2012-10-25 02:11:23 AM  

IamAwake: ok honestly - I'm confused. So it's ok for a woman to claim - in welfare benefits - that she was raped...without having actually filed a charge with anyone? The woman isn't required to prove anything other than that she filed a report - the burden of proof of the actual crime isn't on her. Normally I'd be all "ah, another stupid anti-human (both genders, lets be real here) repub law..." but...really? Misleading rewording of headline much, subby? What exactly is /wrong/ about what they're doing here?


You're not supposed to actually read the article.
 
2012-10-25 02:11:37 AM  

0Icky0: I'm waiting for the bills that make your prove your miscarriages were natural.
You know they are coming. In fact, they will HAVE to come if Roe v Wade is ever overturned.


Creepy but possible.
 
2012-10-25 02:13:22 AM  

Talondel: It doesn't even say that. It says they have to submit a signed, notarized statement indicating that she reported it to the authorities. A law that encourages the reporting of rape to the proper authorities? The horror. Truly PA republicans are monsters.


You're kidding right? You really think a rape vicitm's first thought upon being raped is going to be "Oh, I've just been raped! Clearly I need to go to the police right now because if I don't and I get pregnant and can't afford to raise a child, a year or so from now I'm going to be totally screwed."

Because I'm pretty sure for most people, it's more like numbness, rage, grief, horror, anger and the general beginnings of PTSD.

Don't be obtuse. This doesn't "encourage reporting". This punishes women who get pregnant, don't have abortions, and then have the nerve to require basic assistance... that is, the very, very minimal assitance that's available.

And if you want to encourage poor women not to get pregnant, MAKE CONTRACEPTIVES EASILY AVAILABLE TO POOR WOMEN. Any other approach to this particular problem trends towards authoritarian bullshiat.
 
2012-10-25 02:13:39 AM  
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