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2012-10-24 08:43:15 PM  
so about on level for most college football players
 
2012-10-24 09:25:52 PM  
This sort of thing is going to happen when these morons are let into institutions of learning based solely on their ability to wear spandex and get early Alzheimer's.
 
2012-10-24 09:42:03 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: so about on level for most college football players


About on the level of most college students.
 
2012-10-24 10:09:52 PM  
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2012-10-24 10:31:53 PM  
It's a good thing the topic wasn't koalas.
 
2012-10-24 10:46:20 PM  
youtomb.mit.edu

as opposed to four 11 year olds having their essays written by someone else

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2012-10-24 10:49:33 PM  
Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?
 
2012-10-24 10:56:46 PM  
Hey essé, thanks for writing me!
 
2012-10-24 11:06:53 PM  
www.wtop.com
You big dummy!
 
2012-10-24 11:08:37 PM  
They ain't come to play SCHOOL
 
2012-10-24 11:09:49 PM  

Mentat: Dead for Tax Reasons: so about on level for most college football players

About on the level of most college students.


Just out of curiosity are you an engineer?
 
2012-10-24 11:15:21 PM  

puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?


Great idea, now how can institutions of higher learning make money off this?
 
2012-10-24 11:25:43 PM  

RoyHobbs22: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

Great idea, now how can institutions of higher learning make money off this?


They can't. At least, not at first. Adopt the European idea of youth teams for those with exceptional athletic skill, and then segregate the youth by, I don't know, ACT scores or something. There would need to be an alliance between US sports franchises, but I think that's workable. It wouldn't be geographically, necessarily. But the Big 4 (3? 5? NHL might get to play, although they're a niche sport. Same with MLS) divide up the colleges where their players go, based on academic potential... it's possible.

If you're a Niners, Warriors, or (baseball) Giants kid and you're smart, you go to Stanford or Cal. Less of a bookworm? San Jose St. or one of the Cal Poly schools. But you're on this path from, oh, around your junior year in high school.

I think it's possible. Not likely, but possible.
 
2012-10-24 11:37:33 PM  

puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?


RoyHobbs22: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

Great idea, now how can institutions of higher learning make money off this?


License their college name/mascot. to the AAA football team while having a rigid separation of school and athletics between the university and the new professional league(s) that the teams are moved to. The mouth breathers at home wouldn't even be aware their favorite players didn't pretend to go to college anymore.
 
2012-10-25 12:25:36 AM  
should effect the entire schools athletic programs.

/owing money for bling isn't the schools priority.
 
2012-10-25 12:59:56 AM  
I came for the South Park joke, and left satisfied
 
2012-10-25 01:29:48 AM  

puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?


That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.
 
2012-10-25 01:31:04 AM  
This is why I think athletic scholarships should work sorta like the GI Bill in that the benefits are deferred until after service. Under that setup, you play for four years, you earn four years of future paid attendance to the university. If you make the pros, you can wait to take those four years until after your career, or never take them at all. If you don't make the pros, you can start right away working on those skills.

A lot would have to be different under this scheme, but the since probably the biggest joke about student athletes is the idea they're supposed to do both at the same time - and frequently don't - this would remove that.

There's probly a lot of problems with this idea that I'm not thinking of, but hey, the one former college athlete (who graduated) I talked to about it thought it was good. So whatever.
 
2012-10-25 01:32:46 AM  

adammpower: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

RoyHobbs22: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

Great idea, now how can institutions of higher learning make money off this?

License their college name/mascot. to the AAA football team while having a rigid separation of school and athletics between the university and the new professional league(s) that the teams are moved to. The mouth breathers at home wouldn't even be aware their favorite players didn't pretend to go to college anymore.


That's the best way really. They already have all the facilities set up.
 
2012-10-25 01:38:03 AM  

elguerodiablo: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.


oh those poor players receive nothing for their 4 year degrees. the same 4 degrees others get for hundreds of thousand dollars.

really don't act like they are getting nothing.
 
2012-10-25 01:45:57 AM  
don't step on the grass sam
 
2012-10-25 01:48:17 AM  
Really? You seriously thought that was a good idea?
 
2012-10-25 02:11:30 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: so about on level for most college football players


Don't you mean above?

adammpower: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

RoyHobbs22: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

Great idea, now how can institutions of higher learning make money off this?

License their college name/mascot. to the AAA football team while having a rigid separation of school and athletics between the university and the new professional league(s) that the teams are moved to. The mouth breathers at home wouldn't even be aware their favorite players didn't pretend to go to college anymore.


People still fall for that last part?
 
2012-10-25 02:17:58 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: elguerodiablo: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.

oh those poor players receive nothing for their 4 year degrees. the same 4 degrees others get for hundreds of thousand dollars.

really don't act like they are getting nothing.


Yeah, but they often don't actually get the degrees. In return, the players get nagging injuries for the rest of their lives. The revenue split in college isn't even close to the 48% that the players get from the NFL, even if you look at a full-ride scholarship as payment, which I don't think you should. You can't buy bread with it.
 
2012-10-25 02:34:20 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: What_Would_Jimi_Do: elguerodiablo: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.

oh those poor players receive nothing for their 4 year degrees. the same 4 degrees others get for hundreds of thousand dollars.

really don't act like they are getting nothing.

Yeah, but they often don't actually get the degrees. In return, the players get nagging injuries for the rest of their lives. The revenue split in college isn't even close to the 48% that the players get from the NFL, even if you look at a full-ride scholarship as payment, which I don't think you should. You can't buy bread with it.


Nobody's holding a gun to their head, forcing them to choose useless majors, or declare themselves for the draft before completing a four-year degree (a requirement the NFL should have if they want to keep up the pretense of college athletics being about education.)
 
2012-10-25 03:11:21 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: forgotmydamnusername: What_Would_Jimi_Do: elguerodiablo: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.

oh those poor players receive nothing for their 4 year degrees. the same 4 degrees others get for hundreds of thousand dollars.

really don't act like they are getting nothing.

Yeah, but they often don't actually get the degrees. In return, the players get nagging injuries for the rest of their lives. The revenue split in college isn't even close to the 48% that the players get from the NFL, even if you look at a full-ride scholarship as payment, which I don't think you should. You can't buy bread with it.

Nobody's holding a gun to their head, forcing them to choose useless majors, or declare themselves for the draft before completing a four-year degree (a requirement the NFL should have if they want to keep up the pretense of college athletics being about education.)


What was Vince Young's score on the Wunderlic? 6? Frank Gore's was 6, too. These guys often don't really have the option of becoming engineers, or anything like that. You probably won't pass the math required for most of the useful degrees without scoring a 25. They're in college for one thing. It isn't to learn anything off the field. The coaches know that. The administration knows that. Why don't you know that? Let's drop the pretense and pay them a salary.
 
2012-10-25 04:00:38 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: forgotmydamnusername: What_Would_Jimi_Do: elguerodiablo: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.

oh those poor players receive nothing for their 4 year degrees. the same 4 degrees others get for hundreds of thousand dollars.

really don't act like they are getting nothing.

Yeah, but they often don't actually get the degrees. In return, the players get nagging injuries for the rest of their lives. The revenue split in college isn't even close to the 48% that the players get from the NFL, even if you look at a full-ride scholarship as payment, which I don't think you should. You can't buy bread with it.

Nobody's holding a gun to their head, forcing them to choose useless majors, or declare themselves for the draft before completing a four-year degree (a requirement the NFL should have if they want to keep up the pretense of college athletics being about education.)

What was Vince Young's score on the Wunderlic? 6? Frank Gore's was 6, too. These guys often don't really have the option of becoming engineers, or anything like that. You probably won't pass the math required for most of the useful degrees without scoring a 25. They're in college for one thing. It isn't to learn anything off the field. The coaches know that. The administration knows that. Why don't you know that? Let's drop the pretense and pay them a salary.


Of course they should drop the pretense. I'm just saying I have zero pity, zero, for somebody getting a free admission and four-years of blowjobs from every sorority girl on campus to delay their inevitable ditch-digging careers.
 
2012-10-25 05:47:22 AM  
The NCAA will never do away with college football. Do you have any idea how much money they make?! There are schools who use football for the bulk of their budget, they would fight tooth and nail to never let that go.
 
2012-10-25 07:06:13 AM  

Dark1SAn: I came for the South Park joke, and left satisfied


Oddly, I thought of a different SP joke - I figured he wrote The Tale Of Scrotie McBoogerballs.

/yes i know they're not 11
 
2012-10-25 07:10:12 AM  
Headline is wrong--teacher reported athlete for plagiarism to the academic support program. No punishment has yet to be given to the student, even though the plagiarism was reported last spring.
 
2012-10-25 07:38:22 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: What_Would_Jimi_Do: elguerodiablo: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

That'd be ideal for everyone involved but the colleges and NCAA make billions on those dummies and dont have to pay them a cent. Looking at the lives of former players only about 10% of them are doing anything productive with their communication degrees.

oh those poor players receive nothing for their 4 year degrees. the same 4 degrees others get for hundreds of thousand dollars.

really don't act like they are getting nothing.

Yeah, but they often don't actually get the degrees. In return, the players get nagging injuries for the rest of their lives. The revenue split in college isn't even close to the 48% that the players get from the NFL, even if you look at a full-ride scholarship as payment, which I don't think you should. You can't buy bread with it.


It's almost like you have to do some kind of academic work to get a degree.
/The horror! :p
 
2012-10-25 09:04:24 AM  

Gunny Highway: Mentat: Dead for Tax Reasons: so about on level for most college football players

About on the level of most college students.

Just out of curiosity are you an engineer?


For a semester until I realize I was training to be an overpaid plumber.
 
2012-10-25 09:06:03 AM  

Mentat: Gunny Highway: Mentat: Dead for Tax Reasons: so about on level for most college football players

About on the level of most college students.

Just out of curiosity are you an engineer?

For a semester until I realize I was training to be an overpaid plumber.


Hahaha. Well, I am glad you found something that made you happy.
 
2012-10-25 09:59:31 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Dead for Tax Reasons: so about on level for most college football players

Don't you mean above?

adammpower: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

RoyHobbs22: puckrock2000: Would the NFL just set up the equivalent of AAA baseball/American Hockey League already, so these kids can just play ball without having to pretend to be students?

Great idea, now how can institutions of higher learning make money off this?

License their college name/mascot. to the AAA football team while having a rigid separation of school and athletics between the university and the new professional league(s) that the teams are moved to. The mouth breathers at home wouldn't even be aware their favorite players didn't pretend to go to college anymore.

People still fall for that last part?


I know quite a few people that cling to this bizarre fantasy that the athletes are getting a good deal and free food and school and they should be damn happy to get it. I've asked them if they'd do their own job for free food and a cinder-block dorm room. Mostly they decline.
 
2012-10-25 10:31:54 AM  

adammpower: I've asked them if they'd do their own job for free food and a cinder-block dorm room. Mostly they decline.


But at age 18?

BTW, it's free food, free education (just because the ones that don't take advantage of it are the most publicized doesn't mean they make up the bulk of the student-athlete body), free place to live, free healthcare, free clothes, free shoes, free travel, the opportunity to play in front of tens of thousands of people cheering for you (adrenaline rush of being on a field is as awesome as any drug), BMOC status, and yes, they DO get stipends. It ain't much, but when all your necessities are paid for, you don't need much.

OR universities could just enforce their academic standards and not allow students who don't measure up, no matter how good at sports they are. Then you'd get people who actually will use the education and fans wouldn't particularly care, so long as their teams were still competitive and other schools weren't cheating by letting in unqualified athletes.
 
2012-10-25 11:44:14 AM  

IAmRight: adammpower: I've asked them if they'd do their own job for free food and a cinder-block dorm room. Mostly they decline.

But at age 18?

BTW, it's free food, free education (just because the ones that don't take advantage of it are the most publicized doesn't mean they make up the bulk of the student-athlete body), free place to live, free healthcare, free clothes, free shoes, free travel, the opportunity to play in front of tens of thousands of people cheering for you (adrenaline rush of being on a field is as awesome as any drug), BMOC status, and yes, they DO get stipends. It ain't much, but when all your necessities are paid for, you don't need much.

OR universities could just enforce their academic standards and not allow students who don't measure up, no matter how good at sports they are. Then you'd get people who actually will use the education and fans wouldn't particularly care, so long as their teams were still competitive and other schools weren't cheating by letting in unqualified athletes.


This is what should be happening, although I also think they should be getting paid more. There should be a minor league for those who can't or don't want to pursue a degree. Unfortunately, operating a minor league football team is expensive, with a limited number of games in front of smaller crowds to try to recoup your costs.
 
2012-10-25 12:53:16 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: There should be a minor league for those who can't or don't want to pursue a degree. Unfortunately, operating a minor league football team is expensive, with a limited number of games in front of smaller crowds to try to recoup your costs.


Also, there are several minor leagues of football. They are paid less than college kids and have to work other jobs, at least in the offseason. You can see how well the UFL worked out. The XFL. You can make a minor league, but without the university backing, no one will give a sh*t.

And again, the vast majority of students participating in athletics DO pursue an actual education, mainly because most of them aren't delusional enough to think that they're going to make it to the NFL or NBA or NHL or MLB.
 
2012-10-25 01:29:11 PM  

tarqas: Headline is wrong--teacher reported athlete for plagiarism to the academic support program. No punishment has yet to be given to the student, even though the plagiarism was reported last spring.


Given the track record the punishment is either going to be a high five by the NCAA or an "internal investigation" that lasts until their next scandal draws attention elsewhere.
 
2012-10-25 04:07:21 PM  

INeedAName: The NCAA will never do away with college football. Do you have any idea how much money they make?! There are schools who use football for the bulk of their budget, they would fight tooth and nail to never let that go.


The NCAA makes very little from college football. Most of that money goes directly to the schools and their conferences. Basketball is where they get most of their cash.
 
2012-10-25 08:42:58 PM  
What's the big deal? It was probably for a no-show class anyway.
 
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