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		According to the book Beauty Pays, handsome men earn 13% more than sysadmins and code monkeys (smithsonianmag.com)		33
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Cythraul		2012-10-24 04:16:41 PM

Ulgh. I'm so tired of articles like this. Yes, yes, we know. We are an incredibly superficial species that rewards those who look like they have better genetic material for breeding, even if we aren't the ones breeding with them.

It's a brilliant system.

czei		2012-10-24 04:45:48 PM

Yes, but are beautiful women paid more than ugly men?

the_vicious_fez		2012-10-24 05:32:04 PM

As a code monkey, I take exception to Subby's headline.

/Does he have any idea what code monkeys are paid?

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-10-24 05:32:05 PM

I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

the_vicious_fez		2012-10-24 05:34:54 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

Yeah, sysadmin pay ain't too shabby either.

Atomic Spunk		2012-10-24 05:42:50 PM

"Oh really?" - Lloyd Blankfein - CEO of Goldman Sachs

/yes, I know a sample of one means nothing

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-10-24 05:43:12 PM

the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

Yeah, sysadmin pay ain't too shabby either.

Actually I just went from 'are you serious?' to 'low' on the tech payscale

/lemme see.....customer tech support, in-house IT department, technical writer, webmaster, network admin, graphic designer...
//just on a 'per hat' basis I'm working cheap

the_vicious_fez		2012-10-24 05:45:45 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

Yeah, sysadmin pay ain't too shabby either.

Actually I just went from 'are you serious?' to 'low' on the tech payscale

/lemme see.....customer tech support, in-house IT department, technical writer, webmaster, network admin, graphic designer...
//just on a 'per hat' basis I'm working cheap

If you're looking to move, we might be hiring. Have a resume anywhere?

jafiwam		2012-10-24 05:48:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_wd9Qf0IE

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-10-24 05:58:16 PM

the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

Yeah, sysadmin pay ain't too shabby either.

Actually I just went from 'are you serious?' to 'low' on the tech payscale

/lemme see.....customer tech support, in-house IT department, technical writer, webmaster, network admin, graphic designer...
//just on a 'per hat' basis I'm working cheap

If you're looking to move, we might be hiring. Have a resume anywhere?

Move where?

the_vicious_fez		2012-10-24 06:07:10 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

Yeah, sysadmin pay ain't too shabby either.

Actually I just went from 'are you serious?' to 'low' on the tech payscale

/lemme see.....customer tech support, in-house IT department, technical writer, webmaster, network admin, graphic designer...
//just on a 'per hat' basis I'm working cheap

If you're looking to move, we might be hiring. Have a resume anywhere?

Move where?

I sent you an email from my "real" account with more info.

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-10-24 06:11:17 PM

the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the_vicious_fez: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm a repulsive sysmonkey and I just got a big raise, so I'm getting a real kick...

Yeah, sysadmin pay ain't too shabby either.

Actually I just went from 'are you serious?' to 'low' on the tech payscale

/lemme see.....customer tech support, in-house IT department, technical writer, webmaster, network admin, graphic designer...
//just on a 'per hat' basis I'm working cheap

If you're looking to move, we might be hiring. Have a resume anywhere?

Move where?

I sent you an email from my "real" account with more info.

Thanks! I'll check it out as soon as I have the chance

/damned people around here won't let me fark around today
//well, not too much, anyway

venerant		2012-10-24 06:39:30 PM

Physical attractiveness is only one of many genetically-influenced determinants of suitibility for survival. Just because it's phsyically superficial doesn't mean it's the only genetically-deteremined trait that gets rewarded with higher pay. If you substitute intelligence for good looks you will probably find similar results.

xria		2012-10-24 06:59:53 PM

venerant: Physical attractiveness is only one of many genetically-influenced determinants of suitibility for survival. Just because it's phsyically superficial doesn't mean it's the only genetically-deteremined trait that gets rewarded with higher pay. If you substitute intelligence for good looks you will probably find similar results.

Or height - as I remember it, about 4 inches taller equates to about the same increase in pay as male over female, or white over black, and something like 90% of all CEOs are above average height, and 75% are over 6ft.

Creoena		2012-10-24 07:01:27 PM

No wonder my pay sucks

karmaceutical		2012-10-24 07:15:59 PM

czei: Yes, but are beautiful women paid more than ugly men?

Um, no... but they work less.

Mad_Radhu		2012-10-24 07:28:06 PM

They also have more tasteful business cards.

Snapper Carr		2012-10-24 07:46:12 PM

"I see no reason to mince words," says the 69-year-old, who rates himself a solid 3 on the 1-to-5 looks scale that he most often uses in his research.

meyerkev		2012-10-24 07:46:26 PM

the_vicious_fez: As a code monkey, I take exception to Subby's headline.

/Does he have any idea what code monkeys are paid?

Based off the offers I'm getting fresh out of a high-tier CS college:

$55-60K in the Midwest, $70-80K (possibly +stock) in Chicago or on the coasts, going up between 50-100% in 5 years.

/Of course, ageism means you're unemployable by 35, but then you either found your own business, take a small paycut and go work for [random corp] for 20-30 years until you pension out, or move sideways into management.

hackalope		2012-10-24 08:29:48 PM

meyerkev: Of course, ageism means you're unemployable by 35, but then you either found your own business, take a small paycut and go work for [random corp] for 20-30 years until you pension out, or move sideways into management.

Hahahahaha.... you said pension....

Seriously though, ageism means 35-50-ish you don't get the most desirable positions and you have to blackmail your way into an interview after that. If your skills are useful there are still too few people in tech, and even a decade after the dot-com boom.

machoprogrammer		2012-10-24 08:47:20 PM

Good thing I spent all that money on handsome cream!

rogue49		2012-10-24 09:03:53 PM

So where's my money???

KrispyKritter		2012-10-24 11:56:20 PM

Hope that authors life work isn't all the one sided tripe he is pushing. I'm confident I'm not the only one who may avoid or dislike some people solely on their cosmetic appearance. Attractive people have often proven to be rude, pushy, conceited, one dimensional, lacking in moral content and all sorts of other negative descriptions. I've met many lookers who never had to develop a personality because they skated by on what mother nature gave them. All too often they are the biggest dooshbags in the workplace, men and women alike, and I avoid their type accordingly.

I've dated some really good looking women. Most of them are so-so and are dead in the sack. Give me a Plain Jayne or a chunky-chubby girl any day. They tend to be good fun, are down to earth, and are much more in touch with their sexuality. Of course, this is a generalization. But overall most hotties really aren't worth the time of day. Models & actresses are usually deeply troubled head cases. No thanks.

Cythraul		2012-10-25 12:07:36 AM

machoprogrammer: Good thing I spent all that money on handsome cream!

Clayface? Is that you? When are they going to feature you in a Batman movie?

kg2095		2012-10-25 01:43:01 AM

meyerkev: the_vicious_fez: As a code monkey, I take exception to Subby's headline.

/Does he have any idea what code monkeys are paid?

Based off the offers I'm getting fresh out of a high-tier CS college:

$55-60K in the Midwest, $70-80K (possibly +stock) in Chicago or on the coasts, going up between 50-100% in 5 years.

/Of course, ageism means you're unemployable by 35, but then you either found your own business, take a small paycut and go work for [random corp] for 20-30 years until you pension out, or move sideways into management.

No - I was hired two years ago as a code monkey at 48 years old. I don't like this job much and feel confident of being able to find a better one - at 50 years old.

dbirchall		2012-10-25 02:56:59 AM

"So if my dad got really in shape he'd totally look like Thor."

-My teenage daughter, yesterday on Facebook. Way to remind me how out-of-shape I am, kid.

/But I'd also get paid thorteen percent more!

On-Off		2012-10-25 06:58:46 AM

KrispyKritter: Hope that authors life work isn't all the one sided tripe he is pushing. I'm confident I'm not the only one who may avoid or dislike some people solely on their cosmetic appearance. Attractive people have often proven to be rude, pushy, conceited, one dimensional, lacking in moral content and all sorts of other negative descriptions. I've met many lookers who never had to develop a personality because they skated by on what mother nature gave them. All too often they are the biggest dooshbags in the workplace, men and women alike, and I avoid their type accordingly.

I've dated some really good looking women. Most of them are so-so and are dead in the sack. Give me a Plain Jayne or a chunky-chubby girl any day. They tend to be good fun, are down to earth, and are much more in touch with their sexuality. Of course, this is a generalization. But overall most hotties really aren't worth the time of day. Models & actresses are usually deeply troubled head cases. No thanks.

Second!
I can't say I've dated enough to to say something like it is statisticaly relevant, but it is my experience to, and it make sence:
if you can always find new lovers easily, you have no incentive to be nice

Lt. Cheese Weasel		2012-10-25 08:22:17 AM

'I'm handsome, biatches!'

Sm3agol85		2012-10-25 09:48:02 AM

the_vicious_fez: As a code monkey, I take exception to Subby's headline.

/Does he have any idea what code monkeys are paid?

Do you have any idea what handsome code monkeys are paid?:

lilbjorn		2012-10-25 12:52:28 PM

Strange? More like Obvious.

uncoveror		2012-10-25 02:59:18 PM

The world is simply handed to the beautiful people for free. The rest of us have to bust our humps every day, and usually end up with nothing but a busted hump to show for it. They needed a study to find that out? Seriously?

Rent Party		2012-10-25 03:18:54 PM

All the money is in sales, biatches. Get back in your cube and build some more shiat.

meyerkev		2012-10-25 05:32:46 PM

Rent Party: All the money is in sales, biatches. Get back in your cube and build some more shiat.

Yeah, but that doesn't require beautiful people. Uncle Moose has one ugly mug, and he did really, really well in sales until the construction industry collapsed out from underneath him.

/Pity he has such poor taste in women (They be crazy), so he's continuously broke.

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