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(USA Today)   Dick Mourdock clarifies his comments: "I didn't say God intended rape, he just intended the babies born out of rape. Got that?"   (usatoday.com) divider line 388
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2012-10-25 02:17:08 AM
Honestly, as an atheist, what's wrong with saying god intended rape? I mean, if you believe god has a big plan fine. Good comes with bad. whatever.

The question is, "Why is rape part of that plan but not your abortion?"
 
2012-10-25 02:23:41 AM

hawcian: There are, however, an infinite number (albeit a smaller infinity) of universes where complex structures could form.


You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity?"
 
2012-10-25 02:39:14 AM
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Excuse me, but... what does God need with a rape baby?

GranoblasticMan: hawcian: There are, however, an infinite number (albeit a smaller infinity) of universes where complex structures could form.

You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity?"


You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity"?
 
2012-10-25 02:42:15 AM
Rape bad, baby good. So we're all even, right?

Uh, no.
 
2012-10-25 03:31:13 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: LouDobbsAwaaaay: *better protip* Ignore all of it. The collective fantasy stories of an ancient society of goat-herders has no relevance to real life.

mediablitz: If you care about the facts, you should be ignoring the Bible completely.

Gosh darn it, you're just so cute. Yep, the rules Jesus laid out have no relevance for our lives..it's just so typical for farkers who hate the possibility that there's a god and he might want you to live in a way that you don't feel like living it. Just one universe, where the laws just happened to work out to have the ability to form complex life.. and it's entirely bullshiat that there was an intelligence behind it. Chances are, you don't know much about physics.. because the odds against this whole thing happening are beyond staggering.

Please feel free to trot out the "well if it wasn't perfect for forming life, then life wouldn't be there to realize it" derp, because it is only one single universe after all, and the odds are infinitely against you.


The intervention of an intelligent agent is a positive claim, so why should I accept it?
Just as I don't have to accept 'random chance' as a possibility, so why should I accept intelligent intervention as one?

You make plenty of assertions that you haven't backed up:
- that there is just one universe.
- that the universe's cosmological constants and laws could have been something else.
- that 'infinitely' small odds precludes any chance of it occurring.
in an attempt to attack 'random chance' (a topic that you introduced as an attack point), but don't provide any evidence for the above or the existence of an intelligent agent.

In particular, putting forth 'and the odds are infinitely against you' is irrelevant. You've stated that you only have one data point and it contains life, so all that can be inferred is that as far as random chance is concerned, whatever the odds were they weren't zero.

As for your bit about the Abrahamic god, why should I believe in him over any other deity?

'I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.' - Roberts 

\ Noticed your insults towards hawcian.
\\ Classy
 
2012-10-25 04:01:07 AM

intelligent comment below: ilambiquated: intelligent comment below: ilambiquated: intelligent comment below: So far that's 3 things in about 4,000 years

You said constantly getting pissed off

You haven't read the bible.


What else is there?

Haha this is going to be a fun game. You are some kind of clever!!


How is it a fun game if you don't answer my question?


Here's a good start if you are really curious.
 
2012-10-25 04:03:06 AM

Hoboclown: [playingrickymorton.files.wordpress.com image 483x355]

This guy?


Is that Baron Harkonnen?
 
2012-10-25 04:24:07 AM
images.wikia.com
Now he's a Congressman?
This guy pops up everywhere!
 
2012-10-25 04:34:15 AM

Great Porn Dragon: some sects of Judaism, including the branch that spawned Christianity


There is a lot of demonology in the Book of Enoch, which is part of the canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. It was probably very important to Christianity.
 
2012-10-25 05:15:39 AM

ilambiquated: Great Porn Dragon: some sects of Judaism, including the branch that spawned Christianity

There is a lot of demonology in the Book of Enoch, which is part of the canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. It was probably very important to Christianity.


The Book of Enoch is pretty cool. It adds a lot to the story of The Fall Of Man as told in The Bible. Basically, God sent "Watchers" to watch over His Creation while he took a break. Those angles saw our women and got horny. So they made a pact to defy God and get some primate pussy. The result of this union were half-human half-angel hybrids called the Nephilim. The Watchers also taught mankind many "secrets" such as metal working, cosmetics, and arts of war.

The Nephilim grew into giants that consumed huge amounts of food and fought bloody wars among themselves. They started dining on human flesh and generally farking up all the stuff God had worked so hard on the week before. Eventually, God gets word of what the Watchers did and lays down some Godsmack.

Pissed, God bound them in prisons deep within the earth. He wiped out the Nephilim, but their souls continued on as demons attempting to lure people into joining them in their fate at Judgement. The Watchers will remain bound in the Earth. As judgement approaches they will "tremble" and cause great earthquake over all the earth.

/CSB
 
2012-10-25 06:57:48 AM
It's because he believes in predestination. Simple explanation. Nothing to worry about. Man has his right to believe in his religion. Abortion in special cases will never be banned so calm down
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 07:02:29 AM
I am finally in a position to vote against one of the ultra-idiots.

I will vote against Mourdock. You applicable farkers vote against Bachman, Akin, Walsh, etc all.

Actually put down the beer and do it this time!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-25 07:03:30 AM

ninotchka: It's because he believes in predestination. Simple explanation. Nothing to worry about. Man has his right to believe in his religion. Abortion in special cases will never be banned so calm down


Oh bullshiat. Be believes what his corporate and right-wing masters tell him what to believe.
 
2012-10-25 07:52:56 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: LouDobbsAwaaaay: *better protip* Ignore all of it. The collective fantasy stories of an ancient society of goat-herders has no relevance to real life.

mediablitz: If you care about the facts, you should be ignoring the Bible completely.

Gosh darn it, you're just so cute. Yep, the rules Jesus laid out have no relevance for our lives..it's just so typical for farkers who hate the possibility that there's a god and he might want you to live in a way that you don't feel like living it. Just one universe, where the laws just happened to work out to have the ability to form complex life.. and it's entirely bullshiat that there was an intelligence behind it. Chances are, you don't know much about physics.. because the odds against this whole thing happening are beyond staggering.

Please feel free to trot out the "well if it wasn't perfect for forming life, then life wouldn't be there to realize it" derp, because it is only one single universe after all, and the odds are infinitely against you.


The entropic principle isn't bullshiat; it's the foundation of thermodynamics. That you dislike its implication doesn't change the cold-hard physics behind the transfer of energy, the doing of work, and the very formation of matter itself. As for the "odds", well, you're getting it backwards; the universe is not "suitable for life", life developed in response to the conditions of the universe. Life, necessarily, came about under specific conditions, in reaction to those conditions, and, by the simple mechanism of death, those forms of life best suited to the changing physical dynamic of the Earth thrived at the expense of those not so suited. Life is a reaction to the universe, an advantage thoughtlessly grabbed, not its purpose.
 
2012-10-25 08:29:57 AM

God-is-a-Taco: chuckufarlie:

Sure but even in the new Testament he had a son and let him be tortured to death for some reason that still was never made clear to me.

It's a classic human sacrifice myth:

1. Original Sin (the apple story), all mankind is cursed and hated by God blah blah
2. God changes his mind, maybe humans having knowledge is okay
3. Humans are cursed by the Original Sin still, but God can't go against God's Will.
4. God loves sacrifices, but God doesn't value humans enough for their sacrifice to impress God.
5. God creates God2 in human form
6. God2 does some human stuff, sets into motion his sacrifice.
7. God2 is tortured and killed, pleasing God.
8. God revokes God's Original Sin curse, to the joy of God and also God2
9. God is angry at God for making things so complicated and creates organized religion

Baptism is in there too for some factions.


And also the classic story of the male genitive deity which, as huge piles of evidence points to, was originally worshiped via human sacrifice. Whether its Tammuz, Dionysus/Hades, or Jesus the story has a similar form; The god lives physically on earth, the god and the plants die (the harvest), the god goes to the underworld to make a deal with death (winter), the god returns to earth bringing the plants back to life (spring). Among the Indo-Europeans, who didn't have writing until they had taken up agriculture, these gods were typically ones of vegetative fertility, but among the older, Semitic-speaking civilization that invented writing older forms exist, like the story of Tammuz, where the god isn't a harvest deity but a shepherd one. Thus all the shepherd symbolism Jesus is associated with.

That is the tradition the Jesus story plays into, though with two notable twists. First, by dying Jesus saves humans directly from death, instead of indirectly by saving the flocks and plant-life. Second, the salvation Jesus brings isn't the practical salvation of our ancestors -i.e. not starving to death- but rather a salvation tailored to the Roman world the biblical Jesus was invented for; Redemption, literally, the cancelling/paying off of debts. The Roman empire was a slave society and, contrary to the popular concept of Roman slavery, most Roman slaves were debt-slaves, not captives or criminals. The Christians appealed to these debt-slaves via a deity who suffered the greatest form of physical pain and humiliation a slave could suffer(scourging, crucifixion), to bring them salvation by cancelling the moral portion of their debts and ending their slavery. He heralded the Jubilee (again, literally the cancelling of debts, and which historically occurred during the first harvest season of a new Mesopotamian monarch), and reaped a moral harvest (cutting down obligations, bringing in freedom). This is also why, as the Christian church waxed and the Roman state waned, de jure slavery was more or less banished from Roman Europe, to be replaced by the de facto slavery of serfdom and all the justifying sophistry about "order", "hierarchies", and "obligation" with which the later Christian church would surround it.
 
2012-10-25 08:52:58 AM

GranoblasticMan: hawcian: There are, however, an infinite number (albeit a smaller infinity) of universes where complex structures could form.

You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity?"


Actually, it is you who has a poor grasp of the mathematics of infinity. Two sets may both be infinite but one said to be larger or smaller based on how their elements correspond. For example, Take all the positive integers which is an infinite set and the prime numbers which is also an infinite set but a subset of the positive integers.
 
2012-10-25 08:57:40 AM

Jim_Callahan: And... well, good. Sola scriptura Christianity needs to die in a farking fire as soon as practically possible. It can take Wahhabist Islam and "genuine" (i.e. non-hippie-and-drug-fueled) Buddhism out with it while it's going, as far as I'm concerned.


"genuine" Buddhism?

Allow me to show you my zen face:
media.comicvine.com
 
2012-10-25 09:02:42 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: GranoblasticMan: hawcian: There are, however, an infinite number (albeit a smaller infinity) of universes where complex structures could form.

You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity?"

Actually, it is you who has a poor grasp of the mathematics of infinity. Two sets may both be infinite but one said to be larger or smaller based on how their elements correspond. For example, Take all the positive integers which is an infinite set and the prime numbers which is also an infinite set but a subset of the positive integers.


No, the set of all primes is the same size as the set of all integers, even though it is a proper subset. In fact the definition of infinity is that an infinite set can be the same size as on of its a proper subsets.

However, you are right to say that there are different sizes of infinity. The real numbers make up a larger set than the integers, as proven by Cantor's diagonal argument.
 
2012-10-25 09:04:09 AM

nmemkha: God sent "Watchers" to watch over His Creation while he took a break.


Yeah, and the Watchers have survived in Christianity as "guardian angels".
 
2012-10-25 09:12:12 AM

ilambiquated: No, the set of all primes is the same size as the set of all integers, even though it is a proper subset. In fact the definition of infinity is that an infinite set can be the same size as on of its a proper subsets.

However, you are right to say that there are different sizes of infinity. The real numbers make up a larger set than the integers, as proven by Cantor's diagonal argument.


Yeah, writing math in english with no coffee is a recipe for disaster.
 
2012-10-25 09:39:29 AM
"Life is a gift from God."

"We just want to make sure there are more and more of little gifts left in backalley trashcans."
 
2012-10-25 09:50:32 AM

Pope Larry II: On, a serious note. How do these people keep getting elected?


(R)
 
2012-10-25 11:26:04 AM

elchip: When a rapist gives you lemons, make lemonade throw a lemon party.


ftfy
 
2012-10-25 12:25:37 PM

Vindibudd: So if someone believes that life begins at conception and that murder should be illegal, what is it about that opinion that makes it any more ridiculous than the idea that abortion should be legal no matter what even right up until the full term child's head is coming down the birth canal?

Logic is logic and it doesn't give a damn about feelings.


I never quite understood the outrage over that pro-life position. It logically follows. If it didn't, it would require some gymnastics to justify. Once you start with the premise that life begins at conception, the conclusion can't be any different.
 
2012-10-25 03:03:27 PM
Hey, God causes millions of fertilized eggs to not implant, and thousands of miscarriages every year. But it's ALWAYS fine and dandy when he does it, because he's so awesome and powerful and loving.
 
2012-10-25 03:35:57 PM

ilambiquated: Monkeyhouse Zendo: GranoblasticMan: hawcian: There are, however, an infinite number (albeit a smaller infinity) of universes where complex structures could form.

You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity?"

Actually, it is you who has a poor grasp of the mathematics of infinity. Two sets may both be infinite but one said to be larger or smaller based on how their elements correspond. For example, Take all the positive integers which is an infinite set and the prime numbers which is also an infinite set but a subset of the positive integers.

No, the set of all primes is the same size as the set of all integers, even though it is a proper subset. In fact the definition of infinity is that an infinite set can be the same size as on of its a proper subsets.

However, you are right to say that there are different sizes of infinity. The real numbers make up a larger set than the integers, as proven by Cantor's diagonal argument.



i229.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-25 04:07:51 PM

GranoblasticMan: hawcian: There are, however, an infinite number (albeit a smaller infinity) of universes where complex structures could form.

You know how I know you don't understand the concept of "infinity?"


High school math teaches two kinds of infinity, they are different sizes.
 
2012-10-25 07:45:45 PM

Heron:
And also the classic story of the male genitive deity which, as huge piles of evidence points to, was originally worshiped via human sacrifice. Whether its Tammuz, Dionysus/Hades, or Jesus the story has a similar form; The god lives physically on earth, the god and the plants die (the harvest), the god goes to the underworld to make a deal with death (winter), the god returns to earth bringing the plants back to life (spring).


Neat. It's very interesting stuff to read about. We're still using their stories for own books and movies.
 
2012-10-26 06:02:52 AM

nmemkha: ilambiquated: Great Porn Dragon: some sects of Judaism, including the branch that spawned Christianity

There is a lot of demonology in the Book of Enoch, which is part of the canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. It was probably very important to Christianity.

The Book of Enoch is pretty cool. It adds a lot to the story of The Fall Of Man as told in The Bible. Basically, God sent "Watchers" to watch over His Creation while he took a break. Those angles saw our women and got horny. So they made a pact to defy God and get some primate pussy. The result of this union were half-human half-angel hybrids called the Nephilim. The Watchers also taught mankind many "secrets" such as metal working, cosmetics, and arts of war.

The Nephilim grew into giants that consumed huge amounts of food and fought bloody wars among themselves. They started dining on human flesh and generally farking up all the stuff God had worked so hard on the week before. Eventually, God gets word of what the Watchers did and lays down some Godsmack.

Pissed, God bound them in prisons deep within the earth. He wiped out the Nephilim, but their souls continued on as demons attempting to lure people into joining them in their fate at Judgement. The Watchers will remain bound in the Earth. As judgement approaches they will "tremble" and cause great earthquake over all the earth.

/CSB


This would make an awesome movie
 
2012-10-26 04:12:33 PM
So it's been a few days now.

Why, exactly, is this piece of shiat still in office?
 
2012-10-26 05:14:39 PM

whidbey: So it's been a few days now.

Why, exactly, is this piece of shiat still in office?


Because Indiana's Treasurer of State is an elected position. He can't be voted out until 2014, and what he said, while contemptible, doesn't rise to an impeachable offense.

/the moar you know
 
2012-10-26 05:42:33 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: whidbey: So it's been a few days now.

Why, exactly, is this piece of shiat still in office?

Because Indiana's Treasurer of State is an elected position. He can't be voted out until 2014, and what he said, while contemptible, doesn't rise to an impeachable offense.


Who said anything about "impeaching" him.

His remarks are more than enough to demand he step down.


/the moar you know


In this case, then what? Pretty sure my knowledge of the affair doesn't count for anything.
 
2012-10-26 05:58:00 PM

whidbey: His remarks are more than enough to demand he step down.


Forgive me for ignoring that possibility. I just figured it had as much chance of success as my demand that Princess Celestia appear on the one-dollar bill. Teabaggers and power are generally on a "from my cold dead hands" basis. But if you want to give it a shot, hey, best of luck to you.
 
2012-10-26 08:02:57 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: whidbey: So it's been a few days now.

Why, exactly, is this piece of shiat still in office?

Because Indiana's Treasurer of State is an elected position. He can't be voted out until 2014, and what he said, while contemptible, doesn't rise to an impeachable offense.

/the moar you know


I did a quick search to see if there was a recall procedure and I stumbled across the other answer as to why he's in office to begin with:

Lugar maintained a strong fundraising lead over Mourdock throughout the primary battle but stumbled throughout his final campaign. A series of major missteps by Lugar over questions of why he had not owned a home in Indiana since 1977, including his inability at a February 2012 event to recall the address on his driver's license, gave Mourdock a key opening.
 
2012-10-26 10:23:31 PM
Those angels saw our women and got horny. So they made a pact to defy God and get some primate pussy. The result of this union were half-human half-angel hybrids called the Nephilim. The Watchers also taught mankind many "secrets" such as metal working

Soooo....we were not supposed to learn the art of working in metal?


www.alomani.com

www.clipart.dk.co.uk
 
2012-10-26 10:31:49 PM

intelligent comment below: Also bears maul a kid, people blame God. So just like I said. Something bad happens.. BLAME GOD


Considering he's omnipotent and everything exists because of him, then yes, it is God's fault. Or are you suggesting that humans have the same power as God?
 
2012-10-27 03:23:41 AM
You know what would be awesome is if this shiatstain is forced out of office by the end of the year.
 
2012-10-27 03:59:23 AM
Tarred, feathered an' rid outta town on a rail, Ah say.
 
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