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(USA Today)   Dick Mourdock clarifies his comments: "I didn't say God intended rape, he just intended the babies born out of rape. Got that?"   (usatoday.com) divider line 388
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2012-10-24 08:35:26 PM  

Corvus: It's crazy how these Ayn Rand worshipers call themselves "Christians" but their beliefs are the antithesis of his teachings.


She farkin hated Christians, Her last public speech was cursing Reagan for being a nationalist and a Christian.
 
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2012-10-24 08:36:04 PM  

Mugato: Fart_Machine: Mugato: intelligent comment below: I don't see where he is constantly getting pissed off and punishing them but I guess if you believe it rains tomorrow because God's angry then you can blame everything on him

What do you call the Flood? The plagues of Egypt? Adam and Eve? That's all the Bible is, God being pissed and punishing people.

Old Testament God was kind of a jerk.

Sure but even in the new Testament he had a son and let him be tortured to death for some reason that still was never made clear to me.


It's because you masturbate.
 
2012-10-24 08:39:45 PM  

kg2095: Well that wouldn't be hard would it?


I'm pretty sure a battalion of Marines standing buck naked at attention in the middle of a combat zone would be more laid back than an evangelical.
 
2012-10-24 08:40:14 PM  
Had this exact "semantics" conversation with an "independent" today. I wanted to laugh at her, if she weren't in charge of signing my paychecks.

Though I did make it clear that she was rationalizing rape.
 
2012-10-24 08:40:50 PM  
To be perfectly honest, I've always felt that anyone who claims to be "pro-life" because "life begins at conception", yet supports exceptions for race/incest/health of the mother, to be the definition of hypocritical.

If you believe, despite the mountain of scientific evidence that says otherwise, that an egg that has been fertilized for a microsecond is the same thing as a 3-year-old human, then discarding that egg, no matter the situation, is akin to murdering an innocent victim, which is wrong.

In reality, people that claim to be "pro-life" because "life begins at conception" but support the exceptions are actually likely pro-life because they believe abortions are something only bad people, sluts, sinners, and liberals do, and that offends them, so we should legislate based on their morality. But, in those rare occasions where something awful happens to an otherwise good, Christian person... well, we can let it slide THIS ONCE but you should probably pray harder next time.

I can respect someone who honestly believes life begins at conception and rejects abortion fully. I 100% fully disagree with them, find them to be ignorant of science and likely mentally deficient, and will fight them unceasing on every front, but at least they operate on a logical principle based on deeply held beliefs.
 
2012-10-24 08:43:10 PM  

intelligent comment below: So far that's 3 things in about 4,000 years

You said constantly getting pissed off


You haven't read the bible.
 
2012-10-24 08:43:51 PM  
I certainly wouldn't try to claim that rape was "God's will" (especially since I don't believe in God), but I would think that the only morally consistent view on the "pro-life" side is to outlaw abortion for all cases except the life of the mother. Luckily, I am pro-choice.
 
2012-10-24 08:47:06 PM  
Just a heads-up Farkers, I'm calling dibs on "Republican Rape Babies" for a band name.
 
2012-10-24 08:47:10 PM  

Pappas: To be perfectly honest, I've always felt that anyone who claims to be "pro-life" because "life begins at conception", yet supports exceptions for race/incest/health of the mother, to be the definition of hypocritical.


I agree with that. Is abortion murder? I don't know or care. Therefore I'm pro-choice by default. But if you believe that it is murder, why would you give a pass under rape or incest? It's not the kid's fault how he was conceived. In the lunatic pro-life crowd, at least guys like Santorum are consistent.
 
2012-10-24 08:48:08 PM  
canitbesaturdaynow.com
 
2012-10-24 08:52:38 PM  

MikeMc: Just a heads-up Farkers, I'm calling dibs on "Republican Rape Babies" for a band name.


Dibbs!

Dammit. Well at least let me play bass.
 
2012-10-24 08:52:47 PM  

zedster: Do we have free will or are you a believe in predestination?, this is not a hard question


Both.

HA, that was easy.
 
2012-10-24 08:54:16 PM  

evaned: This I actually agree with [...] But no, I can't recall any politician making a statement like that. (Not that I necessarily would have if someone did.)


Nor I. Personally, I would prefer abortions not occur, but concede that's the right of the woman if she gets pregnant and would choose to terminate the pregnancy. I also understand the first, best line of defense against abortion is to have a sex-positive, sexually educated, populace with free access to birth control for men and women. People have the right to abstain if they so choose, but on the other hand if they choose to have and enjoy sex yet don't want children, they should damn well have the means to prevent unwanted pregnancy and know how to put those means to most effective use. Especially in circumstances in which birth control also acts as a prophylactic measure against sexually-transmitted infection (read, condoms, male and female).

People aren't going to stop screwing. That's never, ever going to happen, and pushing abstinence-only is tantamount to pissing in a fan. What can be done is making sure when people do screw, unwanted pregnancy won't result.
 
2012-10-24 08:54:54 PM  

Pappas: To be perfectly honest, I've always felt that anyone who claims to be "pro-life" because "life begins at conception", yet supports exceptions for race/incest/health of the mother, to be the definition of hypocritical.


And even though I'm not in that camp, I think you're wrong (or, can be wrong even if you tend to be right in practice), and I've already explained why earlier in this thread: if you say the fetus is a little mini-human with rights, then it immediately becomes a balancing act between the rights of the fetus and mother; it's not at all unreasonable to say that a deliberate choice to engage in an activity that has a reasonable probability of producing a pregnancy means that the mother waives some of her rights thus moving the balance in favor of the fetus.

I think it's a much bigger hipocracy to be (as someone else pointed out) anti-abortion and anti-birth control.
 
2012-10-24 08:56:26 PM  

intelligent comment below: ilambiquated: intelligent comment below: So far that's 3 things in about 4,000 years

You said constantly getting pissed off

You haven't read the bible.


What else is there?


Haha this is going to be a fun game. You are some kind of clever!!
 
2012-10-24 08:59:18 PM  

vernonFL: I don't see what the big deal is.

Have you read the Bible? The God that these people worship is all about rape.


Yeah, no kidding.
 
2012-10-24 09:00:26 PM  

Diogenes: We should decriminalize rape. The poor men we're prosecuting are just fulfilling God's will.

Do you punish people who give you gifts?


And I still won't be able to get any pooty.
 
2012-10-24 09:00:52 PM  

Pappas: To be perfectly honest, I've always felt that anyone who claims to be "pro-life" because "life begins at conception", yet supports exceptions for race/incest/health of the mother, to be the definition of hypocritical.


I don't have a problem with exceptions for health of the mother. If you consider abortion to be murder (which is illegal killing), well, there are laws that allow you to kill someone in self-defense. That's basically what would be happening with an abortion. So I don't see any hypocrisy there. For rape/incest (you meant "rape" rather than "race", didn't you?) it would seem like hypocrisy.

On the other hand, it would be a fun experiment if we could go up to the people who take that pro-life stance, and force them to personally look after a baby for 9 months, without the ability to ever leave its side, or give it to another person. I suspect a lot of them would change their minds by the end of the process. Not that I'd ever be that cruel to the babies.
 
2012-10-24 09:02:29 PM  
It's so refreshing when religious people are open and honest about their beliefs instead of trying to conceal or spin them because they know the majority of people will think they are wackjobs. Please keep on speaking your mind, especially about things that will alienate 51% of the population.
 
2012-10-24 09:03:39 PM  
Scary thing is, this moran is making these comments to appeal to thousands of people who would agree with him and vote him into office.

THOSE are the ones you need to worry about.
 
2012-10-24 09:04:27 PM  

Corvus: Ok anyone believes this shiat can someone explain how God meant for the rape to happen but has no control over the abortion?

Free will covers abortions but not raping?


Heck, God did it with his own son. Ok, so the abortion was late-term by about 33+ years.
 
2012-10-24 09:05:22 PM  
Same liberals from 50 years ago. Same tired old inflammatory rape rhetoric...

"I'm Norma McCorvey, the former Jane Roe of the Roe vs. Wade decision that brought 'legal' child killing to America.

"I was persuaded by feminist attorneys to lie; to say that I was raped, and needed an abortion. It was all a lie.

"Since then, over 50 million babies have been murdered. I will take this burden to my grave.

"Please, don't follow in my mistakes. DO NOT vote for Barack Obama. He murders babies."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jane-roe-of-roe-v.-wade-airs-anti-ob a ma-ad-in-florida
 
2012-10-24 09:08:21 PM  

Weaver95: Lando Lincoln: The fact that the GOP still exists has forced me to believe that God really isn't paying attention to us.

or that the god(s) the Republicans worship isn't the Christian one.


From all the evidence I've seen, the god(s) represented in Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom would have be the closest manifestation of the GOP god.
 
2012-10-24 09:08:45 PM  
Mourdock should resign. Like now.

There is no apology acceptable for this kind of bullshiat. The e-mail servers should be crashing with the demand.
 
2012-10-24 09:10:03 PM  

chuckufarlie:

Sure but even in the new Testament he had a son and let him be tortured to death for some reason that still was never made clear to me.


It's a classic human sacrifice myth:

1. Original Sin (the apple story), all mankind is cursed and hated by God blah blah
2. God changes his mind, maybe humans having knowledge is okay
3. Humans are cursed by the Original Sin still, but God can't go against God's Will.
4. God loves sacrifices, but God doesn't value humans enough for their sacrifice to impress God.
5. God creates God2 in human form
6. God2 does some human stuff, sets into motion his sacrifice.
7. God2 is tortured and killed, pleasing God.
8. God revokes God's Original Sin curse, to the joy of God and also God2
9. God is angry at God for making things so complicated and creates organized religion

Baptism is in there too for some factions.
 
2012-10-24 09:10:32 PM  

WorldCitizen: So does God have a pre-set agenda of who will fark who to make babies, and if they don't naturally hook up it moves to rape to get that baby made?


A member of my extended family told me this today. If a woman gets raped and pregnant it's because the rapist rejected Jesus earlier in life. If he hadn't rejected Jesus then the couple would have fallen in love and gotten married and that exact baby still would have been born.

I asked him why teen pregnancy is considered to be a bad thing then, since God wanted that exact baby to be born at that exact time, and he didn't have an answer.
 
2012-10-24 09:11:59 PM  

FrailChild: Same liberals from 50 years ago. Same tired old inflammatory rape rhetoric...


So something that Murdock said is "rape rhetoric by liberals"?

/Not sure if trolling or just stupid
 
2012-10-24 09:14:05 PM  

Techhell: I'm thinking that by 2024, there won't be enough Americans capable of this sort of double-think to vote Republican. Now if the US can keep the Republicans from realizing this until 2025, there's a good chance that the USA might not eat itself.


See, the tough part is that they're procreating so fast because they're being raped by their brothers, fathers and uncles and choosing not to abort that "miracle of life" fetus. Idiocracy is happening in America, that's for sure.
 
2012-10-24 09:14:20 PM  

feffer: WorldCitizen: So does God have a pre-set agenda of who will fark who to make babies, and if they don't naturally hook up it moves to rape to get that baby made?

A member of my extended family told me this today. If a woman gets raped and pregnant it's because the rapist rejected Jesus earlier in life. If he hadn't rejected Jesus then the couple would have fallen in love and gotten married and that exact baby still would have been born.

I asked him why teen pregnancy is considered to be a bad thing then, since God wanted that exact baby to be born at that exact time, and he didn't have an answer.


That's pretty messed up.
 
2012-10-24 09:15:18 PM  

FrailChild: Same liberals from 50 years ago. Same tired old inflammatory rape rhetoric...

"I'm Norma McCorvey, the former Jane Roe of the Roe vs. Wade decision that brought 'legal' child killing to America.

"I was persuaded by feminist attorneys to lie; to say that I was raped, and needed an abortion. It was all a lie.

"Since then, over 50 million babies have been murdered. I will take this burden to my grave.

"Please, don't follow in my mistakes. DO NOT vote for Barack Obama. He murders babies."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jane-roe-of-roe-v.-wade-airs-anti-ob a ma-ad-in-florida


Not an Obama fan but stop spreading the BS and let women decide what's best for them.
 
2012-10-24 09:15:24 PM  
New Onion article: "God Distances Self From Christian Right":

Calling Mourdock's comments "the last straw," the Lord Our Maker explained that while in the past there have been a few areas where He and the religious right have been in agreement, more often than not in recent years He and Christian conservatives have grown "actually quite far apart" on a wide range of issues.
 
2012-10-24 09:15:35 PM  
I think this is why religion should be separate from the government and the government should stay out of women's wombs
 
2012-10-24 09:16:13 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: chuckufarlie:

Sure but even in the new Testament he had a son and let him be tortured to death for some reason that still was never made clear to me.

It's a classic human sacrifice myth:

1. Original Sin (the apple story), all mankind is cursed and hated by God blah blah
2. God changes his mind, maybe humans having knowledge is okay
3. Humans are cursed by the Original Sin still, but God can't go against God's Will.
4. God loves sacrifices, but God doesn't value humans enough for their sacrifice to impress God.
5. God creates God2 in human form
6. God2 does some human stuff, sets into motion his sacrifice.
7. God2 is tortured and killed, pleasing God.
8. God revokes God's Original Sin curse, to the joy of God and also God2
9. God is angry at God for making things so complicated and creates organized religion

Baptism is in there too for some factions.


When all is said and done, Jesus' life and sacrifice is one gigantic theatrical performance to achieve something that God could have done at the snap of a finger. Just kind of illustrates the point that the God of the Bible is a histrionic, petty drama queen.
 
2012-10-24 09:16:48 PM  

Weaver95: leaving aside for a moment the philosophical implications of believing in a god that condones violent acts against his followers...did Mourdock really intend that press conference to succeed? c'mon man...I was watching it. he tried to say that his words were 'twisted' against him. while i'm sure that you could make that case in other circumstances the record seems pretty clear: he kinda/sorta seems to believe that rape babies happen because it's god's will and his press conference didn't really clear any of that up.


He wasn't sorry about saying it, he was sorry that people 'twisted' his words. So basically he stands by his original words of rapetiy rape rape rape.

/I said rape 3 times.
 
2012-10-24 09:18:00 PM  

dericwater: Techhell: I'm thinking that by 2024, there won't be enough Americans capable of this sort of double-think to vote Republican. Now if the US can keep the Republicans from realizing this until 2025, there's a good chance that the USA might not eat itself.

See, the tough part is that they're procreating so fast because they're being raped by their brothers, fathers and uncles and choosing not to abort that "miracle of life" fetus. Idiocracy is happening in America, that's for sure.


People may be getting dumber, but they aren't getting more religious.
The younger generations are losing religion fast.
 
2012-10-24 09:18:39 PM  

Mugato: Fart_Machine: Mugato: intelligent comment below: I don't see where he is constantly getting pissed off and punishing them but I guess if you believe it rains tomorrow because God's angry then you can blame everything on him

What do you call the Flood? The plagues of Egypt? Adam and Eve? That's all the Bible is, God being pissed and punishing people.

Old Testament God was kind of a jerk.

Sure but even in the new Testament he had a son and let him be tortured to death for some reason that still was never made clear to me.


One explanation is that it is a fertility myth, like Adonis or Persephone.

Also it's not clear that early Christians really believed that God the Father was the OT god. The NT god may have been a replacement for the OT god and the death an initiation rite.
 
2012-10-24 09:20:05 PM  
Hey, Jesus was a rape baby. So, if it's good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone!
 
2012-10-24 09:20:23 PM  

WorldCitizen: kg2095: Weaver95: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I prefer to hang out with the heathens instead of the pagans.

Pagan community has too many drama llamas.

I haven't actually seen any issues among the pagans I know in my local area. they seem more laid back than the evangelical Christians.

Well that wouldn't be hard would it?

One of my best friends is a pagan. He's about as laid back and good of a human being as one can get.


Generally anyone in a minority religion has to be, it is only when a religion becomes the majority they start farking up a country/region.
 
2012-10-24 09:20:32 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: WWJR?


He played his father, raped his mother and he became the result of that non-abortion.
 
2012-10-24 09:22:31 PM  
I like where this thread went
 
2012-10-24 09:27:51 PM  
I find his statement entirely consistent with what I observe religious believers do every day.
For example: Joey gets very sick. This is horrible news but not caused or ordained by anyone. Everyone at church is asked to pray for Joey.
Joey gets better. It's a miracle!!! Hallelujah! God has intervened because we prayed real hard.
OR
Joey dies. It's God's will, thank you Lord for giving Joey such a beautiful time on earth.

The whole thing is entirely consistent in its craziness and shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
2012-10-24 09:29:17 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: nekulor: Why is Conservative God such a dick?

Because it's a bunch of assholes telling others what god thinks, instead of reiterating any teachings of examples of god, such as Jesus. This is the perfect example of a wolf in christian clothing, which should not reflect on christians as a whole, as this sort of thing typically does on fark.


Could not agree more. Jesus was a wolf, and his deceptions towards his fellow Jews were astounding.
 
2012-10-24 09:29:22 PM  
When a rapist gives you lemons, make lemonade.
 
2012-10-24 09:30:43 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: I like where this thread went


The surest way to get people to say mean and nasty things about your religion is to try to use it to control their lives.
If people don't want their beliefs demeaned and torn to pieces, they shouldn't use them as a basis for public policy.

Everything that people use to advocate for public policy gets scrutinized, perverted and misconstrued.
Religious beliefs won't be spared that just because of sentimental attachment.
 
2012-10-24 09:34:18 PM  
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2012-10-24 09:34:40 PM  

elchip: When a rapist gives you lemons, make lemonade.


I call mine Raponade.
 
2012-10-24 09:37:22 PM  

HeartBurnKid: dletter: swaniefrmreddeer: So god intended for the rape victim to conceive, then he must have wanted her to be raped in the first place. Therefor god wants women to get rape-raped.

You forget, "God" is responsible for anything that they do want to have happen, and "Satan" or something else outside of God's control is responsible for the other parts. So, Satan raped the person, and God just decided to make it a little better, because kids always make everything better!

It is all part of the "Making things up from inferences as I go along to fit my needs" bible study.

You know, I'll never understand how Christians think of themselves as monotheists. So many of them ascribe so much power and control to Satan that he must be considered a secondary deity of some sort.


That is interesting, never really thought about it that way, I'll have to ask next time I am in a group how they consider that being not "monotheistic", I mean, Satan seems to have some pretty "God-like" powers.
 
2012-10-24 09:42:45 PM  
That's what I understood him to mean the first time.
 
2012-10-24 09:45:14 PM  

Ricardo Klement: That's what I understood him to mean the first time.


Like it really makes a difference. Any way you parse his statement he's still a misogynistic asshole.
 
2012-10-24 09:49:07 PM  

dletter: That is interesting, never really thought about it that way, I'll have to ask next time I am in a group how they consider that being not "monotheistic", I mean, Satan seems to have some pretty "God-like" powers.


Meh. I can't say for sure what a believer would say, but it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that Satan's power comes from God.

He's not mentioned a whole lot in the Bible, but if you go by the apochrypha and other fan fiction then Satan is widely considered to be a fallen Angel. So God can be pointed at as the source of any initial power in that case.

Satan is also generally not free to use all his talents on all people. He needs God's permission, like with Job, or he needs people to give themselves over to him freely before he can really screw them over. Or people need to piss God off so much that he withdraws his protection and Satan gains free reign.

So Satan doesn't really have any power outside of what God allows, as far as I can tell. So it's still a pretty monotheistic system that way.
 
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