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2012-10-24 06:16:00 PM

Diogenes: We should decriminalize rape. The poor men we're prosecuting are just fulfilling God's will.

Do you punish people who give you gifts?


Never look a gift rape in the mouth.
 
2012-10-24 06:16:03 PM
Oh Christ, I saw the Onion article and now this. I don't know which is...well, I just don't farking know any more.
 
2012-10-24 06:16:12 PM
Maybe the Lord intended for there to be abortions. Why do so many people claim to know what the Lord intends?
 
2012-10-24 06:16:23 PM

dahmers love zombie: [i.imgur.com image 850x296]


*Sigh* Fairly sure "forcible rape" is common legal terminology. As opposed to statutory rape, where it's considered rape regardless of the willingness of involved parties. Doesn't quite belong on the chart with the other derp.
 
2012-10-24 06:16:31 PM

fusillade762: This is the same guy who sued to stop the auto bailouts. How is it ANYONE in Indiana would vote for this idiot?


I believe I may have found the answer to your question.

/lives in Missouri so I'm asking the same think about all the Rape Akin supporters as well
 
2012-10-24 06:16:49 PM

Vodka Zombie: "Dear Jesus.My wife and I can't make a baby. Can you please send someone to rape her?" #DesperateRepublicanPrayers- Daniel Poehlman (@DPoem) October 24, 2012


That's a funny right there.

Mourdock should STFU and move on.
 
2012-10-24 06:18:17 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

I want to set the record straight. I thought the cop was a prostitute.
 
2012-10-24 06:18:26 PM
playingrickymorton.files.wordpress.com

This guy?
 
2012-10-24 06:19:55 PM
This is the rapiest political season I've ever seen.
 
2012-10-24 06:20:18 PM

that bosnian sniper: Oh Christ, I saw the Onion article and now this. I don't know which is...well, I just don't farking know any more.


This entire election season has made Poe's Law into Poe's Ironclad Rule of Life.
 
2012-10-24 06:21:23 PM

wambu: I'm not taking a position pro or con. But I wonder about people who talk about life beginning at conception and how abortion of these unborn innocents is murder, but then say abortion is OK if the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. I realize that it would be traumatic for the woman in such circumstances, but how does the status of the child change to justify abortion? If the discomfort of the mother justifies it, why is that different than if the mother just doesn't want the pregnancy? I'm just puzzled at the disconnect in logic.


So I'm not really one of those people, because I think that abortion should be legal in all circumstances. However: while I do come down pretty firmly on that side of the line, in some sense I'm not that far away from it -- I'm actually way more sympathetic to the pro-life argument than I am to, say, the anti-gay-marriage or anti-Marijuana-legalization "arguments".

Basically I base that reasoning on the following. I do think that the pro-life crowd has an argument that the fetus has some right to life -- and after a few (deliberately vague) months, that's pretty strong. But of course that comes in conflict with the mother's right to make medical decisions about her body. So it's a place where two "people"'s rights come into conflict, and we have to weigh out that conflict. For pro-lifers, the fetus as wins out in that balance act. For pro-choicers, the mother wins out.

For me, at least until the infamous "late term" period, I fall onto the mother's side. However, I will admit that the margin is close. And because of this, I think that clear, reasonable choices that the mother has made like "oh, let's not use a condom" (in concert, of course, with the father) serve to waive some of the mother's right -- and that moves the scales closer to the side of the fetus. For me, it's not close enough to spill over to the other side -- but I can definitely see how it could be.
 
2012-10-24 06:24:22 PM
That's one farked-up god you Christians worship.
 
2012-10-24 06:24:23 PM

jvl: For the grownups here, if there are any, here is what the gibberish coming out of his mouth means:

Some people believe in predestination. Some believe in free will. And some manage to believe in both, which leads to interesting logical conclusions.

Here's how the "both" works: people have free will, but God knows how it's going to work out if he lets people make their own decisions. Usually such people believe that the end result of history is destined. So the rape is a completely evil crime made when God allowed the rapist to choose whether to act good or act evilly. The net result though, simply adds to God's plan. In this way, he is saying that if someone is raped and chooses to have a baby, then the baby is (a) good and (b) meant to be and (c) the rapist is a criminal.

But please continue hyperventilating as if he had said something truly wacko like "women can naturally abort real rape."


A) No on is "hyperventilating". We are pointing and laughing at a dipshiat!

B) Religious right keep saying it's not right to help the poor through the government (even though Jesus said to help the poor) because they say it is forcing others to do what is right instead of them deciding. So why is it ok to force others to do what is bibilically right about abortion and gays through the government (two things both Jesus Christ never even spoke about)?
 
2012-10-24 06:24:52 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: So god intended for the rape victim to conceive, then he must have wanted her to be raped in the first place. Therefor god wants women to get rape-raped.


Exactly. That these scumbags reveal in their more honest moments such comfort with rape shouldn't surprise any of us though; God never asked Mary for her consent either, after all.
 
2012-10-24 06:25:44 PM
If something is god's will (the conception of a baby) and it's so much god's will that a woman doesn't even get consent, wouldn't the abortion just magically fail to work? Can a person subvert the will of a being so all-powerful that a baby can be born even when the mother doesn't want to have sex with anyone?
 
2012-10-24 06:25:53 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-24 06:25:57 PM

SteelPeart: Dear Farkers:

You've been trolled hard by a Christian fundie idiot.

Sincerely,

the rest of the human race


It really bothers me that the word troll is so overused and misused these days.
 
2012-10-24 06:25:59 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: That's one farked-up god you Christians worship.


You know who is a cool person? That Jesus Christ guy. He never spoke about abortion or hating gays. In fact he talked about helping the poor and loving EVERYONE. No wonder these guys never actually seem to give a shiat about what he said.
 
2012-10-24 06:27:17 PM

machodonkeywrestler: SteelPeart: Dear Farkers:

You've been trolled hard by a Christian fundie idiot.

Sincerely,

the rest of the human race

It really bothers me that the word troll is so overused and misused these days.


Me too. Now people use it for "someone saying something stupid but they actually believe" or even "someone makes a point that makes me mad because I don't have a good answer".
 
2012-10-24 06:28:52 PM

Vodka Zombie: "Dear Jesus.My wife and I can't make a baby. Can you please send someone to rape her?" #DesperateRepublicanPrayers- Daniel Poehlman (@DPoem) October 24, 2012


If your wife isn't getting pregnant when you have sex with her, surely it is because you are raping her? And if she could then get pregnant with a rapists baby, than means she must have wanted to be raped by him.

/Akin logic
 
2012-10-24 06:28:57 PM
Maybe he's a Kant fan and is thinking of God in the transcendent form.

...lol jk this dude is retarded
 
2012-10-24 06:29:23 PM
Legitimate Rape rears it's ugly head again, rephrased, soften, so as not to stir the gentle sensibilities of God's future rape-child vessels. As Paul Ryan would say, it's for your own good God chose you to bear his child. I guess, God is rape when a child is conceived.
 
2012-10-24 06:30:18 PM
Republicans, when anyone asks you a question even tangentially related to rape, your only answer should be "Rape is bad" followed by a pivot to the economy. Don't try to explain your views, don't try to equivocate, don't try to define your own terms. Just say "rape is bad" and pivot. "Rape is bad" and pivot.
 
2012-10-24 06:30:47 PM
www.anomalousmaterial.com

Also seeking Murdoch.
 
2012-10-24 06:31:00 PM
Monday: "God demanded the birth of this baby, rape or no rape!"

Tuesday: "No you can't have any government assistance, if you couldn't afford a baby you shouldn't have had one!"

Republican logic.
 
2012-10-24 06:31:27 PM
Onion article that I thought was pure satire.

/my mistake
 
2012-10-24 06:31:43 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Corvus: You know who is a cool person? That Jesus Christ guy. He never spoke about abortion or hating gays. In fact he talked about helping the poor and loving EVERYONE. No wonder these guys never actually seem to give a shiat about what he said.

One of my favorite moments in the life of Jesus....

[i.imgur.com image 600x656]


It's crazy how these Ayn Rand worshipers call themselves "Christians" but their beliefs are the antithesis of his teachings.
 
2012-10-24 06:32:34 PM

evaned: I'm actually a pretty hardcore liberal, and I'm actually willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as far as what he said.

What I don't understand though is how you believe in an omnipotent god who goes "oh, hey, she's getting raped. Um... let's make her pregnant" instead of "oh, hey, she's getting raped. Let's give him a convenient massive heart attack" -- and then go and worship said god.


Or even "oh, hey, she's going to get raped at 3pm by... okay, he'll have a heart attack at 1pm, cool."
 
2012-10-24 06:33:42 PM
Hey, cut God some slack. It's not like he is omniscient or something.

How could he know that the baby he wants would entail a rape or even a rape-murder?

And even if he did, you can't expect the Divinity to be omnipotent.

And how many of you are perfectly benevolent and incapable of spite, cruelty or greedy for little Soul Stickers to add to your Collector's Book of Long-suffering Innocent Baby Souls? If you are not perfect, don't criticize anything that I wouldn' criticize. He certainly can't admit he is wrong. Didn't you ever see that movie with Alanis Morrisette incarnated as Irony with a capital I. What was that thing called? It had George Carlin in it as a bishop or something. Oh, yeah. Dogma. You see, if God admitted he was wrong about something, it would cause everything God made infallibly to instantly become nothing infalliably. Then it would finally make sense, which is absurd, because it never did when it was EVERYTHING.

Really.

Don't they teach kids anything in Church any more? I mean apart from "shut up and do what you're told and maybe Daddy won't have to beat the living crap out of you and rape your sisters all night long till you bang your head against the wall in hopes of becoming deaf"? They still teach that I'm sure. A dog returns to its vomit.

Because God is Total Perfection and therefore gets to pick and choose between those parts of the Universe that are His and those bits which don't really count toward His Perfect Game of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

There is no paradox or self-contradiction whatsoever in the concept of "Perfect God, Completely Farked Up Creation". We have not over-built Providence worse than Hong Kong, where they start knocking skyscrapers down before they have finished putting them up.

Shut up.

Wait until your Father gets home.
 
2012-10-24 06:33:57 PM

PanicMan: Xanlexian: This "God" fellow sure is an asshole.

Pretty much.


The Christian definition of this "god" fellow makes it seem as if it is a total ass hole.
 
2012-10-24 06:34:52 PM
Lol... Oh, please keep talking, you colossal shiat heel.
 
2012-10-24 06:34:53 PM

Pope Larry II: On, a serious note. How do these people keep getting elected?


Never underestimate the power of bigoted idiocy.
 
2012-10-24 06:34:57 PM

evaned: I do think that the pro-life crowd has an argument that the fetus has some right to life -- and after a few (deliberately vague) months, that's pretty strong [...] And because of this, I think that clear, reasonable choices that the mother has made like "oh, let's not use a condom" (in concert, of course, with the father) serve to waive some of the mother's right -- and that moves the scales closer to the side of the fetus. For me, it's not close enough to spill over to the other side -- but I can definitely see how it could be.


See, that is the problem. "Pro-life" people are also vehemently anti-birth control. You'd think a pro-life person would be in favor of birth control, so fetuses are not being made before the parent(s) is willing and ready, but they're not. They're just misogynists, plain and simple.

No right to abort an unwanted pregnancy, no right to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Hell, they're against teaching kids how to have sex (which whether you admit it or not kids are wont to do) without pregnancy, or while minimizing the risk of STI. These are the same people into slut-shaming and rape apology, against women's sexual liberation or sexual positivity of any kind whatsoever. It's misogyny, and there's no other excuse for it, and certainly no defense from a rational, human rights-based perspective.
 
2012-10-24 06:35:23 PM

Lord Jubjub: Onion article that I thought was pure satire.

/my mistake


At this rate I think he's THIS close to making that exact argument.
 
2012-10-24 06:37:18 PM
And now a message from the Republican Party:

Rape is a gift from God.

This has been a message from the Republican Party, thank you and goodnight!
 
2012-10-24 06:38:22 PM
Is your God so weak that a doctor with some pills or a small vacuum can upset his intergalactic plans or is it more that, really, all will turn out according to his plan any way - including, sometimes, abortion? God allowed man the technology to make abortions safe, did he not?
 
2012-10-24 06:38:59 PM

jvl: For the grownups here, if there are any, here is what the gibberish coming out of his mouth means:

Some people believe in predestination. Some believe in free will. And some manage to believe in both, which leads to interesting logical conclusions.

Here's how the "both" works: people have free will, but God knows how it's going to work out if he lets people make their own decisions. Usually such people believe that the end result of history is destined. So the rape is a completely evil crime made when God allowed the rapist to choose whether to act good or act evilly. The net result though, simply adds to God's plan. In this way, he is saying that if someone is raped and chooses to have a baby, then the baby is (a) good and (b) meant to be and (c) the rapist is a criminal.

But please continue hyperventilating as if he had said something truly wacko like "women can naturally abort real rape."



Grown ups know that women exist. Seems like you and Dicky could care less about their position in the matter.
 
2012-10-24 06:39:23 PM
"Well, the bad news is we haven't caught your rapist. But the good news is--you're gonna have a BAY-BEEE!!!"
 
2012-10-24 06:39:47 PM

dahmers love zombie: [i.imgur.com image 850x296]


Going into my stash. Wow. just wow.
 
2012-10-24 06:40:54 PM
Dick moredick? What kind of name is that

/// but strangely accurate
 
2012-10-24 06:41:39 PM
So the rape is caused by the rapist, but the pregnancy is caused by God.

And when there's a spontaneous miscarriage following a rape related pregnancy?

I guess God just has a weird sense of humor or something.
 
2012-10-24 06:42:46 PM
I'm a little surprised by what looks to me like a general failure to understand Christian dogma with respect to "God's plan." I'm an atheist, through and through, but I understand that the people who believe this stuff (well, the serious ones, anyway; the ones who've at least heard of Aquinas) don't think of God's plan as some kind of agenda, some sequence of predestined events, but rather something much bigger than that - perhaps so big that we can't even fully comprehend its actual nature. It's big enough to allow for free will and to allow for evil, to allow each to work without intervention, and yet finally serve God's will.

Like I said, I don't believe any of this stuff but I certainly understand it, and I don't think it's facially absurd (in my opinion there are plenty of other things about Christianity and the belief in God that are facially absurd, which is why I'm an atheist).
 
2012-10-24 06:43:03 PM
So let me this straight, God wills people to die in horrific deaths (even in genocide), God wills young children to die of painful cancer, God even wills babies from cases of rape.... But yet, still doesn't will said act of rape.

cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug....
 
2012-10-24 06:44:26 PM

Diogenes: We should decriminalize rape. The poor men we're prosecuting are just fulfilling God's will.

Do you punish people who give you gifts?


No, not all rape, just rape that results in pregnancy. THAT'S god's will.
 
2012-10-24 06:44:55 PM

that bosnian sniper: See, that is the problem. "Pro-life" people are also vehemently anti-birth control.


This I actually agree with. If Romney was like "yeah, I'd like to see abortion illegal except for rape/incest, but let's expand funding for Planned Parenthood's other services to reduce the need", I'd actually start to, I dunno, sorta respect the guy. Toss in an "let's repeal federal marijuana laws because 'states' rights' and 'the federal budget'" and a couple other things and I could actually see myself coming around to his side.

But no, I can't recall any politician making a statement like that. (Not that I necessarily would have if someone did.)
 
2012-10-24 06:46:02 PM
God should mind his business and stay out of politics. There are plenty of sports games he needs to be at, or failing that he could design some plays for Tebow.
 
2012-10-24 06:46:22 PM

jvl: Here's how the "both" works: people have free will, but God knows how it's going to work out if he lets people make their own decisions. Usually such people believe that the end result of history is destined. So the rape is a completely evil crime made when God allowed the rapist to choose whether to act good or act evilly. The net result though, simply adds to God's plan. In this way, he is saying that if someone is raped and chooses to have a baby, then the baby is (a) good and (b) meant to be and (c) the rapist is a criminal.


Yeah, I'm going to agree that this makes no sense. If the rape baby was "meant to be," then so was the rape. I can draw out the symbolic logic if you want...

On the bright side, Calvinists will be fine with the idea of someone doing an evil act as part of God's plan then being condemned for it, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.
 
2012-10-24 06:46:22 PM

jvl: For the grownups here, if there are any, here is what the gibberish coming out of his mouth means:

Some people believe in predestination. Some believe in free will. And some manage to believe in both, which leads to interesting logical conclusions.

Here's how the "both" works: people have free will, but God knows how it's going to work out if he lets people make their own decisions. Usually such people believe that the end result of history is destined. So the rape is a completely evil crime made when God allowed the rapist to choose whether to act good or act evilly. The net result though, simply adds to God's plan. In this way, he is saying that if someone is raped and chooses to have a baby, then the baby is (a) good and (b) meant to be and (c) the rapist is a criminal.

But please continue hyperventilating as if he had said something truly wacko like "women can naturally abort real rape."


And that thinking is ludicrous. God's plan includes the child being born, but not its conception? Was god was just going to magic his sperm into her, or perhaps, if the man hadn't chosen to rape her (as a result of the life and upbringing which God the omnipotent planned out for him), then god would have brought them together via seredipity, fallen in love, and advanced God's plans consensually? That's no argument, it's a farce of one; a bad joke told by a shiatty clown. People who believe this tripe tie themselves into ridiculous logic-knots trying to justify absurdity but absurdity it remains; reason cuts through it as easily as it did at Gordium for those of us not bound by the fanciful suppositions needed to support primitive fictions.

And how can god -an entity required to be both good and omnipotent- be god if it works through evil? To allow evil you can prevent is to be its accomplice, and to make due with evil you cannot stop is to be limited. A god who would do what you have outlined either would not be good, or would not be omnipotent, and thus it is no better than the pagan gods precedent Christians mocked as magical drunks and divine adulterers.
 
2012-10-24 06:46:34 PM

BMulligan: the ones who've at least heard of Aquinas) don't think of God's plan as some kind of agenda, some sequence of predestined events, but rather something much bigger than that - perhaps so big that we can't even fully comprehend its actual nature


What a perfect way to say that a plan exists without ever having to provide any details about it or proof it exists! A God we can't see doing things we can't understand, and yet it's all part of a plan! BRILLIANT
 
2012-10-24 06:47:30 PM

GhostFish: So the rape is caused by the rapist, but the pregnancy is caused by God.

And when there's a spontaneous miscarriage following a rape related pregnancy?

I guess God just has a weird sense of humor or something.


Well, if the attempts to criminalize miscarriages in places like Oklahoma are any indication, that goes back to being the woman's fault.
 
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