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(Talking Points Memo)   So, just how would Mitt Romney have arrested Ahmadinejad? Here's a look at his plan, which requires a wily coyote, some ACME products, and a suspension of disbelief   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 130
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2012-10-24 01:10:38 PM
Oh brother.
 
2012-10-24 01:11:01 PM
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Black Hawk Down
 
2012-10-24 01:13:35 PM
So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?
 
2012-10-24 01:14:03 PM
So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"
 
2012-10-24 01:46:16 PM
First, they would need to make sure Russia and China missed the Security Council meeting. The US could schedule the meeting at Buffalo Wild Wings, but tell Russia and China the wrong one. That would take care of that.
Then to capture him, they could send him an official looking letter, telling him he won a brand new car but he had to pick it up at The Hague.
 
2012-10-24 01:47:56 PM
Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.
 
2012-10-24 02:01:25 PM
Mitt Romney. Pro arresting Ahmadenijad. Anti killing bin Laden.
 
2012-10-24 02:08:57 PM

Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"


Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.
 
2012-10-24 02:13:56 PM
So we're against the ICC until we're for it. OK!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-24 02:14:04 PM
So would he support arresting other government officials who incited unnecessary wars with mass casualties.
 
2012-10-24 02:19:40 PM

kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.


No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.
 
2012-10-24 02:25:50 PM

Aarontology: Anti killing bin Laden.


He's not anti killing bin Laden, he's anti killing bin Laden during Obama's term.
 
2012-10-24 02:33:01 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


This week, yes.
 
2012-10-24 02:33:09 PM

Jackson Herring: Aarontology: Anti killing bin Laden.

He's not anti killing bin Laden, he's anti killing bin Laden during Obama's term.


Damn, I always miss the nuance.
 
2012-10-24 02:42:32 PM
You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?
 
2012-10-24 02:44:59 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


Yeah, that's what I got out of that statement too.

ROMNEY'S ONE STEP AWAY FROM THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION!
 
2012-10-24 02:48:39 PM
If anyone believes that Ackmadinnerjacket is anything more that a titular ruler of Iran is really kidding themselves.

/and I am including Rmoney in that statement
 
2012-10-24 02:57:59 PM
It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"
 
2012-10-24 03:02:58 PM

Aarontology: Mitt Romney. Pro arresting Ahmadenijad. Anti killing bin Laden.


This is very true and very telling about his character as a leader. Didn't the Right lambast Clinton for being soft in places like Mogadishu and Serbia? And, now Fartmoney is taking the same kind of stance on foreign affairs? He's sprinting away from his base again to get back to what he thinks is the middle.

vpb: So would he support arresting other government officials who incited unnecessary wars with mass casualties.


OTHER countries. Not ours. There's no way any standing president would turn over ANY American citizen to the Iraqi or Afghani leaders for our wars there. The rules only apply to the other guys, not our country.

Diogenes: No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.


Fartmoney has a hard-on for Israel, he really, really wants to ask the Prime Minister to Prom, but it's ok, it's just a bromance. When he's not talking up Israel at every point of his campaign, he's sending Benji candied Valentine hearts and chocolate samplers from Whitman's.
 
2012-10-24 03:07:10 PM
I was assured that the International Criminal Court was a BAD thing.
 
2012-10-24 03:33:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I was assured that the International Criminal Court was a BAD thing.


The USA isn't even a member of it.

/If we were a member, it might cause problems, such as George W. Bush and Barack Obama being indicted for war crimes.
 
2012-10-24 03:34:09 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.


I'm all for supporting Israel. But letting them dictate the terms when we have all the power is asinine.
 
2012-10-24 03:38:42 PM

ricewater_stool: I'm all for supporting Israel. But letting them dictate the terms when we have all the power is asinine.


No, it's called being bought and paid for by Sheldon Adelson.
 
2012-10-24 03:48:52 PM
I assume as an act of war and violation of international law.

Two things Republicans really don't think about or care about when it comes to foreign policy.
 
2012-10-24 03:53:33 PM
"I'd make sure that Ahmadinejad is indicted under the Genocide Convention. His words amount to genocide incitation," Romney said.

The U.S. doesn't recognize the ICC. Good luck with that.
 
2012-10-24 03:53:52 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Diogenes: No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.

Fartmoney has a hard-on for Israel, he really, really wants to ask the Prime Minister to Prom, but it's ok, it's just a bromance. When he's not talking up Israel at every point of his campaign, he's sending Benji candied Valentine hearts and chocolate samplers from Whitman's.


Which is a great way to ensure that Benny Hillanyahu doesn't make it through the next parliamentary elections. Israelis are increasingly not happy with Bibi's Iranian sabre-rattling and (with the exception of the Israeli Right) bristle at his support of Romney over Obama.
 
2012-10-24 03:55:52 PM

kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.


You do realize Dinner Jacket's position is mostly ceremonial, right? When the military cracks down, he doesn't have anything to do with it.
 
2012-10-24 03:56:10 PM

Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


I think it's a bit discouraging that the foreign policy debate was the least viewed, as predicted. Foreign policy is one of the few areas in which a president has genuinely broad personal authority.
 
2012-10-24 04:05:30 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.


They have a very capable military. Why we feel the need to coddle them is beyond me. Sure, back them up, but fight their wars THEY want to start?
 
2012-10-24 04:06:07 PM

kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.


Crimes against humanity? You're overstating things dude. Some Iranian teabaggers got super butthurt over losing an election and the cops rattled their teeth. Sure, that kinda blows for Iranians and if they wanna do something about it, great, but why should anyone else care?
 
2012-10-24 04:06:11 PM
Romney probably has no idea what this would entail, and little clue what would happen if he did it. If he is elected and fails to get this done, it won't be a lie it will be a failure much like Obamas failure to close Gitmo.

If he does know what it entails and still says he'll do it, it's a lie.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I was assured that the International Criminal Court was a BAD thing.


I was also assured that criminalizing "hate speech" was a liberal plot that would lead down the slippery slope to "thought police."
 
2012-10-24 04:08:24 PM

DamnYankees: vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?

This week, yes.


Give him some credit. He's very flexible.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:37 PM
I can't keep track of all these damned Romneys. Can someone get a chart to go with name tags so a layman such as myself can tell them apart? Where the hell is Tagg when you need him.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:49 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.

You do realize Dinner Jacket's position is mostly ceremonial, right? When the military cracks down, he doesn't have anything to do with it.


Of course he doesn't. I'm sure that every night, he just cries himself to sleep over the killing of peaceful protesters that happened over his watch. He may answer to the guys above him... but that doesn't mean he isn't a co-conspirator in the crimes against humanity perpetrated by his government.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:54 PM

Diogenes: kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.

No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.


Also interestingly, if cracking down on protestors is a reason to invade a state, would the same people have supported Russia or China invading the US during the 60s due to the crack downs on protestors then (Kent state and all that)? 

Realistically the amount of level of crimes the government of Iran has committed against its people cannot be enough to justify invasion or even assassination and/or abduction of the head of state, because that would degenerate into chaos and world wars - the amount of crimes have to be far higher for the cost/benefit of a foreign nation intervening (especially one that is already considered hostile by the majority of the population) to have even a chance of being positive. Some things have to be left to the local population to try to address.
 
2012-10-24 04:11:45 PM
The knuckle dragging teatards don't give a flying fark what Romney actually says or DOES.
 
2012-10-24 04:12:24 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: If anyone believes that Ackmadinnerjacket is anything more that a titular ruler of Iran is really kidding themselves.

/and I am including Rmoney in that statement


This. His job is to be a distraction. He does his job very well.
 
2012-10-24 04:13:32 PM
I'll bet the plan involved horses and bayonets.
 
2012-10-24 04:14:37 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: If anyone believes that Ackmadinnerjacket is anything more that a titular ruler of Iran is really kidding themselves.

/and I am including Rmoney in that statement


Shhhh! We need a boogeyman or our economy collapses. Or something.

I always wanted to test a Republican with the question, "Who's in charge of Iran?" Anyone who DOESN'T say "The Supreme Council, led by Supreme Leader Ali Khameini" doesn't get my vote. Ahmadinajad's role as "president" is analogous to the American Secretary of State. He doesn't wield power, but he's elected (or "elected") and they call him "President," so that's good enough for Republicans. He also says stupid, inflammatory shiat to keep his job and make his bosses happy, so maybe Republicans just don't like the competition...
 
2012-10-24 04:15:04 PM
With each passing day, I'm becoming more and more convinced that a Romney presidency means war with Iran. Nevermind how far they are from actually creating a weapon -- Romney's campaign is filled to the eyeballs with all the usual suspects that lied and pushed and forced a war with Iraq down our throats, and they're looking for more blood in Iran. They're going to push the threat, claim they can get a weapon within weeks, and the time to attack is now.

It's their MO. They're all members of PNAC. It's what they do. They're all in Romney's campaign. They'll serve in his adminstration, unelected, just like the last administration. It's terrifying.
 
Bf+
2012-10-24 04:15:46 PM

Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"



this.

In the final debate... on foreign policy... He showed he didn't even know the location of the countries involved while at the same time reversing his Afghanistan exit strategy stance 180 degrees from what he held only two weeks ago. (Not to mention promising to ramp up battleship production.)

How is this not the worst presidential-race-ending debate ever?
 
2012-10-24 04:16:14 PM

DeltaPunch: With each passing day, I'm becoming more and more convinced that a Romney presidency means war with Iran. Nevermind how far they are from actually creating a weapon -- Romney's campaign is filled to the eyeballs with all the usual suspects that lied and pushed and forced a war with Iraq down our throats, and they're looking for more blood in Iran. They're going to push the threat, claim they can get a weapon within weeks, and the time to attack is now.

It's their MO. They're all members of PNAC. It's what they do. They're all in Romney's campaign. They'll serve in his adminstration, unelected, just like the last administration. It's terrifying.


Don't forget we must invade Syria as well, so that we block Iran's route to the sea.
 
2012-10-24 04:17:17 PM

Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.
 
2012-10-24 04:19:30 PM

Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.


Addendum: I'm pretty sure we're agreeing here, in terms of stances. But I've met a bunch of people who think Obama sucks because we're bombing Pakistan, or because of some economic position, while completely ignoring that they agree with him on civil rights issues.
 
2012-10-24 04:22:14 PM
b-but HURR DURR Romney's going to create 12 billion jobs that's why we should vote for him he can just surround himself with foreign policy advisers A- HYUK HYUK HYUK HYUK
 
2012-10-24 04:22:26 PM

Dafatone: Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.

Addendum: I'm pretty sure we're agreeing here, in terms of stances. But I've met a bunch of people who think Obama sucks because we're bombing Pakistan, or because of some economic position, while completely ignoring that they agree with him on civil rights issues.


He's having a bunch of people murdered, but its OK because gay people are allowed to help with the murders now?
 
2012-10-24 04:22:29 PM

Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.


Yes, people basing their vote on the fact that they're pissed that gays get to see their partners in the hospital and join the military or that women are still allowed to get abortions is retarded compared to the President having the power to destroy hundreds of thousands of lives with one executive order.
 
2012-10-24 04:29:00 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


Lionel Mandrake: So we're against the ICC until we're for it. OK!


Grand_Moff_Joseph: You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?


Even better: John Bolton is one of Mitt's foreign policy advisers.
 
2012-10-24 04:33:48 PM

Arkanaut: vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?

Lionel Mandrake: So we're against the ICC until we're for it. OK!

Grand_Moff_Joseph: You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?

Even better: John Bolton is one of Mitt's foreign policy advisers.



Lemme ftfy.
 
2012-10-24 04:34:44 PM

Arkanaut: John Bolton is one of Mitt's foreign policy advisers.


Vote Republican 2012: Fool Me Twice.
 
2012-10-24 04:35:05 PM

kbronsito: Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people


Under Iran's government, the President is not in command of the nation's armed forces.
 
2012-10-24 04:38:41 PM
Just send Mitt over to arrest him personally. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-10-24 04:41:02 PM

jcooli09: mney probably has no idea what this would entail, and little clue what would happen if he did it. If he is elected and fails to get this done, it won't be a lie it will be a failure much like Obamas failure to close Gitmo.

If he does know what it entails and still says he'll do it, it's a lie.


What is even becoming more terrifying is the general ineptitude of the people surrounding Romney with regards to military knowledge and overall understanding of the world. Heck, the Syria "path to the sea" comment (or whatever it was), was an odd comment and deserving of a meme. However, in context of Romney's hard-on to start blowing up stuff, it is of a true concern. This is a man who is completely out of his element in the area of military operations yet has such a myopic view of the world he apparently does not even feel it important to consult a map before spewing threats.

He didn't even know enough to keep his mouth shut after meeting with MI5 in the UK this summer. How he can voice an intention like this before the election is childish, short-sighted and downright dangerous. But given his penchant for babbling military promises (as evidenced in his Israel trip where so blithely decides that service members are basically resources he can throw around on whim) this particular Ahmadinejad Plan is par for the course.

So in a Romney world, while other people's children are being sent off to do Mitts bidding and fulfill the election contracts he entered in to so he could get elected, the Romney clan will be safe at home on their jet-skis and motoring between their lavish homes. If challenged he will be happy to label you anti-American and remind you the world is a dangerous place and that he knows that the rest of the world is clamoring for the US to lead them to the light. And this justifies blowing up everything he does not agree with.

Oh and how do we get the human capital for our military? Why by dangling the citizenship carrot in front of immigrants. It's so simple: enlist and if you stay alive, we might let you in. If you die, well, heh heh, at least you gave it the old, GED Degree Class try. And thanks for the taxes you paid before you bit the dust in a far off land. Rafalca appreciates it.

Romney: I'd make the sole path to citizenship military service (rawstory.com | June 21, 2012)
 
2012-10-24 04:43:21 PM

Bf+: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


this.

In the final debate... on foreign policy... He showed he didn't even know the location of the countries involved while at the same time reversing his Afghanistan exit strategy stance 180 degrees from what he held only two weeks ago. (Not to mention promising to ramp up battleship production.)

How is this not the worst presidential-race-ending debate ever?


Soshulism, and the President is near.
 
2012-10-24 04:43:24 PM
It's okay Mitt you have Boca sewn up. You can stop slobbing Bibi's knob now.
 
2012-10-24 04:43:36 PM
Actually, it may not be as complicated as TFA makes it out to be. I don't see them going the UN Security Council route. Any member state can bring a case to the ICC. Sure, the US isn't a member, but Canada is. Mittens would just get Harper to do it.

/to be clear, I do not approve of this plan
 
2012-10-24 04:44:10 PM
A smash-and-grab SEAL mission might work, but they should get some practice in with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld first.
 
2012-10-24 04:45:03 PM

Dafatone: Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.

Addendum: I'm pretty sure we're agreeing here, in terms of stances. But I've met a bunch of people who think Obama sucks because we're bombing Pakistan, or because of some economic position, while completely ignoring that they agree with him on civil rights issues.


Obama does suck on account of Pakistan and economics; it's just that Romney is far far worse.
 
2012-10-24 04:45:40 PM

Bf+: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


this.

In the final debate... on foreign policy... He showed he didn't even know the location of the countries involved while at the same time reversing his Afghanistan exit strategy stance 180 degrees from what he held only two weeks ago. (Not to mention promising to ramp up battleship production.)

How is this not the worst presidential-race-ending debate ever?


Ah hem, Well, Romney just *looked* so presidential, and Obama was rude.
 
2012-10-24 04:49:29 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


Yeah, I'm a little foggy on this, too. I thought the UN and ICC were just part of some conspiracy to make us slaves to the rest of the world? We already refused to acknowledge the authority of the ICC when Bush was in office, with the Seekrit Mooslim Kenyan Socialist in office, don't "Red Blooded Americans" distrusted the ICC even more?

Oh wait, NOW I get it. This is another one of those 'We respect 'X' when it is politically expedient, the rest of the time you can't trust 'em as far as you can throw the whole group at once.' things.

I guess in some ways, the Right is consistent as Hell...
 
2012-10-24 04:53:49 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


Yes but he is having trouble finding them on a map.
 
2012-10-24 04:54:29 PM
And the Iranians could indict Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld and then we could work out a trade, our war criminals for theirs.
 
2012-10-24 04:57:24 PM
Yeah. I'll back arresting and trying Ahmadinejad for genocide for sabre-rattling against Israel when the teabaggers are rounded up wholesale, sent to Guano, CIA black sites, and extraordinarily rendered for high treason, assassination of a president, and in some cases ethnic cleansing.

If words equal actions, then let's see consistency.
 
2012-10-24 04:58:13 PM
Step One: Fashion giant slingshot from the elastic from two-dozen pairs of magic underwear.

Step Two: Come within 300 miles of a Muslim. Wait for him to fulfill his daily prayer towards Mecca, indicating the direction of everything totally bad forever. Point giant slingshot in that direction.

Step Three: (Crucial!) Outsource American jobs.

Step Four: Hire illegal immigrants to pull the strap back and hold it, scold them for not being born American.

Step Five: Denounce Step One.

Step Six: Have the illegals self-deport and ride the strap on an arc directly into the middle east.

Step Seven: Apologize to the Qatari family whose home you just crushed on landing, promise them to end the horrible hold of Muslimisicism infecting them.

Step Eight: Locate Iran, update campaign aides that there are actually different countries in the middle east and it's not just a desert full of dark skinned cliches

Step Nine: Hire limo to drive to Iran.

Step Ten: Stand at border, shout meek warnings, demand the arrest of ...umm...who? Ah, just say Mohammed. They;re all Mohammed.

Step Eleven: Discover that the authoritarian theocracy is exactly what you were looking for, stay.
 
2012-10-24 05:04:15 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Dafatone: Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.

Addendum: I'm pretty sure we're agreeing here, in terms of stances. But I've met a bunch of people who think Obama sucks because we're bombing Pakistan, or because of some economic position, while completely ignoring that they agree with him on civil rights issues.

He's having a bunch of people murdered, but its OK because gay people are allowed to help with the murders now?


Roughly, yes?

There isn't a major (D or R) candidate out there who wasn't going to commit semi-atrocities in Pakistan.

People are way too comfortable putting a value on something like gay rights and then saying they're not that big a deal.
 
2012-10-24 05:05:38 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?


That would be the one.
 
2012-10-24 05:08:32 PM
Okay, I know the reporters are running out of new things to talk about, but must they keep writing about the least likely scenarios even vaguely mentioned in the election? This is less probable than an "OMG ELECTORAL VOTE TIE" happening.
 
2012-10-24 05:10:27 PM

Dafatone: Roughly, yes?

There isn't a major (D or R) candidate out there who wasn't going to commit semi-atrocities in Pakistan.

People are way too comfortable putting a value on something like gay rights and then saying they're not that big a deal.


Sorry but the fact that Romney is in Sheldon Adelson's pocket and will probably invade most of the Mideast is more important than his stance on gay right. Not that it matters anyway because he's on the wrong side of both issues but priorities are important.
 
2012-10-24 05:16:03 PM

Katolu: Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.

They have a very capable military. Why we feel the need to coddle them is beyond me. Sure, back them up, but fight their wars THEY want to start?


Because of Jesus.

Seriously.

The big reason that supporting Israel is so popular, no matter what, is that to many/most Evangelical Christians, they see the modern State of Israel as being the same Israel prophesied in Revelations.

According to Revelations, Israel will always be victorious, and is the Good Guy, and whoever stands against them is opposing Jesus and God.

So, no matter what Israel says or does, they believe it's right because the Bible says so. They are a large voting bloc with significant power in the Republican party.

Combine that with political power of wealthy Jewish political donors and guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side, and the US won't directly oppose Israel, and will normally go out of its way to support them.
 
2012-10-24 05:22:01 PM

Mugato: Dafatone: Roughly, yes?

There isn't a major (D or R) candidate out there who wasn't going to commit semi-atrocities in Pakistan.

People are way too comfortable putting a value on something like gay rights and then saying they're not that big a deal.

Sorry but the fact that Romney is in Sheldon Adelson's pocket and will probably invade most of the Mideast is more important than his stance on gay right. Not that it matters anyway because he's on the wrong side of both issues but priorities are important.


I mean, it doesn't matter much to me in the case of Romney because he's wrong about everything, so I don't really care which wrong is worse.

I'm thinking of someone I met recently, who is liberal, and said he wasn't voting for Obama because of our actions in Pakistan, and that Obama hadn't done anything but the ACA, which he didn't like anyway. So I mentioned that he ended don't ask don't tell, and the guy just sort of went, "...true."

But that hadn't crossed his mind as something that got done, because gay rights aren't a big deal or something.
 
2012-10-24 05:23:13 PM

Silverstaff: guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side,


Are you serious? When did the US have anything at all to do with the Holocaust?
 
2012-10-24 05:23:41 PM
Just had a vision while reading the comments. A deja vu type vision. That Romney will win and start shiat with Iran and that nukes will come into play. Scary.

Pah. Don't believe in visions.
 
2012-10-24 05:24:16 PM

Silverstaff: Combine that with political power of wealthy Jewish political donors and guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side, and the US won't directly oppose Israel, and will normally go out of its way to support them.


Not to mention the "any whiff of a statement that might in any way be construed as anti-Israel is now and forever antisemitism" herp-a-derp propaganda. As if there's any difference between Judaism, the Jewish people in Israel or in diaspora, Israel, Israeli citizens, the Israeli government, Israeli right-wing parties, Israeli party leadership, the Israeli government, Israeli right-wing extremists, or Jewish right-wing extremists.

Slack-jawed, dead-eyed yahoos who wouldn't know Likud from Lik-a-Stix if you put a gun to their head and a copy of The Jerusalem Post in their hands, calling people antisemitic. Especially when they themselves are typically the most antisemitic farkers in the US.
 
2012-10-24 05:25:35 PM

Epoch_Zero: Silverstaff: guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side,

Are you serious? When did the US have anything at all to do with the Holocaust?


Yes I'm serious. We didn't have anything to do with it, but it's a good all-purpose guilt card that gets quietly played sometimes. The idea that the Jews were being actively exterminated, set up a homeland so it would never happen again. . and now are surrounded by countries that would love to destroy it and wipe out the Jewish people.

So, it's not so much that the US had anything to do with it, just that it's subtly implied that our help is needed to keep it from happening again.
 
2012-10-24 05:28:00 PM
Israel is the party issuing threats.
 
2012-10-24 05:32:51 PM

homelessdude:

Oh and how do we get the human capital for our military? Why by dangling the citizenship carrot in front of immigrants. It's ...

 
2012-10-24 05:48:08 PM

Silverstaff: Epoch_Zero: Silverstaff: guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side,

Are you serious? When did the US have anything at all to do with the Holocaust?

Yes I'm serious. We didn't have anything to do with it, but it's a good all-purpose guilt card that gets quietly played sometimes. The idea that the Jews were being actively exterminated, set up a homeland so it would never happen again. . and now are surrounded by countries that would love to destroy it and wipe out the Jewish people.

So, it's not so much that the US had anything to do with it, just that it's subtly implied that our help is needed to keep it from happening again.


They were legitimately being wiped out. It was literally the end times for jews during the Nazi regime. Which is why you are laughed off the planet when you compare anything to the holocaust that isn't already the holocaust. In a few decades when the dust settles and the scale of the killing in Africa by the militant juntas and whatnot can be officially measured, I'm sure people will have another thing to compare horrible things to, whatever that event will be called.

I'm not sure how you would view it, but if I ever heard a jewish person yelling at someone that wasn't related to the nazis for how much his people suffered, and using it for sympathy, that person would just be ridiculed. I haven't seen a case of some jewish guy being passed up for something, and coming back with 'but the holocaust' and getting his way. Never. I'm not sure how one can see that happening unless they have a particular bias to see it that way. In which case, yeah....Same thing goes for black people and American slavery. Any mention of the history of the south and the treatment of black people by whites and it's suddenly a guilt trip, and not just a statement of the horrid reality we must live with.

/Is there a Semi-Godwin for the mention of the holocaust?
// Like a .4 Godwin?
 
2012-10-24 05:51:58 PM

Epoch_Zero: Which is why you are laughed off the planet when you compare anything to the holocaust that isn't already the holocaust.


The elimination of Central/Southern American empires after the arrival of Europeans?
 
2012-10-24 05:54:29 PM
Mitt Romney called for the indictment of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for "genocide incitation" at Monday's debate, a strategy his top adviser suggested might actually result in his arrest.

As Romney alluded to in the debate, the ICC does recognize "incitement" as a legitimate charge under the Genocide Convention. In the 1990s, Rwandan politician Jean-Paul Akayesu was arrested, tried, and convicted by the UN International Criminal Tribunal for "direct and public incitement to commit genocide" among other crimes.

Neither country seems too likely to approve of the idea and Romney has pledged to take a harder diplomatic line against both of them on the campaign trail.

But let's grant Romney's assumption and imagine that Russia and China side with the United States and that the ICC decides on making Ahmadinejad a test case for a broader definition of the law.

You seem to have a problem with an idea that Obama hhimself has floated. Not even a Romney idea as Bush also floated it at one time.

Which hurts worse- the stupid or the dizziness from the spin?
 
2012-10-24 05:54:31 PM

someonelse: I'll bet the plan involved horses and bayonets.


And a call from the 1980's to distract him.
 
2012-10-24 05:56:57 PM

Epoch_Zero: They were legitimately being wiped out.


Bad choice of word?
 
2012-10-24 06:09:25 PM
I have this mind's eye vision of the detectives from Dragnet putting the cuffs on Ahmadinejad.
 
2012-10-24 06:12:54 PM

Epoch_Zero: They were legitimately being wiped out. It was literally the end times for jews during the Nazi regime.


Except for the Jews that weren't in Nazi-controlled Europe. In the 1930's the Nazis officially encouraged Jews to leave Germany. Many took up that offer. Many came to the US or other places well out of Nazi reach.

Unless the Nazis completely conquered the world, they couldn't succeed in their plan.

Yes, millions were dying, but the complete eradication of all Jews on Earth was not even close to a realistic goal of the Holocaust.
 
2012-10-24 06:13:38 PM

Epoch_Zero: Silverstaff: guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side,

Are you serious? When did the US have anything at all to do with the Holocaust?


The Holocaust was just the worst example. In addition to discriminating against various shades of brown the US wasn't very nice to Jewish people either. Catholics were suspect as well. I think modern generations are a bit unclear on just how recently the US made even the pretense of non-discrimination.
 
2012-10-24 06:25:00 PM

Peppermint Rose: Epoch_Zero: Silverstaff: guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side,

Are you serious? When did the US have anything at all to do with the Holocaust?

The Holocaust was just the worst example. In addition to discriminating against various shades of brown the US wasn't very nice to Jewish people either. Catholics were suspect as well. I think modern generations are a bit unclear on just how recently the US made even the pretense of non-discrimination.


The catholics are still suspect. Just look at those funny hats their leaders wear!
 
2012-10-24 06:26:19 PM

Peppermint Rose: Epoch_Zero: Silverstaff: guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side,

Are you serious? When did the US have anything at all to do with the Holocaust?

The Holocaust was just the worst example. In addition to discriminating against various shades of brown the US wasn't very nice to Jewish people either. Catholics were suspect as well. I think modern generations are a bit unclear on just how recently the US made even the pretense of non-discrimination.


In 1939 the United States turned away 930 Jews who had set sail from Hamburg on the S.S. St. Louis. Link

The depression was on-going and there was serious opposition to allowing Jewish refugees to settle in the US in large numbers. One reason that so many fleeing for their lives ended up in the Middle East is because Palestine was British territory and it was an area to which they were allowed to go.
 
2012-10-24 06:29:47 PM
what pisses me off is when Americans get offended when you point out how shady our past is.

yea, we are a great country but we have done some less that great things, accept it, don't allow it to reoccur & most importantly, learn from it.

learn for your past America, you dipshiat!
 
2012-10-24 06:30:58 PM
Did it also require the suspension of the Laws of Physics?
 
2012-10-24 06:37:12 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Arkanaut: John Bolton is one of Mitt's foreign policy advisers.

Vote Republican 2012: Fool Me Twice.


Considering that they've been punking most folks since '80... much more than twice.
 
2012-10-24 06:38:51 PM

Coelacanth: I have this mind's eye vision of the detectives from Dragnet putting the cuffs on Ahmadinejad.


I have in my mind's eye Romney dressed in his old police uniform he used to ride around in harassing people slapping the cuffs on him.
 
2012-10-24 06:56:35 PM

Fart_Machine: Just send Mitt, his sons and grandchildren over to arrest him personally. What could possibly go wrong?


The world would be a much safer place to live in.
 
2012-10-24 07:31:13 PM

clowncar on fire: I herp two derps in the morning, I herp two derps at night. I herp two derps in the afternoon and it makes me feel alright.


Except for the part where as an inchoate crime, the speech has to be directly proven to have the potential to cause genocidal violence, and be intended as such. As the head of state of a regional power that has in its history possessed, and continues to posses, WMD, Ahmadinejad has the capacity to wage, or order, such violence; and moreover, as a regional power Iran can influence other states to engage in or aid in the execution of genocidal violence. If Ahmadinejad genuinely intended to wage a campaign of genocidal violence, or incite others to do it, it is certainly in his capacity as a head-of-state to have done it without merely engaging in speech.

Especially for the fact that, whatever political hay is made over Iran's capacity to build and use nuclear weapons, its capability to build and use biological, chemical, and radiological weapons is quite clear and unambiguous given its history of biological and chemical weapons usage in the Iran-Iraq War.

Case in point, the indictment of Akayesu itself. Genocide actually occurred, in which he was directly proven to have helped incite and intended as such. Additionally, the ICC ruled in that very case the speech in question must be a direct, explicit, call to action to qualify as genocide; thus far, none of Ahmadinejad's speech has found to be sufficiently direct nor intended to incite genocidal violence by the Court itself despite previous attempts by both Israel and the United States to charge him with the crime. Moreover, the charge was not employed in the case of Slobodan Milosevic, despite the qualifying conditions for the charge being present, making the precedent weak at best.

Not that any of it matters, as the US is not a member-state of the International Criminal Court, since George W. Bush withdraw American support from the institution in 2002. And, you must really ask yourself is this the hill you choose to die on, considering the only thing blocking Israel from being declared an Apartheid state by the very institutions you now claim to support is the United States?

So, shush.
 
2012-10-24 07:37:04 PM
dl.dropbox.com

You send some guys in classified helicopters to go pick him up.

/I thought that's how we did things now.
/Was it a trick question?
 
2012-10-24 07:37:16 PM
if mittens is elected, we will all be wearing temple undies...
bandaids on the nipples are NOT covered by your flex plan...
 
2012-10-24 07:41:22 PM
Why does Mitt Romney hate the 1st Amendment? Capital J The J is for Jews.
 
2012-10-24 07:51:40 PM
Jesus he's clueless
 
2012-10-24 08:14:30 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Jesus he's clueless


...and He's not alone.
Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.

The horrifying truth is that both candidates are clueless on a wide range of important subjects.
You might as well choose one based on their taste in beer.

/I guess its score one for Obama there.
 
2012-10-24 08:16:59 PM

bullsballs: if mittens is elected, we will all be wearing temple undies...
bandaids on the nipples are NOT covered by your flex plan...


I can't even wear an underwire bra, I am not about to wear one of those coverall garments, thanks.
 
2012-10-24 08:23:07 PM

way south: Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.


You people are still harping on the 57 states thing, are you farking serious? And you're equating that to what Romney said about Iran? Christ on a cracker, you can't be real.
 
2012-10-24 08:33:42 PM

Mugato: way south: Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.

You people are still harping on the 57 states thing, are you farking serious? And you're equating that to what Romney said about Iran? Christ on a cracker, you can't be real.


They don't have much else.
 
2012-10-24 08:35:40 PM

Mugato: way south: Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.

You people are still harping on the 57 states thing, are you farking serious? And you're equating that to what Romney said about Iran? Christ on a cracker, you can't be real.


More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?
 
2012-10-24 08:37:21 PM

way south: Waxing_Chewbacca: Jesus he's clueless

...and He's not alone.
Mr. "57 States"


I had heard about the 57 states thing for a couple of years and then I finally decided to listen to it. After listening to the recording I can safely say that people that mention it are either hard of hearing or just deficient human beings.
 
2012-10-24 08:39:48 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.


I agree. I cannot understand the US obsession with backing up Israel.

What has Israel ever done for the US? Are they a loyal ally that fights along side the US in times of war? Were they at Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan? I don't think they even assisted in either of the Iraq wars which they had an immediate interest in.

They do nothing but cause trouble and should not receive any support of aid from anyone until they are willing honor their original border commitments with the Palistinians.
 
2012-10-24 08:41:15 PM

way south: Mugato: way south: Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.

You people are still harping on the 57 states thing, are you farking serious? And you're equating that to what Romney said about Iran? Christ on a cracker, you can't be real.

More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?


You could at least come up with something a little newer.
 
2012-10-24 08:41:20 PM

way south: More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?


No but I expect you all to get some new material after all these years.

You can't actually think that Obama doesn't know how many states there are and that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. Romney not understanding basic geography or foreign affairs, that what he said wasn't a mis-speaking but a prepared statement that he believed? That's somewhat easier to believe. I think you know the difference.
 
2012-10-24 08:59:50 PM

way south: Waxing_Chewbacca: Jesus he's clueless

...and He's not alone.
Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.


So we're comparing Obama saying '57' once, when he obviously meant '47', and a staffer being lazy with GIS, to Romney repeatedly demonstrating a profound lack of knowledge about a country he intends to invade?

Republicans are just sad.
 
2012-10-24 09:00:58 PM

Bf+: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


this.

In the final debate... on foreign policy... He showed he didn't even know the location of the countries involved while at the same time reversing his Afghanistan exit strategy stance 180 degrees from what he held only two weeks ago. (Not to mention promising to ramp up battleship production.)

How is this not the worst presidential-race-ending debate ever?


Because these people are more reliable voters than just about any other group out there.
i.i.com.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-24 09:08:13 PM

Dr Dreidel: HST's Dead Carcass: Diogenes: No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.

Fartmoney has a hard-on for Israel, he really, really wants to ask the Prime Minister to Prom, but it's ok, it's just a bromance. When he's not talking up Israel at every point of his campaign, he's sending Benji candied Valentine hearts and chocolate samplers from Whitman's.

Which is a great way to ensure that Benny Hillanyahu doesn't make it through the next parliamentary elections. Israelis are increasingly not happy with Bibi's Iranian sabre-rattling and (with the exception of the Israeli Right) bristle at his support of Romney over Obama.


Do you have a citation on that?

No snark....that's something I'd love to have in my back pocket the next time my co-worker starts going off on an anti-Obama rant involving Israel.
 
2012-10-24 09:10:14 PM

way south: Waxing_Chewbacca: Jesus he's clueless

...and He's not alone.
Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.

The horrifying truth is that both candidates are clueless on a wide range of important subjects.
You might as well choose one based on their taste in beer.

/I guess its score one for Obama there.


I'm Pretty Sure that Obama didn't have much to do with picking out that slide that they used. Is that the best you have?
 
2012-10-24 09:25:46 PM
So, if talking about "erasing Israel" or other nonsense means arrest for inciting genocide, whatever shall we do with Teatards holding signs about "2nd amendment solutions"?
 
2012-10-24 09:27:42 PM

way south: mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention


Candidates are responsible for the slide show?

laist.com
 
2012-10-24 09:28:48 PM

Mugato: way south: More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?

No but I expect you all to get some new material after all these years.

You can't actually think that Obama doesn't know how many states there are and that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. Romney not understanding basic geography or foreign affairs, that what he said wasn't a mis-speaking but a prepared statement that he believed? That's somewhat easier to believe. I think you know the difference.


There is a long list of gaffes from both candidates so, no, I don't think Obama's mistakes are any less telling than Romney's.
A slip of the tongue or a poorly worded concept are very common things on the campaign trail.
I do think its funny that when Obama throws a stone from the porch of his glass house the white knights come to his rescue.

/Because defending a politician will never end in disappointment...
 
2012-10-24 09:32:41 PM

way south: There is a long list of gaffes from both candidates


Yes, candidates make gaffes. This isn't a gaffe. Romney is just displaying his ignorance.

way south: the white knights come to his rescue.


Is that why you're White Knighting Romney?
 
2012-10-24 09:56:30 PM

way south: Mugato: way south: More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?

No but I expect you all to get some new material after all these years.

You can't actually think that Obama doesn't know how many states there are and that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. Romney not understanding basic geography or foreign affairs, that what he said wasn't a mis-speaking but a prepared statement that he believed? That's somewhat easier to believe. I think you know the difference.

There is a long list of gaffes from both candidates so, no, I don't think Obama's mistakes are any less telling than Romney's.
A slip of the tongue or a poorly worded concept are very common things on the campaign trail.
I do think its funny that when Obama throws a stone from the porch of his glass house the white knights come to his rescue.

/Because defending a politician will never end in disappointment...


You're apparently just never going to get it so nevermind.
 
2012-10-24 09:58:37 PM

way south: Mugato: way south: More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?

No but I expect you all to get some new material after all these years.

You can't actually think that Obama doesn't know how many states there are and that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. Romney not understanding basic geography or foreign affairs, that what he said wasn't a mis-speaking but a prepared statement that he believed? That's somewhat easier to believe. I think you know the difference.

There is a long list of gaffes from both candidates so, no, I don't think Obama's mistakes are any less telling than Romney's.
A slip of the tongue or a poorly worded concept are very common things on the campaign trail.
I do think its funny that when Obama throws a stone from the porch of his glass house the white knights come to his rescue.

/Because defending a politician will never end in disappointment...


But you still haven't come up with any new "gaffes" of Obama's. Give us some, and then we'll talk.

Till then, you just can't compare a misstatement Obama made in 2008 about "57 states" with Romney's not knowing where Iran is in 2012. I'm sorry, they're just not the same caliber of error.
 
2012-10-24 09:59:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: way south: Mugato: way south: More Americans know how many states there are than can find Iran or Syria on a map.
Just saying...

/You expect your favorite politician to get a pass on his gaffs for some reason?

No but I expect you all to get some new material after all these years.

You can't actually think that Obama doesn't know how many states there are and that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. Romney not understanding basic geography or foreign affairs, that what he said wasn't a mis-speaking but a prepared statement that he believed? That's somewhat easier to believe. I think you know the difference.

There is a long list of gaffes from both candidates so, no, I don't think Obama's mistakes are any less telling than Romney's.
A slip of the tongue or a poorly worded concept are very common things on the campaign trail.
I do think its funny that when Obama throws a stone from the porch of his glass house the white knights come to his rescue.

/Because defending a politician will never end in disappointment...

But you still haven't come up with any new "gaffes" of Obama's. Give us some, and then we'll talk.

Till then, you just can't compare a misstatement Obama made in 2008 about "57 states" with Romney's not knowing where Iran is in 2012. I'm sorry, they're just not the same caliber of error.


Also, the 57 states thing was said once. Romney has repeatedly restated the 'Syria is Iran's path to the sea" bullshiat.
 
2012-10-24 10:45:08 PM
Arrest him for what? Being an obnoxious loud-mouthed asshole? Half the Republicans would be in prison right now if that were actionable.
 
2012-10-24 10:48:48 PM

The Onion is prophetic: Epoch_Zero: They were legitimately being wiped out.

Bad choice of word?


Well we know it obviously wasn't legitimate - after all, populations have ways of shutting the whole thing down if they're being legitimately wiped out.
 
2012-10-24 11:32:42 PM

Mugato: way south: Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.

You people are still harping on the 57 states thing, are you farking serious? And you're equating that to what Romney said about Iran? Christ on a cracker, you can't be real.


Also, he doesn't know what the word "expound" means.
 
2012-10-25 01:32:25 AM
To Wile E.'s credit, he is a Super Genius.
 
2012-10-25 06:22:29 AM

Moopy Mac: way south: Waxing_Chewbacca: Jesus he's clueless

...and He's not alone.
Mr. "57 States"


I had heard about the 57 states thing for a couple of years and then I finally decided to listen to it. After listening to the recording I can safely say that people that mention it are either hard of hearing or just deficient human beings.


I think that there's this weird idea among conservatives that "fair and balanced" means that for everything Obama does right, there has to be an equal and opposite thing he does wrong.

This results in a really weird idea of what constitutes an opposition party. The first thing they did was declare all positions held by Obama as socialistic sacrilege - even the ones they'd held previously. "We must be the opposite of Obama," they're thinking. "Obama is for the Republican healthcare mandate, therefore we must be against it!"

That's why you see them pumping up the "57 states" thing so hard. They have to make that gaffe equal to every stupid thing that every Republican across the entire country is saying - and there are a lot of stupid things. That's why you're still hearing about that "Navy Corpse-man," too.

Poor Fox News is having a hell of a time of it. Due to the perception that the rest of the media is in the tank for Obama, they've felt they've had no choice but to provide a relentless drumbeat of acidic criticism. That's why you keep hearing stuff like that paperclip thing and the "terrorist fist bump." Every turn of the head, every raised eyebrow HAS to mean that Obama is a terrorist Muslim sympathizer socialist who's incompetent at his job and relentless in his ambitions. Because that's the "opposite." They're struggling to provide "balance."

The fact that there are actual criticisms that can be levied against the President, and the fact that the President has had more gaffes than just "57 states," doesn't seem to cross their minds. All they know is that they HAVE to be in opposition. Doesn't matter how, as long as whatever the President does, they're the opposite. Because that's what they think "opposition" means.
 
2012-10-25 06:45:10 AM

Silverstaff: Katolu: Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.

They have a very capable military. Why we feel the need to coddle them is beyond me. Sure, back them up, but fight their wars THEY want to start?

Because of Jesus.

Seriously.

The big reason that supporting Israel is so popular, no matter what, is that to many/most Evangelical Christians, they see the modern State of Israel as being the same Israel prophesied in Revelations.

According to Revelations, Israel will always be victorious, and is the Good Guy, and whoever stands against them is opposing Jesus and God.

So, no matter what Israel says or does, they believe it's right because the Bible says so. They are a large voting bloc with significant power in the Republican party.

Combine that with political power of wealthy Jewish political donors and guilt over the holocaust putting pressure for the US on the Democrat side, and the US won't directly oppose Israel, and will normally go out of its way to support them.


See, I still don't get this. The frackin' BIBLE says the U.S. has to turn against Israel before the second coming.

Zechariah 14:2 - For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle

ALL nations, not just "some" or "those Muslim nations"... ALL nations. Similar statements can be found in Joel 3:1-2, Revelations 16:13-16, and others.

So, Christian Republicans... Why are you going against your God's will? You've been harping on about the end times for centuries now, but you continue to delay the prophesied Apocalypse by refusing to turn against Israel. shiat or get off the pot, I say...

/yes, this was mostly snark
 
2012-10-25 07:10:10 AM

way south: Mr. "57 States" mixed up his Russian and US ships during the Democratic convention, and then tried to expound on Romney's lack of geographical and Naval knowledge during the last debate.


Because Obama personally picks the slides for his presentation?

I've heard a lot of weak false equivalency arguments around here in my time but that one is something special.

Mitt's "I'm gonna arrest Ahaminajihad" whargaarbl wasn't a simple side show goof up it is clear proof that the guy A) has no credibility of foreign policy issues B) Is in Bibi's back pocket and C) Has no clue how the real world works in which case he's an idiot or alternately is just saying whatever the fook he thinks people want to hear in order to get votes in which case he's shameless, power hungry overly-entitled asshat who should never be let near the office of the presidency.

But that's just my opinion, man.
 
2012-10-25 08:29:03 AM
In a secret recording of a secret meeting, Mitt Romney said that his "job is not to worry about those people", referring to 47% of the US voting population - the "useless eaters".

Which means he HATES this 47% and wants them AND their children to STARVE_TO_DEATH.

Mitt Romney wants to MURDER 47% of the people living in the US - that's over 147 million people.

Mitt Romney wants to MURDER over 10 times as many people as Hitler did.

You heard it, you read it, you KNOW he said it!

If that isn't incitement to genocide, I don't know what is.

ARREST MITT ROMNEY NOW!!!
 
2012-10-25 09:37:16 AM

Amos Quito: In a secret recording of a secret meeting, Mitt Romney said that his "job is not to worry about those people", referring to 47% of the US voting population - the "useless eaters".

Which means he HATES this 47% and wants them AND their children to STARVE_TO_DEATH.

Mitt Romney wants to MURDER 47% of the people living in the US - that's over 147 million people.

Mitt Romney wants to MURDER over 10 times as many people as Hitler did.

You heard it, you read it, you KNOW he said it!

If that isn't incitement to genocide, I don't know what is.

ARREST MITT ROMNEY NOW!!!


You spent time typing that that you could have spent masturbating.
 
2012-10-25 10:18:10 AM

Jgok: So, Christian Republicans... Why are you going against your God's will? You've been harping on about the end times for centuries now, but you continue to delay the prophesied Apocalypse by refusing to turn against Israel. shiat or get off the pot, I say...

/yes, this was mostly snark


I actually made that argument once. The people I asked doubled down on the Derp.

The way it was explained to me was that since the US is a Christian StateTM it is part of Israel/Jerusalem for those purposes, and it will be a part as long as it stays a Christian State.

Those libby libs trying to force Jesus out of the Constitution and ban the Bible are trying to destroy America by removing God's Protection by separating it politically and religiously from Israel.

In other words, they were saying that Separation of Church and State will destroy America because of biblical prophecy. . .and that's why liberals are satanic.

/Wish I was joking
//Some people scare me with the toxic levels of derp they emit.
 
2012-10-25 10:23:18 AM

thurstonxhowell: Amos Quito: In a secret recording of a secret meeting, Mitt Romney said that his "job is not to worry about those people", referring to 47% of the US voting population - the "useless eaters".

Which means he HATES this 47% and wants them AND their children to STARVE_TO_DEATH.

Mitt Romney wants to MURDER 47% of the people living in the US - that's over 147 million people.

Mitt Romney wants to MURDER over 10 times as many people as Hitler did.

You heard it, you read it, you KNOW he said it!

If that isn't incitement to genocide, I don't know what is.

ARREST MITT ROMNEY NOW!!!

You spent time typing that that you could have spent masturbating.



Yes, and my charging Romney with "inciting genocide" is every bit as valid as charging Dinnerjacket.

Izzy lies.
 
2012-10-25 11:18:07 AM

Silverstaff: Jgok: So, Christian Republicans... Why are you going against your God's will? You've been harping on about the end times for centuries now, but you continue to delay the prophesied Apocalypse by refusing to turn against Israel. shiat or get off the pot, I say...

/yes, this was mostly snark

I actually made that argument once. The people I asked doubled down on the Derp.

The way it was explained to me was that since the US is a Christian StateTM it is part of Israel/Jerusalem for those purposes, and it will be a part as long as it stays a Christian State.

Those libby libs trying to force Jesus out of the Constitution and ban the Bible are trying to destroy America by removing God's Protection by separating it politically and religiously from Israel.

In other words, they were saying that Separation of Church and State will destroy America because of biblical prophecy. . .and that's why liberals are satanic.

/Wish I was joking
//Some people scare me with the toxic levels of derp they emit.


Oh, for flying fark's sake! That's what they really believe? That's incredibly scary.

I'm a Christian myself, and I find that working at the "love your neighbor' bit is pretty much a full-time job. It's not always easy. I personally don't see how other Christians have time to worry about stuff like you mentioned, or GLBT marriage, or the rest of it that they keep going on about.

/The obvious asnwer is that they aren't really Christians, but saying that would be judging them, which is something we're not supposed to do.
 
2012-10-25 11:40:22 AM

kg2095: Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.

I agree. I cannot understand the US obsession with backing up Israel.

What has Israel ever done for the US? Are they a loyal ally that fights along side the US in times of war? Were they at Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan? I don't think they even assisted in either of the Iraq wars which they had an immediate interest in.

They do nothing but cause trouble and should not receive any support of aid from anyone until they are willing honor their original border commitments with the Palistinians.


Israel has a full time job just defending itself. It's surrounded by countries that, historically if not currently, want it not to exist. So Israel's not very likely to get involved in foreign wars/conflicts like the ones you've mentioned. Besides, it's really a tiny country with a relatively small population.

And I don't believe that Israel's taking part in any coalition force in its own region would be a Good Thing. Can you imagine the reaction if the US and Israel joined military forces and invaded a Moslem country? Double-plus ungood!

I'm pretty sure that Israel is helping us, behind the scenes in the intelligence department. It wouldn't surprise me if Al Qieda (or however it's spelled) has a Mossad asset or two in its upper ranks. The intel on where individual terrorist leader-types are at a given moment is coming from somewhere.

Israel's helped us in the past, by not getting involved in fighting when we asked them not to: remember the SCUD missiles during Bush the Elder's Iraq war?

Having said all this, I agree that we're probably unwise in automatically approving absolutely everything that Israel does, and that Palestinians have as much right to their own homeland as Israelis. But I don't agree that Israel's never done anything for the US. (Though whether they've done enough to justify the amount of support they get from us is another matter.)
 
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