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(Talking Points Memo)   So, just how would Mitt Romney have arrested Ahmadinejad? Here's a look at his plan, which requires a wily coyote, some ACME products, and a suspension of disbelief   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 130
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2012-10-24 01:10:38 PM
Oh brother.
 
2012-10-24 01:11:01 PM
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Black Hawk Down
 
2012-10-24 01:13:35 PM
So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?
 
2012-10-24 01:14:03 PM
So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"
 
2012-10-24 01:46:16 PM
First, they would need to make sure Russia and China missed the Security Council meeting. The US could schedule the meeting at Buffalo Wild Wings, but tell Russia and China the wrong one. That would take care of that.
Then to capture him, they could send him an official looking letter, telling him he won a brand new car but he had to pick it up at The Hague.
 
2012-10-24 01:47:56 PM
Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.
 
2012-10-24 02:01:25 PM
Mitt Romney. Pro arresting Ahmadenijad. Anti killing bin Laden.
 
2012-10-24 02:08:57 PM

Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"


Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.
 
2012-10-24 02:13:56 PM
So we're against the ICC until we're for it. OK!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-24 02:14:04 PM
So would he support arresting other government officials who incited unnecessary wars with mass casualties.
 
2012-10-24 02:19:40 PM

kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.


No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.
 
2012-10-24 02:25:50 PM

Aarontology: Anti killing bin Laden.


He's not anti killing bin Laden, he's anti killing bin Laden during Obama's term.
 
2012-10-24 02:33:01 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


This week, yes.
 
2012-10-24 02:33:09 PM

Jackson Herring: Aarontology: Anti killing bin Laden.

He's not anti killing bin Laden, he's anti killing bin Laden during Obama's term.


Damn, I always miss the nuance.
 
2012-10-24 02:42:32 PM
You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?
 
2012-10-24 02:44:59 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


Yeah, that's what I got out of that statement too.

ROMNEY'S ONE STEP AWAY FROM THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION!
 
2012-10-24 02:48:39 PM
If anyone believes that Ackmadinnerjacket is anything more that a titular ruler of Iran is really kidding themselves.

/and I am including Rmoney in that statement
 
2012-10-24 02:57:59 PM
It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"
 
2012-10-24 03:02:58 PM

Aarontology: Mitt Romney. Pro arresting Ahmadenijad. Anti killing bin Laden.


This is very true and very telling about his character as a leader. Didn't the Right lambast Clinton for being soft in places like Mogadishu and Serbia? And, now Fartmoney is taking the same kind of stance on foreign affairs? He's sprinting away from his base again to get back to what he thinks is the middle.

vpb: So would he support arresting other government officials who incited unnecessary wars with mass casualties.


OTHER countries. Not ours. There's no way any standing president would turn over ANY American citizen to the Iraqi or Afghani leaders for our wars there. The rules only apply to the other guys, not our country.

Diogenes: No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.


Fartmoney has a hard-on for Israel, he really, really wants to ask the Prime Minister to Prom, but it's ok, it's just a bromance. When he's not talking up Israel at every point of his campaign, he's sending Benji candied Valentine hearts and chocolate samplers from Whitman's.
 
2012-10-24 03:07:10 PM
I was assured that the International Criminal Court was a BAD thing.
 
2012-10-24 03:33:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I was assured that the International Criminal Court was a BAD thing.


The USA isn't even a member of it.

/If we were a member, it might cause problems, such as George W. Bush and Barack Obama being indicted for war crimes.
 
2012-10-24 03:34:09 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.


I'm all for supporting Israel. But letting them dictate the terms when we have all the power is asinine.
 
2012-10-24 03:38:42 PM

ricewater_stool: I'm all for supporting Israel. But letting them dictate the terms when we have all the power is asinine.


No, it's called being bought and paid for by Sheldon Adelson.
 
2012-10-24 03:48:52 PM
I assume as an act of war and violation of international law.

Two things Republicans really don't think about or care about when it comes to foreign policy.
 
2012-10-24 03:53:33 PM
"I'd make sure that Ahmadinejad is indicted under the Genocide Convention. His words amount to genocide incitation," Romney said.

The U.S. doesn't recognize the ICC. Good luck with that.
 
2012-10-24 03:53:52 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Diogenes: No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.

Fartmoney has a hard-on for Israel, he really, really wants to ask the Prime Minister to Prom, but it's ok, it's just a bromance. When he's not talking up Israel at every point of his campaign, he's sending Benji candied Valentine hearts and chocolate samplers from Whitman's.


Which is a great way to ensure that Benny Hillanyahu doesn't make it through the next parliamentary elections. Israelis are increasingly not happy with Bibi's Iranian sabre-rattling and (with the exception of the Israeli Right) bristle at his support of Romney over Obama.
 
2012-10-24 03:55:52 PM

kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.


You do realize Dinner Jacket's position is mostly ceremonial, right? When the military cracks down, he doesn't have anything to do with it.
 
2012-10-24 03:56:10 PM

Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


I think it's a bit discouraging that the foreign policy debate was the least viewed, as predicted. Foreign policy is one of the few areas in which a president has genuinely broad personal authority.
 
2012-10-24 04:05:30 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Israel. Let them fight their own wars.


They have a very capable military. Why we feel the need to coddle them is beyond me. Sure, back them up, but fight their wars THEY want to start?
 
2012-10-24 04:06:07 PM

kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.


Crimes against humanity? You're overstating things dude. Some Iranian teabaggers got super butthurt over losing an election and the cops rattled their teeth. Sure, that kinda blows for Iranians and if they wanna do something about it, great, but why should anyone else care?
 
2012-10-24 04:06:11 PM
Romney probably has no idea what this would entail, and little clue what would happen if he did it. If he is elected and fails to get this done, it won't be a lie it will be a failure much like Obamas failure to close Gitmo.

If he does know what it entails and still says he'll do it, it's a lie.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I was assured that the International Criminal Court was a BAD thing.


I was also assured that criminalizing "hate speech" was a liberal plot that would lead down the slippery slope to "thought police."
 
2012-10-24 04:08:24 PM

DamnYankees: vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?

This week, yes.


Give him some credit. He's very flexible.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:37 PM
I can't keep track of all these damned Romneys. Can someone get a chart to go with name tags so a layman such as myself can tell them apart? Where the hell is Tagg when you need him.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:49 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.

You do realize Dinner Jacket's position is mostly ceremonial, right? When the military cracks down, he doesn't have anything to do with it.


Of course he doesn't. I'm sure that every night, he just cries himself to sleep over the killing of peaceful protesters that happened over his watch. He may answer to the guys above him... but that doesn't mean he isn't a co-conspirator in the crimes against humanity perpetrated by his government.
 
2012-10-24 04:08:54 PM

Diogenes: kbronsito: Diogenes: So going after Gaddafi would be "mission creep." And Assad just needs to be removed from office. But Ahmadinejad says stupid and mean things about Israel? "Genocide!"

Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes against humanity against his own people. His nation's military has cracked down against peaceful protests and killed a bunch of people (and there's probably more that are just taken quietly in the middle of the night). But yeah... he should be indicted because he said mean things about Israel. Because the hurt feelings of an israeli are worth x1000 the lives of a muslim.

No question. But Romney is going after him for "incitement" and not the real deal. Cause he picked on Israel.


Also interestingly, if cracking down on protestors is a reason to invade a state, would the same people have supported Russia or China invading the US during the 60s due to the crack downs on protestors then (Kent state and all that)? 

Realistically the amount of level of crimes the government of Iran has committed against its people cannot be enough to justify invasion or even assassination and/or abduction of the head of state, because that would degenerate into chaos and world wars - the amount of crimes have to be far higher for the cost/benefit of a foreign nation intervening (especially one that is already considered hostile by the majority of the population) to have even a chance of being positive. Some things have to be left to the local population to try to address.
 
2012-10-24 04:11:45 PM
The knuckle dragging teatards don't give a flying fark what Romney actually says or DOES.
 
2012-10-24 04:12:24 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: If anyone believes that Ackmadinnerjacket is anything more that a titular ruler of Iran is really kidding themselves.

/and I am including Rmoney in that statement


This. His job is to be a distraction. He does his job very well.
 
2012-10-24 04:13:32 PM
I'll bet the plan involved horses and bayonets.
 
2012-10-24 04:14:37 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: If anyone believes that Ackmadinnerjacket is anything more that a titular ruler of Iran is really kidding themselves.

/and I am including Rmoney in that statement


Shhhh! We need a boogeyman or our economy collapses. Or something.

I always wanted to test a Republican with the question, "Who's in charge of Iran?" Anyone who DOESN'T say "The Supreme Council, led by Supreme Leader Ali Khameini" doesn't get my vote. Ahmadinajad's role as "president" is analogous to the American Secretary of State. He doesn't wield power, but he's elected (or "elected") and they call him "President," so that's good enough for Republicans. He also says stupid, inflammatory shiat to keep his job and make his bosses happy, so maybe Republicans just don't like the competition...
 
2012-10-24 04:15:04 PM
With each passing day, I'm becoming more and more convinced that a Romney presidency means war with Iran. Nevermind how far they are from actually creating a weapon -- Romney's campaign is filled to the eyeballs with all the usual suspects that lied and pushed and forced a war with Iraq down our throats, and they're looking for more blood in Iran. They're going to push the threat, claim they can get a weapon within weeks, and the time to attack is now.

It's their MO. They're all members of PNAC. It's what they do. They're all in Romney's campaign. They'll serve in his adminstration, unelected, just like the last administration. It's terrifying.
 
Bf+
2012-10-24 04:15:46 PM

Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"



this.

In the final debate... on foreign policy... He showed he didn't even know the location of the countries involved while at the same time reversing his Afghanistan exit strategy stance 180 degrees from what he held only two weeks ago. (Not to mention promising to ramp up battleship production.)

How is this not the worst presidential-race-ending debate ever?
 
2012-10-24 04:16:14 PM

DeltaPunch: With each passing day, I'm becoming more and more convinced that a Romney presidency means war with Iran. Nevermind how far they are from actually creating a weapon -- Romney's campaign is filled to the eyeballs with all the usual suspects that lied and pushed and forced a war with Iraq down our throats, and they're looking for more blood in Iran. They're going to push the threat, claim they can get a weapon within weeks, and the time to attack is now.

It's their MO. They're all members of PNAC. It's what they do. They're all in Romney's campaign. They'll serve in his adminstration, unelected, just like the last administration. It's terrifying.


Don't forget we must invade Syria as well, so that we block Iran's route to the sea.
 
2012-10-24 04:17:17 PM

Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"


I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.
 
2012-10-24 04:19:30 PM

Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.


Addendum: I'm pretty sure we're agreeing here, in terms of stances. But I've met a bunch of people who think Obama sucks because we're bombing Pakistan, or because of some economic position, while completely ignoring that they agree with him on civil rights issues.
 
2012-10-24 04:22:14 PM
b-but HURR DURR Romney's going to create 12 billion jobs that's why we should vote for him he can just surround himself with foreign policy advisers A- HYUK HYUK HYUK HYUK
 
2012-10-24 04:22:26 PM

Dafatone: Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.

Addendum: I'm pretty sure we're agreeing here, in terms of stances. But I've met a bunch of people who think Obama sucks because we're bombing Pakistan, or because of some economic position, while completely ignoring that they agree with him on civil rights issues.


He's having a bunch of people murdered, but its OK because gay people are allowed to help with the murders now?
 
2012-10-24 04:22:29 PM

Dafatone: Mugato: It's scary how much people care about bullshiat social issues when Romney sucks so much on foreign policy, the issue that could actually get us all irradiated.

"Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map but gays are allowed to see their partners in the hospital! WTF is up with that?"

I'd like to think that America's more than just a bunch of soldiers and diplomats keeping us from getting bombed. That's to say, rights matter.

/Sick and tired of people talking about how social issues aren't a "big deal" because they don't affect them.


Yes, people basing their vote on the fact that they're pissed that gays get to see their partners in the hospital and join the military or that women are still allowed to get abortions is retarded compared to the President having the power to destroy hundreds of thousands of lives with one executive order.
 
2012-10-24 04:29:00 PM

vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?


Lionel Mandrake: So we're against the ICC until we're for it. OK!


Grand_Moff_Joseph: You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?


Even better: John Bolton is one of Mitt's foreign policy advisers.
 
2012-10-24 04:33:48 PM

Arkanaut: vernonFL: So Romney supports the United Nations and the International Criminal Court?

Lionel Mandrake: So we're against the ICC until we're for it. OK!

Grand_Moff_Joseph: You mean the same ICC that the GOP refused to use at all to prosecute the folks behind 9/11, instead opting to hold them in indefinite detention on US soil and torturing them, in violation of the Genevea convention?

Even better: John Bolton is one of Mitt's foreign policy advisers.



Lemme ftfy.
 
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