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(Politico)   Meet the undecided voter. The salt of the earth, the common clay of the land. You know, morons   (politico.com) divider line 172
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2012-10-24 10:28:46 AM  
Inconceivable.
 
2012-10-24 10:50:45 AM  
You forgot the other "undecided" - the liar that enjoys attention.
 
2012-10-24 10:50:50 AM  

DamnYankees: Inconceivable.


I loved that line in History of the World Part 1.
 
2012-10-24 10:51:11 AM  
Is it another nice list of people saying "Obama's done all these things, but I'm just not sure..."?
 
2012-10-24 10:51:53 AM  
These are the people who stop when attempting to merge onto a highway.
 
2012-10-24 10:52:48 AM  
She prefers the president on issues like abortion, employer-provided contraception and equal pay for women. But she is very worried about her mounting student loan debt and her job prospects.

*head desk*

I give.
 
2012-10-24 10:53:16 AM  

spelletrader: You forgot the other "undecided" - the liar that enjoys attention.


There's still another - the ashamed Republican. Those who recognize that their party has gone completely off the rails but simply can't pull the lever for the pro-tax queers.
 
2012-10-24 10:53:32 AM  
Anyone who is truly undecided at this point probably shouldn't be voting. They are the willfully ignorant.
 
2012-10-24 10:53:56 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: DamnYankees: Inconceivable.

I loved that line in History of the World Part 1.


I particularly liked the scene in that movie about Romanes Eunt Domus.
 
2012-10-24 10:55:12 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: spelletrader: You forgot the other "undecided" - the liar that enjoys attention.

There's still another - the ashamed Republican. Those who recognize that their party has gone completely off the rails but simply can't pull the lever for the pro-tax queers.


Oh I lump them into the "Both candidates suck, so why bother?" group.
 
2012-10-24 10:55:54 AM  
Dear Ben White,

Come on Mr. White, you aren't dumb and you aren't shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the M-word as an insult?

I'm a 30 year old independent who has struggled with the public's perception that an intellectual disability means that I am dumb and shallow. I am not either of those things, but I do process information more slowly than the rest of you. In fact it has taken me all day to figure out how to respond to your use of the M-word last night.

I thought first of asking whether you meant to describe the public as someone who was bullied as a child by people like you, but rose above it to find a way to succeed in life as many of my wavering fellows have.

Then I wondered if you meant to describe them as someone who has to struggle to be decisive about everything they say, as everyone else races from one snarkey sound bite to the next.

Finally, I wondered if you meant to degrade them as someone who is likely to receive bad health care, live in low grade housing with very little income and still manages to see life as a wonderful gift.

Because, Mr. White, that is who we are - and much, much more.

After I saw your blog, I realized you just wanted to belittle the common voter by linking him to people like me. You assumed that people would understand and accept that being linked to someone like me is an insult and you assumed you could get away with it and still appear on TV.

I have to wonder if you considered other hateful words but recoiled from the backlash.

Well, Mr. White, you, and society, need to learn that being compared to people like me should be considered a badge of honor.

No one overcomes more indecision than we do and still loves life so much.

Come join us someday at...somewhere, I'll work something out. See if you can walk away with your heart unchanged.

A friend you haven't made yet,
sprawl15
 
2012-10-24 10:56:12 AM  

LarryDan43: These are the people who stop when attempting to merge onto a highway.


.....while on their way to McDonalds where they stand in line for 10 minutes but only when they reach the register do they start thinking about what they are going to order from a menu that has basically not changed for years.
 
2012-10-24 10:56:42 AM  
In all my conversations with people about politics, I have not encountered anyone who is undecided at this point in the campaign season. I'm convinced at this point that finding someone who is undecided is like finding someone who freely admits that they voted for George W. Bush twice.
 
2012-10-24 10:57:35 AM  

Rann Xerox: In all my conversations with people about politics, I have not encountered anyone who is undecided at this point in the campaign season. I'm convinced at this point that finding someone who is undecided is like finding someone who freely admits that they voted for George W. Bush twice.


I voted for Bush in 2004. I was too young in 2000, but probably would have. So I'm here.
 
2012-10-24 10:57:50 AM  
A cake decorator and some lady that can't get a job are considering a republican? I didn't know those two professions paid over 300K a year. The chiropractor I get, as a matter of fact I find it odd she's even considering Obama but I guess that's how shiatty the republican social conservative brand is...
 
2012-10-24 11:00:29 AM  

Citrate1007: Anyone who is truly undecided at this point probably shouldn't be voting. They are the willfully ignorant.


So true. SNL roasted them several times a few weeks ago. I think some people believe it makes them look more thoughtful.
 
2012-10-24 11:01:59 AM  

Citrate1007: Anyone who is truly undecided at this point probably shouldn't be voting. They are the willfully ignorant.


in all fairness election season is generally annoying and largely misleading, if you were jaded coming into the election season there's a good chance you'll still be jaded by now
 
2012-10-24 11:02:31 AM  
I'm officially tired now of the piling on of undecided voters that we go through every four years.

/Maybe it's funny for the new voters each time, but it gets old fast
 
2012-10-24 11:02:45 AM  

sprawl15: Dear Ben White,

Come on Mr. White, you aren't dumb and you aren't shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the M-word as an insult?

I'm a 30 year old independent who has struggled with the public's perception that an intellectual disability means that I am dumb and shallow. I am not either of those things, but I do process information more slowly than the rest of you. In fact it has taken me all day to figure out how to respond to your use of the M-word last night.

I thought first of asking whether you meant to describe the public as someone who was bullied as a child by people like you, but rose above it to find a way to succeed in life as many of my wavering fellows have.

Then I wondered if you meant to describe them as someone who has to struggle to be decisive about everything they say, as everyone else races from one snarkey sound bite to the next.

Finally, I wondered if you meant to degrade them as someone who is likely to receive bad health care, live in low grade housing with very little income and still manages to see life as a wonderful gift.

Because, Mr. White, that is who we are - and much, much more.

After I saw your blog, I realized you just wanted to belittle the common voter by linking him to people like me. You assumed that people would understand and accept that being linked to someone like me is an insult and you assumed you could get away with it and still appear on TV.

I have to wonder if you considered other hateful words but recoiled from the backlash.

Well, Mr. White, you, and society, need to learn that being compared to people like me should be considered a badge of honor.

No one overcomes more indecision than we do and still loves life so much.

Come join us someday at...somewhere, I'll work something out. See if you can walk away with your heart unchanged.

A friend you haven't made yet,
sprawl15


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-24 11:03:15 AM  
I know it is hard to believe but there are some people who don't masturbate to Nate Silver and read the Fark Politics tab every day.

I don't have a problem calling undecideds low information voters...they are, because they don't pay attention to politics. It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.

They're low information but they aren't dumb. In fact, some of them are probably a lot smarter than the partisan hacks who made up their minds when the D or R appeared by the canidate's names.

Now, you can argue whether they should even be allowed to vote if they don't have time or inclination to follow the races. Personally, since we only get about what, like 30% of those able to vote to actually participate, I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from voting. But it would be nice if people had a basic level of information before casting their vote.

Of course, there are the undecideds who have plenty of information but refuse to choose for whatever reason. Attention whoring a possibility I suppose, but you have to be pretty sad to want the attention of the freaking political media.

But I think there are a large number of these undecideds who don't have all the information, either don't have the ability or desire to get it, and therefore are still trying to decide based in what they've seen in debates and political ads.
 
2012-10-24 11:03:40 AM  
I believe they refer to themselves as "independents".

TofuTheAlmighty: spelletrader: You forgot the other "undecided" - the liar that enjoys attention.

There's still another - the ashamed Republican. Those who recognize that their party has gone completely off the rails but simply can't pull the lever for the pro-tax queers.

 
2012-10-24 11:04:29 AM  

sprawl15: Dear Ben White,

Come on Mr. White, you aren't dumb and you aren't shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the M-word as an insult?
.....

A friend you haven't made yet,
sprawl15


It's a fair point. Isn't calling someone a moron or a cretin or an idiot also offensive to legitimate morons, cretins, and idiots? And I ask this as a member of this group of disadvantaged individuals.
 
2012-10-24 11:04:52 AM  

js34603: It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.


This is bullshiat. There's nothing wrong with not paying attention to politics if you don't care about it. But it's not 'hard'. If people wanted to care, they easily could. They just don't. And there's nothing wrong with that! But lets not pretend like its some great challenge.
 
2012-10-24 11:06:15 AM  

farkplug: sprawl15: Dear Ben White,

Come on Mr. White, you aren't dumb and you aren't shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the M-word as an insult?
.....

A friend you haven't made yet,
sprawl15

It's a fair point. Isn't calling someone a moron or a cretin or an idiot also offensive to legitimate morons, cretins, and idiots? And I ask this as a member of this group of disadvantaged individuals.


you guys just blew my mine. From now on, I'll stick with counting to potato
 
2012-10-24 11:06:29 AM  

quatchi: She prefers the president on issues like abortion, employer-provided contraception and equal pay for women. But she is very worried about her mounting student loan debt and her job prospects.

*head desk*

I give.


SO basically, Obama has given her a level playing field, but hasn't FOUND her a job, so she's concerned.
 
2012-10-24 11:07:54 AM  
I came across one of my coworkers taking an online quiz to decide which candidate she should vote for. I thought that was pretty sad although she usually just votes for whoever her husband votes for so I guess it doesn't make that much of a difference
 
2012-10-24 11:07:54 AM  

DamnYankees: js34603: It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.

This is bullshiat. There's nothing wrong with not paying attention to politics if you don't care about it. But it's not 'hard'. If people wanted to care, they easily could. They just don't. And there's nothing wrong with that! But lets not pretend like its some great challenge.


who are these people so motivated that they work 80 hours a week but so lazy they can't even bother following the most basic information about their future president.
 
2012-10-24 11:08:50 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: I came across one of my coworkers taking an online quiz to decide which candidate she should vote for. I thought that was pretty sad although she usually just votes for whoever her husband votes for so I guess it doesn't make that much of a difference


I guess the fact that she's going elsewhere for information is a good sign...
 
2012-10-24 11:09:09 AM  
Never mind that sh*t - here comes MONGO RMONEY!
 
2012-10-24 11:09:13 AM  

DamnYankees: js34603: It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.

This is bullshiat. There's nothing wrong with not paying attention to politics if you don't care about it. But it's not 'hard'. If people wanted to care, they easily could. They just don't. And there's nothing wrong with that! But lets not pretend like its some great challenge.


Have you ever worked so much you get up, go to work, come home, sleep, then do it again the next day? It's hard for those people to follow politics, despite what people who have the leisure to be in Fark all day think.

While it might not be a large portion of the undecideds, they exist (I know at least three in my family who say they don't know who they are voting for and surprise, they work 80+ hours a week and don't follow politics) and it is silly to lump them in as dumb.
 
2012-10-24 11:10:13 AM  

js34603: Have you ever worked so much you get up, go to work, come home, sleep, then do it again the next day? It's hard for those people to follow politics, despite what people who have the leisure to be in Fark all day think.


Yes. I have. That's my current job. But no one - and certainly not 5% of the population - does this unendingly for a year to the extent that they have zero time to look at politics even though they want to.

Your sample size consists of maybe 0.01% of the population, max.
 
2012-10-24 11:10:33 AM  

js34603: I know at least three in my family who say they don't know who they are voting for and surprise, they work 80+ hours a week and don't follow politics


maybe they shouldn't have taken shop class as their elective three years in a row in high school
 
2012-10-24 11:10:35 AM  

qorkfiend: ModernPrimitive01: I came across one of my coworkers taking an online quiz to decide which candidate she should vote for. I thought that was pretty sad although she usually just votes for whoever her husband votes for so I guess it doesn't make that much of a difference

I guess the fact that she's going elsewhere for information is a good sign...


I hope it's a step in the right direction but when it comes time to pull the lever she'll revert to the husband
 
2012-10-24 11:11:08 AM  

quatchi: She prefers the president on issues like abortion, employer-provided contraception and equal pay for women. But she is very worried about her mounting student loan debt and her job prospects.

*head desk*

I give.


Her rationale, "Maybe we need something different"

Great economic analysis there. This is like saying "I think I'm fat because I've been eating poorly my whole life. However I haven't lost much weight from my recent diet...hmmm I haven't had cheese fries in a while, maybe I'll try that instead"
 
2012-10-24 11:12:01 AM  

js34603: I know it is hard to believe but there are some people who don't masturbate to Nate Silver and read the Fark Politics tab every day.

I don't have a problem calling undecideds low information voters...they are, because they don't pay attention to politics. It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.

They're low information but they aren't dumb. In fact, some of them are probably a lot smarter than the partisan hacks who made up their minds when the D or R appeared by the canidate's names.

Now, you can argue whether they should even be allowed to vote if they don't have time or inclination to follow the races. Personally, since we only get about what, like 30% of those able to vote to actually participate, I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from voting. But it would be nice if people had a basic level of information before casting their vote.

Of course, there are the undecideds who have plenty of information but refuse to choose for whatever reason. Attention whoring a possibility I suppose, but you have to be pretty sad to want the attention of the freaking political media.

But I think there are a large number of these undecideds who don't have all the information, either don't have the ability or desire to get it, and therefore are still trying to decide based in what they've seen in debates and political ads.


most people i know who have already voted never really stopped following politics year-in year-out, the only thing they needed was some confirmation bias going into the election before casting their vote

if you didn't have that starting point for whatever reason, it's easy to get misled and/or just give up, it's not so much that it's hard to follow - it's just that not everybody has their filter tuned in to whatever circus is going on at the moment
 
2012-10-24 11:12:43 AM  
I can't with these people. The lack of critical thinking skills blows my mind.

A overreaching theme among these undecided voters is they have low-income jobs and they want the candidate who will provide better opportunities. But how in the world can you expect a good-paying job when you can't even process years of campaigning reams of information into one simple decision?

"JOHNSON! I need your opinion on the Smith Account. Do we double down or pass on it?"
"Uh...let me see. There are good things about it...and there are bad things about it."
"Johnson, you've been working on this for three months now!"
"I know, I know, I just need to know more."
"Every minute we waste is costing the company millions!"
"Don't pressure me! Ummmmm...I like how the account will boost quarterly profits...but...ummmm...Maybe there's something better...I'm not a fan of the music they use when they put me on hold...I don't know. Give me another month."
"You're fired. Here's an economy class ticket to Asia. Go find your replacement."
 
2012-10-24 11:12:45 AM  

js34603: They're low information but they aren't dumb.


Fun fact: the word "idiot" is Greek in origin, and it originally referred to selfish people who refused to participate in public affairs, like voting.
 
2012-10-24 11:13:09 AM  
Let's see.

People who dislike both or find aspects of both that are appealing and are struggling with where to cast their vote.

People who doggedly support one of the candidates, ignoring or rationalizing away their obvious flaws while demonizing the other guy to the point they believe that candidate's intent for the country is pure evil.

And the first group is the morons.
 
2012-10-24 11:13:34 AM  

Headso: DamnYankees: js34603: It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.

This is bullshiat. There's nothing wrong with not paying attention to politics if you don't care about it. But it's not 'hard'. If people wanted to care, they easily could. They just don't. And there's nothing wrong with that! But lets not pretend like its some great challenge.

who are these people so motivated that they work 80 hours a week but so lazy they can't even bother following the most basic information about their future president.


So they're lazy and dumb now huh?

I know it really comes as a shock, but believe me not every one has time to join the Politics circle jerk every day. I have a relative who runs a concrete company, he's up at 4 in the morning to drive to the job site, works till god knows when, drives home and goes to bed. You think he's going to stay up an extra hour to hop on Fark to see what's going on in politics? Or watch the news or debates? He's low information. He isn't dumb or lazy. The dumb and lazy people decided who they were voting for when the candidates decided to be Democrat or Republican.
 
2012-10-24 11:13:56 AM  

sprawl15: Dear Sprawl15,

Come on Mr. Sprawl, you aren't stupid and you aren't shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the D-word as an insult?

I'm a 30 year old independent who has struggled with the public's perception that deafness means that I am stupid and shallow. I am not either of those things,

I thought first of asking whether you meant to describe the public as someone who was bullied as a child by people like you, but rose above it to find a way to succeed in life as many of my wavering fellows have.

Then I wondered if you meant to describe them as someone who has to struggle to be decisive about everything they say, as everyone else races from one snarkey sound bite to the next.

Finally, I wondered if you meant to degrade them as someone who is likely to receive bad health care, live in low grade housing with very little income and still manages to see life as a wonderful gift.

Because, Mr. White, that is who we are - and much, much more.

After I saw your blog, I realized you just wanted to belittle Ben White by linking him to people like me. You assumed that people would understand and accept that being linked to someone like me is an insult and you assumed you could get away with it and still appear on TV.

I have to wonder if you considered other hateful words but recoiled from the backlash.

Well, Mr. White, you, and society, need to learn that being compared to people like me should be considered a badge of honor.

No one overcomes more indecision than we do and still loves life so much.

Come join us someday at...somewhere, I'll work something out. See if you can walk away with your heart unchanged.

A friend you haven't made yet,
The Jami Turman Fan Club

 
2012-10-24 11:14:27 AM  

js34603: Have you ever worked so much you get up, go to work, come home, sleep, then do it again the next day?


Have you ever wondered that perhaps certain factions made it that way on purpose?

home.comcast.net

Of course not. You're a one-trick pony. You're just asking questions... questions like, "Why do all these Republicans keep sucking my dick?"
 
2012-10-24 11:14:51 AM  

js34603: I know it really comes as a shock, but believe me not every one has time to join the Politics circle jerk every day. I have a relative who runs a concrete company, he's up at 4 in the morning to drive to the job site, works till god knows when, drives home and goes to bed. You think he's going to stay up an extra hour to hop on Fark to see what's going on in politics? Or watch the news or debates? He's low information. He isn't dumb or lazy. The dumb and lazy people decided who they were voting for when the candidates decided to be Democrat or Republican.


If you have a relative who has worked 20 hours a day every single day for the past year (i.e. he works 7,000 hours a year), I will give you 100 dollars. Seriously. No such person exists.
 
2012-10-24 11:15:37 AM  

sprawl15: js34603: I know at least three in my family who say they don't know who they are voting for and surprise, they work 80+ hours a week and don't follow politics

maybe they shouldn't have taken shop class as their elective three years in a row in high school


Yeah it's a shame we can't all be hedge fund managers and bankers so we could jerk it on Fark all day.
 
2012-10-24 11:16:44 AM  
"I guess you could call me upper-middle class or maybe a little more. And I don't really want to give all my money back to the government," said the woman, who agreed only to be quoted by her first name, Celeste.

Celeste thinks giving 39% of her income over $250K instead of 35% of her income over $250K is "giving all my money back to the government."

"Obama has not done all that he said he would do," Shelby said. "But I also don't really know if Romney would do any better."

Shelby thinks the President is an all-powerful dictator who controls the government by fiat.

"Romney was a real strong presence in the first debate and Obama wasn't," Orr said. But in the second, "everyone said maybe [Obama] was too aggressive but I thought that was good," she said. "He came across as strong."

Oh sweet Jesus...
 
2012-10-24 11:17:12 AM  

js34603: While it might not be a large portion of the undecideds, they exist (I know at least three in my family who say they don't know who they are voting for and surprise, they work 80+ hours a week and don't follow politics) and it is silly to lump them in as dumb.


If they're of the socioeconomic stratum that tends to have to work 80+ hours a week, and they're even considering voting Republican, then yes, they are dumb.
 
2012-10-24 11:17:25 AM  

DamnYankees: js34603: Have you ever worked so much you get up, go to work, come home, sleep, then do it again the next day? It's hard for those people to follow politics, despite what people who have the leisure to be in Fark all day think.

Yes. I have. That's my current job. But no one - and certainly not 5% of the population - does this unendingly for a year to the extent that they have zero time to look at politics even though they want to.

Your sample size consists of maybe 0.01% of the population, max.


I never claimed I has a huge sample size. I claim not all undecideds are dumb and to say they are is the worst kind of arrogance. But not surprising coming from Fark.
 
2012-10-24 11:18:22 AM  

js34603: I never claimed I has a huge sample size. I claim not all undecideds are dumb and to say they are is the worst kind of arrogance. But not surprising coming from Fark.


It's a quote from a movie, for crying out loud.
 
2012-10-24 11:18:23 AM  

js34603: Headso: DamnYankees: js34603: It is kinda hard to keep up with the daily ups and downs of this poltical theater we call a Presidential race when you're working 80 hours a week and taking care of kids the rest of the time.

This is bullshiat. There's nothing wrong with not paying attention to politics if you don't care about it. But it's not 'hard'. If people wanted to care, they easily could. They just don't. And there's nothing wrong with that! But lets not pretend like its some great challenge.

who are these people so motivated that they work 80 hours a week but so lazy they can't even bother following the most basic information about their future president.

So they're lazy and dumb now huh?

I know it really comes as a shock, but believe me not every one has time to join the Politics circle jerk every day. I have a relative who runs a concrete company, he's up at 4 in the morning to drive to the job site, works till god knows when, drives home and goes to bed. You think he's going to stay up an extra hour to hop on Fark to see what's going on in politics? Or watch the news or debates? He's low information. He isn't dumb or lazy. The dumb and lazy people decided who they were voting for when the candidates decided to be Democrat or Republican.


In my experience a lot of people say they work 80,90,100 hours a week but almost none of them do. Usually it's more like 43 hours, but it just feels like 80.
 
2012-10-24 11:18:45 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: So why are you continually using a word like the D-word as an insult?


dicks and butts
dicks and butts
 
2012-10-24 11:21:03 AM  
I'm just glad I live in a non-battleground state. You Ohioans must be ready to jam q-tips in your ears like you mean it.

Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich. Hmmm.

/ Can we get an E - none of the above option and re-run with different slates?
 
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