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2012-10-24 10:49:59 AM  
People that are going to vote for Romney already don't care.
 
2012-10-24 10:50:02 AM  

Leeds: Obama's surrogates


0/10

You almost got me there.

/Not really
 
2012-10-24 10:51:12 AM  

guilt by association: So what's the deal with this?


Those people just wanna tell you how they're feeling, because they've gotta make you understand.
 
2012-10-24 10:51:44 AM  

guilt by association: So what's the deal with this?


Exposed as a Rick-Roll by some industrius Farkers.
 
2012-10-24 10:51:45 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Sounds like a crazy person still fighting a battle she lost 20 years ago, and I'm sure she believes whatever it is is devastating. I wouldn't put much stock in it.


I would not either, she sounds quite bitter, but Allred sees dollar signs here and Allred is quite adept at what she does.
 
2012-10-24 10:52:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Sounds like a crazy person still fighting a battle she lost 20 years ago, and I'm sure she believes whatever it is is devastating. I wouldn't put much stock in it.


Either that, or she's in it for her own personal gain, hoping to wing this into some form of income. Apparently she thinks she's broke.
 
2012-10-24 10:52:57 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: guilt by association: So what's the deal with this?

Exposed as a Rick-Roll by some industrius Farkers.


And here I was, thinking they'd never make me cry.
 
2012-10-24 10:53:02 AM  

Nurglitch: Leeds: I personally believe that the election is in a dead heat.

That said, Obama's surrogates seem to be pretty scared if they have to pretend that a 25 year old court case where he stood up for his friend is somehow damaging or even relevant.

This smells of desperation.

It smells of something. I'm going with irrelevance.


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"It tastes like nothing. It has no discernible properties of any kind."
 
2012-10-24 10:55:33 AM  
So when Trump announcing his BS?
 
2012-10-24 10:56:00 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: If Gloria Allred is involved you know it's full of shiat.


About as much as Donald Trump.

These things have a tendency to backfire. At this point there's precious few people whose votes are going to flip because of this, if there's even anything behind it. AFAIC she should just shut up.

It's just as likely that Romney's base would start grunting and fling poo in agreement.
 
2012-10-24 10:56:14 AM  

NowhereMon: I guess I'm a little curious about WHY Mitt Romney would even need to testify at his partners divorce trial...


I would guess it has something to do with evaluating the partnership assets in some way - determining fair market value, perhaps - for purposes of distributing them between the parties to the dissolution.
 
2012-10-24 10:58:05 AM  

Leeds: I personally believe that the election is in a dead heat.

That said, Obama's surrogates seem to be pretty scared if they have to pretend that a 25 year old court case where he stood up for his friend is somehow damaging or even relevant.

This smells of desperation.


Sorry, she is no Obama surrogate. Try again.
 
2012-10-24 10:58:59 AM  
He could have lied about the worth of the company, only thing I could think of that would hurt him.
 
2012-10-24 11:01:52 AM  
'This is a decades-old divorce case in which Mitt Romney provided testimony as to the value of a company,' he said. 'He has no objection to letting the public see that testimony.'

Well, all right then.
 
2012-10-24 11:02:01 AM  
Unless Mitt's testimony starts with something like "I met him in Thailand when we were both banging 13-year old hookers" I can't see how anything in there would matter.

Eh, maybe if they could prove that he knowingly gave her bad financial advice. Be tough to prove and that would be stretching it.
 
2012-10-24 11:02:40 AM  

TheGogmagog: Is it just me or do the heads seem to be not connected to or proportional to their bodies?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x731]


Photographer is taller than both of them, they're walking and have a nice forward lean. So due to the lean their head is in front of their body and closer to the camera. And it appears to be a slightly wider angle than what is generally called for, hence the head to toe shot. Call it the news version of the myspace pic.
 
2012-10-24 11:04:35 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: FFS, go crawl back under your rock, Gloria.


Amen. I clicked the link, saw her name, and clicked right the hell back out.
 
2012-10-24 11:05:52 AM  
From TMZ (yuck):

Multiple sources connected with the divorce tell TMZ ... during Tom's uber nasty divorce case with ex-wife Maureen, Mitt Romney gave a deposition and testified during the trial that Staples was worth virtually nothing. Romney testified that the company was worth very little and Tom was a dreamer and "the dream continues."

Romney characterized the Staples stock as "overvalued," adding, "I didn't place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company's future."

Partly as a result of Romney's testimony, Maureen got relatively little in the divorce, but we're told just weeks after the divorce ended, Romney and Tom went to Goldman Sachs and cashed in THEIR stock for a fortune. Short story -- Romney allegedly lied to help his friend and screw the friend's wife over.


If he lied under oath, that's a HUGE deal. At least, that's what we've been told since Clinton's impeachment.

But I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
 
2012-10-24 11:06:05 AM  

Girl From The North Country: Leeds: I personally believe that the election is in a dead heat.

That said, Obama's surrogates seem to be pretty scared if they have to pretend that a 25 year old court case where he stood up for his friend is somehow damaging or even relevant.

This smells of desperation.

Sorry, she is no Obama surrogate. Try again.


The term "surrogate" is meant to imply that she isn't directly tied to the campaign.

If you would like to suggest that Gloria Alred is not a surrogate for the Obama team and is instead an Obama team insider then make your case. Otherwise please try to pay closer attention to the thread so you don't make this mistake again.
 
2012-10-24 11:07:22 AM  

ManateeGag: attention whore want attention? shocking.

she and Donald trump should get married and have little attention whore babies.


Dear God! Why would you suggest such a thing? Do you want the earth to collapse into a black hole of narcissism?
 
2012-10-24 11:11:07 AM  
Here's a theory: Stemberg is doing this because she needs money, right?

Suppose she's being paid gonzo bux to file this suit by ... Donald Trump.

Trump's about to release some embarrassing BS, like unused divorce papers from 2000, that will make him look like a sleazy human being. The campaigns will treat him as radioactive, the news networks will shun this gossip-rag debasement of the political process, and he will be ignored. Unless there is someone on the left taking the low road too, so "they're both equally bad."
 
2012-10-24 11:12:50 AM  

Leeds: Girl From The North Country: Leeds: I personally believe that the election is in a dead heat.

That said, Obama's surrogates seem to be pretty scared if they have to pretend that a 25 year old court case where he stood up for his friend is somehow damaging or even relevant.

This smells of desperation.

Sorry, she is no Obama surrogate. Try again.

The term "surrogate" is meant to imply that she isn't directly tied to the campaign.

If you would like to suggest that Gloria Alred is not a surrogate for the Obama team and is instead an Obama team insider then make your case. Otherwise please try to pay closer attention to the thread so you don't make this mistake again.


Nope, I am sticking with it. She is no more an Obama surrogate than I am. A surrogate is someone who is working at the behest of the campaign, and she is off on her own.
 
2012-10-24 11:17:10 AM  
More of the same Romney is a rich out of touch guy. Not exactly a revelation.
 
2012-10-24 11:17:16 AM  
Somehow Gloria is still relevant?
 
2012-10-24 11:17:49 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: From TMZ (yuck):

Multiple sources connected with the divorce tell TMZ ... during Tom's uber nasty divorce case with ex-wife Maureen, Mitt Romney gave a deposition and testified during the trial that Staples was worth virtually nothing. Romney testified that the company was worth very little and Tom was a dreamer and "the dream continues."

Romney characterized the Staples stock as "overvalued," adding, "I didn't place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the company's future."

Partly as a result of Romney's testimony, Maureen got relatively little in the divorce, but we're told just weeks after the divorce ended, Romney and Tom went to Goldman Sachs and cashed in THEIR stock for a fortune. Short story -- Romney allegedly lied to help his friend and screw the friend's wife over.


If you don't think that the company is going to be doing well in the future, wouldn't it make sense to cash in the stock? Making a 'fortune' off of this is not really representative of the companies future value, it may be that they just had a boatload of stock.

In any case, too much missing information from this blurb to really say what is going on here.
 
2012-10-24 11:19:20 AM  

Leeds: Girl From The North Country: Leeds: I personally believe that the election is in a dead heat.

That said, Obama's surrogates seem to be pretty scared if they have to pretend that a 25 year old court case where he stood up for his friend is somehow damaging or even relevant.

This smells of desperation.

Sorry, she is no Obama surrogate. Try again.

The term "surrogate" is meant to imply that she isn't directly tied to the campaign.

If you would like to suggest that Gloria Alred is not a surrogate for the Obama team and is instead an Obama team insider then make your case. Otherwise please try to pay closer attention to the thread so you don't make this mistake again.


You're 20 lbs of fail in a 5 lb box.

surrogate: "a substitute, esp. a person deputizing for another in a specific role or office"
When politicos use the term surrogate it's always a person tied directly to the campaign. Romney doesn't care about this, Obama doesn't care about this, I don't think anyone cares about this. So how is Allred a surrogate in any political interpretation of the word?
 
2012-10-24 11:20:16 AM  

gshepnyc: I detest Romney and look forward to pissing on the grave of his political career, but Gloria Allred is not a sympathetic figure. She has a well-deserved reputation as an attention whore. She may very well be an excellent attorney for her individual clients but I don't see her moving very many people from the R column to the D column no matter what she has to offer.


THIS^. Gloria Allred does a lot of good work (domestic violence and abuse related) but it is overshadowed by her tactics. That's too bad.
 
2012-10-24 11:23:27 AM  
Staples?

Well that was sleazy.
 
2012-10-24 11:24:31 AM  
Nobody takes Gloria Allred serious anymore. She seems to do more harm than good.
 
2012-10-24 11:24:32 AM  

Xcott: Here's a theory: Stemberg is doing this because she needs money, right?

Suppose she's being paid gonzo bux to file this suit by ... Donald Trump.

Trump's about to release some embarrassing BS, like unused divorce papers from 2000, that will make him look like a sleazy human being. The campaigns will treat him as radioactive, the news networks will shun this gossip-rag debasement of the political process, and he will be ignored. Unless there is someone on the left taking the low road too, so "they're both equally bad."


That doesn't make sense. If Trump was afraid of it being radioactive to his brand, he could just not do it. In fact, as CEO, he'd have a fiscal responsbility to not appear sleazy. Not only that, but if he had something so volatile on Mitt, he would've used it in the primaries, not waited until now.
 
2012-10-24 11:27:02 AM  

NowhereMon: I guess I'm a little curious about WHY Mitt Romney would even need to testify at his partners divorce trial...


He testified that the stock they owned was worthless to screw the wife out of her share and then sold it for millions 2 months later. Other than that, its all good
 
2012-10-24 11:29:38 AM  
gifs.gifbin.com
 
2012-10-24 11:34:21 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: If he lied under oath, that's a HUGE deal. At least, that's what we've been told since Clinton's impeachment.


Except in this case the allegedly false testimony would actually be material and relevant to a matter in controversy.
 
2012-10-24 11:35:49 AM  
Link TMZ has more details: it: it looks like they are accusing Mitt of purjering himself about the his buddies financial status in ored to screw over his wife. Does it have legs? Who knows?
 
2012-10-24 11:36:32 AM  
THE COURT: Let's get started. Please Identify yourself for the record.

MITT ROMNEY: Good morning your honor. My name is Willard Mitt Romney, president of Bain capital. I am a serial abortionist.

LAWYER: We...didn't ask about that.

MR: You didn't ask about my dozen underage wives either.

L: I...you...never mind. What is your relationship to Tom Stemberg?

MR: We met through our mutual work at Staples Inc. Soon we were in love and we plan to be married as soon as those useless bureaucrats in Massachusetts legalize it.

L: I had no idea. That also isn't what we wanted to talk...wait, aren't you the governor of Massachusetts?

MR: That's how I know what useless motherfarkers they are. I realized government work is easy money and I'm just sucking up all I can. Just (witness makes graphic slurping noises) like a hooker in front of a pile of blow. Or hell, me in front of a pile of blow. You're a lawyer. Do you have any blow on you?

L: No. Look, just tell me a little about Tom Stemberg. As a father and a husband.

MR: Well he pegged me good on a regular basis so I'm sure he did the same with the missus. His kids turned out really well. Obedient, bright eyed kids he adopted from China with very clever hands.

L: Mr. Stemberg's children are not adopted.

MR: Well I thought he sold them to me cheap. You really had me going Tom! I thought I got your kids for a song!

L: Let's move on to the business side of things. Can you give us an approximation of the value of Mr. Stemberg's holdings in Staples Inc.?

MR: Value? Listen champ. I don't deal in value. I'm basically the most legitimate con man you can be. Value is what I say it is. All of my business experience is basically getting clients drunk enough, or finding enough dirt on them, to get them to sign bad deals. I prey on value. I don't actually understand it.

L: So you can't really tell us anything useful about Mr. Stemberg then?

MR: Nope. Hey, do you want to hear about the horrifying secret blood rituals of my church?

L: No. Thank you for your time.
 
2012-10-24 11:40:11 AM  

Jacobin: He testified that the stock they owned was worthless to screw the wife out of her share


From other sources, it said that she recieved 500,000 shares of company stock. It sounds like they did not force here to sell it at any given time. Sounds like she sold it at the wrong time herself.

If her compensation was in company stock and they were downplaying the value of the company, it would seem to help here get additional shares of company stock.. I am not sure how that screwed her. Especially since the value has climbed over time.
 
2012-10-24 11:41:07 AM  
odinsposse:

Romney was so much more civil and likeable back then. He should really consider getting back on cocaine.
 
2012-10-24 11:43:36 AM  
HeadLever:
From other sources, it said that she recieved 500,000 shares of company stock. It sounds like they did not force here to sell it at any given time. Sounds like she sold it at the wrong time herself.

If her compensation was in company stock and they were downplaying the value of the company, it would seem to help here get additional shares of company stock.. I am not sure how that screwed her. Especially since the value has climbed over time.
Romney described the shares as "overvalued", which would have the opposite effect in both cases. She would have received fewer shares for a given face value and would be eager to dump the stock quickly for fear of immediate losses.

Sounds like a real dick move on Romney's part.
 
2012-10-24 11:47:13 AM  

NowhereMon: Link TMZ has more details: it: it looks like they are accusing Mitt of purjering himself about the his buddies financial status in ored to screw over his wife. Does it have legs? Who knows?


The problem here is that the "liberal media" may paint this as an Obama campaign dirty trick. This isn't going to change the mind of anyone who doesn't already think that vulture capitalists are slimeballs. We already know that Romney likes to undervalue stocks - remember the $100 million IRA?

I wish both Trump and Allred would just STFU.
 
2012-10-24 11:53:30 AM  

NowhereMon: it looks like they are accusing Mitt of purjering himself about the his buddies financial status in ored to screw over his wife.


I don't see how they are coming to that conclusion. It appears that she was given 500K shares of stock while downplaying the value. Seems to me that would drive up the number of shares she would be awarded by the Court. When the value of the company shot upward, that would seem to be a good thing from her persepective, correct? Not sure how this really harmed her other than she sold many of them off before the price shot upward.
 
2012-10-24 11:56:08 AM  

HeadLever: NowhereMon: it looks like they are accusing Mitt of purjering himself about the his buddies financial status in ored to screw over his wife.

I don't see how they are coming to that conclusion. It appears that she was given 500K shares of stock while downplaying the value. Seems to me that would drive up the number of shares she would be awarded by the Court. When the value of the company shot upward, that would seem to be a good thing from her persepective, correct? Not sure how this really harmed her other than she sold many of them off before the price shot upward.


Perhaps she sold many them off too early because she was told lies about the shares being worthless.
 
2012-10-24 11:59:05 AM  
Q: Why don't cannibals eat divorced women?

A: They're too bitter!
 
2012-10-24 11:59:28 AM  
I don't care if they found a live boy or a dead girl in Romney's bed. Gloria Allred's involvement immediately negates any interest for me.
 
2012-10-24 11:59:46 AM  

dr_blasto: Why would anyone care if Romney testified in someone else's divorce? I don't see how it would make a difference unless he said he was banging boys in the DR with Rush and the father while doing blow. Somehow I don't thing that scenario is in these documents.


Me sentiment as well.
 
2012-10-24 12:00:21 PM  
Me = My
 
2012-10-24 12:01:14 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: Romney described the shares as "overvalued", which would have the opposite effect in both cases.


Not sure how you are coming to that conclusion. I see how it can push the value of said stock down in the short term, but that would tend to give the Court more of a incentive to issue her more stock to make up for that lack in value, correct?

I can also see how that might push her to sell quicker than she otherwise would. However, as nasty of a divorce as it was, I would think that it be prudent to get an independent second opinion before cashing in 250K shares of any stock. Of course I imagine that lawyer bills were also piling up, so this may have forced her hand some.
 
2012-10-24 12:02:28 PM  

TheGogmagog: Is it just me or do the heads seem to be not connected to or proportional to their bodies?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x731]


I think it's the angle. It seems like that photo was taken from about 2-3 stair steps up.
 
2012-10-24 12:04:48 PM  
Oh, and Gloria Allred should get together with Donald Trump and make little attention whore babies on some island far, far away from civilization.
 
2012-10-24 12:05:18 PM  

starsrift: That doesn't make sense. If Trump was afraid of it being radioactive to his brand, he could just not do it. In fact, as CEO, he'd have a fiscal responsbility to not appear sleazy. Not only that, but if he had something so volatile on Mitt, he would've used it in the primaries, not waited until now.


I think you're missing the point. The point is that the Allred revelation won't be volatile for Mitt, it will be something nobody cares about except this neurotic ex-wife who thinks it's "devastating" because she's been obsessing over it for years.

But it will still count as an effort to drag Mitt into the gutter over some personal BS, which Trump and the media can point to, which will give his own gutter BS more currency.

Also:

In fact, as CEO, he'd have a fiscal responsbility to not appear sleazy.

It's not fair to say something like this if people might be drinking coffee. So he didn't "investigate" the president's birth certificate, because he had a fiscal responsibility to not appear like a nutbag attention whore?

"Nutbag attention whore" is part of Donald Trump's brand. If anything, he has a fiscal responsibility to be Donald Trump, because that's why he gets his own TV show and ends up in the news every other week.
 
2012-10-24 12:05:18 PM  

bootman:
Perhaps she sold many them off too early because she was told lies about the shares being worthless.


Not sure that I would be following this path until I got a second, independent opinion. Something tells me that she was likely not beliving most of what the other side was telling the court in the first place. Why should she belive this?
 
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