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(Washington Post)   The Obama administration has been adding terrorism suspects to a secret "disposition matrix." Whoa   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-10-24 12:54:53 AM  
Why does that sound like a death panel?
 
2012-10-24 12:58:54 AM  
Cool. I want people to see terrorism as the worst possible career choice. I want them to feel in their heart they will never achieve their objective and will either be killed before they can accomplish anything, or worse, captured and imprisoned for the rest of the idiotic lives.
 
2012-10-24 01:23:10 AM  

dramboxf: Why does that sound like a death panel?


Because it is one.
 
2012-10-24 01:57:46 AM  
oh noe... 0bama killing terrorists... this is bad
 
2012-10-24 02:42:01 AM  

propasaurus: oh noe... 0bama killing terrorists... this is bad


You could be a terrorist for all we (or you) know.
 
2012-10-24 02:50:24 AM  

Frederick: propasaurus: oh noe... 0bama killing terrorists... this is bad

You could be a terrorist for all we (or you) know.


Well... I am a liberal
 
2012-10-24 02:54:14 AM  

Frederick: propasaurus: oh noe... 0bama killing terrorists... this is bad

You could be a terrorist for all we (or you) know.



No, because if he was, he'd be DEAD. It's the old 'drown the witch to see if she's a witch' test. There have been no drone missile strikes in my cozy neighborhood; ergo, my community must be free of terrorists.
 
2012-10-24 03:06:19 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Cool. I want people to see terrorism as the worst possible career choice. I want them to feel in their heart they will never achieve their objective and will either be killed before they can accomplish anything, or worse, captured and imprisoned for the rest of the idiotic lives.


Also, let's kill like a dozen people standing next to the terrorist, including possibly women and children!
 
2012-10-24 10:29:18 AM  

propasaurus: Well... I am a liberal


Right. Meanwhile, real liberals, like the ones at the ACLU, are concerned that the NCTC's real purpose is aggregate data-mining of United States citizens.

Real liberals do not support drones strikes, spying on citizens, and the other authoritarian bullshiat. Real liberals believe that terrorists should be captured, tried, and jailed, not assassinated (or, as it has been euphemistically called now, "extrajudicial killings").
 
2012-10-24 10:35:37 AM  

James F. Campbell: Right. Meanwhile, real liberals, like the ones at the ACLU, are concerned that the NCTC's real purpose is aggregate data-mining of United States citizens.

Real liberals do not support drones strikes, spying on citizens, and the other authoritarian bullshiat. Real liberals believe that terrorists should be captured, tried, and jailed, not assassinated (or, as it has been euphemistically called now, "extrajudicial killings").


Conservatives and the Obama administration have conflated terrorists with guys holding grudges. It's truly sickening and I have no idea how to stop it.
 
2012-10-24 10:46:57 AM  

James F. Campbell: Real liberals believe that terrorists should be captured, tried, and jailed


So when a bunch of Taliban attack a US convoy in Afghanistan, what would be the best method of tasing/pepper spraying them to ensure we can prosecute them later?
 
2012-10-24 11:14:49 AM  
Wait, this sounds like 6 sigma stuff...
 
2012-10-24 11:30:32 AM  
"Disposition matrix?"

Hmm.

"According to our disposition matrix...Anquar al Insalam is 'pissed off' right now. But that's mostly due to him being a Carolina Panthers fan."
 
2012-10-24 11:38:23 AM  

Rincewind53: AdolfOliverPanties: Cool. I want people to see terrorism as the worst possible career choice. I want them to feel in their heart they will never achieve their objective and will either be killed before they can accomplish anything, or worse, captured and imprisoned for the rest of the idiotic lives.

Also, let's kill like a dozen people standing next to the terrorist, including possibly women and children!


Yes, let's. If tolerating the presence of terrorists means you or your family may be killed along with them, it will go a long way toward ending that tolerance.
 
2012-10-24 11:44:58 AM  
Is this anything like "double-secret probation"?
 
2012-10-24 11:54:44 AM  
Stuff like this will make Agent Smith grin like a Cheshire Cat.
 
2012-10-24 12:07:49 PM  

uksocal: Wait, this sounds like 6 sigma stuff...


Just finished Six Sigma GBPL training last week, so I'm getting a kick out of this reply.
 
2012-10-24 12:34:05 PM  
Better to kill a thousand innocent people than let one terrorist go free.
 
2012-10-24 12:36:26 PM  

propasaurus: oh noe... 0bama killing terrorists... this is bad



How about the other people he's killing?
 
2012-10-24 01:12:50 PM  
I consider myself pretty liberal, but the idea of capturing and trying terrorists living outside the US judicially is a silly pipe dream, and nowhere near the risk it would impose by requiring boots on the ground in hostile territory.

I'm all in favor of drone strikes, because they're cheaper, they don't cost the lives of our soldiers, and they are effective at eliminating targets. As others have said, they also have a chilling effect on local support of these groups, because no one likes getting caught in a Hellfire strike.

Now, whether said targets are viable or not is a case-by-case deal. Certainly, we should endeavor for more accountability to prevent more collateral damage in the future.

I would say that my greatest disappointment with Obama is, indeed, his continued usage of the privacy-invading PATRIOT Act tactics that Bush introduced. I knew that once we gave the government that kind of power, that they would never give it up easily, if at all. Until we get an actual liberal (and no, Obama isn't on anything besides social issues) in office, we'll probably never have an end to the data-mining.
 
2012-10-24 02:40:18 PM  

Rich Cream: Better to kill a thousand innocent people than let one terrorist go free.


If they aren't Americans, yes. Other countries can protect their citizens and we'll protect ours.
 
2012-10-24 05:16:28 PM  
"I'd call that a high tech lynching, also"

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2012-10-24 09:44:50 PM  

uksocal: Wait, this sounds like 6 sigma stuff...


It's like lean, just-in-time assassinating. Definitely helps reduce inventory.
 
2012-10-24 10:33:12 PM  
The disposition matrix is out of alignment. Hand me that hyperspanner.
 
2012-10-25 12:42:50 AM  
Am I the only one not surprised by this?
 
2012-10-25 01:18:10 AM  
Interesting? This is farking scary.

Assuming the Post's estimates are correct - that "among senior Obama administration officials, there is broad consensus that such operations are likely to be extended at least another decade" - this means that the war on terror will last for more than 20 years, far longer than any other American war. This is what has always made the rationale for indefinite detention - that it is permissible to detain people without due process until the "end of hostilities" - so warped in this context. Those who are advocating that are endorsing nothing less than life imprisonment - permanent incarceration - without any charges or opportunities to contest the accusations.

That people are now dying at Guantanamo after almost a decade in a cage with no charges highlights just how repressive that power is. Extend that mentality to secret, due-process-free assassinations - something the US government clearly intends to convert into a permanent fixture of American political life - and it is not difficult to see just how truly extremist and anti-democratic "war on terror" proponents in both political parties have become.


Source: The Guardian (UK) Permanent War on Terror
 
2012-10-25 01:26:26 AM  
This is the ultimate direction of the authoritarian capitalist system: More and more government power, more and more corporate power. The two parties, such as they are, create a contrast by throwing mostly-bogus social issues at the wall while working toward the same evil bullshiat in terms of economics, militarism and the police state. And, of course, we see people on "both" "sides" applauding it, as in this thread.

When the time comes that my comrades and I are the names coming up on the big dartboard, I hope its your families that are in the collateral damage range.
 
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