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(Washington Post)   The bar codes on TSA's premium pre-screening program boarding passes contains info about the level of security screening a passenger will get. Good thing handheld computers that can easily read bar codes aren't in widespread use yet   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line 84
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2012-10-24 09:34:35 AM  
I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.
 
2012-10-24 09:45:30 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.

And speaking of my company, we have insane security requirements. WTF is wrong with the TSA not encrypting this shiat? If they want to shake the stigma of the "illusion of security" for real security, this is a lousy way to go about it.
 
2012-10-24 09:49:03 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


I was part of the Clear program, it was nice, and then it went bankrupt.
 
2012-10-24 09:49:07 AM  
Wah...look we are "doing" something....self entitled pricks who demanded this system will be the first to cry when they find out they are now less secure.........
 
2012-10-24 09:51:32 AM  
It's a good thing that being an intrusive pain in the tukus doesn't convince customers to avoid your product or service.
 
2012-10-24 09:51:43 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


Those who will trade freedom for security will lose both, and deserve neither.
 
2012-10-24 09:52:50 AM  

Diogenes: WTF is wrong with the TSA not encrypting this shiat?


Because they are incompetent. I've watched dozens and dozens of poor workers who shouldn't even be in government service go to DHS and get promotions! The place is a joke across the government, a sinkhole of incompetence. We hire a fair number of people over the year, and the resumes fall into two groups: Those who are getting out because DHS is crap, and those who stopped by DHS to have a cup of coffee and get a raise.
 
2012-10-24 09:53:50 AM  

ticklebooth.com

"9 ... 11!"

 
2012-10-24 09:53:59 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


I'm part of it as well but did not need to go through all of that - I haven't paid anything and all I needed to do was sign up (no interviews or anything). It's been great going through security without having to do the whole rigamarole.
 
2012-10-24 09:54:02 AM  
haha had to read headline twice to get it, well played

/clear text is clear
 
2012-10-24 09:54:26 AM  

Diogenes: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.

And speaking of my company, we have insane security requirements. WTF is wrong with the TSA not encrypting this shiat? If they want to shake the stigma of the "illusion of security" for real security, this is a lousy way to go about it.


In Orlando? I wouldn't pay for it. The lines can get long, but they aren't terrible. Places like JFK/IAD/DFW? yeah. You have long concourses to get through without having to worry about security.
 
2012-10-24 09:54:47 AM  
Subby doesn't seem to know much about barcodes... or just how many different variants and encoding formats there are.

Cute.
 
2012-10-24 09:54:54 AM  
Just kill the TSA. If security is your main worry, go die with them.
 
2012-10-24 09:55:20 AM  
I paid $20 the last time I took JetBlue and got a great seat and walked to the head of the security line at Logan. Totally worth it.
 
2012-10-24 09:55:43 AM  
 
2012-10-24 09:56:22 AM  

enry: I paid $20 the last time I took JetBlue and got a great seat and walked to the head of the security line at Logan. Totally worth it.


I wish they'd expand to slightly smaller airports like Louisville, best airline domestic airline there is.
 
2012-10-24 09:56:44 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


Want to know the best part? If you have a current background investigation, even one at a much higher level than required for the program, they still do another for the DHS/TSA program. Good use of taxpayers money, no?

/friends in high places
//ok, highish
 
2012-10-24 09:58:23 AM  

nmemkha: Coming soon to buses and trains!


That's the VIPER team, I shadowed them one week. They were going to ports, train stations, bus stations, stadiums etc... But they weren't screening, they were there looking at security weak points and making sure the local security team was on top of it.

Completely different people than the people at a checkpoint or checked baggage screening area.
 
2012-10-24 09:58:33 AM  
We see this level of incompetence all the time. Municipalities in general, and the feds in particular, still haven't figured out that bar coding something is not any more secure than changing the font to WingDings.

Groups that use mag-stripe ID cards are also particularly egregious offenders, but at least I can't print a new stripe on my $15 DeskJet.
 
2012-10-24 09:58:49 AM  

Girion47: In Orlando? I wouldn't pay for it. The lines can get long, but they aren't terrible. Places like JFK/IAD/DFW? yeah. You have long concourses to get through without having to worry about security.


No, Orlando is pretty slick. You're right about that. It was always a pleasure to return home.

But when I was consulting all my contracts were in the DC area. So, Reagan National or Dulles. And my family is in NJ which means Newark. Never had much issue with Reagan. But this was all before 9/11. I stopped consulting and took a local assignment shortly before the attack.
 
2012-10-24 09:59:44 AM  

SkunkWerks: Subby doesn't seem to know much about barcodes... or just how many different variants and encoding formats there are.

Cute.


Well, you can't put *everything* in the headline. For all of the "variants and encoding formats" out there, TSA still decided to use one that was both common and unencrypted.
 
2012-10-24 09:59:56 AM  
Cell phone app being written in 3, 2, 1 ....
 
2012-10-24 10:00:12 AM  

MemeSlave: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

Those who will trade freedom for security will lose both, and deserve neither.


What freedoms do people in the program trade or lose?
 
2012-10-24 10:00:22 AM  

Diogenes: Girion47: In Orlando? I wouldn't pay for it. The lines can get long, but they aren't terrible. Places like JFK/IAD/DFW? yeah. You have long concourses to get through without having to worry about security.

No, Orlando is pretty slick. You're right about that. It was always a pleasure to return home.

But when I was consulting all my contracts were in the DC area. So, Reagan National or Dulles. And my family is in NJ which means Newark. Never had much issue with Reagan. But this was all before 9/11. I stopped consulting and took a local assignment shortly before the attack.


ugh Newark, that was probably the shabbiest airport I've ever inspected. I was at the TSA offsite offices, surrounded by barb wire fences and still warned not to leave any small change in a cup holder because someone would bust the window to get to it.
 
2012-10-24 10:00:37 AM  
This reminds me of the reports that our drone communications used to be unencrypted. The storage on the drones was encrypted, but the transmissions were hackable. I wonder if we ever corrected that.

Talk about a real security threat.
 
2012-10-24 10:00:49 AM  
Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.
 
2012-10-24 10:02:15 AM  
People who pay extra deserve to go ahead and make the rest of us wait longer.

Because people who fly first class never cause trouble.

0.tqn.com
 
2012-10-24 10:02:44 AM  

Girion47: nmemkha: Coming soon to buses and trains!

That's the VIPER team, I shadowed them one week. They were going to ports, train stations, bus stations, stadiums etc... But they weren't screening, they were there looking at security weak points and making sure the local security team was on top of it.

Completely different people than the people at a checkpoint or checked baggage screening area.


And Amtrak hates them
 
2012-10-24 10:06:07 AM  

Avonmore: Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.


Yeah, I'm not a "high level frequent flyer" so that's why I had to do it thru the Global Entry program, which costs money and you have to visit a US Customs office to be interviewed, have your picture taken, etc.

For those wondering how to enter the TSA Pre program you can get details here or just read this:

Q. How can someone sign up to participate?

A. Currently, only those passengers who opt-in will have the opportunity to volunteer to participate.

Participating airlines will permit some of their frequent flyers, based on TSA criteria, to opt-in through the airline's system. Participating airlines have contacted eligible frequent travelers with an invitation to opt-in. Once the passenger opts in, the airline identifies the individual as a participant when submitting the passenger reservation information to TSA's Secure Flight system.

Current members of U.S. Customs and Border Protection's (CBP) Global Entry, SENTRI or NEXUS programs are already eligible to participate in the TSA Pre✓™ concept if they are flying on a participating airline at a participating airport. Those passengers need to place their PASS ID in the 'Known Traveler Number' field while booking their reservation. Interested passengers who are not eligible through their airline and are not already a member of a CBP Trusted Traveler program may still be able to opt-in to TSA Pre✓™ by applying for one of the CBP eligible programs.
 
2012-10-24 10:06:38 AM  

Diogenes: This reminds me of the reports that our drone communications used to be unencrypted. The storage on the drones was encrypted, but the transmissions were hackable. I wonder if we ever corrected that.

Talk about a real security threat.


You're referring to the video feeds that were intercepted. Command and control is encrypted, the video feeds were not

Source
 
2012-10-24 10:07:43 AM  

LandOfChocolate: Diogenes: This reminds me of the reports that our drone communications used to be unencrypted. The storage on the drones was encrypted, but the transmissions were hackable. I wonder if we ever corrected that.

Talk about a real security threat.

You're referring to the video feeds that were intercepted. Command and control is encrypted, the video feeds were not

Source


Not sure why my link was stripped:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126102247889095011.html
 
2012-10-24 10:12:07 AM  

LandOfChocolate: You're referring to the video feeds that were intercepted. Command and control is encrypted, the video feeds were not


Right. I didn't differentiate. Good catch. But still.
 
2012-10-24 10:13:08 AM  
I used to think that the TSA would die out when they harrassed some powerful people. The early cases with Congressmen gave me hope, then they were exempted. Then pilots and flight staff were, then the rich, and the frequent fliers - and now even just the prepared paperwork types. All that leaves is the poor and the little people.

I now know two things: the TSA will never go away, and they are completely ineffective - as any terrorist with even moderate backing and time to prepare will easily exempt themselves from the worst of the TSA's security theater.
 
2012-10-24 10:13:36 AM  
If this is so good, why can't this work system-wide for every traveller?
 
2012-10-24 10:14:08 AM  

Avonmore: Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.


This is how I got in. I don't tend to originate at airports that have the program live yet, Austin is supposed to be getting it next year. Did get to use it going out of LGA last week. SOOO nice to be treated like a passenger and not a suspect. Bag on conveyor, phone and watch in bag, and that's it. Through security in 30 seconds.
 
2012-10-24 10:15:08 AM  
This has been true a LOOOONGG time.

The boarding pass used to have a string of letters: "SSSSSSSSS" if you got the extra screening.

That's why they always do it after looking at the boarding pass, it tells them what to do.
 
2012-10-24 10:16:01 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.



fark you, asshole.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-24 10:17:10 AM  
LandOfChocolate

WSJ main page, but not WSJ blogs, is blocked by Fark because registration may be required.
 
2012-10-24 10:17:28 AM  

Girion47: Diogenes: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.

And speaking of my company, we have insane security requirements. WTF is wrong with the TSA not encrypting this shiat? If they want to shake the stigma of the "illusion of security" for real security, this is a lousy way to go about it.

In Orlando? I wouldn't pay for it. The lines can get long, but they aren't terrible. Places like JFK/IAD/DFW? yeah. You have long concourses to get through without having to worry about security.


In my travel experience (about one trip every two weeks), DFW is one of the most efficient airports in the nation as far as security is concerned. Having security checkpoints every few gates is a really great thing. I don't ever recall waiting more than 5 minutes to clear.

/YMMV
 
2012-10-24 10:17:30 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it.


American Express Platinum and Centurion cardmembers are entitled to have their enrollment fees refunded by Amex. So it is possible to get it for free - also some/most high tier frequent fliers get it from the airline.

Global Entry on its own is totally worth the money, even if you had to pay. I arrived at JFK a few months ago to Delta's disaster of a terminal 3. The passport control line was halfway back to the plane with probably 500-700 people waiting. I walked past all of them, used the kiosk, and cleared passport control in under two minutes. It's totally awesome and has the potential to save an hour or more on every use depending on where you fly into.
 
2012-10-24 10:17:47 AM  

ScottRiqui: Well, you can't put *everything* in the headline. For all of the "variants and encoding formats" out there, TSA still decided to use one that was both common and unencrypted.


Then you don't blame it on the decision to use barcode readers in the headline, I'd suspect.

Not a big fan of the TSA here. Also not a big fan of folks who have a "Hollywood" understanding of what computers can do, and what they can't:

DisableAlienMotherShip() = true
MakeClearBlurryAndBadlyPixellatedPhotos() = true
ReadANYBarcodeOnThePlanetWithoutKnowingHow() = true

That said, I'd have to expect that there's some sort of database connection to other data about you. If the concern is DIY fast-tracking of yourself, well, something's not going to add up at some point during the process. Not that I expect thoroughness, prudence and (least of all) creative thinking from the TSA.

I don't. They aren't paid enough for it, to put it bluntly.
 
GBB
2012-10-24 10:18:25 AM  
time I flew after 2001 was after a long road trip. It was when New York had that big blackout. Bad things always seem to happen when I'm on vacation: Big NYC blackout, Dan Weldon dies, etc. Anyway, we drove from Florida to Nevada on a 9 day road trip. I flew from Reno back to FL. My friend was staying out there for a few months and I was to fly back and go on a 7 day road trip back to FL, but we didn't know exactly when that would be, so I had a 1-way ticket from Reno to FL. When I picked up my ticket at the counter, they packet it in one of those boarding pass sleeves and put in a red ticket that stuck out. A big, bright red ticket. Obviously, it was to let the screeners know that I had to go through extra screening, which I did. But seriously, a big red ticket?? Did they give green ones to everyone else?? I didn't see any. Could I have just "lost" the big red ticket and been ok??
 
2012-10-24 10:18:38 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats
 
2012-10-24 10:22:27 AM  


So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats

So Frequent Flyer /= Wealthy, I wish it did, but it doesn't.
 
2012-10-24 10:23:39 AM  

gutterman: So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats

So Frequent Flyer /= Wealthy, I wish it did, but it doesn't.


I did a lousy job on quoting the other Farker
 
2012-10-24 10:25:42 AM  

blackminded: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats



Yup. I got my invitation ages ago and I turned it down because I don't support the TSA. This shiatbird does. He actively supports and encourages all of the messed up shiat they do, all of the useless, horrifying, invasive, abusive crap they engage in, and he's proud of it. Proud enough to pay money to support it.

Did I not say it loud enough?



fark. YOU. ASSHOLE.
 
2012-10-24 10:27:04 AM  

gutterman: Avonmore: Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.

This is how I got in. I don't tend to originate at airports that have the program live yet, Austin is supposed to be getting it next year. Did get to use it going out of LGA last week. SOOO nice to be treated like a passenger and not a suspect. Bag on conveyor, phone and watch in bag, and that's it. Through security in 30 seconds.


And fark you too, you asshole.
 
2012-10-24 10:27:14 AM  

gutterman: gutterman: So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats

So Frequent Flyer /= Wealthy, I wish it did, but it doesn't.

I did a lousy job on quoting the other Farker


Yeah I was a frequent flier when I was inspecting airports, might have worn a suit, but I got it at an outlet store and paying rent in NoVA ensured that I was far from wealthy.
 
2012-10-24 10:28:32 AM  

blackminded: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats


Keep reading the site. I'm neither wealthy, nor a frequent flier, and was not invited to join. Just sign up for the Global Entry program. There's a $100 application fee and the Global Entry card is good for 5 years. Entry in that program gives you free entry to TSA Pre program. Be poor. Feel wealthy. Be treated like a SUPERSTAR.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-24 10:28:36 AM  

willfullyobscure: gutterman: Avonmore: Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.

This is how I got in. I don't tend to originate at airports that have the program live yet, Austin is supposed to be getting it next year. Did get to use it going out of LGA last week. SOOO nice to be treated like a passenger and not a suspect. Bag on conveyor, phone and watch in bag, and that's it. Through security in 30 seconds.

And fark you too, you asshole.


Look, some of us have jobs that necessitate air travel. Just because we take advantage of easing the pain of air travel, doesn't make us assholes.
 
2012-10-24 10:30:44 AM  

Walker: If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.


thats awsome. So Johnny Denmonic just needs to go from Boston to Vegas ever two weeks for a year and then he is on the 'dont look at me twice list?' $10k to bypass extra security. Seems like a deal to a terroristo
 
2012-10-24 10:31:47 AM  

yukonzangel: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

I'm part of it as well but did not need to go through all of that - I haven't paid anything and all I needed to do was sign up (no interviews or anything). It's been great going through security without having to do the whole rigamarole.


Oops, I missed you. Go fark yourself, you TSA cocksucker. You're making it worse for all of us by what you do and by supporting the TSA. Its because of people like you that kids get diddled and nudes shots of random people get leaked and the TSA can steal whatever they want from passengers and abuse the shiat out of cripples and old ladies.

fark you. In the ass, like a biatch, because you are one for signing up for pre screening.
 
2012-10-24 10:32:15 AM  

SkunkWerks: ScotReadANYBarcodeOnThePlanetWithoutKnowingHow() = true



Any barcode reader CAN read any of the standard barcode types. But knowing the actual barcode and knowing what that MEANS can be two different things if the system is setup correctly.

If I just barcode "SkunkWerks gets extra screening" and pass it through a barcode reader it will give the plain text.

If I hash 'SkunkWerks gets extra screening" to 01984719874617 with an algorithm and then give that hash to my system, if you read it you will only have the hash value and not the actual value.

Of course then we have a deeper discussion on collisions, etc. but with a proper setup you could really make it so somoene would have to sit and watch a checkpoint for months to years to determine the hash algorithm. And that's if they can get a look at every barcode that passes through.

So this is probably more a funcion of poor system implementation than using barcodes.
 
2012-10-24 10:32:27 AM  

willfullyobscure: blackminded: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats


Yup. I got my invitation ages ago and I turned it down because I don't support the TSA. This shiatbird does. He actively supports and encourages all of the messed up shiat they do, all of the useless, horrifying, invasive, abusive crap they engage in, and he's proud of it. Proud enough to pay money to support it.

Did I not say it loud enough?

fark. YOU. ASSHOLE.


I'm the #1 TSA hater around. How does avoiding TSA hassles make me a TSA supporter? And the program is free. The money I paid is for the Global Entry program, which is also a good way to avoid hassles.

/haters gonna hate
 
2012-10-24 10:34:45 AM  

Girion47: willfullyobscure: gutterman: Avonmore: Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.

This is how I got in. I don't tend to originate at airports that have the program live yet, Austin is supposed to be getting it next year. Did get to use it going out of LGA last week. SOOO nice to be treated like a passenger and not a suspect. Bag on conveyor, phone and watch in bag, and that's it. Through security in 30 seconds.

And fark you too, you asshole.

Look, some of us have jobs that necessitate air travel. Just because we take advantage of easing the pain of air travel, doesn't make us assholes.


THIS.

It's bad enough some of us don't get compensated for travel time, and have to put travel time on ourselves so it doesn't intrude on billable hours.
 
2012-10-24 10:36:10 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

Want to know the best part? If you have a current background investigation, even one at a much higher level than required for the program, they still do another for the DHS/TSA program. Good use of taxpayers money, no?

/friends in high places
//ok, highish


"Cooperation of government agencies" - pure bullshiat.

My company paid for my investigation. The government probably knows more about me than I do, and yet I would have to pay them $100 for them to do through the same process? Arseholes
 
2012-10-24 10:38:42 AM  

Girion47: enry: I paid $20 the last time I took JetBlue and got a great seat and walked to the head of the security line at Logan. Totally worth it.

I wish they'd expand to slightly smaller airports like Louisville, best airline domestic airline there is.


I prefer Lexington. Small but nice.

Last year I worked in Louisville and Lexington for half the year. I always set up mg trips so I would arrive in Louisville, take care of business, drive to Lexington, take care of business, and fly out from there. Never more than about 5 people in line.
 
2012-10-24 10:39:13 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: So this is probably more a funcion of poor system implementation than using barcodes.


MuhPoynt. Yoo has fownded it.
 
2012-10-24 10:40:57 AM  

MBrady: "Cooperation of government agencies" - pure bullshiat.

My company paid for my investigation. The government probably knows more about me than I do, and yet I would have to pay them $100 for them to do through the same process? Arseholes


Makes me wonder - again I stopped traveling for work shortly before 9/11 (thank god). But one of my DC contracts was with DoD and my company paid for my security clearance screening to work on it.

So I would have been A-OK to go to my meetings at the Pentagon, but would have to pay extra to get cleared by the dumbfarks at TSA? Ridiculous.
 
2012-10-24 10:42:05 AM  

Walker: willfullyobscure: blackminded:
fark. YOU. ASSHOLE.

I'm the #1 TSA hater around. How does avoiding TSA hassles make me a TSA supporter? And the program is free. The money I paid is for the Global Entry program, which is also a good way to avoid hassles.

/haters gonna hate


because you enable it by choosing to get on the screening program. they invented it specifically to butter up the only people with enough leverage to force the TSA to change, frequent flying business customers. If you refused to sign up for it you might have been able to do something about the bullshiat. I know I have; screeners see me coming at my major hubs and they know I'm going to make a stink and they rush me right through. Last pat down i got took 5 seconds, quite literally.

most people don't have that option and the TSA walks all over them because it knows if it keeps the money-spinners happy, it can get away with all the horrible crap it wants for the rest of the populace.
 
2012-10-24 10:46:17 AM  
Christ.

You can read the code, but without the ability to index into their database, all you have is a string of numbers.
 
2012-10-24 10:46:21 AM  
They used to just print XXXXX on your boarding pass when you got extra screening. The ID checker person helpfully would highlight it.

Prior to 9/11, box cutters were A-OK to bring on an airplane. You could bring knives under 2" or something like that. You can currently bring a screwdriver if it is under 7" long. I can make a mess out of someone with a set keys.

If a small band of terrorists wants to bring down an airplane, they are going to bring it down. You could have everybody fly naked with no carry on items other than a government issued towel and have the luggage and other stuff carried in a chase plane and they could still do it. It doesn't take that much imagination to figure out how to do it.
 
2012-10-24 10:49:09 AM  
So cough up a little bribe money to prove you are not a terrorist... seems pretty stupid to me.
 
2012-10-24 10:49:46 AM  

willfullyobscure: yukonzangel: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

I'm part of it as well but did not need to go through all of that - I haven't paid anything and all I needed to do was sign up (no interviews or anything). It's been great going through security without having to do the whole rigamarole.

Oops, I missed you. Go fark yourself, you TSA cocksucker. You're making it worse for all of us by what you do and by supporting the TSA. Its because of people like you that kids get diddled and nudes shots of random people get leaked and the TSA can steal whatever they want from passengers and abuse the shiat out of cripples and old ladies.

fark you. In the ass, like a biatch, because you are one for signing up for pre screening.


citation please?
 
2012-10-24 10:51:11 AM  

meat0918: all you have is a string of numbers.


Well, some barcodes can encode text. Sounds like that's what they're using here.

Again, since this is all based on some sort of list that cross-references people by what sort of risk they presumably pose, I don't see how this is useful beyond predicting whether or not you should wear clean underwear that day.
 
2012-10-24 11:02:24 AM  

slykens1: Global Entry on its own is totally worth the money, even if you had to pay. I arrived at JFK a few months ago to Delta's disaster of a terminal 3. The passport control line was halfway back to the plane with probably 500-700 people waiting. I walked past all of them, used the kiosk, and cleared passport control in under two minutes. It's totally awesome and has the potential to save an hour or more on every use depending on where you fly into.


This +1000 if you fly internationally. At IAD, even the new international arrivals area can have an hour long immigration line if you arrive mid-afternoon during jumbo jet rush hour, particularly if you get in after the flight from Mexico City or one of the filghts from the middle east. Global Entry and Pre Check have saved me HOURS of my life I otherwise would not have gotten back. Last time I went through PDX, where they have Pre Check, I timed how long it took me to get from the start of the security line through the metal detector to having bags (including laptop and liquids) back in hand. Answer: 49 seconds. Prior to Pre Check I'd waited half an hour in that security line at the wrong time.
 
2012-10-24 11:07:26 AM  
cache.io9.com
I bet Jennifer saves a lot of time in airports.
 
2012-10-24 11:15:37 AM  

Warthog: This +1000 if you fly internationally.


Just pointing out for those who might not know:

Pre-Check only works on domestic flights. All Pre-Check members have to go through regular security for international unless they are also members of a program like Global Entry or NEXUS.
 
2012-10-24 11:17:51 AM  

Avonmore: Warthog: This +1000 if you fly internationally.

Just pointing out for those who might not know:

Pre-Check only works on domestic flights. All Pre-Check members have to go through regular security for international unless they are also members of a program like Global Entry or NEXUS.


Correct. I was praising signing up for Global Entry ($100 fee gets you five years access), because once you do that you become eligible for Precheck.
 
2012-10-24 11:28:00 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


The barcodes probably indicate what you told us here, which is all public information. ZOMG everybody panic!
 
2012-10-24 11:28:27 AM  

Diogenes: Girion47: willfullyobscure: gutterman: Avonmore: Diogenes: I wonder if I were still traveling 100% for business if my company would pick up the tab.



If you were still travelling 100% for business, there wouldn't be a tab to pick up. High level frequent fliers are automatically enrolled in Pre-Check. I use it all the time, never enrolled, no interviews, I just fly 100k miles a year.

Now that I think of it, the above is only true for people who fly AA or Delta, but it's still nice.

This is how I got in. I don't tend to originate at airports that have the program live yet, Austin is supposed to be getting it next year. Did get to use it going out of LGA last week. SOOO nice to be treated like a passenger and not a suspect. Bag on conveyor, phone and watch in bag, and that's it. Through security in 30 seconds.

And fark you too, you asshole.

Look, some of us have jobs that necessitate air travel. Just because we take advantage of easing the pain of air travel, doesn't make us assholes.

THIS.

It's bad enough some of us don't get compensated for travel time, and have to put travel time on ourselves so it doesn't intrude on billable hours.


I would be super pissed if any of my contracts required travel on my own time. Hell it's illegal for me to NOT bill travel hours to the client.

/happy dance
//but seriously, I feel for you.
 
2012-10-24 11:49:26 AM  

Girion47: It's bad enough some of us don't get compensated for travel time, and have to put travel time on ourselves so it doesn't intrude on billable hours.

I would be super pissed if any of my contracts required travel on my own time. Hell it's illegal for me to NOT bill travel hours to the client.

/happy dance
//but seriously, I feel for you.


Since my contracts were so long, the accommodation my company made was to let me get corporate apartments. It meant less going home on weekends. But it also meant I could fly light. I could leave my suits (and heavier clothes needed in winter) in DC. I also saved a ton on food since I could buy groceries and cook instead of eating out.
 
2012-10-24 12:04:32 PM  
TSA MUST DIE!/big>b>

There are some very good reasons why this is Security Theatre.
All of these reasons were explained to Congresscretters 10 years ago by the contractors hired to staff the folly.
When we explained why it took $55K per hire before training, they lowered the standards to "warm body".
When 35% of hires quit in the first 6 months, they went to pizza boxes.

Congress went with "This is a good lesson in authority the population needs."
 
2012-10-24 12:07:45 PM  

MBrady: ChubbyTiger: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

Want to know the best part? If you have a current background investigation, even one at a much higher level than required for the program, they still do another for the DHS/TSA program. Good use of taxpayers money, no?

/friends in high places
//ok, highish

"Cooperation of government agencies" - pure bullshiat.

My company paid for my investigation. The government probably knows more about me than I do, and yet I would have to pay them $100 for them to do through the same process? Arseholes


Send your $10 to some candidate other than the current bought and paid for bunch.
 
2012-10-24 12:10:19 PM  

snocone: Send your $10 to some candidate other than the current bought and paid for bunch.


There's a bunch out there that aren't bought and paid for?
 
2012-10-24 12:13:28 PM  

SkunkWerks: snocone: Send your $10 to some candidate other than the current bought and paid for bunch.

There's a bunch out there that aren't bought and paid for?


I wish.
 
Xai
2012-10-24 12:20:44 PM  
They aren't security. They touch up little kids then arrest their mothers to make us all feel secure.
 
2012-10-24 01:22:20 PM  
I don't know why they don't just progam a GUI in visual basic. Problem SOLVED.

/Yeeeeaaahhhh!!!!!
 
2012-10-24 02:41:45 PM  

snocone: MBrady: ChubbyTiger: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

Want to know the best part? If you have a current background investigation, even one at a much higher level than required for the program, they still do another for the DHS/TSA program. Good use of taxpayers money, no?

/friends in high places
//ok, highish

"Cooperation of government agencies" - pure bullshiat.

My company paid for my investigation. The government probably knows more about me than I do, and yet I would have to pay them $100 for them to do through the same process? Arseholes

Send your $10 to some candidate other than the current bought and paid for bunch.


Haven't found one that isn't as corrupt as the current bunch.
 
2012-10-24 04:59:29 PM  

Girion47: nmemkha: Coming soon to buses and trains!

That's the VIPER team, I shadowed them one week. They were going to ports, train stations, bus stations, stadiums etc... But they weren't screening, they were there looking at security weak points and making sure the local security team was on top of it.

Completely different people than the people at a checkpoint or checked baggage screening area.


Its only a matter of time. Some idiot teen will set off an M80 on a bus and BAM! Free groping for everyone!
 
2012-10-24 05:43:31 PM  

Sentient: Groups that use mag-stripe ID cards are also particularly egregious offenders, but at least I can't print a new stripe on my $15 DeskJet.


Yeah, you'd need a $35 card writer instead: Link
 
2012-10-24 06:54:55 PM  

Walker: blackminded: Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.

So I just checked the website. I have to be invited to the program as a "frequent traveler" of certain airlines? In other words, get back in line you poor piece of shiat, this line is for the wealthy?

/rats

Keep reading the site. I'm neither wealthy, nor a frequent flier, and was not invited to join. Just sign up for the Global Entry program. There's a $100 application fee and the Global Entry card is good for 5 years. Entry in that program gives you free entry to TSA Pre program. Be poor. Feel wealthy. Be treated like a SUPERSTAR.

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If you live near the Canadian border (or if you go to Canada frequently), sign up for NEXUS. It's $50, gets you expedited entry into Canada and you get Global Entry and TSA Precheck (US citizens only) free.

If you're a member of SENTRI (The US-Mexican expedited entry program), you also get Global Entry and TSA Precheck (US citizens only) for free.
 
2012-10-25 12:02:51 AM  

nmemkha: Girion47: nmemkha: Coming soon to buses and trains!

That's the VIPER team, I shadowed them one week. They were going to ports, train stations, bus stations, stadiums etc... But they weren't screening, they were there looking at security weak points and making sure the local security team was on top of it.

Completely different people than the people at a checkpoint or checked baggage screening area.

Its only a matter of time. Some idiot teen will set off an M80 on a bus and BAM! Free groping for everyone!


They can already pull over your car and search it if you drive onto the airport property, if you turn to avoid it, then you are targeted since you have something to hide.
 
2012-10-25 12:41:29 AM  

Walker: I'm in the "TSA-Pre" program. It was a pain to enroll in. I had to first enroll in the "Global Entry" program, get interviewed by Homeland Security, pay money, etc. but it was worth it. I used it for the first time last Saturday at Dulles Airport. There's a separate brand new screening area there. I got to keep everything in my backpack. There was no shoe removal, no jacket removal, no naked body scanners, no groping, I just walked right thru a metal detector and was on my way. It was like airport security in the 70's. No line either. I was the only one using it.


So you pay money and jump through a bunch of hoops to get exactly the screening everyone gets in my country for free.

Yep, I'm rubbing it in.
 
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