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(Christian Science Monitor)   Yup Apple is just like a crazy fringe cult minus the feel good aspect though it does have the revered (and sometimes deceased) prophet   (csmonitor.com) divider line 78
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2012-10-24 07:48:51 PM  
I'm laughing so hard right now.

Apple just announced a recall program for 21.5" and 27" iMac's with 1TB Seagate HDD's made between October 2009 and July 2011.

LOL!

http://www.apple.com/support/imac-harddrive/
 
2012-10-24 08:25:29 PM  

unlikely: Exactly wrong.

The venom against apple is every bit as emotional and heartfelt as some of the love that the venom is reacting to.
Those of us who really don't care and see each platform for its merits and flaws and make our choices according to our needs are the ones not collecting stamps.

The ones who hate or love a brand are just two sides of the same religion.



You're exactly wrong. The Apple cultists are addicted to the reward sensation. Apple has figured out a way to trigger the ventral striatum, which releases all those feel good chemicals into the brain.

What happens to the Apple haters is that when they see Mac Cultists acting like lab rats in a Skinner Box instead of rational human beings, it activates the amygdala, which causes a sensation of stress, anxiety, etc. The brain attempts to compensate, causing the Haters to lash out at the Cultists, which eases the negative sensation and balances everything out.
 
2012-10-24 09:26:48 PM  
As soon as I saw the person in the article was named Kristen Bell, I came here for some nice Kristen Bell pictures.

Way to piss in my Cheerios, Fark.
 
2012-10-24 09:51:09 PM  

Kaybeck: unlikely: Exactly wrong.

The venom against apple is every bit as emotional and heartfelt as some of the love that the venom is reacting to.
Those of us who really don't care and see each platform for its merits and flaws and make our choices according to our needs are the ones not collecting stamps.

The ones who hate or love a brand are just two sides of the same religion.


You're exactly wrong. The Apple cultists are addicted to the reward sensation. Apple has figured out a way to trigger the ventral striatum, which releases all those feel good chemicals into the brain.

What happens to the Apple haters is that when they see Mac Cultists acting like lab rats in a Skinner Box instead of rational human beings, it activates the amygdala, which causes a sensation of stress, anxiety, etc. The brain attempts to compensate, causing the Haters to lash out at the Cultists, which eases the negative sensation and balances everything out.


So you're saying it's "DING! *slobber*" all the way down?
 
2012-10-24 10:29:41 PM  

bingethinker: Leeds: And the Cult of Apple is going to suffer over this Christmas holiday.

Yesterday's iFail event was shockingly ill received.

Mostly by people who were going to complain no matter what, many of them paid shills. Let's see, the guy who was crowing about how Apple will fall behind because they only update their products once a year, is now complaining because they updated the iPad after only six months. Hmm, what could possibly be his motivation?

Calling Apple a cult is lazy thinking, and shows that you think parroting some lame anti-Apple propaganda will make you look smart or cool. Nope, you look like a loser.


Says the paid shill.

Cooper420: I'm laughing so hard right now.

Apple just announced a recall program for 21.5" and 27" iMac's with 1TB Seagate HDD's made between October 2009 and July 2011.

LOL!

http://www.apple.com/support/imac-harddrive/


It's kind of hard to fault Apple for this, they didn't make the drives and they're being proactive about the failures, I'm sure plenty of people here know that I don't really like the company but I still think a few of the complaints reach just a bit too far.
 
2012-10-24 10:48:55 PM  
More like a crazy mainstream cult. I mean can iPeople really think they're clever at this point?
 
2012-10-24 11:42:06 PM  

lordargent: unlikely: That's rational. It's different than the emotional arguments in the rest of the thread.
I'm vaguely sad that people can't see the difference.

I mean at the end of the day, I'm not really a Microsoft fan either (crappily designed software/hardware comes to mind). Buuuut

Since the iPhone 5 is out, I've had conversations with colleagues, and something just plain makes no sense to me.

Apple solders flash memory into their devices and charges huge premiums to go from one capacity to another, e.x. iPhone 5 pricing.

$199 16GB
$299 32GB
$399 64GB

A 32 gig name brand (SanDisk) micro SD card can be had for around $25 (a 64 gig for ~$60), their costs would be cheaper because they're not paying retail, IIRC they're also just using the internals (so not playing for the casing either). So how the hell does going from 16GB of internal storage to 32GB of internal storage cost an extra $200?

Even Dell didn't gouge this much on their laptop/desktop drives/ram.

So after all of this, I've come to a startling conclusion.

Apple is run by the Ferengi! Motivated by profit, willing to do anything they can get away with in order to acquire said profit. And when I started thinking of things with that in mind, it all started to make sense.

"We will build a rudimentary communication device, and charge the stupid hoo-mans $200 just to increase the memory ... using a part that's only worth $60, hahahahaha."

// the iPhone 5 uses SanDisk flash anyway (per ifixit).

// Would it kill them to put a micro SD slot on the iPhone?

// I guess if the prices were too close, people would just go for the larger capacity model. But then, why set up different assembly lines and make different SKUs.


Gotdang it. SD cards are NOT the same as the hardwired storage they are using. STOP making this faulty comparison.
 
2012-10-25 12:12:04 AM  
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-25 12:14:50 AM  

laivincolmo: Gotdang it. SD cards are NOT the same as the hardwired storage they are using. STOP making this faulty comparison.


Effectively they are.
 
2012-10-25 12:23:01 AM  

0Icky0: laivincolmo: Gotdang it. SD cards are NOT the same as the hardwired storage they are using. STOP making this faulty comparison.

Effectively they are.


No, they aren't. SD cards have slower read write times, coupled with extra hardware.
 
2012-10-25 01:07:02 AM  

laivincolmo: No, they aren't. SD cards have slower read write times, coupled with extra hardware.


My $60 Class 10 64GB card works brilliantly in my phone.
You just need to believe otherwise.
 
2012-10-25 01:29:04 AM  

0Icky0: laivincolmo: No, they aren't. SD cards have slower read write times, coupled with extra hardware.

My $60 Class 10 64GB card works brilliantly in my phone.
You just need to believe otherwise.


The key point is that it exists as secondary storage, not primary. Using it as primary storage as some are suggesting, is ridiculous. There's a good reason Google has been trending away from multiple partitions on Android.
 
2012-10-25 02:10:34 AM  
laivincolmo: Gotdang it. SD cards are NOT the same as the hardwired storage they are using. STOP making this faulty comparison.

I used retail pricing for equivalent SD cards in my original post because that's what I had readily available. Because at the end of the day, the only real difference is the speed of the NAND and the packaging (soldered right to the board vs in a plastic micro SD card). I figured the price difference in the memory sizes would be similar for the internal memory as well, because it's all NAND at the end of the day.

In my second post, the BOM from isuppli lists the components and includes the shelf price of the internal NAND memory.

The 16GB NAND flash module is only $10.40, the 64GB NAND flash is only $41.60. So going from 16GB to 64GB represents a cost increase of $31.2 to apple, but a $200 increase to the consumer.

You're arguing minutae about memory speed and packaging, but the reality doesn't support your arguments, there simply is no justification (other than massive profit) for the price premiums.
 
2012-10-25 02:22:44 AM  
laivincolmo: Gotdang it. SD cards are NOT the same as the hardwired storage they are using. STOP making this faulty comparison.

But if you still don't believe me.

Apple is also sourcing Hynix NAND

So I went and grabbed an image for you from the Hynix site. (this image shows the applications that their flash memory can be used for).

www.skhynix.com

Note the SD and Micro SD card.

//I worked in component supply for 10 years, moved over to IT because RoHS was a PITA.
 
2012-10-25 03:27:36 AM  

change1211: It's kind of hard to fault Apple for this, they didn't make the drives and they're being proactive about the failures, I'm sure plenty of people here know that I don't really like the company but I still think a few of the complaints reach just a bit too far.


I'm one of the people effected by this - I'll say, I've not had a hard drive problem in over 3 years, and I'm a fairly hard user on my HD's. My previous iMacs, a G5 and a Core Duo Intel "White" model, both had hard drive replacments. My Al iMac's HD is chugging away. I will get it replaced under the plan, but only after the initial burst of people is done. Right now it's like a 5 day wait time if you take it to an Apple Store. Even my local Apple reseller is quoting 4 days. Wait two weeks and I'll go to a movie and it'll be done. If it went tomorrow, I'd be fine anyway, thanks to my Time Machine backup. I could get it fixed and back running within an hour.
 
2012-10-25 03:30:09 AM  

lordargent: laivincolmo: Gotdang it. SD cards are NOT the same as the hardwired storage they are using. STOP making this faulty comparison.

I used retail pricing for equivalent SD cards in my original post because that's what I had readily available. Because at the end of the day, the only real difference is the speed of the NAND and the packaging (soldered right to the board vs in a plastic micro SD card). I figured the price difference in the memory sizes would be similar for the internal memory as well, because it's all NAND at the end of the day.

In my second post, the BOM from isuppli lists the components and includes the shelf price of the internal NAND memory.

The 16GB NAND flash module is only $10.40, the 64GB NAND flash is only $41.60. So going from 16GB to 64GB represents a cost increase of $31.2 to apple, but a $200 increase to the consumer.

You're arguing minutae about memory speed and packaging, but the reality doesn't support your arguments, there simply is no justification (other than massive profit) for the price premiums.


Every company does this. Google Nexus 7, the 8 gig baseline is 199, the 16 gig model is 249. Does that 8 gigs cost 50 bucks? No, of course not. But that's how pricing structures work on these fixed-memory devices.
 
2012-10-25 03:45:56 AM  

Leeds: And for the record, I own shares of APPL. I'm just wondering if I should dump it before it loses any more value than it already has since 1:00 yesterday when they first announced this latest product.


On a very down day in the market, Apple lost 10. They gained 3.5 today. Tuesday was a bad day overall, and almost all of AAPL's drop on Tuesday was right at the opening bell, same as the rest of the stock indexes. If you're an investor, you should probably look at a chart or two.

(yes I realize that's AAPL versus the DOW, but it was more clear.)

I wouldn't worry. iPad minis will sell like hotcakes. We geeks might sit here and discuss price for value but to the average consumer, they see a very nice, new shiny device that gives them everything the iPad apple offered in March would give them, but that they can hold one-handed and toss in their purse or briefcase easily. All the apps from their iPhone will work on it, or better, and they get to look cool with the newest thing on the block. It's also right in that spot where someone with some MAD money could buy it for themselves pre-holiday. Lots of these will be Christmas bonuses too.

The other announcements were good too: The Retina Display Macbook is gonna get a lot of eyes. I've had customers come into my store all ready asking for new iMacs. iBooks look gorgeous and I especially liked the function calculator built in for Math textbooks. That's going to be interesting to see what textbook developers can do with that. WHile I'm sure there's a few people annoyed their iPad 3's are "outdated" (I'd personally be happy with having the 30-pin for another 6-12 months, one reason I skipped iPhone 5 for now), I think that's outweighed by the people who will be getting them for Christmas.

The only disappointment to me yesterday was no new iTunes release date. Minor, but I feel it. I assume it'll be before the iPad mini's release date on Nov. 2 though.

Apple will do fine.
 
2012-10-25 05:59:26 AM  
saintstryfe: Every company does this. Google Nexus 7, the 8 gig baseline is 199, the 16 gig model is 249. Does that 8 gigs cost 50 bucks? No, of course not. But that's how pricing structures work on these fixed-memory devices.

That doesn't make it OK.

www.zdnet.com 

// not quite apple levels yet though, it's only a $50 difference :P
 
2012-10-25 06:56:44 AM  

unlikely: For the record, most of us find anyone who'd call someone a cultist for liking one brand or another to be just a little loony.

If you're likening Apple to a religion, you've pretty much got to recognize that the apple hate is also religious fanaticism and recognize you belong on those rolls.


Atheism is not a religion.

Damn these religious types see EVERYTHING as a damn religion.
 
2012-10-25 06:59:53 AM  

unlikely: Saborlas: unlikely: For the record, most of us find anyone who'd call someone a cultist for liking one brand or another to be just a little loony.

If you're likening Apple to a religion, you've pretty much got to recognize that the apple hate is also religious fanaticism and recognize you belong on those rolls.

The same way "NOT collecting stamps" is a hobby.

Exactly wrong.

The venom against apple is every bit as emotional and heartfelt as some of the love that the venom is reacting to.
Those of us who really don't care and see each platform for its merits and flaws and make our choices according to our needs are the ones not collecting stamps.

The ones who hate or love a brand are just two sides of the same religion.


Exactly wrong. It is like saying if you hate christianity and/or christians you must be religious, which makes no sense.

Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-10-25 09:04:30 AM  

dready zim: unlikely: For the record, most of us find anyone who'd call someone a cultist for liking one brand or another to be just a little loony.

If you're likening Apple to a religion, you've pretty much got to recognize that the apple hate is also religious fanaticism and recognize you belong on those rolls.

Atheism is not a religion.

Damn these religious types see EVERYTHING as a damn religion.


No. But it is possible to distort atheism into an ideology that roughly apes some of the externalities of religion.
 
2012-10-25 09:29:08 AM  

dready zim: Damn these religious types see EVERYTHING as a damn religion.


ibald
 
2012-10-25 09:59:11 AM  

DuudeStanky: If someone doesn't like the way a business operates or the products it sells,that person becomes part of a group dedicated to worshiping the hate of said company?

The same way that hating another religion makes the hater religious?


jso2897: But it is possible to distort atheism into an ideology that roughly apes some of the externalities of religion.


Both worshipping and hating involve a deep emotional response. The same goes for the form of aetheism which finds it necessary to attack everything religious. The opposite of worshipping something is not hating it, it is simply not giving a flying fark.
 
2012-10-25 01:07:58 PM  

lordargent: saintstryfe: Every company does this. Google Nexus 7, the 8 gig baseline is 199, the 16 gig model is 249. Does that 8 gigs cost 50 bucks? No, of course not. But that's how pricing structures work on these fixed-memory devices.

That doesn't make it OK.

[www.zdnet.com image 527x368] 

// not quite apple levels yet though, it's only a $50 difference :P


But you're only accosting Apple. It's exactly the same thing, but you are pointing at Apple as some special evil. You're being hypocritical at best.
 
2012-10-25 02:37:14 PM  
saintstryfe: But you're only accosting Apple. It's exactly the same thing, but you are pointing at Apple as some special evil. You're being hypocritical at best.

1) Apple just has the one phone, they provided no alternatives. You want an iOS phone with a removable SD card, you can't have it ... not yours. On the android side, most android phones have micro SD card slots (even if it's a PITA to get to on some phones). So while some android phones do have unresolvable memory, they are the exception and not the norm.

2) This article is about apple.

3) Like I said, just because other people are doing it doesn't make it right, and if more android phones start to do the same thing, I will gripe about that as well.

4) Right now, my biggest android gripe revolves around preinstalled, non removable bloatware (why the fark is there an AOL app on my phone!!) and how long it takes for upgrades to come out (farking Verizon/Motorola). You can find me in the next greenlit android thread.
 
2012-10-25 10:47:54 PM  

lordargent: 4) Right now, my biggest android gripe revolves around preinstalled, non removable bloatware (why the fark is there an AOL app on my phone!!) and how long it takes for upgrades to come out (farking Verizon/Motorola). You can find me in the next greenlit android thread.


That shouldn't be an Android gripe, but a service provider gripe.
My Android didn't come with any of that crap.
And my upgrades come as soon as they are released.

/Hong Kong, and loving it.
 
2012-10-27 03:25:27 AM  
Keep this in mind: Ever since animals were observed making tools, brand worship has been the one thing that separates us from the animals.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:48 AM  

jso2897: dready zim: unlikely: For the record, most of us find anyone who'd call someone a cultist for liking one brand or another to be just a little loony.

If you're likening Apple to a religion, you've pretty much got to recognize that the apple hate is also religious fanaticism and recognize you belong on those rolls.

Atheism is not a religion.

Damn these religious types see EVERYTHING as a damn religion.

No. But it is possible to distort atheism into an ideology that roughly apes some of the externalities of religion.


You can shave a dog but it doesn`t make it into a pig. You can be fanatical but that is about where the similarities end. The main defining aspect of organised religion is anthropomorphising natural phenomena. Something atheists do not do which is why atheism will never be a religion because a core tenet of atheism is *not* believing that. They are diametrically opposed concepts.

Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
 
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