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2012-10-23 08:03:03 PM  
Want a sign that Apple's competitors are running scared? Look at headlines like this one.
 
2012-10-23 08:49:52 PM  
Mini tablets seem useless to me anyway. Too big to be a phone, too small to be a useful tablet. I have a 10" tablet and would be thrilled if someone would give me a good 12 incher.

You heard me!
 
2012-10-23 08:53:27 PM  
Apple is a powerhouse no doubt about that, but it is losing steam. There are just so many people out there who are going to buy an iDevice. They've reached saturation and there is very little about the mini that makes me want one.
 
2012-10-23 08:55:06 PM  

Ghastly: Mini tablets seem useless to me anyway. Too big to be a phone, too small to be a useful tablet. I have a 10" tablet and would be thrilled if someone would give me a good 12 incher.

You heard me!


Don't believe what the Farkers tell you none of them have a twelve incher.
 
2012-10-23 09:01:57 PM  
I've got an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7, so aren't a fanboy of either, but this really is an underwhelming release to me. First, there's the older hardware inside and sub-Retina display. Second, for the price and the size, you may as well save a bit more and get a full-sized iPad if you really want an Apple tablet.
 
2012-10-23 09:19:38 PM  
Meh, I just don't have a glaring need that would justify me spending that kind of money on that kind of device.
 
2012-10-23 09:39:52 PM  
The first Kindle Fire, once applied with side loaded apps was a great entertainer of children at decent dining establishments. Slap a couple of ripped movies and some Blue's Clues on there and the boy ate all his dinner bites and let the Ex-Mrs. Maimway and I enjoy a nice dinner.
 
2012-10-23 09:42:21 PM  
Gizmodo is still around? Who knew ....
 
2012-10-23 09:45:59 PM  

gingerjet: Gizmodo is still around? Who knew ....


Pretty much everyone on Fark including you.
 
2012-10-23 09:48:10 PM  
Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.
 
2012-10-23 09:50:20 PM  
My 7 inch tablet is actually fairly useful. It fits nicely into the back pocket of my wife's handbag and I used it regularly this week. It was my first time to DC, so it was download maps of the Smithsonian, get travel maps to and from the hotel, download audio tours, find places to eat etc, etc. Worked out really well.when it was carried away. A 10 inch tablet is just too big for me to lug around all day unless I am doing business and specifically require something that size. Helps that there were so many free wifi spots around.
 
2012-10-23 09:52:21 PM  
iPad 3 and galaxy note owner here. I was going to sell the iPad and get two minis until they said the mini was $329. Apple has completely missed the point on mini tablets.
 
2012-10-23 09:53:07 PM  

Relatively Obscure: gingerjet: Gizmodo is still around? Who knew ....

Pretty much everyone on Fark including you.


The only time I see a reference to them is on Fark. And I stopped paying attention to them years ago when their high school flunkies were telling CIOs who run multinational IT departments how to do their job. They are equally talentless on the gadget front.
 
2012-10-23 09:54:02 PM  

limeyfellow: My 7 inch tablet is actually fairly useful. It fits nicely into the back pocket of my wife's handbag and I used it regularly this week. It was my first time to DC, so it was download maps of the Smithsonian, get travel maps to and from the hotel, download audio tours, find places to eat etc, etc. Worked out really well.when it was carried away. A 10 inch tablet is just too big for me to lug around all day unless I am doing business and specifically require something that size. Helps that there were so many free wifi spots around.


Which 7" tablet do you own?
 
2012-10-23 09:55:09 PM  

gingerjet: Relatively Obscure: gingerjet: Gizmodo is still around? Who knew ....

Pretty much everyone on Fark including you.

The only time I see a reference to them is on Fark. And I stopped paying attention to them years ago when their high school flunkies were telling CIOs who run multinational IT departments how to do their job. They are equally talentless on the gadget front.


So, yes, you knew ;)
 
2012-10-23 09:56:35 PM  
huh i thought my iPod already was an iPad mini.
 
2012-10-23 09:58:09 PM  

Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...


Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.
 
2012-10-23 09:59:39 PM  
I love apple hardware in general, but I feel like they missed the mark on the price point for this item. Get a refurbed iPad 2, a used 1st gen iPad or save the cash and buy a baseline iPad 3.
 
2012-10-23 10:00:52 PM  

bingethinker: Want a sign that Apple's competitors are running scared? Look at headlines like this one.


Sorry, dude, but this is a lame release. No wonder Jobs was so against it. Apple was never meant to be about compromise, which this iteration of the iPad is - a smaller version of the previous generation? At minimum $100 more expensive than a tablet that takes SD cards, and has a serious resolution advantage?

Pffft.

/apple fanboi
 
2012-10-23 10:04:57 PM  
Bought a Nexus 7 about two months ago. There has been zero reason to regret this decision. Love it.
 
2012-10-23 10:05:09 PM  
Kindles suck because of Amazon's DRM.

iPad or or Google Nexus is a much better choice.
 
2012-10-23 10:05:48 PM  

uttertosh: bingethinker: Want a sign that Apple's competitors are running scared? Look at headlines like this one.

Sorry, dude, but this is a lame release. No wonder Jobs was so against it. Apple was never meant to be about compromise, which this iteration of the iPad is - a smaller version of the previous generation? At minimum $100 more expensive than a tablet that takes SD cards, and has a serious resolution advantage?

Pffft.

/apple fanboi


And yet, people will eat it up, thinking it's the same as the newest iPad except in a smaller casing.
 
2012-10-23 10:07:31 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: iPad 3 and galaxy note owner here. I was going to sell the iPad and get two minis until they said the mini was $329. Apple has completely missed the point on mini tablets.


Seriously. At $250, maybe it might have been worth a look. Too bad it's $80 more than that. Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.
 
2012-10-23 10:09:14 PM  
I got a Kindle Fire as a door prize at a business lunch.

The thing is freaking awesome. I never contemplated ever getting a tablet as I have a smartphone and a laptop, but damn if that thing isn't awesome for randomly surfing the web while sitting on the couch watching TV.

iPads are cool, but they always seem too big. Perhaps in a bigger office setting. But, the Kindle Fire is a damn awesome piece of tech for $200.
 
2012-10-23 10:09:21 PM  

uttertosh: bingethinker: Want a sign that Apple's competitors are running scared? Look at headlines like this one.

Sorry, dude, but this is a lame release. No wonder Jobs was so against it. Apple was never meant to be about compromise, which this iteration of the iPad is - a smaller version of the previous generation? At minimum $100 more expensive than a tablet that takes SD cards, and has a serious resolution advantage?

Pffft.

/apple fanboi


Yeah, Apple totally screwed up the pricing on this.

Remember, the original iPad became such a runaway success in part because it was cheap. It was impossible at that time to find a 10" tablet with as good hardware anywhere near as cheap as $500. It took years for the Android tablet makers to get their 10" tablets down to be price-competitive with the iPad.

Now Apple is forgetting hat lesson and introducing a 7" tablet that's $100+ more expensive than its main competitors (Fire, Nook, Nexus 7).
 
2012-10-23 10:09:32 PM  

Ghastly: Mini tablets seem useless to me anyway. Too big to be a phone, too small to be a useful tablet. I have a 10" tablet and would be thrilled if someone would give me a good 12 incher.

You heard me!


I hear ya! (And I chuckled.) I was drooling over the 11.8" 2560x1600 tablet that Samsung was supposed to release in early 2012. Absolutely perfect for comic books. Same size as a comic book page, nearly the same resolution as print. Still waiting. Now there are strong rumors that Google will announce a 10.1" 2560x1600 tablet on Monday. This time ,for sure!

I don't want it just for comics. I also want it for eBooks. I can finally have text as sharp as print and detailed images.
 
2012-10-23 10:09:38 PM  
Nook color is the winner if you want to keep little Johnny or Suzy away from your expensive tablet. I format them and install full ICS for people and have made some nice beer and whiskey money doing so.
 
2012-10-23 10:11:22 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.


I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:05 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.


Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!
 
2012-10-23 10:17:20 PM  

IMDWalrus: Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.


Apple is a good choice for non tech-savvy people.

I have friends and acquaintances who can't understand how to save a Word file on their computer and email it to somebody. They might print it out and fax it (I am not kidding).

I would rather drink hemlock than try to teach them to use an Android device.

But they CAN figure how to work their iPods and iPhones and iPads. Nobody approaches Apple for great interface design.
 
2012-10-23 10:19:28 PM  
The mini pricing doesn't bother me that much...though it should be a little lower at about $300; I think the iPod touch at $299 is more insane.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:05 PM  
"The Kindle Fire HD's got Kindle e-textbooks and fbreader. The iPad Mini's got iBooks and Kindle e-textbooks"


FTFY.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:42 PM  

hawcian: And yet, people will eat it up, thinking it's the same as the newest iPad except in a smaller casing.


Maybe... Brand loyalty is one of the hardest things to break, but, for me, this is on par with what sony did to their mid-low priced TV's in the early to mid 90's (imo) Change the plastic housing, keep the innards, charge nearly double for this year's model.

I lost my appetite just thinking about this. I may puke in a while. WTF, Apple? W.T.F.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:44 PM  

Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


Ya, to hell with all that exercise and outdoor activity and healthy stuff. Who needs sunlight anyway, rickets isn't a real disease, let's focus on more technology in the classroom.

If your school is of the age to need a playground, getting new toys isn't the best investment given the life span of each and the general mindset of people that age.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:51 PM  

hawcian: And yet, people will eat it up, thinking it's the same as the newest iPad except in a smaller casing.


A smaller case is kinda important for a portable device
 
2012-10-23 10:26:39 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!


Because I had a fairly extensive nook library before I had a tablet, I chose to spend $35 and purchase a bootable SD card for my nook. So now I have the nook tablet that is still a nook tablet and I can pop the sd card in and have a fully functioning Android tablet. Best of both worlds. I'm sure the tech savvy could probably make their own bootable SD card as well, and skip the $35 part.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:13 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: iPad 3 and galaxy note owner here. I was going to sell the iPad and get two minis until they said the mini was $329. Apple has completely missed the point on mini tablets.


It's a shrunken iPad 2 and they didn't take anything out. It's similar to their refusal to make a netbook and make those people choose between the iPad and the MacBook Air. If you look at the price points of the current iPod touch line ($299 for 32GB) then $329 for the iPad mini was inevitable. Maybe it could have been $299 but it's probably going to sell out at $329.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:11 PM  
It's an option. Could do well in schools/institutions.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:45 PM  
iPad Mini = Apple completely jumping the shark.

1.- Steve Jobs didn't want it. Which means they ran out of things Steve would DO and started doing the things Steve specifically rejected. Uh-oh Apple.

2.- They're playing catch-up here. That's insane. Apple either breaks into markets without much competition (all-in-one computers, iPods, Smartphones) or creates new markets altogether (personal computer, iPad, even the iPhone to some extent.) That's how they get insane margins and brand positioning.

This launch is SO un-Apple it's unbelievable.

Next year: iPad Micro (or how you know it currently: iPod Touch but with an iPhone5 screen).
 
2012-10-23 10:38:21 PM  
Meanwhile, the Nexus 7 is cheaper and better in every way, and the Nexus 10 next monday will destroy the high-end tablet market
 
2012-10-23 10:39:31 PM  
I'm shocked Gizmodo would be against an Apple product, especially since they were the ones who paid money to someone who found a pre-release iPhone in a bar. Then Apple got the lawyers after Gizmodo to get the phone back, after which Apple barred Gizmo from any Apple events. I'm shocked, I tell ya!

Khellendros: Bought a Nexus 7 about two months ago. There has been zero reason to regret this decision. Love it.

The 4.1.2 update to give it landscape view on the homescreen was really needed. It is a good tablet, though I wish Google would just put a SD slot on their Nexus products.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:24 PM  
I love my iPad, but I have had several different ~7" tablets, and they're all just plain WRONG sized. 10" makes sense for a laptop replacement and productivity device. My Android phone is great for a pocket computer. But the 7" tablets are all in that "too big for the pocket, too small to be comfortable reading" area. They suck for web browsing, and aren't much good to me as a writer. The 10" iPad is big enough that I can type a page on it and it's pretty close to typing on a piece of regular paper-- That is, I can see the page well and don't have to get in close or squint.

I think the iPad mini would have been great for people as a media consumption device in the same category as the Kindle Fire, but then Apple had to go and overprice the thing. Stupid.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:31 PM  

jaytkay: Kindles suck because of Amazon's DRM.

iPad or or Google Nexus is a much better choice.


Kindle Fire is great for people who are getting a tablet for the first time, or for those getting one for their young kids. The Nexus is just too Androidy for beginners, and the iPad is too expensive for casual users.

That said, I've had several tablets-- Samsung Galaxy Tab, several cheap-o Android tablets, the Nook, the Kindle Fire, and a few others-- and none of them have pleased me the way my iPad has. I sold my iPad, tried the Android tablets, and then ended up going back to iPad because it was just plain BETTER at productivity apps.

But I love Android for my phone.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:08 PM  

jaytkay: IMDWalrus: Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.

Apple is a good choice for non tech-savvy people.

I have friends and acquaintances who can't understand how to save a Word file on their computer and email it to somebody. They might print it out and fax it (I am not kidding).

I would rather drink hemlock than try to teach them to use an Android device.

But they CAN figure how to work their iPods and iPhones and iPads. Nobody approaches Apple for great moron-proof interface design.


FTFY.

If my mom, one of the most astonishingly technologically inept people on the planet, can use (and love) an Android device, then anyone can use an Android device.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:18 PM  
But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:36 PM  

kroonermanblack: Ya, to hell with all that exercise and outdoor activity and healthy stuff. Who needs sunlight anyway, rickets isn't a real disease, let's focus on more technology in the classroom.


The kids are doing just fine without a playground. They're outside on the field several times a day (in addition to indoor government-mandated daily physical activity), running around and using - gasp - their imaginations. We provide them with balls, frisbees, jump ropes, etc. They get their outdoor activity in spades.

Having a playground will result in more stupid arguments and kids running around less. The playground is more for the parents, just so they can say the school has one, like the other school in town. That's all it is. Is this worth more than most people pay for their condos around here? Nope.

If your school is of the age to need a playground, getting new toys isn't the best investment given the life span of each and the general mindset of people that age.

The iPads are great for student engagement. There's so many great apps for research content creation, giving students opportunities to show me what they know. They can do everything on one device, and not just sitting in a chair in a lab. If you're trying to design a universal learning environment, tablets such as our iPads are the way to go. The students are incredibly careful with the iPads, and we keep ours in big cases.

If you're in an inquiry-based school like mine, iPads are great. 1:1 is the way of the future, and the iPad mini will bring many schools there more quickly.
 
2012-10-23 10:52:12 PM  

EvilEgg: Ghastly: Mini tablets seem useless to me anyway. Too big to be a phone, too small to be a useful tablet. I have a 10" tablet and would be thrilled if someone would give me a good 12 incher.

You heard me!

Don't believe what the Farkers tell you none of them have a twelve incher.


True. Mine is 16". I can swivel my hips and stun a baby seal with it.
 
2012-10-23 10:54:03 PM  
I'll stick with my Nexus 7.. Especially after Staples awesome incompetence selling the 32GB versions for a day a week early.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-23 10:55:37 PM  

Ess_Aytch: The iPads are great for student engagement. There's so many great apps for research content creation...


Creating?

??

Point and click seems like a great platform for consuming content.
 
2012-10-23 10:59:21 PM  
Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"
 
2012-10-23 10:59:46 PM  
A broken Kindle Fire HD, on the other hand, is a bit less of a financial tragedy

Inside the warranty period, they'll ship you a new unit second day no questions asked. Be sure to return the remains of the "defective" unit for full credit.
 
2012-10-23 10:59:49 PM  
When you're streaming some movies on the couch, you're going to want a Kindle Fire HD.

No, if I'm on the couch, I'll just turn on the TV and watch it on a 55 inch screen instead.
 
2012-10-23 11:00:39 PM  

Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


$250,000 for a new playground or new ipads + high load bearing chairs. Hmmmmmmmm...
 
2012-10-23 11:05:20 PM  
They blew it on the price point. The rest fine, but why buy this when come Monday I will be able to get the Nexus 7 for 99$
 
2012-10-23 11:09:12 PM  
If I want 10", I can haul out a netbook... and type on it! With an integrated keyboard, that also covers the screen when folded up. Ooooh! Neat-o!

7" tablets just make more sense for people who are actually mobile & have to be mobile. Anything I want to consume on a larger tablet, I can do just fine on a 7" tablet or phone or iPod Touch.

/Comics? The way the Comixology app browses the panels is awesome, even on a phone or the iPod Touch.
 
2012-10-23 11:09:47 PM  

skinink: I'm shocked Gizmodo would be against an Apple product, especially since they were the ones who paid money to someone who found a pre-release iPhone in a bar. Then Apple got the lawyers after Gizmodo to get the phone back, after which Apple barred Gizmo from any Apple events. I'm shocked, I tell ya!

Khellendros: Bought a Nexus 7 about two months ago. There has been zero reason to regret this decision. Love it.
The 4.1.2 update to give it landscape view on the homescreen was really needed. It is a good tablet, though I wish Google would just put a SD slot on their Nexus products.


Yeah you could have done landscape home screen with a simple launcher app. Apex or nova launcher works dandy. Thats the beauty of android. If you don't like how it works, find an app and change it.
 
2012-10-23 11:12:15 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!


19.media.tumblr.com

Will probably get the Nook HD+
 
2012-10-23 11:13:09 PM  

jaytkay: Ess_Aytch: The iPads are great for student engagement. There's so many great apps for research content creation...

Creating?

??

Point and click seems like a great platform for consuming content.


Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school. Everything the students need is in one piece of equipment. Sitting in front of a computer all day doesn't make for a great ULE, and it's simply more engaging.
 
2012-10-23 11:14:29 PM  

wildsnowllama: Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

$250,000 for a new playground or new ipads + high load bearing chairs. Hmmmmmmmm...


I'm going to assume you missed my earlier post about the field, DPA, imagination, etc.
 
2012-10-23 11:17:17 PM  

Ess_Aytch: Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school.


What are they "creating" on a tablet?
 
2012-10-23 11:17:25 PM  

Ess_Aytch: jaytkay: Ess_Aytch: The iPads are great for student engagement. There's so many great apps for research content creation...

Creating?

??

Point and click seems like a great platform for consuming content.

Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school. Everything the students need is in one piece of equipment. Sitting in front of a computer all day doesn't make for a great ULE, and it's simply more engaging.


Creating? Lmao! I get a kick when my kids see my windows laptop running Mac OSx and say, "hey that looks like a smart board"

Wtf is a smart board, kid? Come here and let me show you how to use tech you paid for anyway you want to use it.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:06 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW AOKP FTW!!!


FTFY..

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-23 11:25:18 PM  
book it, the iPad mini will get a gigantic overhaul in less than 9 months. It will get a double resolution screen using the shrunken 32nm guts of the now completely discontinued iPad 3. Price will be $299. Apple loves making the first adopters of new product lines pay out their ass.
 
2012-10-23 11:40:25 PM  

Ess_Aytch: wildsnowllama: Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

$250,000 for a new playground or new ipads + high load bearing chairs. Hmmmmmmmm...

I'm going to assume you missed my earlier post about the field, DPA, imagination, etc.


Probably a safe assumption.
 
2012-10-23 11:41:05 PM  

drewsclues: book it, the iPad mini will get a gigantic overhaul in less than 9 months. It will get a double resolution screen using the shrunken 32nm guts of the now completely discontinued iPad 3. Price will be $299. Apple loves making the first adopters of new product lines pay out their ass.


Exactly what I was thinking this afternoon. Apple completely messed this up with both iPads. The mini and the iPad 3 are glorified scams. Killing the iPad 3 just 6 months after announcing it is just wrong and against everything Apple. I mean, hate Steve Jobs all you want (and there's definitely things worth hating about him); but at least he established the schedule of revealing a new version every year which was good for Apple's customers. But Tim Cook et al. called those iPad 3 buyers "suckers" today. And the mini, as it's been said a million times now, is a iPad 2 that got shot by a shrink ray. The 2nd Generation iPad mini will almost certainly be a shrunken iPad 3 and that will actually make some sense.

Anyone who goes and buys an iPad mini is an idiot. Save the money and wait a few months.
 
2012-10-23 11:48:13 PM  

styckx: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW AOKP FTW!!!

FTFY..

[i.imgur.com image 800x1280]


AOKP is good. I will give you that. I have tried them all. I am what they call a rom flashing addict. I flashed Paranoidandroid 2.5, which is android jellybean in hybrid/phablet mod. I had issues so reverted back to deodexed ICS.
 
2012-10-23 11:48:27 PM  
The iPad Mini is too small... most women prefer the iPad Maxi.
 
2012-10-23 11:50:08 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!


I'm running CM7 on my Nook Color. It works fine for me but I think it's too fiddly for someone who isn't a techie. I thought B&N locked the boot loader of the Nook Tablet and Nook HD so you couldn't install alternative ROMs. I haven't been paying attention, has that changed in the last few months?
 
2012-10-23 11:50:30 PM  
I'll prolly pick up a mini or a 3 in the next week because the apps are so developed. I use the eBay app the most--and if you read the reviews on the new android eBay app, it sucks. Apple's is almost awesome. Calculated shipping, etc. I'm a seller. Surprised with the 5 mp cam on the mini. I think the 3 has 8mp. That built in camera will save me time and money... No need to take sd cards out of the expensive Nikon, and waste those shutter clicks. For the thousand dollar items, I'll bust out the D, and the lights.

Wife wanted a prime. She got it. It's nice. eBay app sucks. iPhone is decent for surfing...

Whoever said students take care of iPads is smoking rocks. I buy them at auction from the schools, and most look like they've had a pick hammer taken to the screen. I don't care--I still get 80% of their value with a mangled unit. Fan bois are effing stupid--but I will accept their money.
 
2012-10-23 11:51:25 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: styckx: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW AOKP FTW!!!

FTFY..

[i.imgur.com image 800x1280]

AOKP is good. I will give you that. I have tried them all. I am what they call a rom flashing addict. I flashed Paranoidandroid 2.5, which is android jellybean in hybrid/phablet mod. I had issues so reverted back to deodexed ICS.


BTW I am getting a kick posting this from my iPad 3 while my galaxy note is charging.
 
2012-10-23 11:54:33 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!

I'm running CM7 on my Nook Color. It works fine for me but I think it's too fiddly for someone who isn't a techie. I thought B&N locked the boot loader of the Nook Tablet and Nook HD so you couldn't install alternative ROMs. I haven't been paying attention, has that changed in the last few months?


I'm not sure, but I am sure the xda guys have it figured out. I am almost certain they got past the locked boot loader on the nook tablet. Not so much the nook hd
 
2012-10-23 11:56:25 PM  
I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass
 
2012-10-24 12:00:25 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!

I'm running CM7 on my Nook Color. It works fine for me but I think it's too fiddly for someone who isn't a techie. I thought B&N locked the boot loader of the Nook Tablet and Nook HD so you couldn't install alternative ROMs. I haven't been paying attention, has that changed in the last few months?

I'm not sure, but I am sure the xda guys have it figured out. I am almost certain they got past the locked boot loader on the nook tablet. Not so much the nook hd


Almost forgot to mention my 13 year old rolls with a nook color with cyangenmod 9 as his daily driver and never blinks an eye. Overclocked to 1.1ghz. Paid a whopping $80 for it on craigs list and fixed it up for him. Works for everything he wants. It's even content locked so no pron for him.
 
2012-10-24 12:04:17 AM  
would be thrilled if someone would give me a good 12 incher.

that is totally ghey, just like Apple
 
2012-10-24 12:04:43 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass


I need to see the MS tablets run legacy software before I am sold on it. If it will run Autocad, ArcGIS Desktop, Revit, or basically run any windows software then I am sold. The thing is I can not find a definitive answer on whether the MS tablets will run legacy software whether it be the RT or the pro. They need to put up or shut up.
 
2012-10-24 12:06:44 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass


Smart glass works on all devices. Android, iOS, and Surface
 
2012-10-24 12:07:48 AM  

styckx: I'll stick with my Nexus 7.. Especially after Staples awesome incompetence selling the 32GB versions for a day a week early.


Winning! I bought an Asus Transformer last year and I love it for the keyboard, but that price for a 32GB Nexus is fantastic.
 
2012-10-24 12:08:57 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: I'm not sure, but I am sure the xda guys have it figured out. I am almost certain they got past the locked boot loader on the nook tablet. Not so much the nook hd

Almost forgot to mention my 13 year old rolls with a nook color with cyangenmod 9 as his daily driver and never blinks an eye. Overclocked to 1.1ghz. Paid a whopping $80 for it on craigs list and fixed it up for him. Works for everything he wants. It's even content locked so no pron for him.


Where there's pron there's a way :) . I'm kind of glad pron wasn't as easy to get when I was 13 as it is now, I would have never left the bathroom.

If I were going to buy a 7" tab today I'd get a Nexus 7 in a heartbeat. My daughter bought one a few weeks ago and it's a really nice device - much quicker and smoother than my Nook Color.

/ Posted from my cheap old netbook
// Still can't type for shiat on a touchscreen
 
2012-10-24 12:10:36 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass

I need to see the MS tablets run legacy software before I am sold on it. If it will run Autocad, ArcGIS Desktop, Revit, or basically run any windows software then I am sold. The thing is I can not find a definitive answer on whether the MS tablets will run legacy software whether it be the RT or the pro. They need to put up or shut up.


Way I'm hearing it (not necessarily actually true) is that the Surface RT is ARM Windows 8. So if they don't have ARM binaries, they can't run them on your computer. And everything will have to come through the App Store anyways (ARM Windows), which means a 30% jack in the price, since MSFT needs to take their cut.

/Now the Pro is x86, so maybe. I don't know how powerful it'll be though.
 
2012-10-24 12:12:55 AM  

rocky_howard: 1.- Steve Jobs didn't want it. Which means they ran out of things Steve would DO and started doing the things Steve specifically rejected. Uh-oh Apple.


I think you're right here, but Jobs's opinions were not as good about software as he would have liked to think. Hardware, sure, but really he just yelled at the best people in the world until they gave him something he liked. I think OSX and iOS are going to get really awesome over the next few years without his "guidance".

rocky_howard: 2.- They're playing catch-up here. That's insane. Apple either breaks into markets without much competition (all-in-one computers, iPods, Smartphones) or creates new markets altogether (personal computer, iPad, even the iPhone to some extent.) That's how they get insane margins and brand positioning.


Apple is filling in the gaps here. What should they have come out with? Some crazy thing that none of us can even imagine? What are they, magic?

They make computer shiat. They also make keyboards, mice, wifi routers and various me-too things that companies make. Not everything Apple does has to drag the cum out of every nerd's dick.
 
2012-10-24 12:21:07 AM  
The Kindle Fire (not HD) fits in my pocket. The mini-iPad and the Kindle HD won't. Kindle Fire for the win.
 
2012-10-24 12:24:31 AM  
I've got a Samsung Galaxy Note phone and it does everything I need a tablet to do when I am on the go. For bigger tablet stuff, I got the Galaxy Note 10.1, which kicks ass over any tablet I have tried. Photoshop works great with the pen and so does S-note. It's one of if not the most powerful tablets on the market right now with a quad core 1.4 gHz processor, and I paid $499 for the 32 GB wifi version. The Ipad 3 is, what? $500 for only a 16GB?

Now that Apple has abandoned the ipad 3 months after shipping I hope some people see the light and quit buying apple. Ipad 3 and ipad mini are the biggest customer rape jobs in recent history.

/Hope Samsung sues the nads off apple for copying the Galaxy Note series with the Mini
 
2012-10-24 12:26:49 AM  

mccallcl:
Apple is filling in the gaps here. What should they have come out with? Some crazy thing that none of us can even imagine? What are they, magic?

They make computer shiat. They also make keyboards, mice, wifi routers and various me-too things that companies make. Not everything Apple does has to drag the cum out of every nerd's dick.


But that's exactly the way they market themselves to the world. "It just works", "automagically", etc. So don't blame me for holding them up to their self-inflicted standard.

Yes, I realize you can't make quantum leaps in every iteration, but that's exactly why creating ultra high expectations on the public is a bad investment long term.

Since the beginning, Apple's trick has been overselling their products, and oversell them by quite a margin. They tried to pass off the 1984 OG Macintosh as having speech capable AI or talking about how it'll make you a regular van Gogh with its graphics, On a freaking 7 Mhz CPU and with 128K of RAM! Not even the most powerful i7 desktop with 32 GB of RAM can be true AI (although we can become regular Van Goghs now thanks to Photoshop/Painter lol).
 
2012-10-24 12:31:49 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass

I need to see the MS tablets run legacy software before I am sold on it. If it will run Autocad, ArcGIS Desktop, Revit, or basically run any windows software then I am sold. The thing is I can not find a definitive answer on whether the MS tablets will run legacy software whether it be the RT or the pro. They need to put up or shut up.


Surface Pro is where you can keep using your classic Windows stuff.
Surface RT is for touch stuff only.

That's definitive.
 
2012-10-24 12:46:54 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Ess_Aytch: jaytkay: Ess_Aytch: The iPads are great for student engagement. There's so many great apps for research content creation...

Creating?

??

Point and click seems like a great platform for consuming content.

Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school. Everything the students need is in one piece of equipment. Sitting in front of a computer all day doesn't make for a great ULE, and it's simply more engaging.

Creating? Lmao! I get a kick when my kids see my windows laptop running Mac OSx and say, "hey that looks like a smart board"

Wtf is a smart board, kid? Come here and let me show you how to use tech you paid for anyway you want to use it.


smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.
 
2012-10-24 12:53:09 AM  

rocky_howard: that's exactly why creating ultra high expectations on the public is a bad investment long term.

Since the beginning, Apple's trick has been overselling their products, and oversell them by quite a margin


Yeah, that Apple company has just been fooling everybody for decades.

If only the Apple stockholders knew THE TRUTH!1!! behind their phony gains.

You should stand on street corners and shout at people about how this is WRONG!!

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-10-24 01:00:20 AM  

rocky_howard: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass

I need to see the MS tablets run legacy software before I am sold on it. If it will run Autocad, ArcGIS Desktop, Revit, or basically run any windows software then I am sold. The thing is I can not find a definitive answer on whether the MS tablets will run legacy software whether it be the RT or the pro. They need to put up or shut up.

Surface Pro is where you can keep using your classic Windows stuff.
Surface RT is for touch stuff only.

That's definitive.


Have you seen this with anything besides bullshiat software like office? Can you point me to something showing Surface Pro running Civil 3d, or maybe full fledge cs6? Until I can see something besides "on paper" claims I will stick to Splashtop from galaxy note and iPad. At least with a $10 app I can play my precious Diablo 3, and remotely do whatever the hell I want on my big arse energy sucking gaming rig wherever I am with an Internet connection.

/prove me wrong
//I will preorder one ASAP
 
2012-10-24 01:06:56 AM  

jaytkay: rocky_howard: that's exactly why creating ultra high expectations on the public is a bad investment long term.

Since the beginning, Apple's trick has been overselling their products, and oversell them by quite a margin

Yeah, that Apple company has just been fooling everybody for decades.

If only the Apple stockholders knew THE TRUTH!1!! behind their phony gains.

You should stand on street corners and shout at people about how this is WRONG!!

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 453x188]


LOL, take off the fanboi glasses pal. I never said Apple wasn't successful. In fact, I did say the exact opposite.

Troll harder.
 
2012-10-24 01:10:24 AM  

jaytkay: rocky_howard: that's exactly why creating ultra high expectations on the public is a bad investment long term.

Since the beginning, Apple's trick has been overselling their products, and oversell them by quite a margin

Yeah, that Apple company has just been fooling everybody for decades.

If only the Apple stockholders knew THE TRUTH!1!! behind their phony gains.

You should stand on street corners and shout at people about how this is WRONG!!

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 453x188]


Oh also "decades"? Going by your very own graphic, it shows Apple was pretty much comatose before the iPod became the defacto mp3 player.

Also, lol at you posting stock market prices as if that info matters at all outside the stock market.
 
2012-10-24 01:17:40 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: rocky_howard: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass

I need to see the MS tablets run legacy software before I am sold on it. If it will run Autocad, ArcGIS Desktop, Revit, or basically run any windows software then I am sold. The thing is I can not find a definitive answer on whether the MS tablets will run legacy software whether it be the RT or the pro. They need to put up or shut up.

Surface Pro is where you can keep using your classic Windows stuff.
Surface RT is for touch stuff only.

That's definitive.

Have you seen this with anything besides bullshiat software like office? Can you point me to something showing Surface Pro running Civil 3d, or maybe full fledge cs6? Until I can see something besides "on paper" claims I will stick to Splashtop from galaxy note and iPad. At least with a $10 app I can play my precious Diablo 3, and remotely do whatever the hell I want on my big arse energy sucking gaming rig wherever I am with an Internet connection.

/prove me wrong
//I will preorder one ASAP


Fwiw, I've done porting of a 3-d intensive app to integrated graphics. My experience with the integrated graphics on sandybridge and ivybridge is that they are able to handle most things aside from newer games or overly complicated CAD models with a decent frame rate.

Unfortunately, I just don't think the price tag on the surface pro makes it at all interesting. For what I assume its going to cost, why not just get an ultra book?
 
2012-10-24 01:23:39 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Have you seen this with anything besides bullshiat software like office? Can you point me to something showing Surface Pro running Civil 3d, or maybe full fledge cs6? Until I can see something besides "on paper" claims I will stick to Splashtop from galaxy note and iPad. At least with a $10 app I can play my precious Diablo 3, and remotely do whatever the hell I want on my big arse energy sucking gaming rig wherever I am with an Internet connection.

/prove me wrong
//I will preorder one ASAP


If your current programs run on Window 7 then it can run on the Pro. Link
 
2012-10-24 01:33:28 AM  

mtb9000: Unfortunately, I just don't think the price tag on the surface pro makes it at all interesting. For what I assume its going to cost, why not just get an ultra book?


The price is high because it's not loaded with OEM bloat that pushes current PC prices down.
/Think Microsoft Signature line of PC's that you can only get from the Microsoft store Link
 
2012-10-24 01:35:44 AM  

jaytkay: Yeah, that Apple company has just been fooling everybody for decades.

If only the Apple stockholders knew THE TRUTH!1!! behind their phony gains.

You should stand on street corners and shout at people about how this is WRONG!!


Funny, your scale only barely shows that their stock has lost nearly $100 (~14%) in value in the past month. (well, $87.35 since Sept. 21)
 
2012-10-24 01:38:58 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Have you seen this with anything besides bullshiat software like office? Can you point me to something showing Surface Pro running Civil 3d, or maybe full fledge cs6? Until I can see something besides "on paper" claims I will stick to Splashtop from galaxy note and iPad. At least with a $10 app I can play my precious Diablo 3, and remotely do whatever the hell I want on my big arse energy sucking gaming rig wherever I am with an Internet connection.

/prove me wrong
//I will preorder one ASAP

If your current programs run on Window 7 then it can run on the Pro. Link


that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.
 
2012-10-24 01:41:18 AM  
Some apple/Facebook server just took a huge shiat.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4463083?start=15&tstart=0
 
2012-10-24 01:42:29 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: mtb9000: Unfortunately, I just don't think the price tag on the surface pro makes it at all interesting. For what I assume its going to cost, why not just get an ultra book?

The price is high because it's not loaded with OEM bloat that pushes current PC prices down.
/Think Microsoft Signature line of PC's that you can only get from the Microsoft store Link


Because Ultra books have shiat GPUs. That's why. Intel GPUs are an abomination.
 
2012-10-24 01:44:55 AM  

try fect taa daa: Some apple/Facebook server just took a huge shiat.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4463083?start=15&tstart=0


Yep. Was happening to me on my iPad whenever I refreshed fark about 30mins ago
 
2012-10-24 01:51:25 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.


Installed the same OS that's going on the Surface Pro (the x86 version of Windows 8 Pro) onto my convertible tablet PC. Adobe CS6 works fine (that's what I edited the photo with), and the Autodesk Suite works fine too.

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net 
/have my 64-gig Surface RT being delivered on Friday
 
2012-10-24 02:05:27 AM  

jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.


THIS

Thinner desktop PCs are a bad thing, because it means that more and more of it is wired to the motherboard, for little gain. I can't dig all-in-one PCs at all. I've got a space under my desk where a tower can happily live and I get lower maintenance costs.
 
2012-10-24 02:08:44 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!


I dual boot ICS with WebOS on my fire sale touchpad. I rarely use the WebOS though. ICS runs smooth as silk on this thing. Cyanogenmod FTW indeed.

/I put it on myself and I'm no tech genius really. There is plenty of instruction out there. The biggest hurdle for me was not wanting to brick the tablet somehow. Once I got past that paranoia, installing android was fairly easy.
//not sure how easy it is on other devices.
 
2012-10-24 02:12:11 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: drjekel_mrhyde: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Have you seen this with anything besides bullshiat software like office? Can you point me to something showing Surface Pro running Civil 3d, or maybe full fledge cs6? Until I can see something besides "on paper" claims I will stick to Splashtop from galaxy note and iPad. At least with a $10 app I can play my precious Diablo 3, and remotely do whatever the hell I want on my big arse energy sucking gaming rig wherever I am with an Internet connection.

/prove me wrong
//I will preorder one ASAP

If your current programs run on Window 7 then it can run on the Pro. Link

that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.



There is noting theoretical about it. A Surface Pro is essentially an Ultrabook shoehorned into a tablet form factor, with a low voltage Intel Core i5 Processor with Intel HD Graphics 4000 running everything. From the perspective of the software, it is no different than any other Win 8 computer. Your only limitation with running high powered apps is going to be RAM, which will not be upgradeable, and the mediocre GPU. Nothing in the Surface will prevent any app certified to run on Win 8 from working normally.
 
2012-10-24 02:13:20 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.

Installed the same OS that's going on the Surface Pro (the x86 version of Windows 8 Pro) onto my convertible tablet PC. Adobe CS6 works fine (that's what I edited the photo with), and the Autodesk Suite works fine too.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x397] 
/have my 64-gig Surface RT being delivered on Friday


What CPU is your convertible running? specs? Im curious as if it comes close to the surface devices. I mean I can instal Mac OSx on intel pc, and with a little elbow grease AMD pc, but it doesn't mean graphics intensive software won't ru like syrup.

Installing an x86 OS on your net book does not equal to what MS is promising with the surface.

Why would you get the RT version seeing how it won't run CS6 or Autodesk suite.

You like windows so much so you got windows for your windows that isn't really windows?

/maybe too much vodka and Diet dew for me
//my geekpeen is bigger
 
2012-10-24 02:19:13 AM  

farkeruk: jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.

THIS

Thinner desktop PCs are a bad thing, because it means that more and more of it is wired to the motherboard, for little gain. I can't dig all-in-one PCs at all. I've got a space under my desk where a tower can happily live and I get lower maintenance costs.


The only real advantage I see is that probably lowers the weight of the 27" enough that you might not need a super beefy monitor arm for it. Otherwise, thin isn't really an advantage for a desktop.
 
2012-10-24 02:24:31 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.

Installed the same OS that's going on the Surface Pro (the x86 version of Windows 8 Pro) onto my convertible tablet PC. Adobe CS6 works fine (that's what I edited the photo with), and the Autodesk Suite works fine too.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x397] 
/have my 64-gig Surface RT being delivered on Friday


On the other hand, The Microsoft Surface Pro will run Windows 8, and will run on an Intel chip. Because of the Intel chip, it would be able to run legacy Windows applications as well. The Surface Pro is intended to have capabilities parallel to ultrabooks in the market currently.

Running Autocad on a ultra book is like trying to fark your wife while she is out shopping. Sounds good but it will just be a mess in your hands.

Autocad on anything but a discrete GPU is Futile.


/work pc is a dual Xeon 3ghz (8 cores total) - 8gb ram - nvidia quadro fx 3800
//home pc AMD Athlon II 3ghz - 16gb ram - nvidia GeForce 460 1gb
///$2000 laptops can't hang and a MS tablet won't either
//// I want to believe
//lots O slashies
 
2012-10-24 02:26:07 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: What CPU is your convertible running? specs? Im curious as if it comes close to the surface devices. I mean I can instal Mac OSx on intel pc, and with a little elbow grease AMD pc, but it doesn't mean graphics intensive software won't ru like syrup.

Installing an x86 OS on your net book does not equal to what MS is promising with the surface.

Why would you get the RT version seeing how it won't run CS6 or Autodesk suite.

You like windows so much so you got windows for your windows that isn't really windows?


It's one of the last gen Toshiba Portege convertible tablets, an M780: running a Core i7 M620 @ 2.67GHz, 6 gigs of ram, 128gig SSD, touch and pen input. Fairly similar specs to the Surface Pro, a little bit beefed up (Core i7 vs. 5, 50% more RAM) - mine has Intel's last gen's proc and integrated graphics though. It'll run all the software, but when it comes to BIM 3-D modeling, don't expect major rendering. With the core i7 proc, it holds its own on 3Ds Max 2013 though.

I bought the Surface RT for testing at work. I have a number of executive users who use their convertible laptops on the road, mainly for Office suite and OneNote work, along with combining surveys/photographs while doing ADA building inspections. I thought a 1.5 lbs Surface RT would be much easier, and more robust, than their 5lbs convertible laptops. The 10 hour battery life is much improved over their current 3-hour laptops.
 
2012-10-24 02:27:03 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doc Daneeka: Amazon?

Seems like either the Nook HD (better screen, microSD), or the Nexus 7 (pure Android, more Apps, Google services) would be a better non-iPad choice.

I'd only recommend the Nook if you are going to use it primarily as a ereader. The app store selection is limited and more expensive than Amazon or Google Play.

Unless your tech savvy and install a full fledge android OS on it.

Cyangenmod FTW!!!

I dual boot ICS with WebOS on my fire sale touchpad. I rarely use the WebOS though. ICS runs smooth as silk on this thing. Cyanogenmod FTW indeed.

/I put it on myself and I'm no tech genius really. There is plenty of instruction out there. The biggest hurdle for me was not wanting to brick the tablet somehow. Once I got past that paranoia, installing android was fairly easy.
//not sure how easy it is on other devices.


Very easy if you can follow instructions and get past the paranoia. Once you get the custom recovery on there it's easy as a prom date on prom night
 
2012-10-24 02:29:36 AM  

jaytkay: Ess_Aytch: Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school.

What are they "creating" on a tablet?


Have you bothered to do any research? I can draw, paint, write, all kinds of things. I can't run my rendering program, but that's what I bought my 12-core workstation for. You sound like one of those "One button mouse? Hyuk-hyuk!" idiots.
 
2012-10-24 02:37:54 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: What CPU is your convertible running? specs? Im curious as if it comes close to the surface devices. I mean I can instal Mac OSx on intel pc, and with a little elbow grease AMD pc, but it doesn't mean graphics intensive software won't ru like syrup.

Installing an x86 OS on your net book does not equal to what MS is promising with the surface.

Why would you get the RT version seeing how it won't run CS6 or Autodesk suite.

You like windows so much so you got windows for your windows that isn't really windows?

It's one of the last gen Toshiba Portege convertible tablets, an M780: running a Core i7 M620 @ 2.67GHz, 6 gigs of ram, 128gig SSD, touch and pen input. Fairly similar specs to the Surface Pro, a little bit beefed up (Core i7 vs. 5, 50% more RAM) - mine has Intel's last gen's proc and integrated graphics though. It'll run all the software, but when it comes to BIM 3-D modeling, don't expect major rendering. With the core i7 proc, it holds its own on 3Ds Max 2013 though.

I bought the Surface RT for testing at work. I have a number of executive users who use their convertible laptops on the road, mainly for Office suite and OneNote work, along with combining surveys/photographs while doing ADA building inspections. I thought a 1.5 lbs Surface RT would be much easier, and more robust, than their 5lbs convertible laptops. The 10 hour battery life is much improved over their current 3-hour laptops.


Integrated graphics and Autodesk suite does not compute.

12gigs just for installing

http://usa.autodesk.com/civil-3d/system-requirements/
 
2012-10-24 02:38:50 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: What CPU is your convertible running? specs? Im curious as if it comes close to the surface devices. I mean I can instal Mac OSx on intel pc, and with a little elbow grease AMD pc, but it doesn't mean graphics intensive software won't ru like syrup.

Installing an x86 OS on your net book does not equal to what MS is promising with the surface.


If I can run Creative Suite 6 on my work ThinkPad with an i5 and an Intel HD 3000, the Surface Pro will have no issues. Outside of Maya or a top of the line game, even cheapish hardware is more than enough to run PhotoShop and Premiere smoothly. The biggest issue with running it would be how small the UI elements would be on a 10.6" 1080p screen, although the digitizer pen will be great with PhotoShop and Illustrator.
 
2012-10-24 02:38:52 AM  
Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear:

I think I was a little brief in my last post because I was on my phone.

Basically a Surface Pro is this ultrabook with 1080p.

My experience at work with getting to run what is basically an openGL based 3-d city modelling application to run is as follows. I was actually quite impressed with the intel integrated graphics, they could run small projects (e.g. not a ton of textures, not a ton of vertices) at a good frame rate, with little optimization on my part. It seems the biggest developments in the past 1-2 years is that the drivers for the integrated graphics have actually started to do what they say they do.

For example, 2-3 years ago, nearly all the intel integrated graphics claimed to support openGL up to at least 2.0. Now in practice, this wasn't actually true, and what I found is that the function calls with extensions caused it to crash (even though all of this should have been supported long ago). There's still some haziness with the VRAM vs RAM consumption as far as I can tell, but my prediction is that over the next 1-2 years the majority of top tier 3-d enterprise applications will run on integrated graphics just fine.

I digress, the point I was trying to make is about the price of the surface. I was initially very excited about it, because the idea of a tablet with greater productivity options (visual studio, other IDEs, etc) was interesting to me. Unfortunately, it looks like all that you're getting is a gimped computer with a touch screen, for what is going to be at minimum 800 dollars. For me the solution is to schlep my work laptop with me on trips for productivity, and keep a tablet for media consumption/e-mails. The surface doesn't have the juice necessary to fill my productivity needs like I hoped, and he price doesn't warrant a purchase, when my 1000 dollar work laptop has a 650m NVIDIA card with 8 gigs of RAM and an i7, which can actually run anything it needs to with no problems at all, not to mention the speed increase while compiling and running scripts is a huge difference from what the surface could give.
 
2012-10-24 02:38:54 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: /work pc is a dual Xeon 3ghz (8 cores total) - 8gb ram - nvidia quadro fx 3800
//home pc AMD Athlon II 3ghz - 16gb ram - nvidia GeForce 460 1gb
///$2000 laptops can't hang and a MS tablet won't either
//// I want to believe


You'd love our new laptops for dedicated CAD designing (just took delivery of two more today):
Dell Precision M6700
Core i7 3840qm (2.8 GHz), 16 gig DDR3 (1855MHz), 128 SATA 3 SSD, Quadro K5000M w/4 gig (1344 stream processors, 96 GB/second throughput)

At about 8 lbs though - so they're not exactly the best for taking out into the field. Their battery life is measured in minutes, not hours. And at about $5k a pop (plus about another $10k in software), I'd much rather supply a supplementary $500 Surface RT for folks on the road.
 
2012-10-24 02:40:39 AM  

Ed Grubermann: jaytkay: Ess_Aytch: Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school.

What are they "creating" on a tablet?

Have you bothered to do any research? I can draw, paint, write, all kinds of things. I can't run my rendering program, but that's what I bought my 12-core workstation for. You sound like one of those "One button mouse? Hyuk-hyuk!" idiots.


I can draw, paint, write, all kinds of things on that bad boy mead notebook over there.....
 
2012-10-24 02:45:40 AM  

mtb9000: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear:

I think I was a little brief in my last post because I was on my phone.

Basically a Surface Pro is this ultrabook with 1080p.

My experience at work with getting to run what is basically an openGL based 3-d city modelling application to run is as follows. I was actually quite impressed with the intel integrated graphics, they could run small projects (e.g. not a ton of textures, not a ton of vertices) at a good frame rate, with little optimization on my part. It seems the biggest developments in the past 1-2 years is that the drivers for the integrated graphics have actually started to do what they say they do.

For example, 2-3 years ago, nearly all the intel integrated graphics claimed to support openGL up to at least 2.0. Now in practice, this wasn't actually true, and what I found is that the function calls with extensions caused it to crash (even though all of this should have been supported long ago). There's still some haziness with the VRAM vs RAM consumption as far as I can tell, but my prediction is that over the next 1-2 years the majority of top tier 3-d enterprise applications will run on integrated graphics just fine.

I digress, the point I was trying to make is about the price of the surface. I was initially very excited about it, because the idea of a tablet with greater productivity options (visual studio, other IDEs, etc) was interesting to me. Unfortunately, it looks like all that you're getting is a gimped computer with a touch screen, for what is going to be at minimum 800 dollars. For me the solution is to schlep my work laptop with me on trips for productivity, and keep a tablet for media consumption/e-mails. The surface doesn't have the juice necessary to fill my productivity needs like I hoped, and he price doesn't warrant a purchase, when my 1000 dollar work laptop has a 650m NVIDIA card with 8 gigs of RAM and an i7, which can actually run anything it needs to with no problems at all, not to mention the ...


Ok I am thinking we are actually on the same page here. Intel graphics is able to run Autodesk suite but it would be like doing your m-i-l, it can be done but would it be enjoyable?
 
2012-10-24 02:46:45 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: /work pc is a dual Xeon 3ghz (8 cores total) - 8gb ram - nvidia quadro fx 3800
//home pc AMD Athlon II 3ghz - 16gb ram - nvidia GeForce 460 1gb
///$2000 laptops can't hang and a MS tablet won't either
//// I want to believe

You'd love our new laptops for dedicated CAD designing (just took delivery of two more today):
Dell Precision M6700
Core i7 3840qm (2.8 GHz), 16 gig DDR3 (1855MHz), 128 SATA 3 SSD, Quadro K5000M w/4 gig (1344 stream processors, 96 GB/second throughput)

At about 8 lbs though - so they're not exactly the best for taking out into the field. Their battery life is measured in minutes, not hours. And at about $5k a pop (plus about another $10k in software), I'd much rather supply a supplementary $500 Surface RT for folks on the road.


The Dell inspiron17R is surprisingly awesome, and only runs 1000ish. My experience with the M4000 M6000 has been pretty negative. Not because they are bad computers, but they seem to run about 2-3x what the non quadro counterpart would. However, any large business seems to choose them.

I've been seriously impressed with the 600 mobile series NVIDIA cards. I get very comparable performance to my desktops.
 
2012-10-24 02:47:59 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: /work pc is a dual Xeon 3ghz (8 cores total) - 8gb ram - nvidia quadro fx 3800
//home pc AMD Athlon II 3ghz - 16gb ram - nvidia GeForce 460 1gb
///$2000 laptops can't hang and a MS tablet won't either
//// I want to believe

You'd love our new laptops for dedicated CAD designing (just took delivery of two more today):
Dell Precision M6700
Core i7 3840qm (2.8 GHz), 16 gig DDR3 (1855MHz), 128 SATA 3 SSD, Quadro K5000M w/4 gig (1344 stream processors, 96 GB/second throughput)

At about 8 lbs though - so they're not exactly the best for taking out into the field. Their battery life is measured in minutes, not hours. And at about $5k a pop (plus about another $10k in software), I'd much rather supply a supplementary $500 Surface RT for folks on the road.


$500 surface RT will be limited to MS office and MS market apps. No legacy software for you.
 
2012-10-24 02:49:26 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Integrated graphics and Autodesk suite does not compute.

12gigs just for installing

http://usa.autodesk.com/civil-3d/system-requirements/


Ummm, dude. When you look at the 64-bit requirements, they say Civil 3D needs 12 gigs of hard drive space, 4 gigs of ram and a P-4 processor. It doesn't even mention graphics. There's quite a bit of horsepower in a current Core i5 or i7 proc & associated graphics. More than enough to do the job. It won't have all the bells and whistles in terms of live texture modeling, but it surprisingly runs a lot of 3d programs smoothly (Sketchup, Google Earth, Revit 2013 and even 3Ds Max).

Where it starts to show its CAD limitations are on our 300+ unit projects and when it comes to final rendering. 4/8 CPU cores don't have a chance vs. 1344 CUDA GPU cores.
 
2012-10-24 02:51:00 AM  

mtb9000: MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: /work pc is a dual Xeon 3ghz (8 cores total) - 8gb ram - nvidia quadro fx 3800
//home pc AMD Athlon II 3ghz - 16gb ram - nvidia GeForce 460 1gb
///$2000 laptops can't hang and a MS tablet won't either
//// I want to believe

You'd love our new laptops for dedicated CAD designing (just took delivery of two more today):
Dell Precision M6700
Core i7 3840qm (2.8 GHz), 16 gig DDR3 (1855MHz), 128 SATA 3 SSD, Quadro K5000M w/4 gig (1344 stream processors, 96 GB/second throughput)

At about 8 lbs though - so they're not exactly the best for taking out into the field. Their battery life is measured in minutes, not hours. And at about $5k a pop (plus about another $10k in software), I'd much rather supply a supplementary $500 Surface RT for folks on the road.

The Dell inspiron17R is surprisingly awesome, and only runs 1000ish. My experience with the M4000 M6000 has been pretty negative. Not because they are bad computers, but they seem to run about 2-3x what the non quadro counterpart would. However, any large business seems to choose them.

I've been seriously impressed with the 600 mobile series NVIDIA cards. I get very comparable performance to my desktops.


Nvidia mobile cards are hands down better than any integrated graphics bullshiat. I find it amazing how hard it is now days to find dedicated gpu in a laptop.

My dream laptop would be a second gen Alienware m11 with dedicated and integrated graphics. But I have heard it's heat level is on par with "ouch my balls"
 
2012-10-24 02:52:01 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: mtb9000: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear:

I think I was a little brief in my last post because I was on my phone.

Basically a Surface Pro is this ultrabook with 1080p.

My experience at work with getting to run what is basically an openGL based 3-d city modelling application to run is as follows. I was actually quite impressed with the intel integrated graphics, they could run small projects (e.g. not a ton of textures, not a ton of vertices) at a good frame rate, with little optimization on my part. It seems the biggest developments in the past 1-2 years is that the drivers for the integrated graphics have actually started to do what they say they do.

For example, 2-3 years ago, nearly all the intel integrated graphics claimed to support openGL up to at least 2.0. Now in practice, this wasn't actually true, and what I found is that the function calls with extensions caused it to crash (even though all of this should have been supported long ago). There's still some haziness with the VRAM vs RAM consumption as far as I can tell, but my prediction is that over the next 1-2 years the majority of top tier 3-d enterprise applications will run on integrated graphics just fine.

I digress, the point I was trying to make is about the price of the surface. I was initially very excited about it, because the idea of a tablet with greater productivity options (visual studio, other IDEs, etc) was interesting to me. Unfortunately, it looks like all that you're getting is a gimped computer with a touch screen, for what is going to be at minimum 800 dollars. For me the solution is to schlep my work laptop with me on trips for productivity, and keep a tablet for media consumption/e-mails. The surface doesn't have the juice necessary to fill my productivity needs like I hoped, and he price doesn't warrant a purchase, when my 1000 dollar work laptop has a 650m NVIDIA card with 8 gigs of RAM and an i7, which can actually run anything it needs to with no problems at all, not to me ...


Yeah, we're on the same page. I think the only caveat being, if you are able to break your CAD projects into smaller pieces, you would be able to work on them using the surface.
 
2012-10-24 02:53:41 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: $500 surface RT will be limited to MS office and MS market apps. No legacy software for you.


Exactly. As I said above, people on the road are using Office/OneNote, along with taking/including photos of projects and ADA inspections. They aren't rendering projects. At most, they'll need to open up .pdf versions of our blueprints and notate in OneNote corrections for designers back in the office to modify back in Revit. No need for legacy software in that workflow.
 
2012-10-24 02:58:33 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: mtb9000: MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: /work pc is a dual Xeon 3ghz (8 cores total) - 8gb ram - nvidia quadro fx 3800
//home pc AMD Athlon II 3ghz - 16gb ram - nvidia GeForce 460 1gb
///$2000 laptops can't hang and a MS tablet won't either
//// I want to believe

You'd love our new laptops for dedicated CAD designing (just took delivery of two more today):
Dell Precision M6700
Core i7 3840qm (2.8 GHz), 16 gig DDR3 (1855MHz), 128 SATA 3 SSD, Quadro K5000M w/4 gig (1344 stream processors, 96 GB/second throughput)

At about 8 lbs though - so they're not exactly the best for taking out into the field. Their battery life is measured in minutes, not hours. And at about $5k a pop (plus about another $10k in software), I'd much rather supply a supplementary $500 Surface RT for folks on the road.

The Dell inspiron17R is surprisingly awesome, and only runs 1000ish. My experience with the M4000 M6000 has been pretty negative. Not because they are bad computers, but they seem to run about 2-3x what the non quadro counterpart would. However, any large business seems to choose them.

I've been seriously impressed with the 600 mobile series NVIDIA cards. I get very comparable performance to my desktops.

Nvidia mobile cards are hands down better than any integrated graphics bullshiat. I find it amazing how hard it is now days to find dedicated gpu in a laptop.

My dream laptop would be a second gen Alienware m11 with dedicated and integrated graphics. But I have heard it's heat level is on par with "ouch my balls"


Actually, my personal experience with dedicated and integrated graphics amounts to STAY THE fark AWAY. Seriously, the stupid optimus bull shiat ruined about 3 months of my work life, and it partly goes back to what I mentioned with respect to the maturing drivers.

I think NVIDIA has gotten to a point now where when you actually tell the NVIDIA control panel to only use the discrete card, it does. For a while that wasn't the case.

There are quite a few great laptops with 600 series cards in them now. I work for a company where we have to deploy dells to customers, so I reluctantly purchased one for myself. I ended up being incredibly happy with it though. If you were looking for a really great laptop that can meet all your graphics needs, I'd go with a lenovo or dell in the 1000-1300 range. Just make sure it has a 600 series card and a next gen i7, I guarantee you will be happy with it.
 
2012-10-24 03:00:44 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Integrated graphics and Autodesk suite does not compute.

12gigs just for installing

http://usa.autodesk.com/civil-3d/system-requirements/

Ummm, dude. When you look at the 64-bit requirements, they say Civil 3D needs 12 gigs of hard drive space, 4 gigs of ram and a P-4 processor. It doesn't even mention graphics. There's quite a bit of horsepower in a current Core i5 or i7 proc & associated graphics. More than enough to do the job. It won't have all the bells and whistles in terms of live texture modeling, but it surprisingly runs a lot of 3d programs smoothly (Sketchup, Google Earth, Revit 2013 and even 3Ds Max).

Where it starts to show its CAD limitations are on our 300+ unit projects and when it comes to final rendering. 4/8 CPU cores don't have a chance vs. 1344 CUDA GPU cores.


Um dude, what are designing? Tree houses? And installing by what auto desk is saying your eating up 12gigs of space on your new surface tablet.

BTW autodesk didn't introduce "hardware acceleration" for shiats and giggles.

Microsoft is trying to sell this thing as a ultra book in tablet form and everyone is drulling over it thinking it will perform anywhere close. I keep saying I want to be wrong, but my experience and the data I work with everyday we are lucky if autocad/civil 3d isn't crashing on our $10k hp z600s

There is $10 app that you can get on your iPhone/android/iPad etc that will allow to remote into any pc you have. Splashtop. You have an Internet connection, you have you workstation at your fingertips.
 
2012-10-24 03:03:42 AM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: $500 surface RT will be limited to MS office and MS market apps. No legacy software for you.

Exactly. As I said above, people on the road are using Office/OneNote, along with taking/including photos of projects and ADA inspections. They aren't rendering projects. At most, they'll need to open up .pdf versions of our blueprints and notate in OneNote corrections for designers back in the office to modify back in Revit. No need for legacy software in that workflow.


So why waste your yearly/quarterly bonus on new hardware. Tell them to use their company phones.

Money saved. Send me my cut.
 
2012-10-24 03:07:57 AM  
apple fanboys arguing with somewhat less delusional apple fanboys
what's the difference between Microsoft and Apple? Nobody pretends Microsoft doesn't suck.
 
2012-10-24 03:08:11 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: $500 surface RT will be limited to MS office and MS market apps. No legacy software for you.

Exactly. As I said above, people on the road are using Office/OneNote, along with taking/including photos of projects and ADA inspections. They aren't rendering projects. At most, they'll need to open up .pdf versions of our blueprints and notate in OneNote corrections for designers back in the office to modify back in Revit. No need for legacy software in that workflow.

So why waste your yearly/quarterly bonus on new hardware. Tell them to use their company phones.

Money saved. Send me my cut.


Why are you opening up PDF versions of your dwgs? Autodesk has mobile software for exactly what you are describing. Autocad WS
 
2012-10-24 03:09:56 AM  

falcon176: apple fanboys arguing with somewhat less delusional apple fanboys
what's the difference between Microsoft and Apple? Nobody pretends Microsoft doesn't suck.


Yeah......this thread venture waaaaaaaay off that path long ago.

Thanks for stoping by.
 
2012-10-24 03:32:28 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: Why are you opening up PDF versions of your dwgs? Autodesk has mobile software for exactly what you are describing. Autocad WS


For our ADA inspections/renovations, it usually goes like this:

Arrive at 1998 built City-X Airport Marriott, open copy of as-built drawings (sometimes our originals from the 1990's, or from another architect). Take photos of areas that'll be an issue to upgrade to meet code. Use Tablet PC/OneNote to notate on those photos real-world dimensions, suggestions, and potential problems. Add notated photos as comments on the as-built .pdf - email final overview notes and attach modified .pdf to designers back at the office to update their renovation blueprints. Move on to next project, collect $40,000.

We did some three dozen ADA renovations last month. Seems to be a pretty efficient workflow - especially considering we're dealing with documentation that's almost always over a decade old. If we just wanted to look at blueprints, AutoCAD WS is fine and we tried using it with iPads. When it comes to billable time, we found it's much more simple and less prone to error by adding location photo content, write notes on the images, combine them with the .pdf document, and send back all the data for modifications by CAD designers with mice, 27" monitors and then have our field guy move on to the next project. That way there's several levels of redundancy and better documentation of actual conditions in the field vs. relying on old as-built drawings.
 
2012-10-24 03:41:00 AM  
Wasn't gizmodo the ones who bought the stolen iPhone 4 and ran articles about it, which was followed by Apple never inviting them to the events anymore?
 
2012-10-24 05:41:54 AM  
Just remember folks All tech companies hire college kids to talk about their products on message boards like this.

I wonder if drew has a background script that can check if someone only comments in the apple pages (or android) and the nature of their comments as of to scan out the marketers? 

/or any other type of company that would do such a thing
 
2012-10-24 05:52:02 AM  
tablets are kind of redundant if you already own a smartphone

/runs
 
2012-10-24 05:56:28 AM  

Irving Maimway: The first Kindle Fire, once applied with side loaded apps was a great entertainer of children at decent dining establishments. Slap a couple of ripped movies and some Blue's Clues on there and the boy ate all his dinner bites and let the Ex-Mrs. Maimway and I enjoy a nice dinner.


This. Went to a restaurant last week that is geared for adults. There were a few kids there, each one parked in front of an iPad, engrossed. None of them were screaming heathens. Thanks, e-babysitters!
 
2012-10-24 06:09:20 AM  

theresnothinglft: huh i thought my iPod already was an iPad mini.


Actually, the iPod Touch 4G was a more capable tablet than the 1st generation iPad mainly because it
had a forward-facing camera.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who refers to his iPod Touch 4G as an 'iPad Mini'.

/Love my pocket sized supplemental computational appliance.
 
2012-10-24 06:34:52 AM  

Ess_Aytch: kroonermanblack: Ya, to hell with all that exercise and outdoor activity and healthy stuff. Who needs sunlight anyway, rickets isn't a real disease, let's focus on more technology in the classroom.

The kids are doing just fine without a playground. They're outside on the field several times a day (in addition to indoor government-mandated daily physical activity), running around and using - gasp - their imaginations. We provide them with balls, frisbees, jump ropes, etc. They get their outdoor activity in spades.

Having a playground will result in more stupid arguments and kids running around less. The playground is more for the parents, just so they can say the school has one, like the other school in town. That's all it is. Is this worth more than most people pay for their condos around here? Nope.

If your school is of the age to need a playground, getting new toys isn't the best investment given the life span of each and the general mindset of people that age.

The iPads are great for student engagement. There's so many great apps for research content creation, giving students opportunities to show me what they know. They can do everything on one device, and not just sitting in a chair in a lab. If you're trying to design a universal learning environment, tablets such as our iPads are the way to go. The students are incredibly careful with the iPads, and we keep ours in big cases.

If you're in an inquiry-based school like mine, iPads are great. 1:1 is the way of the future, and the iPad mini will bring many schools there more quickly.


I sincerely hope that, for some benevolent reason that brings only good things to you and your family, you decide to change careers soon.
 
2012-10-24 06:48:40 AM  

fustanella: There were a few kids there, each one parked in front of an iPad, engrossed. None of them were screaming heathens. Thanks, e-babysitters!


Sad.
 
2012-10-24 08:22:26 AM  

H31N0US: fustanella: There were a few kids there, each one parked in front of an iPad, engrossed. None of them were screaming heathens. Thanks, e-babysitters!

Sad.


Dunno... He sounds pretty happy to me.
 
2012-10-24 08:22:59 AM  

jaytkay: IMDWalrus: Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.

Apple is a good choice for non tech-savvy people.

I have friends and acquaintances who can't understand how to save a Word file on their computer and email it to somebody. They might print it out and fax it (I am not kidding).

I would rather drink hemlock than try to teach them to use an Android device.

But they CAN figure how to work their iPods and iPhones and iPads. Nobody approaches Apple for great interface design.


As an iPad user, I find your example of "saving word files on a computer and emailing it to somebody" kind of hilarious, given the frustrating way the iPad handles things like that. From what I can tell, you can't even delete a photo from the iPad unless it's in the "camera roll". Sure browsing the internet or checking email is just fine on it....which I assume is just as easy on any other mini-tablet.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand. Aside from the insane price point of the iPad Mini, I really think that this was a rush job just to get a min-tablet out there this Christmas, as mini-tablets are going to be a hot item.

And I think you'd be insane to buy one right now anyway because of this:
Much like how they killed of the iPad3 in only 6 months, I'm guessing that they'll be updating the iPad Mini to their "Retina Display" in March, given that it's currently sitting at the worst pixel count amongst the mini-tablet market.
 
2012-10-24 08:24:07 AM  

Ess_Aytch:

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


That is what i was thinking too. So many schools are requiring the students to use tablets now a smaller version for middle/elementary school just makes sense. It will sell millions and people will be left wondering why the nexus never made it in that market.
 
2012-10-24 08:26:19 AM  

Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.
 
2012-10-24 08:27:58 AM  
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

/Gotta work some time
 
2012-10-24 08:29:57 AM  

snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.


You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.
 
2012-10-24 08:32:45 AM  

moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.


Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.
 
2012-10-24 08:34:13 AM  

jaytkay: Ess_Aytch: Tablets are a better form factor for consuming and creating in an elementary school.

What are they "creating" on a tablet?


Digital presentations, movies, ebooks, editing photos. Things that, yes, can be done on a notebook or desktop computer, but are easier to do for an 8 year old on a tablet.
 
2012-10-24 08:35:06 AM  

snowshovel: Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.


The schools in my division are all Mac-based. So yeah, we'll go with iPads like we've already begun to do.
 
2012-10-24 08:37:05 AM  

jso2897: I sincerely hope that, for some benevolent reason that brings only good things to you and your family, you decide to change careers soon.


Why? Because I embrace the future of education? Because my values align with my school division and provincial education authority? Because I recognize that education systems have to change in order for students to be able to compete in a changing economy? Please, I'd love to hear what you have to say.
 
2012-10-24 08:37:38 AM  

Fade2black: Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"


I'm guessing you don't get out of the house much.
 
2012-10-24 08:39:22 AM  
Also, i'm glad that as tablets take over in education TI will be forced to stop selling their crap TI-83 for $100.
 
2012-10-24 08:41:15 AM  
If we are going to crap on Apple about something, it should be for sacrificing functionality in order to make a damn desktop computer thinner and lighter. I don't care how heavy or thick my desktop computer is!
 
2012-10-24 08:42:33 AM  

hawcian: And yet, people will eat it up, thinking it's the same as the newest iPad except in a smaller casing.


That will be the iPad Mini 2...released in about 6 months time. If you are Apple, and knowing its fan base, you would be stupid blowing your load on the first version of any new form factor version of any of their products - create one based on older technology first, and then update it a few times within a year or two of releasing it to milk those same users several times for the same product.
 
Xai
2012-10-24 08:47:55 AM  
apple could brand a turd and it would sell - they are an awesome company because they know how to get people to buy things even when they don't want them.

I mean look at the iPad - people bought them and then after buying them tried to find ways to use them. Now that is branding.
 
2012-10-24 08:49:01 AM  

Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


So... You'd rather the little snowballs sit and be dormant...

Nice
 
2012-10-24 08:51:21 AM  

Ess_Aytch: snowshovel: Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

The schools in my division are all Mac-based. So yeah, we'll go with iPads like we've already begun to do.


Why do they piss away money for a label?
 
2012-10-24 08:53:15 AM  

Farktastic: I've got a Samsung Galaxy Note phone and it does everything I need a tablet to do when I am on the go. For bigger tablet stuff, I got the Galaxy Note 10.1, which kicks ass over any tablet I have tried. Photoshop works great with the pen and so does S-note. It's one of if not the most powerful tablets on the market right now with a quad core 1.4 gHz processor, and I paid $499 for the 32 GB wifi version. The Ipad 3 is, what? $500 for only a 16GB?

Now that Apple has abandoned the ipad 3 months after shipping I hope some people see the light and quit buying apple. Ipad 3 and ipad mini are the biggest customer rape jobs in recent history.

/Hope Samsung sues the nads off apple for copying the Galaxy Note series with the Mini


Upgrading the processor does not equal abandoning the iPad 3.
When Samsung released the Galaxy S3, I did not feel abandoned or betrayed because I bought a Galaxy S2 six months earlier. That's just the way tech rolls.
 
2012-10-24 08:53:24 AM  
It's so cute that so many people think price and specs matter. The iPad mini will have one thing that no other 7" tablet has: a shiny Apple logo on the back.
 
2012-10-24 09:04:20 AM  
I think it's pretty clear that Apple doesn't really want to sell into the 7" market- It just put this turd out there to silence investors who point out that they're getting clocked in that segment.

So what did Apple do? They put out a tablet to "compete" in the 7" arena, but they gave it a processor with half the power of the competition, they gave it a screen with 30% fewer pixels to make it look crappy and then just to really piss people off they made it slightly wider so that unlike the competition, you can't put the "iPad mini" into your pocket.

This was just one big "f you" to the people who wanted a 7" tablet with an apple logo on it.

It's pretty clear that they will discontinue this turd in 6 months, which seems to be their M.O. these days anyway.

// I own AAPL and GOOG
 
2012-10-24 09:05:15 AM  

ColSanders: It's so cute that so many people think price and specs matter. The iPad mini will have one thing that no other 7" tablet has: a shiny Apple logo on the back.


That and the app store.
Fact is its the software that sells a console, so what you've got to decide is which store has what you want.

/Aside from that, I'd tend to disregard a blog review of a thing no ones seen.
 
2012-10-24 09:05:33 AM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: drjekel_mrhyde: I am getting a Surface Pro and RT when the Pro is ready to pre-order , by then the RT version should be $350ish. I will buy the type cover and just swap them between both devices.
/Pro for work, downloading x86 programs and old drivers(for other people)
//RT for games and Xbox smart glass

I need to see the MS tablets run legacy software before I am sold on it. If it will run Autocad, ArcGIS Desktop, Revit, or basically run any windows software then I am sold. The thing is I can not find a definitive answer on whether the MS tablets will run legacy software whether it be the RT or the pro. They need to put up or shut up.


The pro will...
 
2012-10-24 09:06:52 AM  

Leeds: I think it's pretty clear that Apple doesn't really want to sell into the 7" market- It just put this turd out there to silence investors who point out that they're getting clocked in that segment.

So what did Apple do? They put out a tablet to "compete" in the 7" arena, but they gave it a processor with half the power of the competition, they gave it a screen with 30% fewer pixels to make it look crappy and then just to really piss people off they made it slightly wider so that unlike the competition, you can't put the "iPad mini" into your pocket.

This was just one big "f you" to the people who wanted a 7" tablet with an apple logo on it.

It's pretty clear that they will discontinue this turd in 6 months, which seems to be their M.O. these days anyway.

// I own AAPL and GOOG


Oh- and one more thing- They priced it at a 65% premium over the faster, smoother better models they are pretending to compete against in this form factor. That's the biggest "f you" they gave everyone yesterday.

At least with previous apple toys you could pretend that you were getting something better and/or unique when you paid double what something was worth. Not so much with this under performer.
 
2012-10-24 09:11:09 AM  

drewsclues: book it, the iPad mini will get a gigantic overhaul in less than 9 months. It will get a double resolution screen using the shrunken 32nm guts of the now completely discontinued iPad 3. Price will be $299. Apple loves making the first adopters of new product lines pay out their ass.


The next iPad will have a phone to compete with the giant phones currently for sale. Farkers will then remind Apple about the stupid "Your thumb... goes from here... to there..." commercials about the last iPhone.
 
2012-10-24 09:13:42 AM  

Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


You sound fat and it sounds like the school you work at will also be fat in the not too distant future
 
2012-10-24 09:16:28 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Fade2black: Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"

I'm guessing you don't get out of the house much.


What a lovely day, I think I will go for a walk whilst watching a film...
 
2012-10-24 09:20:53 AM  

gmoney101: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Fade2black: Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"

I'm guessing you don't get out of the house much.

What a lovely day, I think I will go for a walk whilst watching a film...


I'll be on a very long flight over the holidays. Having a tablet loaded with movies or television shows, or just reading an e-book helps pass the time.
 
2012-10-24 09:27:04 AM  

Malcolm_Sex: Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

You sound fat and it sounds like the school you work at will also be fat in the not too distant future


Yea, we need to improve our playground gap! Fark things that might help kids better understand math and science, teachers are better utilized watching kids on monkey bars. There is no way for kids to play sports after school to stay healthy.
 
2012-10-24 09:38:13 AM  

farkeruk: jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.

THIS

Thinner desktop PCs are a bad thing, because it means that more and more of it is wired to the motherboard, for little gain. I can't dig all-in-one PCs at all. I've got a space under my desk where a tower can happily live and I get lower maintenance costs.


I've had an all-in-one since right before Vista came out and the thing is still running strong. I recommend one to everyone who asks.
 
2012-10-24 09:42:16 AM  

Ess_Aytch: moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.

Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.


Which province is this?
 
2012-10-24 09:42:20 AM  

Critatak: gizmodo


They also pulled a "prank" at CES a few years ago by shutting all the displays off via remote. They then argued that because Woz was a prankster back in the day that the industry now is too uptight.
 
2012-10-24 09:44:26 AM  

Leeds: I think it's pretty clear that Apple doesn't really want to sell into the 7" market- It just put this turd out there to silence investors who point out that they're getting clocked in that segment.


Apple have their Q4 2012 Earnings Call tomorrow. Coincidence?

Apple's problem is that everything they do is mature. It's like where PCs reached a few years ago. My father has a 6 year old laptop because he simply doesn't need a newer laptop for his needs.
 
2012-10-24 09:48:27 AM  

change1211: Ess_Aytch: moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.

Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.

Which province is this?


My kid's school in MN has a bunch of them. I think the PTA buys a couple a year or something.
 
2012-10-24 09:57:15 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: gmoney101: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Fade2black: Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"

I'm guessing you don't get out of the house much.

What a lovely day, I think I will go for a walk whilst watching a film...

I'll be on a very long flight over the holidays. Having a tablet loaded with movies or television shows, or just reading an e-book helps pass the time.


And makes you feel special
 
2012-10-24 10:00:27 AM  

farkeruk: Leeds: I think it's pretty clear that Apple doesn't really want to sell into the 7" market- It just put this turd out there to silence investors who point out that they're getting clocked in that segment.

Apple have their Q4 2012 Earnings Call tomorrow. Coincidence?

Apple's problem is that everything they do is mature. It's like where PCs reached a few years ago. My father has a 6 year old laptop because he simply doesn't need a newer laptop for his needs.


I'm all for keeping older hardware around and I do the same myself. If you want to be a hero, put Ubuntu on your Dad's laptop, add an SSD and that simple $100 upgrade will quadruple his laptop's speed.

But as for Apple's iPad mini, it's disturbing that they had such a failed launch of a failed product- that's not happened for Apple since the late 80's.

Some people are willing to pay twice the going price for a device simply because it's from Apple. But the unspoken contract is that they pay twice what it's worth and for that money they get something that can be considered better than the competition in some way. It's lighter, thinner, more cores, etc. But this release is a massive departure from that.

The price point for this device was basically set in stone based on the price points of the larger iPads and the smaller iPods. The gap from $300 to $450 was where this tablet was always going to be positioned. But for that money people expected it to be as good or better than the much less-expensive competition. In this respect Apple failed miserably. The Nexus 7 has a better form factor, has a better processor, has a much better display screen and it costs $200 vs $330.

#iFail
 
2012-10-24 10:03:07 AM  
Like that is going to stop Apple fanbois from buying it. Apple could put out an iRock or an iTurd and they would buy it.
 
2012-10-24 10:03:41 AM  

Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.


I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.
 
2012-10-24 10:19:37 AM  

gmoney101: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: gmoney101: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Fade2black: Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"

I'm guessing you don't get out of the house much.

What a lovely day, I think I will go for a walk whilst watching a film...

I'll be on a very long flight over the holidays. Having a tablet loaded with movies or television shows, or just reading an e-book helps pass the time.

And makes you feel special


My Nexus 7 is hardly is a status symbol.
 
2012-10-24 10:20:46 AM  
Okay...

Price? It's an Apple product. You're going to pay more. Thinking otherwise is... quaint.
Books/Movies? Display better on the Fire, fair enough. Stereo speakers are nice to share the experience.
Kids? Going back to price is idiotic. It's covered. If the iPad store has greater offerings for the lil rugrats, then just come out and admit it. (Nevermind that giving a kid a tablet to play with just rings of 'bad decision' all around, and having a $200 broken toy vs a $330 broken toy seems like splitting hairs)
Digital Packrat? The 'cloud' and subscription services exist for a reason.
Students? I have huge difficulties looking at tablets as having even a modicum of value for a student at any level. These are toys. A student needs standardized productivity capacities and I daresay the Kindle and iPad both fail in this regard.
On the Go? I'd be more interested in battery life than Verizon/AT&T network possibilities.

Verdict: I don't care, I'm not buying either.
 
2012-10-24 10:20:53 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: gmoney101: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: gmoney101: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Fade2black: Its been said a million times, but...

I have a mini, it's called a goddamn iphone.

Desktop, laptop, smartphone. And all that jargon about watching movies on these minis? Really? You're telling me people really enjoy watching a movie on 7 inches instead of plopping in a blu ray to your flatscreen or computer at home?

Fool, money, etc.

/and this from a "fanboi"

I'm guessing you don't get out of the house much.

What a lovely day, I think I will go for a walk whilst watching a film...

I'll be on a very long flight over the holidays. Having a tablet loaded with movies or television shows, or just reading an e-book helps pass the time.

And makes you feel special

My Nexus 7 is hardly is a status symbol.


dammit
 
2012-10-24 10:29:59 AM  
I'm getting a kick out of this thread - i had a spare couple of hundred a couple of weeks back and seriously thought about buying the Nexus 7. After much deliberation and boring the wife with details, I actually decided that besides portability, which doesn't concern me since i normally lug my 17" laptop about with me, so anything smaller is a bonus, I would be kicking myself for buying a 'mini' tablet. Decided to put the money to one side, wait till i've got another couple of hundred to add to it and buy an Asus Transformer (TF300) instead. 15 hours of battery with the keyboard dock attached, high res, gorgeous screen and the lovely Tegra 3 processor. And since I want to load it with ebooks in pdf format, along with movies in formats other than those supported by the iPad, it was an easy choice......
 
2012-10-24 10:30:22 AM  

Khellendros: Bought a Nexus 7 about two months ago. There has been zero reason to regret this decision. Love it.


I got a Nabi 2 for my kid, but it has the guts of a Nexus 7 inside.

Best. Kids tablet. ever. We've converted 5 other children from wanting iPads to wanting the Nabi2. (and at $200, pricepoint is a no brainer)

In adult mode, it has quite a bit more oomph than my Galaxy Nexus

/quadcore Tegra3 ftw
 
2012-10-24 10:40:54 AM  

Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.


That's $75,000 per building then you have to replace them in 3 years so there's another $75,000 but you could have bought $350 laptop that lasts 5 years and saved a ton of money. $250,000 for a playground that lasts atleast 20 years, is $12k a year those mini's are costing $25k a year yeah that's a much better investment.
 
2012-10-24 10:52:24 AM  

snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.


It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.
 
2012-10-24 10:52:57 AM  

tanman1975: I got a Nabi 2 for my kid, but it has the guts of a Nexus 7 inside.


How is the speaker on it? I'm shopping for a tablet for my young'un for Christmas, and even though it's low on specs I was considering the Fire because of the dual speakers. I want something that sounds decent without requiring an external speaker.
 
2012-10-24 10:58:36 AM  

Carth: snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.

It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.



Are you f-ing kidding me? You are a teacher and you haven't even figured out how search engines work? You should be fired, seriously, I mean that.

In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.
 
2012-10-24 11:02:22 AM  

Carth:
It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.


http://caniuse.com/mathml

Somone made a LaTex but I haven't used it, it was done this month.

http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12434
 
2012-10-24 11:03:37 AM  

Leeds: Carth: snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.

It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.


Are you f-ing kidding me? You are a teacher and you haven't even figured out how search engines work? You should be fired, seriously, I mean that.

In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.


You could have just said 'yes'.
 
2012-10-24 11:09:57 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Leeds: Carth: snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.

It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.


Are you f-ing kidding me? You are a teacher and you haven't even figured out how search engines work? You should be fired, seriously, I mean that.

In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.

You could have just said 'yes'.


True, but if you are a brain dead idiot who doesn't understand how to do a web search, then you do not deserve to be in a position of educational authority.

I am shocked and dismayed that any teacher would be unaware of the internet. It's 2012 after all, not 1987.
 
2012-10-24 11:12:19 AM  

Leeds: Carth: snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.

It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.


Are you f-ing kidding me? You are a teacher and you haven't even figured out how search engines work? You should be fired, seriously, I mean that.

In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.


I'm just an adjunct who teaches graduate students Data Mining because I enjoy it. I knew there was apps for android but not whether it is easy to actually write papers or take notes in class with it

Do you have experience using android tablets in graduate school? I'd love to talk to someone who does since all my students either use laptops or ipads.
 
2012-10-24 11:18:03 AM  

Carth: Leeds:
In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.

I'm just an adjunct who teaches graduate students Data Mining because I enjoy it. I knew there was apps for android but not whether it is easy to actually write papers or take notes in class with it

Do you have experience using android tablets in graduate school? I'd love to talk to someone who does since all my students either use laptops or ipads.


No I do not. When I was in school tablets had not yet been invented. Sorry.
 
2012-10-24 11:23:18 AM  
To be honest, I don't think it was the best use of Apple's (admittedly vast) resources.

7-inchers are a budget item... for the guys who want a tablet, but want to spend as little as possible to get one. If people could spend more money than $100-$300 on one, they'd get a regular sized iPad, Android, or WinRT/Win 8 tablet. If they had nailed that price range with the features listed, then they'd have a hit, but it's about $30 too expensive.

That being said, I'm sure they'll sell them, because we're a society of idiots.
 
2012-10-24 11:31:25 AM  

Marine1: To be honest, I don't think it was the best use of Apple's (admittedly vast) resources.

7-inchers are a budget item... for the guys who want a tablet, but want to spend as little as possible to get one. If people could spend more money than $100-$300 on one, they'd get a regular sized iPad, Android, or WinRT/Win 8 tablet. If they had nailed that price range with the features listed, then they'd have a hit, but it's about $30 too expensive.

That being said, I'm sure they'll sell them, because we're a society of idiots.


As an owner of a 10" and a 7" tablet I disagree with you completely.

I don't even charge the 10" tablet since I got the 7". The reason is simple- I need a briefcase or a backpack to keep the larger tablet with me whereas I can have the 7" in my pocket at all times. Having it be with me at all times makes all the difference for me.

I suppose if I was a woman and I had a large purse, I would reconsider. But as a man (A man who wears pants. With pockets) I cannot stress enough how great the 7" form factor is.

And of course the quad-core processor makes it faster than any of the 10" tablets, so it's got that going for it too.
 
2012-10-24 11:31:43 AM  
I'd love a tablet of this size for consuming content... watching netflix on the treadmill, browsing fark or reddit on the couch. It would be great.

But I already have a laptop and a smart phone. Even the Nexus at $200 is a bit pricey for a midpoint device, and this thing is just not gonna happen.
 
2012-10-24 11:33:56 AM  

burndtdan: I'd love a tablet of this size for consuming content... watching netflix on the treadmill, browsing fark or reddit on the couch. It would be great.

But I already have a laptop and a smart phone. Even the Nexus at $200 is a bit pricey for a midpoint device, and this thing is just not gonna happen.


Wait until Tuesday of next week when the Nexus drops another $50 in price.

And don't consider it a "midpoint" device- There are no tablets of any size that are faster than the Nexus.
 
2012-10-24 11:36:52 AM  
Whether the Mini turns out to be a success or fail. The big thing that Apple did was completely screw up their customers with the quick turn-around from the New iPad to the iPad 4. The customers that will line up every 12 months for a new iPad won't do it every 6 months. it's turned it from being an event into being a whenever Apple wants to put out a new product they will. So why buy now, when I can wait a few months and get the next version?
 
2012-10-24 11:42:44 AM  

Carth: Leeds: Carth: snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.

It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.

Are you f-ing kidding me? You are a teacher and you haven't even figured out how search engines work? You should be fired, seriously, I mean that.

In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.

I'm just an adjunct who teaches graduate students Data Mining because I enjoy it. I knew there was apps for android but not whether it is easy to actually write papers or take notes in class with it

Do you have experience using android tablets in graduate school? I'd love to talk to someone who does since all my students either use laptops or ipads.


I'm a little confused. I though that this was about having local school systems buying tablets and mini-tablet in for local grade schools. ("Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000"). Or is this another conversation altogether? My impression would be that when you get to graduate level, pretty much all of your students would have computers anyway, and you wouldn't need to pass out mini-tablets to the classroom.
 
2012-10-24 11:50:22 AM  

snowshovel: I'm just an adjunct who teaches graduate students Data Mining because I enjoy it. I knew there was apps for android but not whether it is easy to actually write papers or take notes in class with it

Do you have experience using android tablets in graduate school? I'd love to talk to someone who does since all my students either use laptops or ipads.

I'm a little confused. I though that this was about having local school systems buying tablets and mini-tablet in for local grade schools. ("Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000"). Or is this another conversation altogether? My impression would be that when you get to graduate level, pretty much all of your students would have computers anyway, and you wouldn't need to pass out mini-tablets to the classroom.


Wow, I missed that entirely.

What sort of graduate school has recess and/or playgrounds?
 
2012-10-24 11:53:27 AM  

ColSanders: tanman1975: I got a Nabi 2 for my kid, but it has the guts of a Nexus 7 inside.

How is the speaker on it? I'm shopping for a tablet for my young'un for Christmas, and even though it's low on specs I was considering the Fire because of the dual speakers. I want something that sounds decent without requiring an external speaker.


plenty loud. it has dual speakers too. Also, it's built like a tank.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

I caught my toddler standing on it with no ill effects (to the tablet. I did horrify him by revoking tablet privileges the day).
 
2012-10-24 12:06:29 PM  

Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.


Now that i'm at the office, I made this screen cap for you. Is this hard proof enough? I'm using a convertible tablet with Windows 8 64-bit with very similar specs to the Surface Pro - running Adobe Photoshop CS6, Premiere, 3Ds Max and Revit. Using the sample Revit model, even with integrated graphics (as you see the model below), you can manipulate the model at about 10 fps, which isn't ideal, but is more than workable. If you're designing large models or renders, then of course a dedicated GPU is best, but for standard BIM models, current-gen integrated graphics have a fair amount of horsepower.
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
/I don't want your gaming rig - my Ivy Bridge core i7 home desktop suits me fine
 
2012-10-24 12:07:51 PM  

snowshovel: Carth: Leeds: Carth: snowshovel: Carth: snowshovel: Ess_Aytch:
As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

Given the price point, you could buy the same amount of Kindle Fires for $45,000 -- which you could them put $30,000 into the playground equipment fund.

You just need to convince textbook publishers to also make android versions. Right now they are releasing ibooks only versions.

I'm sorry, but if you really believe that textbook companies are ONLY making iBook versions, then you haven't looks hard enough past your iPad. And again, I own an iPad and a Mac Mini, so this isn't really about Apple hate, it's about using school funds wisely.

In my few minutes of searching, here's what I've come up with:

Here's the entire Follett library of ebooks.

Pearson claims that their e-texts are "Now for iPad and Android Tablets"! 

Scholastic's Storia system is good for iOS, Android tablets, and Windows computers.

It is good to see andriod is catching up. Does andriod support MathML and LaTex yet? I can upgrade my recommendation list for next semester's students if so.

Are you f-ing kidding me? You are a teacher and you haven't even figured out how search engines work? You should be fired, seriously, I mean that.

In the meantime, "Let me google that for you" has your answers.

I'm just an adjunct who teaches graduate students Data Mining because I enjoy it. I knew there was apps for android but not whether it is easy to actually write papers or take notes in class with it

Do you have experience using android tablets in graduate school? I'd love to talk to someone who does since all my students either use laptops or ipads.

I'm a ...


It was a different conversation all together. Although a lot of undergraduate and high school are apparently issuing tablet computers to all incoming freshmen.
 
2012-10-24 12:16:08 PM  

bingethinker: Want a sign that Apple's competitors are running scared? Look at headlines like this one.


Right. Apple releases a "me too" product at a higher price than the competition that even the most Apple-biased sites on the web can't recommend over the Nexus 7 or the Kindle Fire HD, and everybody's running scared.

Apple's late to the part on the 7 inchers, and unlike with the iPhone, they didn't even bring anything particularly different. It's just last year's iPad, only smaller, and it is completely outclassed by the cheaper devices.
 
2012-10-24 12:17:24 PM  

jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.


i'm pretty disappointed with the new model.

I have a 2007-era imac, which continues to work great and runs all my mac software without any issues, but I was thinking of upgrading simply for a more powerful video card for bootcamp games, as my imac's is too slow for most new games.

the new imacs have pretty weak video (only 512M video memory? in 2012?). and the 21-incher doesn't even have user-accessible memory in case I want to upgrade to 32 gigs later.

i'd look at macpros, but they haven't been updated in forever, and cost around $2500.

at this point I'm thinking of just building a separate windows games machine. grumble.
 
2012-10-24 12:21:19 PM  

Tax Boy: jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.

i'm pretty disappointed with the new model.

I have a 2007-era imac, which continues to work great and runs all my mac software without any issues, but I was thinking of upgrading simply for a more powerful video card for bootcamp games, as my imac's is too slow for most new games.

the new imacs have pretty weak video (only 512M video memory? in 2012?). and the 21-incher doesn't even have user-accessible memory in case I want to upgrade to 32 gigs later.

i'd look at macpros, but they haven't been updated in forever, and cost around $2500.

at this point I'm thinking of just building a separate windows games machine. grumble.


Welcome to the club of people whose business Apple does not want. If you're still interested in OSX, you could try building a Hackintosh. Have fun.
 
2012-10-24 12:25:03 PM  
Is it an iPad Mini or an iPod Touch Maxi?
 
2012-10-24 12:26:48 PM  

jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.


New, Lighter iPhone Hailed By Exhausted, Humpbacked iPhone 4 Users
 
2012-10-24 12:35:12 PM  

MrSteve007: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: that's a link to "on paper". I want to see ms surface pro running 3rd party windows 7/8 software. I want to believe the "magic". I want a hand held device that runs everything that my bug rig pc does, within the tablets means.

I want hard proof of someone installing any .exe downloaded off the web. I find it more along the lines of "magic" that MS is going to actually put a full blown Windows handheld PC in our hands this month.

I'll give you my gaming rig if it happens.

Now that i'm at the office, I made this screen cap for you. Is this hard proof enough? I'm using a convertible tablet with Windows 8 64-bit with very similar specs to the Surface Pro - running Adobe Photoshop CS6, Premiere, 3Ds Max and Revit. Using the sample Revit model, even with integrated graphics (as you see the model below), you can manipulate the model at about 10 fps, which isn't ideal, but is more than workable. If you're designing large models or renders, then of course a dedicated GPU is best, but for standard BIM models, current-gen integrated graphics have a fair amount of horsepower.
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x626]
/I don't want your gaming rig - my Ivy Bridge core i7 home desktop suits me fine


I think a lot of people underestimate just how much power there is in the Core-series integrated graphics, and how much better the OpenGL drivers have gotten recently. This is not the crappy Intel 915 integrated graphics that caused most of the pain when Vista was released.

Plus, not everyone that is using AutoCAD is designing the Freedom Tower with it, and you are especially not going to be doing heavy lifting on a 10.6" device anyway, just because the screen size is so small. Hell, back in the late 90s, I had an internship at a large chemical company in college where all I did with MicroStation was open up drawing files, import in scans of microfilmed drawings that were originally on paper, and then use a despeckle tool to remove crap in the scans that came either from the scanning or poor duplication of the paper drawings when they were originally done back in the 50s and 60s (And yes, it was a crap job, but it was really necessary to get those thousands of drawings loaded in to the backgrounds of the digital files so that when revisions were done, the digital revisions could be overlaid on top of the scans). For that job, there was absolutely no need for a powerful GPU, and I'm sure there are probably loads of people that similarly use AutoCAD on a regular basis but hardly ever do anything that would even begin to stress a HD 4000.
 
2012-10-24 01:35:24 PM  
I don't understand the positioning of the iPad Mini. The tech is too old, the price is too high.

I don't understand the outrage over the 4th-gen iPad being introduced so soon after the 3rd-gen model was released. How many different "Galaxy" tablet models has Samsung announced since 2010? I count at least four at the 10"-class size alone.
 
2012-10-24 01:56:46 PM  

jakrabit: Ess_Aytch: Ghastly: Too big to be a phone...

Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.

So... You'd rather the little snowballs sit and be dormant...

Nice


Your comment tells me that either you lack reading comprehension skills, or are too lazy to read any of my earlier comments. Idiot.
 
2012-10-24 01:57:33 PM  

Wintermute6: I've got an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7, so aren't a fanboy of either, but this really is an underwhelming release to me. First, there's the older hardware inside and sub-Retina display. Second, for the price and the size, you may as well save a bit more and get a full-sized iPad if you really want an Apple tablet.


You have to stop calling it a Retina display. It's called an AMOLED, and Apple did not invent it.
 
2012-10-24 02:01:53 PM  

MadSkillz: You have to stop calling it a Retina display. It's called an AMOLED, and Apple did not invent it.


"Retina" doesn't refer to the same thing AMOLED does.
 
2012-10-24 02:10:46 PM  

MadSkillz: Wintermute6: I've got an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7, so aren't a fanboy of either, but this really is an underwhelming release to me. First, there's the older hardware inside and sub-Retina display. Second, for the price and the size, you may as well save a bit more and get a full-sized iPad if you really want an Apple tablet.

You have to stop calling it a Retina display. It's called an AMOLED, and Apple did not invent it.


None of the Apple products use AMOLED, they are all IPS LCD for the Retina screens. And "Retina" is really just a measure of how high the pixel density is and what the normal viewing distance is (a phone is generally around 326 or so ppi, and a tablet is generally around 250 ppi or so), so even a 32" 720p TV mounted on the bedroom wall is technical "retina" since you can't easily discern the individual pixels when watching TV in bed.
 
2012-10-24 02:20:58 PM  

Irving Maimway: The first Kindle Fire, once applied with side loaded apps was a great entertainer of children at decent dining establishments. Slap a couple of ripped movies and some Blue's Clues on there and the boy ate all his dinner bites and let the Ex-Mrs. Maimway and I enjoy a nice dinner.


Jeez, you're one of those people? Since when did this become acceptable in society? I will never let my kids do this in restaurants, it just shows lazy parenting and also it's not good for their health (science shows that kids are more likely to overeat when they're being distracted by TV and other entertainment devices).
 
2012-10-24 02:24:50 PM  

The Banana Thug: Irving Maimway: The first Kindle Fire, once applied with side loaded apps was a great entertainer of children at decent dining establishments. Slap a couple of ripped movies and some Blue's Clues on there and the boy ate all his dinner bites and let the Ex-Mrs. Maimway and I enjoy a nice dinner.

Jeez, you're one of those people? Since when did this become acceptable in society? I will never let my kids do this in restaurants, it just shows lazy parenting and also it's not good for their health (science shows that kids are more likely to overeat when they're being distracted by TV and other entertainment devices).


Kids that overeat tend to be distracted by television.

/no friend of mine
 
2012-10-24 02:31:50 PM  
I'm sure some fanboy will correct me on this but isn't the reason that Apple didn't go with this size tablet to begin with was that Steve Jobs found it too small to be useful and that was why they went with the 10" size. This was at the time that the Nook and Kindle, etc were popping up in the 7" size range. Is this just the first barrage in the "let's 2nd guess the greatest tech marketing guy ever because I'm in charge now" era at Apple?
 
2012-10-24 02:49:54 PM  

The Banana Thug: Irving Maimway: The first Kindle Fire, once applied with side loaded apps was a great entertainer of children at decent dining establishments. Slap a couple of ripped movies and some Blue's Clues on there and the boy ate all his dinner bites and let the Ex-Mrs. Maimway and I enjoy a nice dinner.

Jeez, you're one of those people? Since when did this become acceptable in society? I will never let my kids do this in restaurants, it just shows lazy parenting and also it's not good for their health (science shows that kids are more likely to overeat when they're being distracted by TV and other entertainment devices).


Okay:

1 I don't see anywhere I was letting my kid overeat.

2 All four grandparents are dead and we didn't have any babysitters. So if I wanted to take my ex some place the boy came with us.

3 If you can find a way to get manners and polite society behavior into a three year-old, I'd love to hear how you do this.

Based on your "I will" statement, sounds like you're not raising toddlers and are speaking from this magical place of omnipotence. So unless you can miracle my parents back from the dead to watch the grandkids they never got to see, or find a great baby sitter finder that doesn't involve doing background checks or paying for a screening service, your judgemental arse can go fark itself.
 
2012-10-24 03:03:58 PM  

advex101: I'm sure some fanboy will correct me on this but isn't the reason that Apple didn't go with this size tablet to begin with was that Steve Jobs found it too small to be useful and that was why they went with the 10" size. This was at the time that the Nook and Kindle, etc were popping up in the 7" size range. Is this just the first barrage in the "let's 2nd guess the greatest tech marketing guy ever because I'm in charge now" era at Apple?


Jobs said there would never be a 7" iPad, and that size was 'DOA'
 
2012-10-24 03:07:00 PM  

Leeds: burndtdan: I'd love a tablet of this size for consuming content... watching netflix on the treadmill, browsing fark or reddit on the couch. It would be great.

But I already have a laptop and a smart phone. Even the Nexus at $200 is a bit pricey for a midpoint device, and this thing is just not gonna happen.

Wait until Tuesday of next week when the Nexus drops another $50 in price.

And don't consider it a "midpoint" device- There are no tablets of any size that are faster than the Nexus.


By midpoint I mean halfway between a laptop and a phone, not in size (though that's true) but more in needed functionality. I don't have a tablet, but anything I would use a tablet for I already have in one form or another. So while a tablet would be nice to have, I find it hard to say I need to have it.
 
2012-10-24 03:12:18 PM  

Irving Maimway: Based on your "I will" statement, sounds like you're not raising toddlers and are speaking from this magical place of omnipotence. So unless you can miracle my parents back from the dead to watch the grandkids they never got to see, or find a great baby sitter finder that doesn't involve doing background checks or paying for a screening service, your judgemental arse can go fark itself.


Don't worry most Farkers don't have kids and if they do they are teenagers so they don't remember what it was like or they selectively remember only the good times. I have 3 toddlers and we give them our phones just to keep them still if we go out. If we don't they have issues with food taking too long to come out or just plain bored.

Coloring usually keeps them busy for about 10 min tops then after that it's lets see who can get mom and dad the maddest. Just give it to them and ignore the trolls that say otherwise because they have selective memory. My son/daughter was such an angel.. except for all those times they throw fits when we took them out but that one time that I do remember they were just sooo perfect.

The stories I have of my kids are such legend at my work that people always ask me what the kids are getting into recently. 15lb bag of flour at 5am was so far their favorite.
 
2012-10-24 03:26:40 PM  

TNel: Irving Maimway: Based on your "I will" statement, sounds like you're not raising toddlers and are speaking from this magical place of omnipotence. So unless you can miracle my parents back from the dead to watch the grandkids they never got to see, or find a great baby sitter finder that doesn't involve doing background checks or paying for a screening service, your judgemental arse can go fark itself.

Don't worry most Farkers don't have kids and if they do they are teenagers so they don't remember what it was like or they selectively remember only the good times. I have 3 toddlers and we give them our phones just to keep them still if we go out. If we don't they have issues with food taking too long to come out or just plain bored.

Coloring usually keeps them busy for about 10 min tops then after that it's lets see who can get mom and dad the maddest. Just give it to them and ignore the trolls that say otherwise because they have selective memory. My son/daughter was such an angel.. except for all those times they throw fits when we took them out but that one time that I do remember they were just sooo perfect.

The stories I have of my kids are such legend at my work that people always ask me what the kids are getting into recently. 15lb bag of flour at 5am was so far their favorite.


Thank you. A parent speaks!

Actually, puzzles and coloring books are his top choices. Now when food shows up, interactive things are off until a proper amount of dinner bites are consumed. The speed he does puzzles kills me.

The Little Critter and Dr Seuss books from Ocean House Media in the Play Store are fantastic. Cannot recommend them highly enough.

And yes, no battle plan survives first contact.
 
2012-10-24 03:28:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: farkeruk: jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.

THIS

Thinner desktop PCs are a bad thing, because it means that more and more of it is wired to the motherboard, for little gain. I can't dig all-in-one PCs at all. I've got a space under my desk where a tower can happily live and I get lower maintenance costs.

The only real advantage I see is that probably lowers the weight of the 27" enough that you might not need a super beefy monitor arm for it. Otherwise, thin isn't really an advantage for a desktop.


Apple is going to make a TV. You heard it here first(?)
 
2012-10-24 03:36:09 PM  

Ess_Aytch: Not a Samsung phone...

In all seriousness, my wife is a non-techy, average computer user. She's been running a piece of shiat LG netbook for a few years. She saw the iPad mini and immediately wanted one. For what she wants, it's perfect. She's going to buy one with her Christmas money.

As a teacher, I can tell you that the iPad mini will kill in the education market. My school division has already begun equipping schools with iPads; my school has a cart, plus three in each classroom. For about $75,000 we could purchase enough iPad minis to get us to a 1:1 ratio. Meanwhile, we're fundraising to buy a playground - which costs $250,000 and I find completely asinine.



Why would you want minis for education? Big screen would be better, no? And replacing it every few years would be insane.
 
2012-10-24 03:37:50 PM  

IMDWalrus: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: iPad 3 and galaxy note owner here. I was going to sell the iPad and get two minis until they said the mini was $329. Apple has completely missed the point on mini tablets.

Seriously. At $250, maybe it might have been worth a look. Too bad it's $80 more than that. Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.


I disagree--- I'm not blind to the outside world, I run an IT department and the apps that I use are not available on android. I love the idea of having a smaller lte tablet so I can work remotely.

The price isn't bad at all either. From everything I have read the build quality is very superior to android tablets, plus apple doesn't sell their hardware at a loss. Their business model is profit, just like 99.9% of all other businesses out there.

It's a race to the bottom for all the other cheap tablets, it seems. Nexus looks good, but there is no such thing a good, cheap computer/tablet/smartphone.
 
2012-10-24 03:39:35 PM  

psy5ive:

I disagree--- I'm not blind to the outside world, I run an IT department and the apps that I use are not available on android.


Can you list them please? I'm really curious what apps you run as an IT Director that are not available in Android.
 
2012-10-24 03:39:43 PM  

jayhawk88: But everyone is losing their shiat over the new iMac, because it's so thin. You know, because all the countless hours you looked at your computer from the side have really taken their toll.


You shut your farking mouth. The new iMac is boobitties.
 
2012-10-24 03:47:44 PM  

The Banana Thug: Irving Maimway: The first Kindle Fire, once applied with side loaded apps was a great entertainer of children at decent dining establishments. Slap a couple of ripped movies and some Blue's Clues on there and the boy ate all his dinner bites and let the Ex-Mrs. Maimway and I enjoy a nice dinner.

Jeez, you're one of those people? Since when did this become acceptable in society? I will never let my kids do this in restaurants, it just shows lazy parenting and also it's not good for their health (science shows that kids are more likely to overeat when they're being distracted by TV and other entertainment devices).


Dude, seriously, STFU. I'd rather he let his kid play with a tablet than be like far too many parents these days and let his kid cry and scream and irritate the whole freaking restaurant when I'm trying to eat.
 
2012-10-24 03:51:06 PM  

TNel: psy5ive:

I disagree--- I'm not blind to the outside world, I run an IT department and the apps that I use are not available on android.

Can you list them please? I'm really curious what apps you run as an IT Director that are not available in Android.


The apps I use:

Server admin
Workgroup manager
Remoter
Diet coda
Ring central
Producteev
One team
Prompt


Some are available or have similar on android but the implementation is pathetic by comparison. I've used gs3, and unfortunately it's just not usable for what I need.
 
2012-10-24 03:54:30 PM  
Besides can anyone here say that any VPN implementation on android is worth a damn?
 
2012-10-24 03:59:32 PM  

mccallcl: Apple is going to make a TV. You heard it here first(?)


The tech journalists keep going on and on about that, but I don't see what the point of that product would be. Margins in the HDTV market are razor thin, and the smart features on my Samsung 8000-series HDTV go completely unused because my XBox and PS3 do everything those apps do, but 1000% better.
 
2012-10-24 03:59:56 PM  

Irving Maimway: Based on your "I will" statement, sounds like you're not raising toddlers and are speaking from this magical place of omnipotence. So unless you can miracle my parents back from the dead to watch the grandkids they never got to see, or find a great baby sitter finder that doesn't involve doing background checks or paying for a screening service, your judgemental arse can go fark itself.


/starts slow clap
//parent
 
2012-10-24 04:18:20 PM  

IMDWalrus: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: iPad 3 and galaxy note owner here. I was going to sell the iPad and get two minis until they said the mini was $329. Apple has completely missed the point on mini tablets.

Seriously. At $250, maybe it might have been worth a look. Too bad it's $80 more than that. Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.


Particularly since there will likely be a $99 Android tablet offered on Black Friday by someone in a few weeks that covers all the internet surfing/Pandora/Spotify/Angry Birds needs of 99% of tablet users.
 
2012-10-24 04:25:15 PM  

InmanRoshi: IMDWalrus: Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: iPad 3 and galaxy note owner here. I was going to sell the iPad and get two minis until they said the mini was $329. Apple has completely missed the point on mini tablets.

Seriously. At $250, maybe it might have been worth a look. Too bad it's $80 more than that. Unless you're one of those hardcore Apple fans blind to the outside world there's no reason not to get a Kindle Fire, Nexus 7, or something that's more capable and has better features for the same price as an iPad Mini.

Particularly since there will likely be a $99 Android tablet offered on Black Friday by someone in a few weeks that covers all the internet surfing/Pandora/Spotify/Angry Birds needs of 99% of tablet users.


Hell, I got a cheapie Polaroid tablet for my sister-in-law six months ago that handles her needs (e-reader/web surfing/casual gaming) just fine. I think it was about $80. I had to sideload the Google Play store on it for her, but that was simple (and not, strictly speaking, necessary; it came with the Amazon App Store pre-loaded).
 
2012-10-24 04:34:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: mccallcl: Apple is going to make a TV. You heard it here first(?)

The tech journalists keep going on and on about that, but I don't see what the point of that product would be. Margins in the HDTV market are razor thin, and the smart features on my Samsung 8000-series HDTV go completely unused because my XBox and PS3 do everything those apps do, but 1000% better.


The point is to make the best experience in the world. When phones weren't good enough, apple made one that was. Now my Mac shiat is better than the tv I plug it into. So apple will make one of those. Look at their product line: flat, glass rectangles. What else comes in a flat glass rectangle?
 
2012-10-24 04:37:47 PM  

mccallcl: The point is to make the best experience in the world.



No, the point is to make $$$$. And there's not $$$$$ to be made in televisions, which is why Babyboomer Jesus didn't want to go there.
 
2012-10-24 05:20:09 PM  

mccallcl: What else comes in a flat glass rectangle?


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-24 05:20:54 PM  

change1211: Ess_Aytch: moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.

Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.

Which province is this?


Ontario, they are everywhere in the Catholic system. Can't speak for the public board.... Fantastic tool for teachers and students, the wife loves hers.
 
2012-10-24 05:27:23 PM  

mccallcl: Look at their product line: flat, glass rectangles. What else comes in a flat glass rectangle?


Coming third quarter 2013: the iCoffeeTable!!!
 
2012-10-24 06:42:34 PM  

mccallcl: Mad_Radhu: mccallcl: Apple is going to make a TV. You heard it here first(?)

The tech journalists keep going on and on about that, but I don't see what the point of that product would be. Margins in the HDTV market are razor thin, and the smart features on my Samsung 8000-series HDTV go completely unused because my XBox and PS3 do everything those apps do, but 1000% better.

The point is to make the best experience in the world. When phones weren't good enough, apple made one that was. Now my Mac shiat is better than the tv I plug it into. So apple will make one of those. Look at their product line: flat, glass rectangles. What else comes in a flat glass rectangle?


A sperm donor?
 
2012-10-24 08:10:53 PM  

tanman1975: plenty loud. it has dual speakers too. Also, it's built like a tank.


Awesome. Thank you so much! Just what I was looking for.
 
2012-10-24 09:25:06 PM  

machoprogrammer: Why would you want minis for education? Big screen would be better, no? And replacing it every few years would be insane.


Minis would be great in an elementary school: smaller hands.

I'm not sure what the replacement rate is for the tech in our division. They're cheaper than buying PCs or MacBooks, but I'm sure they'd be replaced less often.
 
2012-10-24 09:25:58 PM  

change1211: Ess_Aytch: moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.

Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.

Which province is this?


Alberta. And from the sounds of it, Ontario is the same. I doubt we're the only two provinces.
 
2012-10-24 11:03:13 PM  

Ess_Aytch: change1211: Ess_Aytch: moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.

Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.

Which province is this?

Alberta. And from the sounds of it, Ontario is the same. I doubt we're the only two provinces.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure every classroom in Alberta doesn't have a Smartboard. Are you sure it's not just your district?
 
2012-10-25 04:06:12 AM  

Ghastly: Mini tablets seem useless to me anyway. Too big to be a phone, too small to be a useful tablet. I have a 10" tablet and would be thrilled if someone would give me a good 12 incher.

You heard me!


Tablets in general seem useless to me. Too big to be portable, too small to be useful.
 
2012-10-25 07:51:23 AM  

Ess_Aytch: machoprogrammer: Why would you want minis for education? Big screen would be better, no? And replacing it every few years would be insane.

Minis would be great in an elementary school: smaller hands.

I'm not sure what the replacement rate is for the tech in our division. They're cheaper than buying PCs or MacBooks, but I'm sure they'd be replaced less often.


It doesn't matter what the computer replacement cycle is. Tablets and laptops get replaced earlier than any other tech. Computers can last 7 years easily. Laptops can be pushed to 5 years, tablets have a 3 year lifecycle and are a PITA to replace parts on so you have no choice but to buy warranties on all of them so that $320 just went up to $400 a pop.

I hate that Apple is the only vendor that has a decent school program right now and just wish Android would get on the ball and do something similiar.
 
2012-10-25 09:56:49 AM  

ColSanders: tanman1975: plenty loud. it has dual speakers too. Also, it's built like a tank.

Awesome. Thank you so much! Just what I was looking for.


No problemo. Let me know if you have any questions
 
2012-10-25 05:44:28 PM  

change1211: Ess_Aytch: change1211: Ess_Aytch: moothemagiccow: smart board is a 4x2.5 ft touch screen from 1998. Like a digital chalkboard. Never took off because of the price. Schools with too much money would buy one for the whole campus. I suppose they're still going.

Uhhh....just about every school in my province has installed a Smart Board in just about every classroom. They're quite popular, actually.

Which province is this?

Alberta. And from the sounds of it, Ontario is the same. I doubt we're the only two provinces.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure every classroom in Alberta doesn't have a Smartboard. Are you sure it's not just your district?


I didn't say every. I said "just about" every. In three boards I have worked or volunteered in, Smart or another interactive whiteboards have been installed in a vast majority of the classrooms. Smart Boards have been the most popular with teachers by far.
 
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