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2012-10-24 03:33:14 AM  
Why does Romney and his supporters assume that he will be able to do everything that he says he wants to do. The president just doesn't have that much authority. If the president did, just think what the current president could/would have done. On day one....On day one...

My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.

My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.
 
2012-10-24 03:36:05 AM  

coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.


Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.
 
2012-10-24 03:46:50 AM  

riverwalk barfly: My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.


BS. Same federal tax rules? If you put your wife on your health insurance, do the feds tax you on what your employer contributes to her health insurance? If I put my partner on my health insurance plan, no amount of lawyering will get me the same tax benefit as a straight married couple. Federal inheritance taxes? If they're both Americans, not a problem on living in the same country. However, if one partner is not an American, the American citizen does not have a federal immigration option to apply for permanent residency for a same-sex partner that a straight American would for his/her partner. No amount of lawyering up can grant that (trust me, that is my life and reality every day). Want a taste of what bi-national same-sex couples face, visit Immigration Equality (pops).

If you would have read the article, you would note that federal hospital visitation rights are through an Obama executive order, not legislation. So yes, the President has total, 100% control of whether this continues or dies. Presidents do have the power to overturn executive orders with the stroke of a pen, so this is one Romney could very easily actually do on Day One.

And part of equality for all Americans is not having to get a lawyer and pay thousands of dollars to obtain (still unequal) benefits and rights that automatically come to others with a marriage license and a ceremony.
 
2012-10-24 03:53:12 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.

Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.


Mags, you're not posting pictures and you're incoherent. Time to recork that vodak bottle and hit the hay.
 
2012-10-24 04:00:38 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Why does Romney and his supporters assume that he will be able to do everything that he says he wants to do. The president just doesn't have that much authority. If the president did, just think what the current president could/would have done. On day one....On day one...

My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.

My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.


$75 seems cheap, but wait until you get the bill for the exit fees.
 
2012-10-24 04:02:29 AM  
Worst. Christians. EVAH.
 
2012-10-24 04:03:32 AM  

WorldCitizen: riverwalk barfly: My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.

BS. Same federal tax rules? If you put your wife on your health insurance, do the feds tax you on what your employer contributes to her health insurance? If I put my partner on my health insurance plan, no amount of lawyering will get me the same tax benefit as a straight married couple. Federal inheritance taxes? If they're both Americans, not a problem on living in the same country. However, if one partner is not an American, the American citizen does not have a federal immigration option to apply for permanent residency for a same-sex partner that a straight American would for his/her partner. No amount of lawyering up can grant that (trust me, that is my life and reality every day). Want a taste of what bi-national same-sex couples face, visit Immigration Equality (pops).

If you would have read the article, you would note that federal hospital visitation rights are through an Obama executive order, not legislation. So yes, the President has total, 100% control of whether this continues or dies. Presidents do have the power to overturn executive orders with the stroke of a pen, so this is one Romney could very easily actually do on Day One.

And part of equality for all Americans is not having to get a lawyer and pay thousands of dollars to obtain (still unequal) benefits and rights that automatically come to others with a marriage license and a ceremony.


Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.
 
2012-10-24 04:09:21 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.


Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."
 
2012-10-24 04:10:47 AM  

Harry_Seldon: riverwalk barfly: Why does Romney and his supporters assume that he will be able to do everything that he says he wants to do. The president just doesn't have that much authority. If the president did, just think what the current president could/would have done. On day one....On day one...

My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.

My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.

$75 seems cheap, but wait until you get the bill for the exit fees.


sadly, that is true and funny, watch what you wish for.... May 11, 1995 - September 5, 2012 RIP marriage.
 
2012-10-24 04:18:30 AM  

WorldCitizen: riverwalk barfly: Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.

Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."


My apologies. I think you interpreted my post wrong and that is on me. I guess the sarcasm escaped you. My point was/is that same sex partners have to go through so much more to even get a slight taste of what I got for $75 , I wasn't arguing that same sex couples can get the same rights through an attorney. I wish you and your partner the best. I know it is not easy. I've seen it with my best friend and his partner - peace and love.
 
2012-10-24 04:36:16 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.

Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.

Mags, you're not posting pictures and you're incoherent. Time to recork that vodak bottle and hit the hay.


Oh, I missed this, till it got sent via EM, ya, it is late and well no vodak tonight although I did have Genius and well you're pretty coherent and basically telly me to STFU, So well I'll take you're advice into consideration and well ;)
/Sorry it's about time I spoke up
The Donna's- Who invited you
 
2012-10-24 04:42:39 AM  

Agent_Stan_Smith_CIA: Maybe this would happen...

[romneyshoop]


Oh, thanks so much for that.

My nightmare fuel tank was getting a bit low.

Topped it right the fark up, did that.
 
2012-10-24 05:03:51 AM  
This guy is so unpredictable that he makes a blind rattlesnake seem more reliable.

If he wins, more than a few people are going to have buyer's remorse. He would definitely be a 1-term.
 
2012-10-24 05:28:38 AM  

coeyagi: colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.

Your post - t would have been just as effective if you placed 13 ellipses in a row followed by "best part. forever!"


24.media.tumblr.com

She watches, always.
 
2012-10-24 05:32:01 AM  

Amos Quito: I wonder who this church is rooting for this election?


The Blood God Zozgoth?
 
2012-10-24 05:36:31 AM  
It used to be that we could have disagreements of policy without being disagreeable... but if you vote for the guy who thinks that whether or not I die alone in the hospital ought to be a decision for the state to make, fark you.
 
2012-10-24 05:39:29 AM  
MyRandomName: Wow. I know subby is an idiot... bit no he didn't. Obama had the same view on it vexing a state matter until this year. Go screw. Romney would do nothing, he would leave it to the states. Seriously liberals. Stop lying. It makes you look silly. Romney would not put a federal mandate on no visitation rights. You are lying. Constantly.

You don't come across nearly as clever and well-informed as you think you do.
 
2012-10-24 05:44:01 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: MyRandomName: Wow. I know subby is an idiot... bit no he didn't. Obama had the same view on it vexing a state matter until this year. Go screw. Romney would do nothing, he would leave it to the states. Seriously liberals. Stop lying. It makes you look silly. Romney would not put a federal mandate on no visitation rights. You are lying. Constantly.

You don't come across nearly as clever and well-informed as you think you do.


Yes... you see, Obama signed the order giving visitation rights in 2010, but it wasn't until this year that he really meant it.

You could respond with facts, but generally speaking, for obvious trolls, you would do better to just not respond at all.
 
2012-10-24 05:47:09 AM  

WorldCitizen: Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."


Maybe you wouldn't have had to go looking abroad for a partner if you weren't such an asshole...
 
2012-10-24 05:50:37 AM  

proteus_b: WorldCitizen: Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."

Maybe you wouldn't have had to go looking abroad for a partner if you weren't such an asshole...


Calling people assholes because of their relationships doesn't help your rather tenuous relationship with reality.
 
2012-10-24 05:54:58 AM  

proteus_b: Maybe you wouldn't have had to go looking abroad for a partner if you weren't such an asshole...



25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-24 06:08:53 AM  

Amos Quito: dletter: What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.


So, who should be allowed do decide such things? The Federal government?


Who should decide who's allowed to get married? A) states, or B) the federal government?
I'm gonna have to go with option C here. The ones that decide whether or not two people can get married should be the two people getting married.

Seriously - how hard is it to just not give a fark about your neighbor? I can not give a rat's ass about people I see all day long, why is this so hard for the religious right?
 
2012-10-24 06:15:49 AM  
Sounds like another Liberal Douche-o-Crat whiny ass article

Like Romney is going to get the Federal Govt to ban people from visiting you in a hospital room?

Most Church-affiliated hospitals could care less who is visiting you...as long as you are not harming any patients or running off with the drugs.

More likely...you will have Obama denying white folks ObamaCare....everything is "race" with that dude
 
2012-10-24 06:24:54 AM  

firefly212: Calling people assholes because of their relationships doesn't help your rather tenuous relationship with reality.


He's just jealous because he can only get laid with the help of a roll of duct tape and a bottle of Roofies.
 
2012-10-24 06:27:22 AM  

proteus_b: such an asshole...


Are you hitting on him?
 
2012-10-24 06:32:39 AM  

riverwalk barfly: WorldCitizen: riverwalk barfly: Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.

Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."

My apologies. I think you interpreted my post wrong and that is on me. I guess the sarcasm escaped you. My point was/is that same sex partners have to go through so much more to even get a slight taste of what I got for $75 , I wasn't arguing that same sex couples can get the same rights through an attorney. I wish you and your partner the best. I know it is not easy. I've seen it with my best friend and his partner - peace and love.


Yeah, I totally missed the sarcasm. Perhaps I can blame it on the fever rather than my standard limited mental capabilities. Apologies!
 
2012-10-24 06:43:35 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp:

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No more of this shiat, please.
 
2012-10-24 06:47:01 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 409x379]

She watches, always.


Moar of this, please.
 
2012-10-24 06:51:28 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.


Fixing, as in 'take the clippers to the nuts'.
 
2012-10-24 06:58:25 AM  

quatchi: Worst. Christians. EVAH.


Apart from the ones that burnt to death unpopular people in every community, or the ones that mass executed everyone that wouldn't give up their non-christian beliefs, or the ones that mass executed all the ones that believed something different about Christ/the church, or the ones that started off the various crusades to rid themselves of troublemakers, or all the popes and other senior clergy through most of history that spent their time whoring, feasting and profiteering off the gullible poor people that believed their lies, etc.
 
2012-10-24 07:01:09 AM  

Mugato: None of that that comes before whatever Israel tells him to do.


I'd take a closer look at Mormons if I were you
 
2012-10-24 07:02:40 AM  
Like I need another reason not to vote for that plutocratic asshole...
 
2012-10-24 07:10:29 AM  
Now, this article presents only the facts it wants, but it STILL doesent say what this headline says.

NICE JOB SUBBY!!! you managed to read what you wanted to believe.
 
2012-10-24 07:14:41 AM  

xria: quatchi: Worst. Christians. EVAH.

Apart from the ones that burnt to death unpopular people in every community, or the ones that mass executed everyone that wouldn't give up their non-christian beliefs, or the ones that mass executed all the ones that believed something different about Christ/the church, or the ones that started off the various crusades to rid themselves of troublemakers, or all the popes and other senior clergy through most of history that spent their time whoring, feasting and profiteering off the gullible poor people that believed their lies, etc.


Point taken. 

"Worst. Contemporary. Christians." just seemed a little weak without any hyperbolic oomph albeit more precise to be sure.
 
2012-10-24 07:25:35 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?


FTFY
 
2012-10-24 07:27:57 AM  

FloydA: Because why not? Compassion and basic human decency are for losers! After all, as the Bible tells us "do unto others whatever you want because fark those people."


Hell, to the right wing, compassion and basic human decency are not only for losers, it is a cardinal sin to be brutally cracked down on. Anyone caught so much as feeding a stray kitten or trying to help a homeless mother in need is to be attacked on sight.
 
2012-10-24 07:30:12 AM  

Weaver95: BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.

I don't see how or why you'd believe something like that but...hey! if it helps you sleep at night then have at it.


People like them tend to sleep in the day, in a coffin containing their home soil.
 
2012-10-24 07:31:42 AM  

dletter: By combining support for same-sex marriage and civil unions for same-sex couples that provide the same benefits as marriage, a May 2012 poll showed that 62 percent of Americans support equal legal recognition of LGBT relationships.

And that number isn't going to go down as we go forward... you are on the wrong side of history GOP.

What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.

Of course, that is the reason why the candidates don't have public ops with kids.


What the hell does that have to do with anything? The way the constitution is set up is that unless the government is GRANTED rights to decide something, its the states job to do so. Ask that same ten year old how if the federal government isnt granted the right to determine that, why the state SHOULDNT determine it. I bet that ten year old would understand a little better than you.
 
2012-10-24 07:32:02 AM  

Soymilk: ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch

No cake?


This is Romney we're talking about. The cake is a lie.
 
2012-10-24 07:56:37 AM  

I sound fat: What the hell does that have to do with anything? The way the constitution is set up is that unless the government is GRANTED rights to decide something, its the states job to do so. Ask that same ten year old how if the federal government isnt granted the right to determine that, why the state SHOULDNT determine it. I bet that ten year old would understand a little better than you.


There's always the third option - that marriage shouldn't be decided by that federal government or the states, and should just be left up to the people involved.

You know, they way the constutition you're blathering on about said "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

Funny how state-righists and strict constructionists always forget how that amendment ends.
 
2012-10-24 08:10:04 AM  

dethmagnetic: One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?


That is one of those things that is done for pure spite.

I believe one of the governers either signed an order to that effect or considered it.
 
2012-10-24 08:26:50 AM  
Taking a play out of Scott Walker's playbook. Well, I guess I don't blame him. Walker won the recall election by a greater margin than he won his initial election. Never underestimate the power that bigotry holds over the average voter.
 
2012-10-24 08:27:46 AM  
The Obama media derp machine is in full emergency shiatstorm mode. You can smell the desperation like a burning pile of tires.
 
2012-10-24 08:29:11 AM  
Not really a federal government issue. Classic overreaching by the fed govt and intrusion into the lives of citizens and communities. When are we going to stand up and say hat this is not a totalitarian regime where the president makes decisions about all the things we can or cannot do as individuals?
 
2012-10-24 08:29:31 AM  
I heard that he might ban beer. Get him.
 
2012-10-24 08:57:07 AM  

Amos Quito: I've been watching as we rapidly shift toward a centralized authoritarian regime over the past several decades Two Hundred and Twenty Five Years, and THAT is some scary shiat.


If you're going to continue The Great American Debate, bring something new, or at least interesting to the table. I agree with you, but it's boring. Hell, just quote some Jefferson.
 
2012-10-24 08:57:59 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The Obama media derp machine is in full emergency shiatstorm mode. You can smell the desperation like a burning pile of tires.


Yeah, Obama's only up by about 60 electorate votes. He's scared shiatless.
 
2012-10-24 08:59:02 AM  
Well, that would certainly create a lot of jobs.
 
2012-10-24 08:59:57 AM  
img1.fark.net As he demonstrated conclusively at the debates, Mitt Romney is an asshole
 
2012-10-24 09:01:50 AM  
As a hospital employee, I don't see how the president could do this. We let people visit, we don't care, it's more important that the patient be comfortable. And you can give power of attorny(can't spell that word) to whoever you want.
 
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