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2012-10-23 05:02:52 PM
Is this before or after Trade-War with China?
 
2012-10-23 05:10:04 PM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?


I'm pretty sure the only thing he's not flip-flopped on is his saber-rattling as his first act as president. This is probably second or third.
 
2012-10-23 05:16:27 PM
When Romney wins, I guarantee this happens at never o'clock
 
2012-10-23 05:33:49 PM
Because why not? Compassion and basic human decency are for losers! After all, as the Bible tells us "do unto others whatever you want because fark those people."
 
2012-10-23 05:45:08 PM
Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.
 
2012-10-23 06:15:05 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.


9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch
 
2012-10-23 06:54:17 PM
He's a heartless bastard if he does. So, yeah, probably.
 
2012-10-23 07:36:32 PM
Will this be in the form of an executive decision or will this be the result of his bipartisan skills?
 
2012-10-23 08:03:55 PM

WorldCitizen: He's a heartless bastard if he does. So, yeah, probably.


but if we wait 40 min, odds are he'll change his mind on the whole issue.
 
2012-10-23 08:07:53 PM
None of that that comes before whatever Israel tells him to do.
 
2012-10-23 08:12:16 PM
Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.
 
2012-10-23 08:14:39 PM

Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.


lets hope the country isn't stupid enough to elect Romney. I think Obama's got this one in the bag but...ya just don't know till its over.
 
2012-10-23 08:14:48 PM

palladiate: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?

I'm pretty sure the only thing he's not flip-flopped on is his saber-rattling as his first act as president. This is probably second or third.


Who would trust him with a sharp piece of steel?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 08:16:09 PM
Yes, well this worked out well in the 1860's. Go for it Mittens.
 
2012-10-23 08:22:46 PM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.

lets hope the country isn't stupid enough to elect Romney. I think Obama's got this one in the bag but...ya just don't know till its over.


I don't even know, anymore. But I got a clue as to why last night when one of you fine gentlemen pointed out that CNN International posted Obama won the debate handily and CNN domestic said it was a tie (even though the details showed a 48-40 victory to Obama).

In the bag? I'm skeptical. I cannot fathom how Obama went from 90+% chance to win reelection to 60% in less than a week. Especially when Romney hasn't said anything of note or of truth in any of the debates. What do people out there who don't have a lot of time to get educated on the matter think? I read interviews of many voters and think 'no way'.
 
2012-10-23 08:24:09 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.


When does he rebuild the navy?
 
2012-10-23 08:24:46 PM
Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.
 
2012-10-23 08:27:57 PM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


I don't see how or why you'd believe something like that but...hey! if it helps you sleep at night then have at it.
 
2012-10-23 08:30:21 PM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


Yeah, the thought of one's partner dying alone in a hospital bed tends to bring that out in someone who could face that situation. But, I suppose that's what Jesus would want, so that's what the US federal government should endorse.
 
2012-10-23 08:31:14 PM
Because that's what Jesus would do.
 
2012-10-23 08:33:05 PM

Nadie_AZ:

In the bag? I'm skeptical. I cannot fathom how Obama went from 90+% chance to win reelection to 60% in less than a week. Especially when Romney hasn't said anything of note or of truth in any of the debates. What do people out there who don't have a lot of time to get educated on the matter think? I read interviews of many voters and think 'no way'.


it makes sense once you understand and accept the fact that the news organizations in this country are under no obligation to report factual information. they NEED this race to be close. that keeps people tuning into the race. more controversy == higher ratings == more money. so of course they're gonna lie and say everything is a tie. to them, it's just good marketing. that's all it is - just business. that's all.
 
2012-10-23 08:34:11 PM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


It's not a 'victory', nor is it a game.

/throw your shiat away
 
2012-10-23 08:38:07 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.

It's not a 'victory', nor is it a game.

/throw your shiat away


Nonsense, he views oppressing people as fun. He's a Republican.
 
2012-10-23 08:40:48 PM

Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.


Log Cabin Republicans are the urban professional gays with enough money that they think they'll be able to just buy their way out of any problems caused by legislation that makes gays second class citizens. Everyone I've talked to has been of the attitude "well I'm not really using my rights anyway and I'd really rather have money than rights when it comes right down to it". A lot of them are either very young gays who have no idea what it was like when cops used to bust into gay bars and crack open skulls just for shiats and giggles, or from rich families and grew up with an attitude that rich people do and should have more rights than the poor because they're a better class of people which is obvious because if they weren't better then they wouldn't be rich.
 
2012-10-23 08:52:40 PM
That sounds a lot like freedom to me.
 
2012-10-23 08:53:28 PM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


i977.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 09:01:49 PM
By combining support for same-sex marriage and civil unions for same-sex couples that provide the same benefits as marriage, a May 2012 poll showed that 62 percent of Americans support equal legal recognition of LGBT relationships.

And that number isn't going to go down as we go forward... you are on the wrong side of history GOP.

What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.

Of course, that is the reason why the candidates don't have public ops with kids.
 
2012-10-23 09:03:48 PM
And this from a sidebar of TFA:

Word Of Faith Fellowship Church Confined, Abused North Carolina Man For Being Gay: Report

I wonder who this church is rooting for this election?
 
2012-10-23 09:09:32 PM
I hear that one of his possible first acts in office will be to sacrifice the Obama children to his Aztec God.
 
2012-10-23 09:12:06 PM
Good for him. Hospitals are boring and no one really wants to visit, they just feel they are obliged to, now the gays have a built in excuse.

Now I am even more jealous, they get style, neatness, they don't get pressured to marry, now this. If they get the right to avoid those god awful jack and Jill wedding showers I'm calling my congressman.
 
2012-10-23 09:13:04 PM

I_C_Weener: I hear that one of his possible first acts in office will be to sacrifice the Obama children to his Aztec God.


nah. too small. besides, we've got plenty of tea baggers who will jump at the chance to die a painful death in a blood sacrifice to Romney's antediluvian gods.
 
2012-10-23 09:15:09 PM

EvilEgg: Good for him. Hospitals are boring and no one really wants to visit, they just feel they are obliged to, now the gays have a built in excuse.

Now I am even more jealous, they get style, neatness, they don't get pressured to marry, now this. If they get the right to avoid those god awful jack and Jill wedding showers I'm calling my congressman.



This a good point. I don't want my Mom gloating over me in hospital with cancer because I voted for Obama.

Romney should tighten this up to exclude all visitors not approved by the patient.
 
2012-10-23 09:25:07 PM

dletter: What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.



So, who should be allowed do decide such things? The Federal government?

It wasn't long ago that same sex marriage was recognized NOWHERE in the US. If the decision were left up to the Feds, do you think there is any chance that it would be recognized in the US today?

Seriously?

It took STATES acting under their Constitutionally endowed powers to break that grip - first one, then another and another.

Just about every time I hear "states rights" mentioned, some asshat brings up slavery, and tries to claim that only right-wing bigots want states rights.

I laugh.

A centralized authoritarian government is all good and well as long as you happen to agree with what it is doing, but the worm has a habit of turning, and first thing you know, you're FARKED.

So if you give GodSaint Obama the power to dictate such matters to your favor (YAY), don't cry when his replacement uses that same power to do exactly what you DON'T want (oh shiat!)

I've been watching as we rapidly shift toward a centralized authoritarian regime over the past several decades, and THAT is some scary shiat. 


/BE careful what you wish for
 
2012-10-23 09:31:55 PM
GODSAINT OBAMA SHALL SMITE HIS ENEMIES WITH HIS FIERY +3 SWORD OF SOCIALISM!
 
2012-10-23 09:40:58 PM

Amos Quito: dletter: What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.


So, who should be allowed do decide such things? The Federal government?

It wasn't long ago that same sex marriage was recognized NOWHERE in the US. If the decision were left up to the Feds, do you think there is any chance that it would be recognized in the US today?

Seriously?

It took STATES acting under their Constitutionally endowed powers to break that grip - first one, then another and another.

Just about every time I hear "states rights" mentioned, some asshat brings up slavery, and tries to claim that only right-wing bigots want states rights.

I laugh.

A centralized authoritarian government is all good and well as long as you happen to agree with what it is doing, but the worm has a habit of turning, and first thing you know, you're FARKED.

So if you give GodSaint Obama the power to dictate such matters to your favor (YAY), don't cry when his replacement uses that same power to do exactly what you DON'T want (oh shiat!)

I've been watching as we rapidly shift toward a centralized authoritarian regime over the past several decades, and THAT is some scary shiat. 


/BE careful what you wish for


Federal marriage issues:

1) Immigration. I can't sponsor my spouse, even if legally married in the US, for a green card. That requires the feds not a state by state thing.
2) Federal taxes. My employer allows same-sex partner benefits such as health insurance. However, the feds, unlike with straight married couples, tax those benefits as income increasing my tax burden way above a straight married couple.
3) Inheritance. Many of the same issues with taxation.
4) Military spouse benefits (or lack of) for same-sex partners.

And as far as who chooses who can visit whom in the hospital, it should be the patient. However, the laws now don't always recognize that. My asshole brother who I hate could override my partner and not allow my partner to visit me or make decisions for me (if I'm not able to do so) because he's recognized as family and my partner is not. If I'm not able to make any decisions due to my condition, again, my partner could be completely refused any contact with me or decision making in favor of some other "family" member who I might not even like or want making decisions for me. Thus, we need legal protections for such things.

Americans should have equal rights regardless of where they are in the United States. Thank you, 14th Amendment.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:31 PM
I highly doubt he'd do this. I think he'd pay lip service to it, but it wouldn't fly.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:49 PM
Don't observe Schrödinger's Mitt.
 
2012-10-23 09:53:47 PM

WorldCitizen: /BE careful what you wish for

Federal marriage issues:

1) Immigration. I can't sponsor my spouse, even if legally married in the US, for a green card. That requires the feds not a state by state thing.
2) Federal taxes. My employer allows same-sex partner benefits such as health insurance. However, the feds, unlike with straight married couples, tax those benefits as income increasing my tax burden way above a straight married couple.
3) Inheritance. Many of the same issues with taxation.
4) Military spouse benefits (or lack of) for same-sex partners.

And as far as who chooses who can visit whom in the hospital, it should be the patient. However, the laws now don't always recognize that. My asshole brother who I hate could override my partner and not allow my partner to visit me or make decisions for me (if I'm not able to do so) because he's recognized as family and my partner is not. If I'm not able to make any decisions due to my condition, again, my partner could be completely refused any contact with me or decision making in favor of some other "family" member who I might not even like or want making decisions for me. Thus, we need legal protections for such things.

Americans should have equal rights regardless of where they are in the United States. Thank you, 14th Amendment.



Aaaand you're immediately blind to the FACT that the ONLY reason you have ANY of these rights in ANY state is because of "state's rights".

I agree with you on every point, but you ASSUME that IF the fed is given supreme dictatorial power, it will ALWAYS do what YOU want.

It won't, and when it doesn't, you won't have the option of petitioning for redress at the STATE level, or moving to another state. You'll have to either bite the bullet, or leave the country.
 
2012-10-23 10:04:27 PM

Amos Quito: WorldCitizen: /BE careful what you wish for

Federal marriage issues:

1) Immigration. I can't sponsor my spouse, even if legally married in the US, for a green card. That requires the feds not a state by state thing.
2) Federal taxes. My employer allows same-sex partner benefits such as health insurance. However, the feds, unlike with straight married couples, tax those benefits as income increasing my tax burden way above a straight married couple.
3) Inheritance. Many of the same issues with taxation.
4) Military spouse benefits (or lack of) for same-sex partners.

And as far as who chooses who can visit whom in the hospital, it should be the patient. However, the laws now don't always recognize that. My asshole brother who I hate could override my partner and not allow my partner to visit me or make decisions for me (if I'm not able to do so) because he's recognized as family and my partner is not. If I'm not able to make any decisions due to my condition, again, my partner could be completely refused any contact with me or decision making in favor of some other "family" member who I might not even like or want making decisions for me. Thus, we need legal protections for such things.

Americans should have equal rights regardless of where they are in the United States. Thank you, 14th Amendment.


Aaaand you're immediately blind to the FACT that the ONLY reason you have ANY of these rights in ANY state is because of "state's rights".

I agree with you on every point, but you ASSUME that IF the fed is given supreme dictatorial power, it will ALWAYS do what YOU want.

It won't, and when it doesn't, you won't have the option of petitioning for redress at the STATE level, or moving to another state. You'll have to either bite the bullet, or leave the country.


I agree that it is good to let a state experiment with many things as long as it does not LIMIT a right otherwise provided to Americans outside of that state. Yes, it has been the more progressive states in the country which have moved the issue of equality forward in this case. Now, it's time for the Feds to step up and ensure equality for all Americans so that legally married Americans are treated the same across the federal level. We have the states to thank for pushing that up to the Feds as an issue. Now, it looks like after at the lower federal courts including now two appellate courts have overturned the section of DOMA prohibiting equal federal treatment for otherwise legally married Americans, it looks like the Supreme Court is going to take it up. One can then only hope they move in the same direction as their lower federal courts.

The same with racial segregation and laws against interracial marriage. It was NOT OK for some states to have legal segregation. The Feds finally did the right thing and ended segregation and passed Civil Rights legislation at the national level. Ultimately, states' rights should not be a license for states to discriminate against their own citizens or prohibit their citizens from rights that Americans outside their states otherwise have.

So yes, states' rights, but not states' rights to limit the rights of their own citizens that are otherwise guaranteed to the people in the US.
 
2012-10-23 10:13:29 PM
One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?
 
2012-10-23 10:30:09 PM
To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.

sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com

With all the BS that needs to be fixed, you really think he's going to spend a second on this. Libtard Logic -Yes, they are that stupid.
 
2012-10-23 10:31:11 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.


i.imgur.com
Uh oh, Romneybot is . . . uh, broken.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:12 PM

Brick-House: To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.


i.imgur.com

I love Freud.
 
2012-10-23 11:03:12 PM

dahmers love zombie: Brick-House: To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.

[i.imgur.com image 300x212]

I love Freud.


Oh how Lovey...

www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-10-23 11:22:49 PM

Brick-House: With all the BS that needs to be fixed, you really think he's going to spend a second on this. Libtard Logic -Yes, they are that stupid.


Well, he signed a pledge to. Do you not think he follows through on his pledges?
 
2012-10-23 11:31:22 PM
Whatever he does on the first day, he'll just do the opposite on the 2nd day once a few opinion polls come out
 
2012-10-23 11:40:56 PM

Brick-House: To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.

[sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com image 320x320]

With all the BS that needs to be fixed, you really think he's going to spend a second on this. Libtard Logic -Yes, they are that stupid.


Most of those things he won't be able to get through Congress, especially if the Democrats hold the Senate. This one, all he has to do is order someone to write up a memo and sign it.
 
2012-10-23 11:41:36 PM
Do the Koch brothers support this?

/Romney's just going to rubber stamp what they push through Congress anyway.
 
2012-10-23 11:49:59 PM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


It actually smells more like the skid marks in your pants.

Seriously, go back to Freepland and load up with more than third-rate dogshiat.
 
2012-10-23 11:49:59 PM
Eddie Izzard reference already? LOVE FARK
 
2012-10-23 11:51:50 PM
And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.
 
2012-10-23 11:52:20 PM
Wait, are we talking about Gov. Romney, presidential candidate Romney, or debater Romney? You'll need to be more specific.
 
2012-10-23 11:52:53 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.


Yeah, but think about it. After that he has four years to convert the country to LDS
 
2012-10-23 11:52:55 PM

coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.


That's really something? Not just an American Dad episode?
 
2012-10-23 11:53:25 PM

ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch


Well done!

/Just don't go in that farking White House!
 
2012-10-23 11:54:16 PM
the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.
 
2012-10-23 11:56:45 PM
You say that like we currently have that right. We don't. I've relayed this story before, but the first time I tried to visit my SO in the hospital, I was called every slur under the sun, threatened with arrest and thrown out of the building. In fact, this is a major part of why I don't believe in the half-assed cop-out that is "Civil unions."

/I usually don't care too much about the insults, but that one got me.
//They wouldn't even tell me whether she was going to survive or not.
///She did, thank everything.
 
2012-10-23 11:57:56 PM
were farked no matter what.

start firing congressmen instead of biatching the prez progress will ensue.

firing congressmen/wimen by firing squad will greatly improve matters.
 
2012-10-23 11:58:01 PM

dethmagnetic: One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?


It helps God-fearing Americans sleep at night knowing that the subhumans don't live like the rest of us.
 
2012-10-24 12:00:09 AM

colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.


Your post - t would have been just as effective if you placed 13 ellipses in a row followed by "best part. forever!"
 
2012-10-24 12:00:15 AM

coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.


The log cabin Republicans have been known to have a wide stance on the issue.
 
2012-10-24 12:01:03 AM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.

lets hope the country isn't stupid enough to elect Romney. I think Obama's got this one in the bag but...ya just don't know till its over.


i203.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-24 12:01:31 AM

ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch


So when's the cake?
 
2012-10-24 12:02:17 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: You say that like we currently have that right. We don't. I've relayed this story before, but the first time I tried to visit my SO in the hospital, I was called every slur under the sun, threatened with arrest and thrown out of the building. In fact, this is a major part of why I don't believe in the half-assed cop-out that is "Civil unions."

/I usually don't care too much about the insults, but that one got me.
//They wouldn't even tell me whether she was going to survive or not.
///She did, thank everything.



That's absolutely horrific and it's disgusting that you had to go through that.

When did it happen, if you don't mind my asking?
 
2012-10-24 12:03:20 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: You say that like we currently have that right. We don't. I've relayed this story before, but the first time I tried to visit my SO in the hospital, I was called every slur under the sun, threatened with arrest and thrown out of the building. In fact, this is a major part of why I don't believe in the half-assed cop-out that is "Civil unions."

/I usually don't care too much about the insults, but that one got me.
//They wouldn't even tell me whether she was going to survive or not.
///She did, thank everything.


Can I ask where this happened? I could NEVER imagine that happening up here.
 
2012-10-24 12:03:29 AM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

In the bag? I'm skeptical. I cannot fathom how Obama went from 90+% chance to win reelection to 60% in less than a week. Especially when Romney hasn't said anything of note or of truth in any of the debates. What do people out there who don't have a lot of time to get educated on the matter think? I read interviews of many voters and think 'no way'.

it makes sense once you understand and accept the fact that the news organizations in this country are under no obligation to report factual information. they NEED this race to be close. that keeps people tuning into the race. more controversy == higher ratings == more money. so of course they're gonna lie and say everything is a tie. to them, it's just good marketing. that's all it is - just business. that's all.


The problem is that I think that media coverage in turn drives the polls.
 
2012-10-24 12:05:14 AM

colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.


Come on. You know you want this farking shiat to happen.
 
2012-10-24 12:05:25 AM

themindiswatching: Do the Koch brothers support this?

/Romney's just going to rubber stamp what they push through Congress anyway.


Absolutely. It was something Scott Walker attempted to stop almost immediately after he was sworn into office.
 
2012-10-24 12:05:42 AM

ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch


No cake?
 
2012-10-24 12:07:33 AM
FTFA:

Romney campaign adviser Bay Buchanan told Buzzfeed's Chris Geidner, "Governor Romney also believes, consistent with the 10th Amendment, that it should be left to states to decide whether to grant same-sex couples certain benefits, such as hospital visitation rights and the ability to adopt children."

If the article were written in the 1960s:

Romney campaign adviser Bay Buchanan told Buzzfeed's Chris Geidner, "Governor Romney also believes, consistent with the 10th Amendment, that it should be left to states to decide whether to grant same-sex interracial couples certain benefits, such as hospital visitation rights and the ability to adopt children."
 
2012-10-24 12:08:03 AM
I wish bigotry was a capital offense.....
 
2012-10-24 12:08:45 AM
Brick-House (farkied: Dumb as a brick): To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.

[sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com image 320x320]

With all the BS that needs to be fixed, you really think he's going to spend a second on this. Libtard Logic -Yes, they are that stupid.


Here, folks, we have the Publican modus operandi:

* Crater the economy.
* Propose their goose-stepping Bible-thumping Gott-mit-uns agenda.
* Yell that the economy needs to be fixed when sane people object to their goose-stepping Bible-thumping Gott-mit-uns agenda.
 
2012-10-24 12:11:22 AM
They will take the word of a random person on a cell phone, but not the person standing in front of them. Link

Well worth the ~10 minutes.
 
2012-10-24 12:12:15 AM

Genevieve Marie: That's absolutely horrific and it's disgusting that you had to go through that. When did it happen, if you don't mind my asking?


organizmx: Can I ask where this happened? I could NEVER imagine that happening up here.


About two years ago, Texas (the most obviously expected answer in the history of questions, heh). I don't want to go into any more detail in case any of the hospital staff reads this, but thankyou both. :)
 
2012-10-24 12:12:43 AM

whidbey: colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.

Come on. You know you want this farking shiat to happen.


your homosexuality is none of my concern.
 
2012-10-24 12:14:16 AM
the virulently anti-gay NOM

getfile1.posterous.com
 
2012-10-24 12:14:21 AM

dethmagnetic: One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?


When have Republicans ever helped anybody, anywhere? Excluding rich benefactors, of course. Even the people they claim to 'help' on social issues are taking it on the chin financially.

Seriously, what have Republicans ever done for the average American?

/not directed at you, Deth
//just venting
 
2012-10-24 12:17:57 AM

colon_pow: whidbey: colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.

Come on. You know you want this farking shiat to happen.

your homosexuality is none of my concern.


You really don't think this is going to happen?
 
2012-10-24 12:19:22 AM
This is why my friend went to grad school in Canada (and took his partner with him). They're citizens soon. Don't blame them.

Next you'll be telling me that people oppose same sex couples adopting childrrn together, even children they've fostered together. Because life in the foster care system is better than having two mommies or daddies who both equally can claim to be your legal guardian as they jointly provide you a home.
 
2012-10-24 12:21:48 AM
Wow, the one thing even most of the the anti-Gays don't usually see a problem with, and Romney has to suck up to NOM.

What

A

Douche.
 
2012-10-24 12:22:02 AM
I greatly dislike Mitt, but anyone up in arms about this is a chicken-little style moron. The president has no ability to make a decree to this nature, and he loves money more than he loves the idea of becoming his own God. Porn is big money and so are abortions. He will NEVER touch these things.
 
2012-10-24 12:23:05 AM
"Governor Romney also believes, consistent with the 10th Amendment, that it should be left to states to decide whether to grant same-sex couples certain benefits, such as hospital visitation rights and the ability to adopt children."

He may not be able to cut their balls off like the Nazis did, but he's going to make damn sure they don't have children.

Foster care will also be denied to homosexuals who want to take a child in.

Feel the love people. Feel the love.
 
2012-10-24 12:25:32 AM

Nrokreffefp: I greatly dislike Mitt, but anyone up in arms about this is a chicken-little style moron. The president has no ability to make a decree to this nature, and he loves money more than he loves the idea of becoming his own God. Porn is big money and so are abortions. He will NEVER touch these things.


Um, you might want to Google "Republican party platform gay marriage" before you have a motivational poster made for you with those famous last words.
 
2012-10-24 12:26:41 AM
Mitt Romney - "Well, yes. I'm going to want to see a marriage limited to a man and a woman. I don't want to see civil union either.:

Mitt Romney - " I'd far prefer having the representers people make that decision than justices. But I believe the issue of marriage should be decided at the federal level."

Mitt Romney - "As a result of our discussions and other interactions with gay and lesbian voters across the state, I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent."
 
2012-10-24 12:27:38 AM
may....possible...might

Your insecurity is showing.
 
2012-10-24 12:29:15 AM

Soymilk: ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch

No cake?


No cake, no raktajino, no method.
 
2012-10-24 12:30:27 AM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: When Romney wins, I guarantee this happens at never o'clock


Mostly because, y'know, the feds don't and in many ways can't micromanage hospital policy at that level.

The only leverage the feds have on hospital policy lies in setting the conditions required to allow an institution to accept medicare. Even beyond the impracticality of attaching such a large stick to such a nitpicking issue and being "the guy that got everyone to stop taking medicare", if Romney follows through on his voucher idea, no more leverage to begin with. Among other neato effects: no one is required to have emergency rooms anymore. That'll be fun.

//Summary: how about we just don't vote Romney then.
 
2012-10-24 12:31:14 AM
If Romney is elected, gays won't be able to visit their loved ones in the hospital because of all the dead bodies of the uninsured piling up outside the emergency room.
 
2012-10-24 12:31:26 AM
Obama's first job for his second term should be an immediate executive order making gay marriage legal in all states and territories and that no state shall, at anytime, interfere with this order.
 
2012-10-24 12:32:28 AM

Brick-House: To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.

[sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com image 320x320]

With all the BS that needs to be fixed, you really think he's going to spend a second on this. Libtard Logic -Yes, they are that stupid.


You're right. Romney's going to concentrate on the important stuff. Like killing Big Bird.

Actually, he'll defund PBS in order to kill programs like Frontline. It keeps making award-winning documentaries about corruption, fraud and other things near and dear to Romney's heart.

Another amazing documentary Romney and his neo-cons oppose is The Bombing of Germany, made by PBS in 2010. You see, Romney and his war-hawks don't want the American people to know there was a time when our military opposed the bombing of civilians. In the space of 6 years, the US military went from calling for a ban on all bombing of civilians to burning entire cities and their inhabitants, with conventional and atomic weapons. Shock and Awe would never have been allowed under our 1939 bombing doctrine. We can't have that kind of belief system if we are going to destroy Iran.

So that's why Romney will do the hard work of killing Big Bird. Because Romney doesn't want to admit he actually wants to kill truth, knowledge and wisdom. All three of which are troublesome to a oligarchy.
 
2012-10-24 12:33:07 AM
No one really LIKES Romney. Democrats sure as hell don't care for him. Republicans only tolerate him because he is the only hope of unseating Obama, which is their only political goal.

Obama has been demonized like no other President before; birth certificate, secret Muslim, apology tour, socialist, communist, Marxist, where is his college transcripts, Taxed Enough Already, wants to destroy America, hates America's exceptional quality, YOU LIE...

Romney is not even relevant in this election, it is a referendum on Obama. That is the level to which the GOP has conned right wing America, they actually believe a creepy f*cking Mormon who cannot stick to an ideal other than lowering taxes on the rich is the better option.

Oh, and by the way, now Romney will also toss America backwards on gay rights. Historians will marvel that even in 2012 America remained on the wrong side of the issue.

But hey, at least we will have less Big Bird and more battleships!
 
2012-10-24 12:33:48 AM

Nrokreffefp: I greatly dislike Mitt, but anyone up in arms about this is a chicken-little style moron. The president has no ability to make a decree to this nature, and he loves money more than he loves the idea of becoming his own God. Porn is big money and so are abortions. He will NEVER touch these things.


Did you even read the article?

FTFA: In April 2010, recognizing the extraordinary miscarriage of justice and horrifying stories of families being split apart when fathers, mothers, husbands and wives were barred from visiting one another in the hospital, Barack Obama signed an executive order mandating that any hospital that receives government funding (including Medicare and Medicaid) recognize the relationships between gays and lesbians.

The whole thing is just built on an executive order (presidential decree), so all Romney has to do is sign one reversing it.
 
2012-10-24 12:34:39 AM
He's just telling people what they want to hear.
 
2012-10-24 12:34:49 AM
Silly rapeblican and their obsession with who's screwing who
 
2012-10-24 12:38:49 AM
Not like he has the gay vote right now anyway.
 
2012-10-24 12:39:05 AM
Just got done watching the 3rd debate on Tivo (fromlast night).

Makes me glad again that I'm backing both Stein and Johnson in this race. The middle blows. The far right and far left are the "better middle" on a circle......for sure.
 
2012-10-24 12:41:06 AM
I need a Romney supporter (or anyone that supports this sort of change) to explain to me how this does anything positive. There are gay people having sex right now and no matter how hard I try, I can never stop that from happening even if I outlawed that particular behavior in every country in the world. Gay people visiting at the hospital affects my life even less than that, but I'll bet it improves their lives quite a bit.
 
2012-10-24 12:42:49 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Rename Obamacare "Romneycare"
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.


FTFY...
 
2012-10-24 12:43:54 AM

Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.


Is that really what they said? Paraphrased, I'm sure, but I REALLY couldn't picture them being THAT stupid.
 
2012-10-24 12:44:59 AM
I'm not sure if there are many real Romney supporters, just a lot of Obama detractors.
 
2012-10-24 12:45:00 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?


I used to own at Trade Wars back in the door game days. If Romney is elected, I will swallow my liberal pride and he can leave this one with me. It'll give him more time to keep his boot heel on the throats of the gays, the women, the atheists, the poors and Big Bird.

/Loafer heel? Like he wears boots.
 
2012-10-24 12:46:08 AM

EvilEgg: Good for him. Hospitals are boring and no one really wants to visit, they just feel they are obliged to, now the gays have a built in excuse.

Now I am even more jealous, they get style, neatness, they don't get pressured to marry, now this. If they get the right to avoid those god awful jack and Jill wedding showers I'm calling my congressman.


All right, that's pretty damned funny.
 
2012-10-24 12:47:42 AM

ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch


What about the afternoon tea?
 
2012-10-24 12:48:04 AM

Nrokreffefp: I greatly dislike Mitt, but anyone up in arms about this is a chicken-little style moron. The president has no ability to make a decree to this nature, and he loves money more than he loves the idea of becoming his own God. Porn is big money and so are abortions. He will NEVER touch these things.


Ahh yes, the abortion industrial complex. Amniotic gold right there.
 
2012-10-24 12:48:09 AM
well fark that
 
2012-10-24 12:50:54 AM
One of the best things I have ever seen was back in 2008 when my best friend's partner of 12 years wound up in the hospital with an aortic dissection.

This hambeast of a nurse tried to keep him out of the ICU after his operation because he wasn't "real family" which started my friend on an HUGE loud fit.

The cardiologist came out asking what the hell was going on and once the situation was explained proceeded to lay down the most epic verbal beatdown on the nurse which left her in incoherent, terrified tears.

/csb
 
2012-10-24 12:50:56 AM

coeyagi: colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.

Your post - t would have been just as effective if you placed 13 ellipses in a row followed by "best part. forever!"


I miss winterwhile. His schtick was years ahead of the other agitants.
 
2012-10-24 12:51:24 AM

Amos Quito: So, who should be allowed do decide such things? The Federal government?


Yeah. If I were Gay and my significant other were to get seriously sick while we were out of state, I sure wouldn't want to be on the Internet trying to figure out if I could visit him where we were, and then deciding if it was worth it to risk moving him to a closer state that DOES allow this.

Sometimes the Feds are there to provide consistency. It's the same thing with education. If we take away Fed oversight of schooling requirements, you're going to run into kids with High School diplomas that aren't accepted because they came from a state like Kansas or Utah that doesn't give two farks about the quality of education their students get.

Yeah, I see your other argument about how it is individual states who have granted Gay marriage rights, and not the Feds, but I stand by my statement. Besides, Romney would be repealing a Federal policy already in place to TAKE AWAY this right, so your analogy doesn't really work, even though it is related.
 
2012-10-24 12:51:37 AM

grimlock1972: Not like he has the gay vote right now anyway.


Outside of Log Cabin Republicans, no. But I'm hoping people like my family and friends from a Midwestern small town who have a history of voting Republican who are now congratulating me on my same-sex engagement and welcoming my partner into the family start to think about that vote in November.
 
2012-10-24 12:51:40 AM

Brick-House: To all the libtards out there, here's a full moon to howell at.

[sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com image 320x320]

With all the BS that needs to be fixed, you really think he's going to spend a second on this. Libtard Logic -Yes, they are that stupid.


Excellent point! It will be just like in 2010 when the Tea Party took Congress on the theme of Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, that's just what they focused on. They didn't waste time voting 30 times to repeal Obamacare, or vote to defund Planned Parenthood, or suppress women's access to abortion. It would indeed be stupid to think Romney would ignore something as important as the economy to work solely on social issues.  Libtards indeed!
 
2012-10-24 12:53:33 AM

GoodyearPimp: I need a Romney supporter (or anyone that supports this sort of change) to explain to me how this does anything positive. There are gay people having sex right now and no matter how hard I try, I can never stop that from happening even if I outlawed that particular behavior in every country in the world. Gay people visiting at the hospital affects my life even less than that, but I'll bet it improves their lives quite a bit.


I'm not a Romney supporter but I talk to several a day. I'd go with

A) Denial
B) Since you're calling me out I'll begrudgingly agree but it doesn't matter bc Obama is so awful
C) (likely said in oblique terms) that's encouraging the "lifestyle"

Or the best and rarest case scenario,

D) I'll admit that's f--ked up, supporting Romney bc my family is still struggling economically maybe I'll reconsider

/don't talk to folks about LGBT issues, still can call responses based on completely unsolicited Obama rant responses
 
2012-10-24 12:53:42 AM

GoodyearPimp: I need a Romney supporter (or anyone that supports this sort of change) to explain to me how this does anything positive. There are gay people having sex right now and no matter how hard I try, I can never stop that from happening even if I outlawed that particular behavior in every country in the world. Gay people visiting at the hospital affects my life even less than that, but I'll bet it improves their lives quite a bit.


If little Susie and Billy grow up in a world where the government actively condones and protects homosexuality then how will it look when Mommy and Daddy and pastor Bob have to say that such a lifestyle choice is wrong?

And why should taxpayer dollars go to supporting a lifestyle that the majority deems sinful?

Next you'll be saying that we have to respect marriages of other religions. As if any Hindu couple living in sin is really married in the eyes of the Lord!

We'll be backsliding into sin in no time if we stay on the course Obama has us on. Protestants and Catholics living together! Mass hysteria!
 
2012-10-24 12:54:17 AM

Dinobot: What about the afternoon tea?


Can't drink tea. He's Mormon, and the Church just made it official. The Words of Wisdom specifically mentions 'hot' drinks, which includes coffee and tea, but Coke and other caffeinated beverages are A-OK.

Link
 
2012-10-24 12:56:25 AM

Mikey1969: Rename Obamacare "Romneycare"


Well, why not? That would fix the part that people don't like.

theobamapart.jpg
 
2012-10-24 12:56:47 AM

Brytanica1: One of the best things I have ever seen was back in 2008 when my best friend's partner of 12 years wound up in the hospital with an aortic dissection.

This hambeast of a nurse tried to keep him out of the ICU after his operation because he wasn't "real family" which started my friend on an HUGE loud fit.

The cardiologist came out asking what the hell was going on and once the situation was explained proceeded to lay down the most epic verbal beatdown on the nurse which left her in incoherent, terrified tears.

/csb


There are good people in this world. Must not forget.

My friend was worried his douchey conservative relatives would come out of the ignoring him woodwork to oppose his husband in such a scenario. As awesome as that doctor totally was I sadly wouldn't blame him if he deferred to blood relatives esp in certain states.
 
2012-10-24 12:58:55 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: You say that like we currently have that right. We don't. I've relayed this story before, but the first time I tried to visit my SO in the hospital, I was called every slur under the sun, threatened with arrest and thrown out of the building. In fact, this is a major part of why I don't believe in the half-assed cop-out that is "Civil unions."

/I usually don't care too much about the insults, but that one got me.
//They wouldn't even tell me whether she was going to survive or not.
///She did, thank everything.




Civil Unions are bullshiat, I agree, but maybe you didn't read all of TFA?


In April 2010, recognizing the extraordinary miscarriage of justice and horrifying stories of families being split apart when fathers, mothers, husbands and wives were barred from visiting one another in the hospital, Barack Obama signed an executive order mandating that any hospital that receives government funding (including Medicare and Medicaid) recognize the relationships between gays and lesbians.

Here's the executive order itself
Link
 
2012-10-24 01:00:09 AM
My friend is gay and her SO had to go in for emergency surgery and knowing she could be hassled (she has faced bullshiat like this all her life) she just told the hospital staff she was her sister and had not one issue. She shouldn't have had to do that but it was better than not being allowed in at all. Romney can EABOD.
 
2012-10-24 01:00:48 AM

Dinobot: What about the afternoon tea?


HEINZ BAKED BEANS
 
2012-10-24 01:01:34 AM

Mikey1969: Dinobot: What about the afternoon tea?

Can't drink tea. He's Mormon, and the Church just made it official. The Words of Wisdom specifically mentions 'hot' drinks, which includes coffee and tea, but Coke and other caffeinated beverages are A-OK.

Link


But hot cocoa is okay.

So it's not hot drinks, or caffeine, but hot caffeinated drinks.

Arbitrary bullshiat made to keep people in line. Very cultish.
 
2012-10-24 01:01:53 AM

Amos Quito: dletter: What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.


So, who should be allowed do decide such things? The Federal government?

It wasn't long ago that same sex marriage was recognized NOWHERE in the US. If the decision were left up to the Feds, do you think there is any chance that it would be recognized in the US today?

Seriously?

It took STATES acting under their Constitutionally endowed powers to break that grip - first one, then another and another.

Just about every time I hear "states rights" mentioned, some asshat brings up slavery, and tries to claim that only right-wing bigots want states rights.

I laugh.

A centralized authoritarian government is all good and well as long as you happen to agree with what it is doing, but the worm has a habit of turning, and first thing you know, you're FARKED.

So if you give GodSaint Obama the power to dictate such matters to your favor (YAY), don't cry when his replacement uses that same power to do exactly what you DON'T want (oh shiat!)

I've been watching as we rapidly shift toward a centralized authoritarian regime over the past several decades, and THAT is some scary shiat. 


/BE careful what you wish for


The problem with your argument re states' deciding who gets to do what is that some states will recognize certain things (like gay marriage) and some states won't. There are a few basic rights the Constitution and constitutional case law agree that we all are supposed to have via the Full Faith & Credit Clause and the Immunities & Privileges Clause; but the problem is that only the Federal government has the power to enforce those rights. That was what happened during the Civil Rights era, beginning with Brown v. Board of Education: The southern states didn't want to extend those privileges, citing states' rights, and the Federal government said, Sorry, you have to do it.

In some cases, allowing states to say who gets to do what inside their own borders is fine and dandy, assuming only the state's money is being spent. If, for instance, California wants to say medical marijuana dispensaries are okay and our cops are not going to bust them, that's our prerogative; but we can't stop the Feds from coming in and shutting the whole thing down. When it comes to certain fundamental rights, like voting, then states have no rights then can enforce against the will of the federal government. And where states receive federal monies (money that ALL Americans contribute to) the Feds have the right to tell the states what to do in order to keep receiving that money--like, for instance, hospitals having to allow same-sex couples access to each other in order to get Medicare money.

States cannot have the kind of "rights" they think they want, because states are not independent of the rest of the country. To be able to dictate things like who can marry whom or who can live where or who has a right to work, states would have to be free of Constitutional restrictions, which would mean they would have to be free of Federal oversight--which would mean no longer being part of the UNITED States of America. If some states really want that, that's okay by me, if they and their citizens have really thought through exactly what that would mean for them. I don't really think that there are more than one or two states that could survive if cut free of America, and certainly not the ones who are agitating loudest for "states' rights By God!" but if they want to try, more power to them
 
2012-10-24 01:03:33 AM
Fortunately for gay people, and other humans, that douchebag will never be President.
 
2012-10-24 01:05:34 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Fortunately for gay people, and other humans, that douchebag will never be President.


Don't be so sure. Romney owns voting machines in Ohio and other key states. He also probably owns 5 members of the SCOTUS. He might not win the election but he could end up stealing it.
 
2012-10-24 01:09:25 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Lionel Mandrake: Fortunately for gay people, and other humans, that douchebag will never be President.

Don't be so sure. Romney owns voting machines in Ohio and other key states. He also probably owns 5 members of the SCOTUS. He might not win the election but he could end up stealing it.


Ordinarily I'd dismiss that as tinfoil nuttery, but

img.timeinc.net

On to the Republican-controlled House. Yeah it is scary.
 
2012-10-24 01:09:33 AM

WorldCitizen: He's a heartless bastard if he does. So, yeah, probably.


1. If Romney does this, he's a heartless bastard. [Premise]
2. Romney is a heartless bastard [Assumption]
3. Thus, Romney will probably do this.

Fallacy: Affirming the consequent.

If A, then B. B, therefore, A.

E.g., If Joe is a Freeper, then he's a mouth breather. Joe's a mouth breather. So, probably, Joe's a Freeper. No, Joe could also be a Libtard.

E.g., If Mr. Rogers is a member of Al qaeda, then he is a terrorist. Mr. Rogers is a terrorist. So, probably, Mr. Rogers is a terrorist. No, Mr. Rogers could belong to Hezbollah, or the Irish Republican Army.
 
2012-10-24 01:10:17 AM

sendtodave: Mikey1969: Rename Obamacare "Romneycare"

Well, why not? That would fix the part that people don't like.

theobamapart.jpg


Pretty much. Scary thought that they will expel this much hatred while supporting the guy that inspired Obamacare.
 
2012-10-24 01:16:14 AM

whidbey: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Lionel Mandrake: Fortunately for gay people, and other humans, that douchebag will never be President.

Don't be so sure. Romney owns voting machines in Ohio and other key states. He also probably owns 5 members of the SCOTUS. He might not win the election but he could end up stealing it.

Ordinarily I'd dismiss that as tinfoil nuttery, but

[img.timeinc.net image 400x527]

On to the Republican-controlled House. Yeah it is scary.


www.reformation.org

LBJ won a Texas election with his magical Precinct 13 ballot box. It always had just enough votes to let him win. He kept this photo with him in the White House. Used to chuckle over it.
 
2012-10-24 01:16:15 AM
It is absolutely stupid, and irresponsible to make threats against China as a goal for your first day in office. What point would it serve?

One of major goals of the USA created post-WWII international regime was to foster capitalism by providing markets for developing market goods. Fundamentally, this US policy has lifted the entire world economy. The goal has always been to use the power of economic capitalism and free markets to foster political liberalism and democratization. It is hardly time to reverse course on this policy.
 
2012-10-24 01:18:24 AM
This is one of those things I can't wrap my head around. Why is anyone regulating who gets to visit somebody in the hospital, other than the patient. I can see limiting the -number- of visitors per patient at one time, but it shouldn't matter who the hell it is, as long as the patient wants them there.

/Yes, that goes for you hospital admins too. Not your damn business who visits your customer.
 
2012-10-24 01:19:50 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Used to chuckle over it.


It was probably that guy on the far left. I'd bet he could you which way to vote.
 
2012-10-24 01:20:28 AM
tell
 
2012-10-24 01:22:45 AM

vpb: Yes, well this worked out well in the 1860's. Go for it Mittens.


well he wants more horses and bayonettes so....
 
2012-10-24 01:24:10 AM
Wow. I know subby is an idiot... bit no he didn't. Obama had the same view on it vexing a state matter until this year. Go screw. Romney would do nothing, he would leave it to the states. Seriously liberals. Stop lying. It makes you look silly. Romney would not put a federal mandate on no visitation rights. You are lying. Constantly.
 
2012-10-24 01:26:30 AM

MyRandomName: Seriously liberals. Stop lying. It makes you look silly. Romney would not put a federal mandate on no visitation rights. You are lying. Constantly.


The only "constant" I see here is your white-knighting.


I already know you're not a serious poster here, but anyone who might possibly entertain such thoughts need only refer to the Republican Party Platform, and you bet Romney is going to make sure gays cant get married or see each other in the hospital. Stop trolling.
 
2012-10-24 01:34:16 AM

MyRandomName: he would leave it to the states.


Which is actually a problem...
 
2012-10-24 01:35:30 AM
Maybe this would happen...
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-24 01:35:32 AM
Ftfa:"This week Romney apparently believes that it should be up to the states to decide whether or not a spouse or child of gay and lesbian men and women should have the right to visit their loved ones in the hospital."

How does this come close to subby's headline?
 
2012-10-24 01:36:14 AM

WhyteRaven74: MyRandomName: he would leave it to the states.

Which is actually a problem...


And as usual, you boil it down with the voice of reason. Kudos as always.
 
2012-10-24 01:42:47 AM

tjfly: Ftfa:"This week Romney apparently believes that it should be up to the states to decide whether or not a spouse or child of gay and lesbian men and women should have the right to visit their loved ones in the hospital."

How does this come close to subby's headline?


Why the hell would you want to leave it to the states unless you want the states to ban it, especially since you know the deep red states will do so?
 
2012-10-24 01:48:16 AM

Bhasayate: WorldCitizen: He's a heartless bastard if he does. So, yeah, probably.

1. If Romney does this, he's a heartless bastard. [Premise]
2. Romney is a heartless bastard [Assumption]
3. Thus, Romney will probably do this.

Fallacy: Affirming the consequent.

If A, then B. B, therefore, A.

E.g., If Joe is a Freeper, then he's a mouth breather. Joe's a mouth breather. So, probably, Joe's a Freeper. No, Joe could also be a Libtard.

E.g., If Mr. Rogers is a member of Al qaeda, then he is a terrorist. Mr. Rogers is a terrorist. So, probably, Mr. Rogers is a terrorist. No, Mr. Rogers could belong to Hezbollah, or the Irish Republican Army.


I see you need to review pull out and pay careful attention to your Hurley.

/Start with Chapter 1.1.
 
2012-10-24 01:48:24 AM

colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.


Do you not believe Romney will follow through on his pledges?
 
2012-10-24 01:56:23 AM

WorldCitizen: Amos Quito: WorldCitizen: /BE careful what you wish for

Federal marriage issues:

1) Immigration. I can't sponsor my spouse, even if legally married in the US, for a green card. That requires the feds not a state by state thing.
2) Federal taxes. My employer allows same-sex partner benefits such as health insurance. However, the feds, unlike with straight married couples, tax those benefits as income increasing my tax burden way above a straight married couple.
3) Inheritance. Many of the same issues with taxation.
4) Military spouse benefits (or lack of) for same-sex partners.

And as far as who chooses who can visit whom in the hospital, it should be the patient. However, the laws now don't always recognize that. My asshole brother who I hate could override my partner and not allow my partner to visit me or make decisions for me (if I'm not able to do so) because he's recognized as family and my partner is not. If I'm not able to make any decisions due to my condition, again, my partner could be completely refused any contact with me or decision making in favor of some other "family" member who I might not even like or want making decisions for me. Thus, we need legal protections for such things.

Americans should have equal rights regardless of where they are in the United States. Thank you, 14th Amendment.


Aaaand you're immediately blind to the FACT that the ONLY reason you have ANY of these rights in ANY state is because of "state's rights".

I agree with you on every point, but you ASSUME that IF the fed is given supreme dictatorial power, it will ALWAYS do what YOU want.

It won't, and when it doesn't, you won't have the option of petitioning for redress at the STATE level, or moving to another state. You'll have to either bite the bullet, or leave the country.

I agree that it is good to let a state experiment with many things as long as it does not LIMIT a right otherwise provided to Americans outside of that state. Yes, it has been the more progressive ...


The important distinction is the Federal government, in this case, is saying the state cannot limit the rights of a certain group.

This leads to the ever present question of does the 14th in many ways, supersede the 10th. In a very weird way, it states that any states laws automatically become federal law.

Of course, I am not a lawyer, so this is my layman interpretation.

As a side note, just as many (or more) states are trying to limit (or stop) same sex marriage as are progressing it.
 
2012-10-24 02:15:34 AM

Ghastly: Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.

Log Cabin Republicans are the urban professional gays with enough money that they think they'll be able to just buy their way out of any problems caused by legislation that makes gays second class citizens. Everyone I've talked to has been of the attitude "well I'm not really using my rights anyway and I'd really rather have money than rights when it comes right down to it". A lot of them are either very young gays who have no idea what it was like when cops used to bust into gay bars and crack open skulls just for shiats and giggles, or from rich families and grew up with an attitude that rich people do and should have more rights than the poor because they're a better class of people which is obvious because if they weren't better then they wouldn't be rich.


In other words, they're typical Republicans. The problem with the modern GOP is a complete inability to empathize with people who come from a different background and this is part and parcel with all of that.
 
2012-10-24 02:16:35 AM

whidbey: And as usual, you boil it down with the voice of reason. Kudos as always.


The dirty underbelly of states rights, you leave it to states to decide that some Americans aren't equal to others.
 
2012-10-24 02:20:58 AM

timujin: colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.

Do you not believe Romney will follow through on his pledges?


You'll need to be a little more specific. Some of my developers have a version control system that works well, but even it can only handle 2-3 revisions per second before two changes will corrupt each other. With Romney, we'll need to go down to millisecond versioning.
 
2012-10-24 02:22:10 AM

dethmagnetic: One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?


Because Religion.
 
2012-10-24 02:47:48 AM
Way to keep the federal government out of our lives eh GOP?
 
2012-10-24 02:50:41 AM

Old enough to know better: Way to keep the federal government out of our lives eh GOP?


They keep the government out of their lives. Yours are completely game if not a necessity.
 
2012-10-24 03:03:03 AM

WhyteRaven74: The dirty underbelly of states rights, you leave it to states to decide that some Americans aren't equal to others.


Indeed. Many people forget that states rights are not civil rights and civil rights should not be voted on by the masses.
 
2012-10-24 03:06:48 AM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


Adorable!
 
2012-10-24 03:07:05 AM
fark that guy.
 
2012-10-24 03:19:33 AM
C'mon, people, civil disobedience. First of all, I would count on a critical mass of hospital administrators to ensure that "loved ones" meant just that when it comes to visitation.
Secondly, even if administrators didn't step up, how many gun-toting guards do you see at hospitals? If my beloved were lying up there lonesome and in pain, no phalanx of muscular floor matrons could keep me away. It would be a Lifetime movie every day.

Besides, have you any idea how many gay male nurses there are??
 
2012-10-24 03:21:01 AM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


The fark is your problem?
 
2012-10-24 03:33:14 AM
Why does Romney and his supporters assume that he will be able to do everything that he says he wants to do. The president just doesn't have that much authority. If the president did, just think what the current president could/would have done. On day one....On day one...

My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.

My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.
 
2012-10-24 03:36:05 AM

coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.


Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.
 
2012-10-24 03:46:50 AM

riverwalk barfly: My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.


BS. Same federal tax rules? If you put your wife on your health insurance, do the feds tax you on what your employer contributes to her health insurance? If I put my partner on my health insurance plan, no amount of lawyering will get me the same tax benefit as a straight married couple. Federal inheritance taxes? If they're both Americans, not a problem on living in the same country. However, if one partner is not an American, the American citizen does not have a federal immigration option to apply for permanent residency for a same-sex partner that a straight American would for his/her partner. No amount of lawyering up can grant that (trust me, that is my life and reality every day). Want a taste of what bi-national same-sex couples face, visit Immigration Equality (pops).

If you would have read the article, you would note that federal hospital visitation rights are through an Obama executive order, not legislation. So yes, the President has total, 100% control of whether this continues or dies. Presidents do have the power to overturn executive orders with the stroke of a pen, so this is one Romney could very easily actually do on Day One.

And part of equality for all Americans is not having to get a lawyer and pay thousands of dollars to obtain (still unequal) benefits and rights that automatically come to others with a marriage license and a ceremony.
 
2012-10-24 03:53:12 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.

Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.


Mags, you're not posting pictures and you're incoherent. Time to recork that vodak bottle and hit the hay.
 
2012-10-24 04:00:38 AM

riverwalk barfly: Why does Romney and his supporters assume that he will be able to do everything that he says he wants to do. The president just doesn't have that much authority. If the president did, just think what the current president could/would have done. On day one....On day one...

My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.

My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.


$75 seems cheap, but wait until you get the bill for the exit fees.
 
2012-10-24 04:02:29 AM
Worst. Christians. EVAH.
 
2012-10-24 04:03:32 AM

WorldCitizen: riverwalk barfly: My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.

BS. Same federal tax rules? If you put your wife on your health insurance, do the feds tax you on what your employer contributes to her health insurance? If I put my partner on my health insurance plan, no amount of lawyering will get me the same tax benefit as a straight married couple. Federal inheritance taxes? If they're both Americans, not a problem on living in the same country. However, if one partner is not an American, the American citizen does not have a federal immigration option to apply for permanent residency for a same-sex partner that a straight American would for his/her partner. No amount of lawyering up can grant that (trust me, that is my life and reality every day). Want a taste of what bi-national same-sex couples face, visit Immigration Equality (pops).

If you would have read the article, you would note that federal hospital visitation rights are through an Obama executive order, not legislation. So yes, the President has total, 100% control of whether this continues or dies. Presidents do have the power to overturn executive orders with the stroke of a pen, so this is one Romney could very easily actually do on Day One.

And part of equality for all Americans is not having to get a lawyer and pay thousands of dollars to obtain (still unequal) benefits and rights that automatically come to others with a marriage license and a ceremony.


Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.
 
2012-10-24 04:09:21 AM

riverwalk barfly: Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.


Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."
 
2012-10-24 04:10:47 AM

Harry_Seldon: riverwalk barfly: Why does Romney and his supporters assume that he will be able to do everything that he says he wants to do. The president just doesn't have that much authority. If the president did, just think what the current president could/would have done. On day one....On day one...

My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.

My best friend from high school is gay. he and his partner have the same rights that my wife and I have. Yet they aren't married. The difference - my wife and I spent $75 on a marriage license. My friend and his partner spent $3500 on attorney fees.

$75 seems cheap, but wait until you get the bill for the exit fees.


sadly, that is true and funny, watch what you wish for.... May 11, 1995 - September 5, 2012 RIP marriage.
 
2012-10-24 04:18:30 AM

WorldCitizen: riverwalk barfly: Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.

Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."


My apologies. I think you interpreted my post wrong and that is on me. I guess the sarcasm escaped you. My point was/is that same sex partners have to go through so much more to even get a slight taste of what I got for $75 , I wasn't arguing that same sex couples can get the same rights through an attorney. I wish you and your partner the best. I know it is not easy. I've seen it with my best friend and his partner - peace and love.
 
2012-10-24 04:36:16 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.

Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.

Mags, you're not posting pictures and you're incoherent. Time to recork that vodak bottle and hit the hay.


Oh, I missed this, till it got sent via EM, ya, it is late and well no vodak tonight although I did have Genius and well you're pretty coherent and basically telly me to STFU, So well I'll take you're advice into consideration and well ;)
/Sorry it's about time I spoke up
The Donna's- Who invited you
 
2012-10-24 04:42:39 AM

Agent_Stan_Smith_CIA: Maybe this would happen...

[romneyshoop]


Oh, thanks so much for that.

My nightmare fuel tank was getting a bit low.

Topped it right the fark up, did that.
 
2012-10-24 05:03:51 AM
This guy is so unpredictable that he makes a blind rattlesnake seem more reliable.

If he wins, more than a few people are going to have buyer's remorse. He would definitely be a 1-term.
 
2012-10-24 05:28:38 AM

coeyagi: colon_pow: the author built a beautiful strawman. then kicked it's ass!!

well done.

Your post - t would have been just as effective if you placed 13 ellipses in a row followed by "best part. forever!"


24.media.tumblr.com

She watches, always.
 
2012-10-24 05:32:01 AM

Amos Quito: I wonder who this church is rooting for this election?


The Blood God Zozgoth?
 
2012-10-24 05:36:31 AM
It used to be that we could have disagreements of policy without being disagreeable... but if you vote for the guy who thinks that whether or not I die alone in the hospital ought to be a decision for the state to make, fark you.
 
2012-10-24 05:39:29 AM
MyRandomName: Wow. I know subby is an idiot... bit no he didn't. Obama had the same view on it vexing a state matter until this year. Go screw. Romney would do nothing, he would leave it to the states. Seriously liberals. Stop lying. It makes you look silly. Romney would not put a federal mandate on no visitation rights. You are lying. Constantly.

You don't come across nearly as clever and well-informed as you think you do.
 
2012-10-24 05:44:01 AM

Barricaded Gunman: MyRandomName: Wow. I know subby is an idiot... bit no he didn't. Obama had the same view on it vexing a state matter until this year. Go screw. Romney would do nothing, he would leave it to the states. Seriously liberals. Stop lying. It makes you look silly. Romney would not put a federal mandate on no visitation rights. You are lying. Constantly.

You don't come across nearly as clever and well-informed as you think you do.


Yes... you see, Obama signed the order giving visitation rights in 2010, but it wasn't until this year that he really meant it.

You could respond with facts, but generally speaking, for obvious trolls, you would do better to just not respond at all.
 
2012-10-24 05:47:09 AM

WorldCitizen: Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."


Maybe you wouldn't have had to go looking abroad for a partner if you weren't such an asshole...
 
2012-10-24 05:50:37 AM

proteus_b: WorldCitizen: Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."

Maybe you wouldn't have had to go looking abroad for a partner if you weren't such an asshole...


Calling people assholes because of their relationships doesn't help your rather tenuous relationship with reality.
 
2012-10-24 05:54:58 AM

proteus_b: Maybe you wouldn't have had to go looking abroad for a partner if you weren't such an asshole...



25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-24 06:08:53 AM

Amos Quito: dletter: What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.


So, who should be allowed do decide such things? The Federal government?


Who should decide who's allowed to get married? A) states, or B) the federal government?
I'm gonna have to go with option C here. The ones that decide whether or not two people can get married should be the two people getting married.

Seriously - how hard is it to just not give a fark about your neighbor? I can not give a rat's ass about people I see all day long, why is this so hard for the religious right?
 
2012-10-24 06:15:49 AM
Sounds like another Liberal Douche-o-Crat whiny ass article

Like Romney is going to get the Federal Govt to ban people from visiting you in a hospital room?

Most Church-affiliated hospitals could care less who is visiting you...as long as you are not harming any patients or running off with the drugs.

More likely...you will have Obama denying white folks ObamaCare....everything is "race" with that dude
 
2012-10-24 06:24:54 AM

firefly212: Calling people assholes because of their relationships doesn't help your rather tenuous relationship with reality.


He's just jealous because he can only get laid with the help of a roll of duct tape and a bottle of Roofies.
 
2012-10-24 06:27:22 AM

proteus_b: such an asshole...


Are you hitting on him?
 
2012-10-24 06:32:39 AM

riverwalk barfly: WorldCitizen: riverwalk barfly: Fark off. I'm on your side. Be belligerent to somebody else.

Sorry, I'm sick and up in the middle of the night. I've also just now hit month four since I've seen my partner in person since he's not an American which makes me more than a bit sensitive over these issues. Four months seems to be the number when things start to get more challenging. However, you're not helping by going around claiming that same-sex partners can obtain the same rights as opposite sex married couples by just getting a lawyer and spending some money. It's simply not true, and going around saying that it is is most definitely not helping if you are "on my side."

My apologies. I think you interpreted my post wrong and that is on me. I guess the sarcasm escaped you. My point was/is that same sex partners have to go through so much more to even get a slight taste of what I got for $75 , I wasn't arguing that same sex couples can get the same rights through an attorney. I wish you and your partner the best. I know it is not easy. I've seen it with my best friend and his partner - peace and love.


Yeah, I totally missed the sarcasm. Perhaps I can blame it on the fever rather than my standard limited mental capabilities. Apologies!
 
2012-10-24 06:43:35 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp:

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No more of this shiat, please.
 
2012-10-24 06:47:01 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp:
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She watches, always.


Moar of this, please.
 
2012-10-24 06:51:28 AM

Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.


Fixing, as in 'take the clippers to the nuts'.
 
2012-10-24 06:58:25 AM

quatchi: Worst. Christians. EVAH.


Apart from the ones that burnt to death unpopular people in every community, or the ones that mass executed everyone that wouldn't give up their non-christian beliefs, or the ones that mass executed all the ones that believed something different about Christ/the church, or the ones that started off the various crusades to rid themselves of troublemakers, or all the popes and other senior clergy through most of history that spent their time whoring, feasting and profiteering off the gullible poor people that believed their lies, etc.
 
2012-10-24 07:01:09 AM

Mugato: None of that that comes before whatever Israel tells him to do.


I'd take a closer look at Mormons if I were you
 
2012-10-24 07:02:40 AM
Like I need another reason not to vote for that plutocratic asshole...
 
2012-10-24 07:10:29 AM
Now, this article presents only the facts it wants, but it STILL doesent say what this headline says.

NICE JOB SUBBY!!! you managed to read what you wanted to believe.
 
2012-10-24 07:14:41 AM

xria: quatchi: Worst. Christians. EVAH.

Apart from the ones that burnt to death unpopular people in every community, or the ones that mass executed everyone that wouldn't give up their non-christian beliefs, or the ones that mass executed all the ones that believed something different about Christ/the church, or the ones that started off the various crusades to rid themselves of troublemakers, or all the popes and other senior clergy through most of history that spent their time whoring, feasting and profiteering off the gullible poor people that believed their lies, etc.


Point taken. 

"Worst. Contemporary. Christians." just seemed a little weak without any hyperbolic oomph albeit more precise to be sure.
 
2012-10-24 07:25:35 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?


FTFY
 
2012-10-24 07:27:57 AM

FloydA: Because why not? Compassion and basic human decency are for losers! After all, as the Bible tells us "do unto others whatever you want because fark those people."


Hell, to the right wing, compassion and basic human decency are not only for losers, it is a cardinal sin to be brutally cracked down on. Anyone caught so much as feeding a stray kitten or trying to help a homeless mother in need is to be attacked on sight.
 
2012-10-24 07:30:12 AM

Weaver95: BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.

I don't see how or why you'd believe something like that but...hey! if it helps you sleep at night then have at it.


People like them tend to sleep in the day, in a coffin containing their home soil.
 
2012-10-24 07:31:42 AM

dletter: By combining support for same-sex marriage and civil unions for same-sex couples that provide the same benefits as marriage, a May 2012 poll showed that 62 percent of Americans support equal legal recognition of LGBT relationships.

And that number isn't going to go down as we go forward... you are on the wrong side of history GOP.

What I'd really love to see if Romney decided to have some sort of Q&A with 4th and 5th graders, and explain to a 10 year old who asks why he thinks his two parents who happen to be both women shouldn't be able to visit each other in the hospital like other kids parents can, or why a state should decide that.

Of course, that is the reason why the candidates don't have public ops with kids.


What the hell does that have to do with anything? The way the constitution is set up is that unless the government is GRANTED rights to decide something, its the states job to do so. Ask that same ten year old how if the federal government isnt granted the right to determine that, why the state SHOULDNT determine it. I bet that ten year old would understand a little better than you.
 
2012-10-24 07:32:02 AM

Soymilk: ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch

No cake?


This is Romney we're talking about. The cake is a lie.
 
2012-10-24 07:56:37 AM

I sound fat: What the hell does that have to do with anything? The way the constitution is set up is that unless the government is GRANTED rights to decide something, its the states job to do so. Ask that same ten year old how if the federal government isnt granted the right to determine that, why the state SHOULDNT determine it. I bet that ten year old would understand a little better than you.


There's always the third option - that marriage shouldn't be decided by that federal government or the states, and should just be left up to the people involved.

You know, they way the constutition you're blathering on about said "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

Funny how state-righists and strict constructionists always forget how that amendment ends.
 
2012-10-24 08:10:04 AM

dethmagnetic: One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?


That is one of those things that is done for pure spite.

I believe one of the governers either signed an order to that effect or considered it.
 
2012-10-24 08:26:50 AM
Taking a play out of Scott Walker's playbook. Well, I guess I don't blame him. Walker won the recall election by a greater margin than he won his initial election. Never underestimate the power that bigotry holds over the average voter.
 
2012-10-24 08:27:46 AM
The Obama media derp machine is in full emergency shiatstorm mode. You can smell the desperation like a burning pile of tires.
 
2012-10-24 08:29:11 AM
Not really a federal government issue. Classic overreaching by the fed govt and intrusion into the lives of citizens and communities. When are we going to stand up and say hat this is not a totalitarian regime where the president makes decisions about all the things we can or cannot do as individuals?
 
2012-10-24 08:29:31 AM
I heard that he might ban beer. Get him.
 
2012-10-24 08:57:07 AM

Amos Quito: I've been watching as we rapidly shift toward a centralized authoritarian regime over the past several decades Two Hundred and Twenty Five Years, and THAT is some scary shiat.


If you're going to continue The Great American Debate, bring something new, or at least interesting to the table. I agree with you, but it's boring. Hell, just quote some Jefferson.
 
2012-10-24 08:57:59 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The Obama media derp machine is in full emergency shiatstorm mode. You can smell the desperation like a burning pile of tires.


Yeah, Obama's only up by about 60 electorate votes. He's scared shiatless.
 
2012-10-24 08:59:02 AM
Well, that would certainly create a lot of jobs.
 
2012-10-24 08:59:57 AM
img1.fark.net As he demonstrated conclusively at the debates, Mitt Romney is an asshole
 
2012-10-24 09:01:50 AM
As a hospital employee, I don't see how the president could do this. We let people visit, we don't care, it's more important that the patient be comfortable. And you can give power of attorny(can't spell that word) to whoever you want.
 
Xai
2012-10-24 09:02:42 AM
Wow, when did america become so farked up?
 
2012-10-24 09:03:05 AM

Ghastly: Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.

Log Cabin Republicans are the urban professional gays with enough money that they think they'll be able to just buy their way out of any problems caused by legislation that makes gays second class citizens. Everyone I've talked to has been of the attitude "well I'm not really using my rights anyway and I'd really rather have money than rights when it comes right down to it". A lot of them are either very young gays who have no idea what it was like when cops used to bust into gay bars and crack open skulls just for shiats and giggles, or from rich families and grew up with an attitude that rich people do and should have more rights than the poor because they're a better class of people which is obvious because if they weren't better then they wouldn't be rich.


A lot of my blue state republicans have a similar attitude, my father included. Even if Roe v Wade were overturned, it would go back to state's rights, and it would be legal here. And he is rich enough to provide for his family. health care, college etc. Republicans have an amazing lack of empathy. You see it in the few Republicans that are for gay rights. They invariably have a close relative who is gay like Dick Cheney. They literally can't agree to something unless they have experienced it first hand.

I pulled a hard one on my father as he was ranting about the evils of the Affordable Care Act. I was adopted at birth. I asked him, if he had not adopted me, would it be okay for me to die from a treatable disease? He got very angry. It's tough to face the logical end of your ideological beliefs sometimes.
 
2012-10-24 09:04:39 AM

Xai: Wow, when did america become so farked up?


Somewhere around 1492
 
2012-10-24 09:06:06 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?


You know very well that gay couples are currency manipulators.
 
2012-10-24 09:11:44 AM

Weaver95:
lets hope the country isn't stupid enough to elect Romney. I think Obama's got this one in the bag but...ya just don't know till its over.


I wish you were right, but my instincts tell me you're wrong. The fact that it even appears close tells me this country is stupid enough to elect Romney, and that they're going to.
 
2012-10-24 09:11:57 AM

ArgusRun: They invariably have a close relative who is gay like Dick Cheney.


Pretty sure that Dick Cheney is not gay...
 
2012-10-24 09:12:30 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Is this before or after Trade-War with China?


At the same time obviously. It'll be known as Romney's Great Chinese Gay War.
 
2012-10-24 09:19:47 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: C'mon, people, civil disobedience. First of all, I would count on a critical mass of hospital administrators to ensure that "loved ones" meant just that when it comes to visitation.


The problem is when the families block the significant others from visiting, and it is legally enforceable. The laws are meant to prevent that from happening. It has happened many times before.
 
2012-10-24 09:20:11 AM
"This week Romney apparently believes that it should be up to the states to decide whether or not a spouse or child of gay and lesbian men and women should have the right to visit their loved ones in the hospital"

Once again, submitters can't read the bs they post. Romney want's the states deciding more and the government less. I have no problem with that. If you live in a state that doesn't give you the rights you want, move to another, there's 50 of em.
 
2012-10-24 09:22:34 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The Obama media derp machine is in full emergency shiatstorm mode. You can smell the desperation like a burning pile of tires.


Lol... I love this new talking point from the GOP and their stooges...

idiotflashback.files.wordpress.com

You should probably get used to saying it: "President Obama". Try it in the mirror a few times.
 
2012-10-24 09:29:26 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.


When is his meeting with Sheldon Adelson to grovel at his feet and receive instructions?
 
2012-10-24 09:30:11 AM

riverwalk barfly: My mother who is now 70, has lived with the same man for 25 years. two years ago he had a heart attack and the hospital at first refused her visitation rights. She put an end to that shiat fast. It doesn't take much.


It does when the laws aren't in place, and the family decides they don't approve of your significant other's sexual orientation/lifestyle/whatever. They are legally able to bar you from visitation, and can sue you, have you arrested or ejected from the hospital. It's been happening for a long time, it's a part of the reason that I agree with Gays who talk about how much the whole "Civil Union" thing is just a big pile of bullshiat. Families have also successfully thrown out legitimate wills in the same way, all because Gay people DON'T have the same rights as you and your wife.
 
2012-10-24 09:32:54 AM
This "right" ONLY exists because of presidential executive order.

Romney could completely wipe it away before he left the stage at the inauguration if he desired.

It would take no act of Congress - just a signature and an announcement. Because of DOMA, it would NOT be "an issue left to the states" - there are too many federal issues involved with hospitals, and all it would take is ONE person to invoke "DOMA" to cause a same-sex couple chaos.

When my partner died I was lucky. The hospital let me see him. The next DAY however, was a bit tense because at first, they claimed they were only allowed to release his effects to a "family member" (because of DOMA). Someone in the administration of the hospital finally overrode that and let me have his clothes.

As to the "you can 'just' get a power of attorney and all will be well" claim. False. It definitely HELPS in some cases, but it guarantees nothing - especially in time-critical situations, and even MORE especially if you aren't able to get TO the documents quickly. You might have to go through the hospital's legal department - which might take days. If (God forbid) a homophobic family member is involved (who contests the paperwork), it might take weeks/months and even THEN might not be successful.

These are REAL people with REAL families in REAL relationships. All should be treated with dignity DESPITE what you might believe for yourself.
 
2012-10-24 09:45:37 AM
If you're going to go full derp, you might as well say Romney is going to personally beat all same sex couples to death with their own rubber dildos.
 
2012-10-24 09:46:20 AM

stuhayes2010: As a hospital employee, I don't see how the president could do this. We let people visit, we don't care, it's more important that the patient be comfortable. And you can give power of attorny(can't spell that word) to whoever you want.


It doesn't even have to be gays for hospital rights to get screwed up. Take a look at the Terry Schiavo case. The legally married heterosexual husband had to fight with the rest of the family for years over who controlled her health care decisions. They quite literally ended up making a federal case out of it, including Congress and Bush passing an unconstitutional bill of attainder.

It isn't too hard to imagine the same thing happening under a Romney administration if the patient and significant other are homosexual and don't have a marriage license to point to.
 
2012-10-24 09:48:02 AM

tjfly: Ftfa:"This week Romney apparently believes that it should be up to the states to decide whether or not a spouse or child of gay and lesbian men and women should have the right to visit their loved ones in the hospital."

How does this come close to subby's headline?


Because by reversing the Executive Order Obama put in place, then there is no law allowing the people to get to visit their partners in the hospital. "No law" means eliminating those rights.

Unless you think all 50 states would pass this at the same exact moment Romney trashed it?

Besides, why is an issue to ANYbody that these people have visitation rights? It shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, except assholes gotta be assholes, it seems. It would also make it a royal biatch when people start trying to gauge where they need to go if sick and on vacation. This is a real thing that has been an issue before, and I think civil rights SHOULD be a Federal issue. This "State's Rights" bellyaching is getting old.
 
2012-10-24 09:52:03 AM

Polly Ester: If you're going to go full derp, you might as well say Romney is going to personally beat all same sex couples to death with their own rubber dildos.


Yeah, gay people sure are silly for thinking the GOP want to make them second class citizens.

/Except for the part where they do indeed, want to do that, restricting people's rights purely due to prejudice through legislation up to and including constitutional amendments.
 
2012-10-24 09:57:25 AM

DancingElkCondor: Sounds like another Liberal Douche-o-Crat whiny ass article

Like Romney is going to get the Federal Govt to ban people from visiting you in a hospital room?

Most Church-affiliated hospitals could care less who is visiting you...as long as you are not harming any patients or running off with the drugs.

More likely...you will have Obama denying white folks ObamaCare....everything is "race" with that dude


Try reading the article next time, or if you're too busy, at least have Mom read it for you and sum it up.

Here's what you missed while masturbating:

Hospitals used to be able to ban people who weren't "family" from visiting places like the ICU. If the family of the person in ICU decided that they didn't like that person's lifestyle or same sex partner, or any other variation of this, they could demand that the hospital not let the significant other into ICU, and the hospital would have to enforce this. People die, and the one who actually loves them doesn't get to say goodbye.

In 2010, Obama signed an executive order stipulating that hospitals receiving federal money would have to recognize the LGBT relationships. They didn't have to throw parties and marry them in the hospital, just had to allow visitation rights.

Romney has stated that he thinks this needs to be made a state by state matter, which would mean repealing Obama's executive order.

The first part was common knowledge from the past, the second and third parts were FTFA.

Reading is a lot of fun if you give it a go... It's safe, it doesn't bite, I promise.
 
2012-10-24 09:57:49 AM

hbk72777: "This week Romney apparently believes that it should be up to the states to decide whether or not a spouse or child of gay and lesbian men and women should have the right to visit their loved ones in the hospital"

Once again, submitters can't read the bs they post. Romney want's the states deciding more and the government less. I have no problem with that. If you live in a state that doesn't give you the rights you want, move to another, there's 50 of em.


And all people are able to easily give up their jobs and move to another state, amirite?

Oh wait, no they aren't. Which is one if the reasons the farking full faith and credit clause exists.
 
2012-10-24 09:59:51 AM

Mikey1969: Besides, why is an issue to ANYbody that these people have visitation rights?


Because christians are god damn assholes. That's why.
 
2012-10-24 10:01:56 AM
I can't see a possible scenario where I can sit by and watch my friends, family and fellow Americans be stripped of such a basic right.

/I'm probably going to be arrested at some point in the next four years
 
2012-10-24 10:02:15 AM

Johnny Swank: Mikey1969: Besides, why is an issue to ANYbody that these people have visitation rights?

Because christians are god damn assholes. That's why.


God specifically gave them permission to punish sinners in His name.
 
2012-10-24 10:02:52 AM

WorldCitizen: BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.

Yeah, the thought of one's partner dying alone in a hospital bed tends to bring that out in someone who could face that situation. But, I suppose that's what Jesus would want, so that's what the US federal government should endorse.


God Commands it! Allah Ak...um, Praise Jesus!
 
2012-10-24 10:06:38 AM
Polly Ester: If you're going to go full derp, you might as well say Romney is going to personally beat all same sex couples to death with their own rubber dildos.

Tell you what... it's still early in the day. Why don't you try really, really hard to say something either interesting, germane or clever?
 
2012-10-24 10:08:18 AM
I find it ironic that a rule enacted by well-meaning liberals (HIPAA) created unintended consequences that are now somehow going to be resolved by another rule enacted by well-meaning liberals.

This is a problem that goes well beyond gay/straight and anyone who paints it differently is merely trying to score political points. Unmarried straight people (and even some married ones) find themselves in the exact same situation. If you don't want your blood relatives involved in your healthcare decisions when you are incapacitated, sign a piece of paper giving that responsibility to someone else.
 
2012-10-24 10:10:40 AM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


I just want to point out that if all you can get out of the possibility of Romney stripping so many Americans of such a basic, compassionate right is "VICTORY!!! SUCK IT LIBS!!!" you are one truly pathetic excuse of a human being.
 
2012-10-24 10:11:40 AM
Professor Farnsworth: Is it true that stem cells may fight the aging process Romney may stop hospital visitation rights for same sex couples?

GeneWorks Receptionist: Well yes. In the same way an infant may fight Muhammad Ali. But--

Farnsworth: One pound of stem cells vote [for / against - choose one] Romeny, please.
 
2012-10-24 10:18:30 AM

Polly Ester: If you're going to go full derp, you might as well say Romney is going to personally beat all same sex couples to death with their own rubber dildos.


well said.
and thanks for that mental image.
 
2012-10-24 10:19:51 AM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.

lets hope the country isn't stupid enough to elect Romney. I think Obama's got this one in the bag but...ya just don't know till its over.

I don't even know, anymore. But I got a clue as to why last night when one of you fine gentlemen pointed out that CNN International posted Obama won the debate handily and CNN domestic said it was a tie (even though the details showed a 48-40 victory to Obama).

In the bag? I'm skeptical. I cannot fathom how Obama went from 90+% chance to win reelection to 60% in less than a week. Especially when Romney hasn't said anything of note or of truth in any of the debates. What do people out there who don't have a lot of time to get educated on the matter think? I read interviews of many voters and think 'no way'.


My understanding is that the polling changed from registered to likely voters for a lot of agencies right around the time of the first debate, and that change of methodology made it look like Obama's numbers cratered overnight. 538's model had that built in somewhat, which is why the Nov 6th projection was always was a lot more conservative than the Now Cast. Yes, there was some decline with Obama stumbling at the first debate, but a huge amount of the dip was simply from those methodology changes, at least as far as I understand it.
 
2012-10-24 10:20:20 AM

Mikey1969: Civil Unions are bullshiat, I agree, but maybe you didn't read all of TFA?


I did, and that's one of the ten thousand reasons why I voted for Obama, but I'm not entirely sure what your point is?... If you're referring to "Don't currently have that right," yeah, that might've been a little rage-hyperbolic. Replace it with "Didn't have that right until very recently." I was just letting off steam, heh. :P
 
2012-10-24 10:24:52 AM

Weaver95: more controversy == higher ratings == more money. so of course they're gonna lie and say everything is a tie. to them, it's just good marketing. that's all it is - just business. that's all.


This is the reason I refused to watch any of the debates.
 
2012-10-24 10:29:57 AM
hbk72777: Once again, submitters can't read the bs they post. Romney want's the states deciding more and the government less. I have no problem with that. .

Ignoring your sad grammar and punctuation ("want's"? Seriously?!) it's hilarious that you apparently think the phrase "the states deciding more and the government less" makes any kind of f#cking sense. State governments are still governments, genius, and removing federal protection for an important right like this just sets it up to be attacked on a state-by-state basis by by busybody religious groups with too much money and not enough sense, they way the Mormon church meddled in California's Prop 8. 

If you really believe that President Romney (shudder) would care about your states' rights blather beyond using it to further his church's agenda, you're either a non-caring partisan hack or as ignorant as your typing suggests.
 
2012-10-24 10:31:57 AM
Can anyone please explain what the societal benefit would be for preventing same-sex partners from seeing and comforting their dying loved one in the hospital? Please?
 
2012-10-24 10:32:10 AM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Huh. And the Log Cabin Republicans just endorsed him, saying he'll be too busy fixing the economy to legislate against their agenda.

lets hope the country isn't stupid enough to elect Romney. I think Obama's got this one in the bag but...ya just don't know till its over.


If President Romney is a reality on Nov. 7, I think I'll just screamed.

/we survived Bush
//barely.
 
2012-10-24 10:40:05 AM
Cataholic: I find it ironic that a rule enacted by well-meaning liberals (HIPAA) created unintended consequences that are now somehow going to be resolved by another rule enacted by well-meaning liberals.

How do you feel about the fact that the "unintended consequences" you refer to are wholly the result of virulent homophobic christians?


Cataholic: Unmarried straight people (and even some married ones) find themselves in the exact same situation. If you don't want your blood relatives involved in your healthcare decisions when you are incapacitated, sign a piece of paper giving that responsibility to someone else.

As has been mentioned numerous times in here already, your proposed workaround of "sign a piece of paper giving that responsibility to someone else" doesn't f#cking work. But I'm sure we can rely on you to suggest it again the next time this comes up. You guys are always good for that.
 
2012-10-24 10:47:31 AM

THX 1138: Can anyone please explain what the societal benefit would be for preventing same-sex partners from seeing and comforting their dying loved one in the hospital? Please?


1) wholesome marriage like the Bachman's would be undermined
2) men would fark turtles
3) slightly less available parking at hospitals
 
2012-10-24 10:51:49 AM
Well the big guns are firing randomly in the air hoping to hit something.

Your family is who you designate when you check in. They ask you at least a dozen times initially if you have family or friends there.

Truthfully, with the reductions in reimbursements under obamacare, I see hospitals going back to wards and there fore no overnight visitors anymore due to privacy issues with other patients.
 
2012-10-24 11:02:29 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Mikey1969: Civil Unions are bullshiat, I agree, but maybe you didn't read all of TFA?

I did, and that's one of the ten thousand reasons why I voted for Obama, but I'm not entirely sure what your point is?... If you're referring to "Don't currently have that right," yeah, that might've been a little rage-hyperbolic. Replace it with "Didn't have that right until very recently." I was just letting off steam, heh. :P


Well, I was pointing out that the article answered a lot of this, by stating that they didn't have the right until recently, and Romney would support taking it back away from them with the logic that the "States" would rectify the situation.

As for the Civil Unions thing, I was heading off a potential counter-argument that many try and attack this issue from by assuming(Or lying about the concept) that a Civil Union law means that all of 'The Folk' in a Civil Union have this great bundle of rights.

It's just an issue that's kind of a sore spot with me, as I've known many Gay people over the years(My brother in law is actually gay and lives with us at the moment, so it's a daily concern for me), and out of all of the rights that people want to deny or allow Gays, this seems like it should just be something that would go without saying, I mean Jesus, why the Hell would someone want to deny this? I also have problems with people posting blatantly false shiat, especially when it runs counter to the content of the actual article.

If I misconstrued your post, I apologize. Insomnia hit last night, and despite taking pain meds, muscle relaxers and sleeping meds, I haven't been able to sleep all night, and it's now 9 a.m., I may be a bit punchy at this point. IN retrospect, it's probably not the best time to be filling out job applications either... :-)
 
2012-10-24 11:08:07 AM

hbk72777: Once again, submitters can't read the bs they post. Romney want's the states deciding more and the government less. I have no problem with that. If you live in a state that doesn't give you the rights you want, move to another, there's 50 of em.


1. The states are run by "government" also.

2. People currently have this right. Romney wants to take it away from them. They didn't have it before Obama signed his Executive Order. People died in hospitals and were not able to be visited by the person they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with.

3. Have you moved interstate before? I'm sure it's something you can continually do if you're Romney, but as a typical American family, it's damned expensive.

4. What do you do when you are travelling and manage to wind up seriously injured in one of those nice "Christian" states like Kansas? Limp on down the road, hoping you don't die until you reach Massachusetts, or something?

5. Why is this such a hot topic anyway? For the love of God, there is nothing logical about denying people the chance to visit a loved one before they die, whether they are gay, straight, communist, republican, Mexican, Canadian or a Farker.
 
2012-10-24 11:19:33 AM

Buffalo77: Well the big guns are firing randomly in the air hoping to hit something.

Your family is who you designate when you check in. They ask you at least a dozen times initially if you have family or friends there.

Truthfully, with the reductions in reimbursements under obamacare, I see hospitals going back to wards and there fore no overnight visitors anymore due to privacy issues with other patients.


Are you saying that gay couples worrying about this issue are misinformed?
 
2012-10-24 11:20:17 AM

whidbey: Soymilk: ArkAngel: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mitt's gonna have a busy first day...

8:00-Noon: Inauguration
Noon-12:15: Restrict civil rights for gay couples.
12:15 -12:30: Tax Cuts
12:30-1:15: Lunch
1:15-1:30 : Trade war with China
1:30-1:35: Repeal Obamacare
1:35-2:45: Approve Keystone Pipeline
2:45-3:00: Open all Federal lands for oil drilling.
3:00-4:30: Create 12 million new jobs
4:30-5:00: Tax Cuts
5:00-5:15: Call Ahmadinejad, ask if he has Prince Albert in the can.
5:15-5:30: "Reinstate" Work for Welfare requirements.
5:30-6:00: Meet with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress
6:00-6:30: Bust Federal Unions
6:30-7:00: Issue executive orders reversing all of Obama's executive orders
7:00-8:00: Light Supper
8:00-8:30: Reinstate the Mexico City Policy
8:30-9:00: Secure borders and ask all illegals to self-deport.

9:00-10:00: Death
10:00-1100: Death
11:00-12:00: Death
12:00-1:00: Lunch

No cake?

No cake, no raktajino, no method.


Lunch at midnight?
 
2012-10-24 11:21:15 AM

Mikey1969: If I misconstrued your post, I apologize. Insomnia hit last night, and despite taking pain meds, muscle relaxers and sleeping meds, I haven't been able to sleep all night, and it's now 9 a.m., I may be a bit punchy at this point. IN retrospect, it's probably not the best time to be filling out job applications either... :-)


I totally agree with everything you said there (and everything you've said in your other posts) - my usual biatchiness and old personal anecdotes aside, my only point was that I'm sick of right-wingers treating gay people like we're sub-humans - so it looks like a misunderstanding, yeah. No worries, it happens. :)

/Still not all that sure where the misunderstanding came from, but oh well.
//I think that we both get too worked up about this subject.
 
2012-10-24 11:33:44 AM

stuhayes2010: As a hospital employee, I don't see how the president could do this. We let people visit, we don't care, it's more important that the patient be comfortable. And you can give power of attorny(can't spell that word) to whoever you want.


Legally, before Obama signed the Executive Order, families had successfully barred 'Significant Others' from visitation at hospitals because they weren't actually "family". The whole Civil Unions fiasco did not do anything to change this. If the families wanted to press it, the person in question could be arrested or sued if they tried to get into the hospital after being to what the situation was. It had happened many times before, and Powers of Attorney, even Wills had been successfully overturned in court by spiteful, asshole families.

Unfortunately, what's right and what THE Right want to do are often mutually exclusive lately.
 
2012-10-24 11:49:05 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: //I think that we both get too worked up about this subject.


This one REALLY pisses me off because even the Bible can't be manipulated to say that Gay people shouldn't get to visit other gay people when one is dying. I just don't see how anybody accepts this. Even the most bitter parents shouldn't be able to live with themselves if they deny their family something like this.
 
2012-10-24 12:02:34 PM

cretinbob: BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.

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...This isn't a f**cking troll. There are actual, real, live people who would suffer if this happened. You want to do the 'U Mad', a civil rights issue is not the place for that.
 
2012-10-24 01:10:33 PM

WorldCitizen: grimlock1972: Not like he has the gay vote right now anyway.

Outside of Log Cabin Republicans, no. But I'm hoping people like my family and friends from a Midwestern small town who have a history of voting Republican who are now congratulating me on my same-sex engagement and welcoming my partner into the family start to think about that vote in November.


He may npt even have all of them just because the endorsed him doesn't mean they all have to vote for him.
 
2012-10-24 03:20:33 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: coeyagi: And the Log Cabin Republicans support this douche.

It must be tough coming home each day and wondering if you want to watch LOGO or kill yourself.

Way late, but really LOGO, every time aI check to see hat there playing it's 16 an pregnant? WTF? Or Nip Tuck, which has nothing to do with Rupaul's Drag Race. The only thing worth watching are movies they show over and over again after midnight, Rupaul not included.

Mags, you're not posting pictures and you're incoherent. Time to recork that vodak bottle and hit the hay.

Oh, I missed this, till it got sent via EM, ya, it is late and well no vodak tonight although I did have Genius and well you're pretty coherent and basically telly me to STFU, So well I'll take you're advice into consideration and well ;)
/Sorry it's about time I spoke up
The Donna's- Who invited you


Mags, I know you're a strong advocate of human rights and common decency. Your posts on that count tend to be insightful and thought-provoking. You also have a habit of posting high quality eyebleach. Neither applied here. My intended message was not STFU.
It was a WTF.

/(I don't post pictures of kitten paws on hands on keyboards.)
//Was going to link to a French punk band, but we'll have to settle for this.
 
2012-10-24 03:23:06 PM
Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map and people are arguing about this bullshiat.
 
2012-10-24 03:49:02 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Mags, I know you're a strong advocate of human rights and common decency. Your posts on that count tend to be insightful and thought-provoking. You also have a habit of posting high quality eyebleach. Neither applied here. My intended message was not STFU.
It was a WTF.

/(I don't post pictures of kitten paws on hands on keyboards.)
//Was going to link to a French punk band, but we'll have to settle for this.



Well I do admit that the Genius was especially tasty and well I'm paying for it now : )
/Interesting music
 
2012-10-24 03:52:35 PM

Mugato: Romney can't locate the country he plans to invade on a map and people are arguing about this bullshiat.


That keeps foreign governments on their toes. "Oh, shiat, what if he invades us by mistake?"
 
2012-10-24 04:00:37 PM

Agent_Stan_Smith_CIA: Maybe this would happen...
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best.photo edit of mittens.EVAR.
 
2012-10-24 04:17:20 PM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: dethmagnetic: One of Mitt Romney's possible first actions if he were elected president would be to eliminate hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples

...why? How does that help anyone, anywhere?

Because Religion.


Getting sick of the misinformation that is commonly accepted as gospel in these threads.

Romney is a sack. No question. His inability to maintain a single position past the time it takes for him to look at the next poll is frightening.

There's plenty of reasons to vote against him without resorting to misinformation.

The linked article takes a statement regarding Romney's position that visitation rights should be left to the states and jumps to the conclusion that he's going to reverse Obama's Executive Order as one of his first acts in office. The distance between those two situations is so vast the only excuse for this article is to scare proponents of gay marriage into voting against Romney (something they're going to do anyway).

Then we come to the comments and people immediately begin invoking religion as the reason for his position. His position on State's Rights.

That's correct. State's Rights. One of the VERY FEW issues on which Romney has showed any consistency.

I know you're not specifically calling out Romney with your "Religion" comment, but given the context of the comments it could be interpreted that way. The sentiment is certainly representative of the general feelings being expressed here.

We complain all day about the sheep that listen to Fox News and eat up all the lies and distortions like Pablum. But here we are getting out the pitchforks and torches over a completely unfounded accusation.

Romney's been incredibly (uncharacteristically?) firm in a couple of related areas. The first is Gay Marriage. While he's flip-flopped on at least one occasion with his stance on Civil Unions, he has remained stridently against legalization of Gay Marriage. The other area where he has stayed firm is supporting the rights of Homosexuals to the same privileges enjoyed by those in Heterosexual Marriages.

Keep in mind that this article strictly deals with visitation rights. How does religion fit in? In 2008 the Mormon church issued a statement strongly condemning Gay Marriage but endorsing "rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights and probate rights" (emphasis mine). They followed this up the next year by sending an official spokesperson to a Salt Lake City counsel meeting to express explicit support for a bill prohibiting discrimination against Gay men and Lesbians in housing and employment referring to these rights as "common-sense rights that should be available to everyone". The ordinance passed with a unanimous vote.

Is it possible that once elected Romney will feel the need go against his own Church and his own consistent stance on this issue in order to satisfy the far right base? Sure. Is that possibility supported by ANY evidence? Not even close.

I'd be far more inclined to believe that Romney's first actions as President would be to deregulate Wall Street, or disband the EPA.

Anyone giving this article ANY credence ought to invest in a tin foil hat, or maybe just start listening to Fox News.
 
2012-10-24 04:27:18 PM

Mugato: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The Obama media derp machine is in full emergency shiatstorm mode. You can smell the desperation like a burning pile of tires.

Yeah, Obama's only up by about 60 electorate votes. He's scared shiatless.


While I admire the sentiment, there's simply no reliable evidence that Obama has a comfortable lead. There has never been more sophisticated or powerful polling technology or methodologies than we have right now and they still can't agree on even simple numbers. The effect of bias on both sides' results is palpable.

Given that, it's possibly more dangerous to announce he's 60 electoral votes ahead than to say he's behind and desperate.

If enough people get it in their heads that he's got a comfortable lead, they'll get complacent and then he really could lose the election.
 
2012-10-24 04:35:05 PM

push3r: Then we come to the comments and people immediately begin invoking religion as the reason for his position. His position on State's Rights.

That's correct. State's Rights. One of the VERY FEW issues on which Romney has showed any consistency.


"State's rights" is a bullshiat cop out, always has been.
 
2012-10-24 05:42:54 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: Mags, I know you're a strong advocate of human rights and common decency. Your posts on that count tend to be insightful and thought-provoking. You also have a habit of posting high quality eyebleach. Neither applied here. My intended message was not STFU.
It was a WTF.

/(I don't post pictures of kitten paws on hands on keyboards.)
//Was going to link to a French punk band, but we'll have to settle for this.


Well I do admit that the Genius was especially tasty and well I'm paying for it now : )
/Interesting music


There's really good vodak that does not give hangover, unlike that sweet mother's milk fresh from the tap.

/FARK: Properly pronounced, it sounds like "WHORE-tits-uh."
 
2012-10-24 05:53:48 PM

firefly212: It used to be that we could have disagreements of policy without being disagreeable... but if you vote for the guy who thinks that whether or not I die alone in the hospital ought to be a decision for the state to make, fark you.


Not anytime in the last 10 or 12 years for sure.
 
2012-10-25 12:00:39 AM

BravadoGT: Mmm.....like the smell of liberal desperation in the air! It smells like....victory.


Smells like a troll's asshole to me.
 
2012-10-25 04:12:49 AM

Mikey1969: Huck And Molly Ziegler: C'mon, people, civil disobedience. First of all, I would count on a critical mass of hospital administrators to ensure that "loved ones" meant just that when it comes to visitation.

The problem is when the families block the significant others from visiting, and it is legally enforceable. The laws are meant to prevent that from happening. It has happened many times before.


Oh. I didn't think of that. Yeah, that part sucks.
 
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