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(ABC)   The US Navy is just "two years away" from laser weapons like "they had in Star Trek," claims top admiral. No word where the bayonets will be mounted   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 128
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2012-10-24 01:32:54 AM  

Mikey1969: shotglasss: No word where the bayonets will be mounted

Less than 24 hours and this one's already tired to death. I guess Obammster finally got that zinger in he so desperately wanted. Too bad Ambassador Stevens wasn't around to enjoy it.

Wow, it really hurt your feelings to see Romney talked to like the adolescent he is, didn't it? I've never seen Obama's 'Parent Face' before, you know the one where you are explaining to your teenager that he can't spend the night at his girlfriend's house even though her mother thinks it's OK? Yeah, he had the 'I can't believe that I had to explain THIS to an adult.' look.


More to the point, that little display may have cost him the election (I know, I know, I'm trollin')
 
2012-10-24 01:35:39 AM  

Mikey1969: justtray: My stats teacher in college had worked on laser weapons for some defense contractor. He said they were mostly used to take down missiles and such. I asked specifically about weaponized lasers. That was almost 10 years ago.

That's all I've heard about, too. Ones for frying the guidance system on a missile, but not offensive ones. I'm really curious how you responsibly account for a light weapon that pretty much goes on forever... At least a bullet falls to earth, and a missile runs out of fuel if it misses. Admiral Jackapenny fires his ship based laser and misses, and we might set of an interstellar war... :-0

Seriously though, I wonder if this fits into the equation anymore at all? It WAS something they talked about back in the day, and I have seen demonstrations lof lasers that can be set up to only cut into a target block to a specific depth, but I'd be interested to see if they can tweak that when just shooting at a moving target, as opposed to those big blocks of plastic they were using on the show I saw.


You DO know, don't you, that laser light spreads over distance? By the time it got even to the nearest star (4 something LY) is would just be a red light. Unless it was absorbed by intersteller dust along the way...
 
2012-10-24 01:38:32 AM  

Mikey1969: No word where the bayonets will be mounted

They should combine them with the horses... They would be a kind of bad-ass unicorn. We could storm the beaches of Normandy with Bayoneticorns.


Didn't they use horses in the invasion of Afghanistan?
 
2012-10-24 01:51:06 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mikey1969: justtray: My stats teacher in college had worked on laser weapons for some defense contractor. He said they were mostly used to take down missiles and such. I asked specifically about weaponized lasers. That was almost 10 years ago.

That's all I've heard about, too. Ones for frying the guidance system on a missile, but not offensive ones. I'm really curious how you responsibly account for a light weapon that pretty much goes on forever... At least a bullet falls to earth, and a missile runs out of fuel if it misses. Admiral Jackapenny fires his ship based laser and misses, and we might set of an interstellar war... :-0

Seriously though, I wonder if this fits into the equation anymore at all? It WAS something they talked about back in the day, and I have seen demonstrations lof lasers that can be set up to only cut into a target block to a specific depth, but I'd be interested to see if they can tweak that when just shooting at a moving target, as opposed to those big blocks of plastic they were using on the show I saw.

You DO know, don't you, that laser light spreads over distance? By the time it got even to the nearest star (4 something LY) is would just be a red light. Unless it was absorbed by intersteller dust along the way...


Well, the whole 'interstellar war' thing was a joke, but if that's your takeaway from my post, I don't know what else to say.
 
2012-10-24 01:56:25 AM  

Triumph: Yeah - when my crop suddenly has an elaborate design etched into it overnight, my first suspect is art students with boards, because they're extremely motivated, quiet as mice, highly secretive and well-organized all over the world.


Umm, depends on the crop. I know one where those kids would be very quiet at stealing.. err, putting an eleborate design in ..
 
2012-10-24 01:58:30 AM  

shotglasss: No word where the bayonets will be mounted

Less than 24 hours and this one's already tired to death. I guess Obammster finally got that zinger in he so desperately wanted. Too bad Ambassador Stevens wasn't around to enjoy it.


The best way to prevent the butthurt you are suffering is to generously lube up the bayonet before inserting it
 
2012-10-24 01:58:35 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Didn't they use horses in the invasion of Afghanistan?


The Marines are using mules to carry stuff Its an la times blog entry from 2009
 
2012-10-24 02:16:52 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: More to the point, that little display may have cost won him the election (I know, I know, I'm trollin')


My turn to troll :D
 
2012-10-24 02:18:35 AM  

Mikey1969: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mikey1969: justtray: My stats teacher in college had worked on laser weapons for some defense contractor. He said they were mostly used to take down missiles and such. I asked specifically about weaponized lasers. That was almost 10 years ago.

That's all I've heard about, too. Ones for frying the guidance system on a missile, but not offensive ones. I'm really curious how you responsibly account for a light weapon that pretty much goes on forever... At least a bullet falls to earth, and a missile runs out of fuel if it misses. Admiral Jackapenny fires his ship based laser and misses, and we might set of an interstellar war... :-0

Seriously though, I wonder if this fits into the equation anymore at all? It WAS something they talked about back in the day, and I have seen demonstrations lof lasers that can be set up to only cut into a target block to a specific depth, but I'd be interested to see if they can tweak that when just shooting at a moving target, as opposed to those big blocks of plastic they were using on the show I saw.

You DO know, don't you, that laser light spreads over distance? By the time it got even to the nearest star (4 something LY) is would just be a red light. Unless it was absorbed by intersteller dust along the way...

Well, the whole 'interstellar war' thing was a joke, but if that's your takeaway from my post, I don't know what else to say.


Relevant to your conversation

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1540125/quotes?qt=qt1142747
 
2012-10-24 02:57:58 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-24 02:58:50 AM  
www.theterrordrome.com
 
2012-10-24 03:02:09 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mikey1969: shotglasss: No word where the bayonets will be mounted

Less than 24 hours and this one's already tired to death. I guess Obammster finally got that zinger in he so desperately wanted. Too bad Ambassador Stevens wasn't around to enjoy it.

Wow, it really hurt your feelings to see Romney talked to like the adolescent he is, didn't it? I've never seen Obama's 'Parent Face' before, you know the one where you are explaining to your teenager that he can't spend the night at his girlfriend's house even though her mother thinks it's OK? Yeah, he had the 'I can't believe that I had to explain THIS to an adult.' look.

More to the point, that little display may have cost him the election (I know, I know, I'm trollin')


The 1980s called, it wants its trolls back.
 
2012-10-24 03:02:15 AM  

Summercat: BolloxReader: I was hoping it was photon torpedoes. At least they have on-board guidance making them useful beyond the horizon.

We call those "Cruise Missiles" and "Armed Drones" :v


But...but... big badda boom. Like a mountain worth. With swirly effects. And anti-matter. And warp capabilities.

Damned admirals. You'd think they'd know their Enterprise weapon systems better than this. "Hey we have a laser. Just like Star Trek. Or Star Wars. Or something. Anyway, it's a beam of light that can knock a missile off course." Drones are the anti-missile weapon system. Idiots. All the photon stuff is offensive weapons.
 
2012-10-24 03:14:13 AM  

Summercat: I dont' see this as a main armament for ships, and my reading supports the suggestion that it's actually meant for "Point Defense" operations, against small close-range targets such as small boats, anti-ship missiles, and potentially fighter-craft.


Yes looks like it's a replacement for Phalanx
 
2012-10-24 03:41:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Yeah... Just as soon as they field the rail gun, right?

I know they are doing some cool stuff, but 2 years? That doesn't seem very realistic. The sea trials and stuff would take that long and that's after they finally build it.


It`s almost as though what we read in the news is some form of altered reality so that the people the weapon is to be used on don`t get advanced warning of every little military advancement that is made.

Most stuff is out of service by the time it is reported in the papers...

cretinbob: Summercat: I dont' see this as a main armament for ships, and my reading supports the suggestion that it's actually meant for "Point Defense" operations, against small close-range targets such as small boats, anti-ship missiles, and potentially fighter-craft.

Yes looks like it's a replacement for Phalanx


I read this as "Yes looks like it's a replacement for Phallus"
 
2012-10-24 03:48:31 AM  
Naturally, but of course. I assume they will be 3D printed and very useful against the 3rd world goat herders that will fire back with 10$ copies of 60 year old Russian guns.
 
2012-10-24 04:02:40 AM  
Even better, the Chinse Navy sailors all wear red shirts. They're gonna go down easy.

/But seriously, can we have our Star Trek flip phones and video conferencing first?
 
2012-10-24 04:05:10 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Didn't they use horses in the invasion of Afghanistan?


Yes. But today we have far fewer than we did in WWI. The same with bayonets.
 
2012-10-24 04:50:43 AM  

cretinbob: Summercat: I dont' see this as a main armament for ships, and my reading supports the suggestion that it's actually meant for "Point Defense" operations, against small close-range targets such as small boats, anti-ship missiles, and potentially fighter-craft.

Yes looks like it's a replacement for Phalanx


Some of the proposals, like the LaWS, actually use the Radar tacking system and fire control modules from the MK15 to target and fire the lasers too. See here or here.
 
2012-10-24 05:12:43 AM  
The big problem is making the florescent lights dim for effect when the laser goes off without disturbing all the computer equipment.  That, and deciding on the way cool sound that should accompany the effect.
 
2012-10-24 05:34:33 AM  

0Icky0: /But seriously, can we have our Star Trek flip phones


I have been wanting a gold and black flip phone for years. How hard can it be? You'd think some company would try it, even in limited numbers. Ah, just looking it up, it seems Nokia made some. 14 of them. Those bastards.
 
2012-10-24 06:08:09 AM  
Plasma weapons are vastly superior anyway. You always skip laser tech.
 
2012-10-24 06:21:49 AM  

justtray: Plasma weapons are vastly superior anyway. You always skip laser tech.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-24 06:26:59 AM  
Private: "Sir out laser weapons are useless!"

Captain: "What is it private? Some new form of new shield technology?"

Private: "A light drizzle sir."
 
2012-10-24 06:30:58 AM  

justtray: Plasma weapons are vastly superior anyway. You always skip laser tech.


I donno, the lasers never run out and I can keep them on full auto without having to shoot down so many alien ships to keep up the ammo supply... sure they dont have the same punch, but i can keep the fire on.

//xcom
 
2012-10-24 06:35:56 AM  
itsthequestionthatdrivesus.files.wordpress.com

Pew pew!
 
2012-10-24 06:43:42 AM  
i1054.photobucket.com

I know that that all peace time navies tend to go insane after a while but even by the standards of horrifically wasteful US navy these ships are dumb as fark. A 15,000 ton "destroyer" at 3.3 billion per hull (which means they will end costing 5 billion each) with a total class size of maybe 7 but probably 3 or 4 would make It biggest white elephant warship since the Yamoto. Big ships like this have been obsolete since the advent of microprocessor and they ain't getting any less obsolete as long range navel missiles continue to get faster, cheaper and more accurate. I mean for farks stake you can buy a Brahmos missile from the Russians for $800,000 a pop and the speed it is traveling during its attack phase makes it is almost impossible to intercept by anything other than block 3 RAM.

\USS Pegasus come back to us, all is forgiven.

\\ I also appreciate the irony of naming a huge Destroyer-Cruiser after a man who did all his best work with a littoral brown water force.
 
2012-10-24 07:21:46 AM  

Triumph: Yeah - when my crop suddenly has an elaborate design etched into it overnight, my first suspect is art students with boards, because they're extremely motivated, quiet as mice, highly secretive and well-organized all over the world.


Of course, we have actual concrete evidence that at least a portion of crop circles are created by art students with boards. That tells us that art students with boards are a sufficient explanation for the existence of a crop circle. Since they're far more common and easy to spot than, say, military laser satellites or aliens, it's a preferable explanation.
 
2012-10-24 07:24:50 AM  
Fact is the Navy just doesn't like littorals and it needs them now more than ever.
So far as the bayonets and horses quip, it made for fine entertainment. But once you move past that, it only shows that politicians don't understand military needs. Romney wants more boats, but he doesn't know what for. Obama wants fewer boats, and he's being told to buy the most useless kind by his advisers.

Technology has advanced but some things just haven't changed much in the last half century. You still need horses to reach difficult areas, and you still need knives as a last resort. You will always need a few guys on the water to carry out interdiction and security jobs.
Yes the military is evolving, but its evolving into something that's not very useful against the threats we know of... and in a rush to prove the emperor isn't naked, people are pretending the return of the battleship is a wise move.

I'm not against military spending or buying new tech, but cover the battlefield needs first.
Right now the soldiers could use pay raises and more appropriate equipment.
 
2012-10-24 08:05:44 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mikey1969: justtray: My stats teacher in college had worked on laser weapons for some defense contractor. He said they were mostly used to take down missiles and such. I asked specifically about weaponized lasers. That was almost 10 years ago.

That's all I've heard about, too. Ones for frying the guidance system on a missile, but not offensive ones. I'm really curious how you responsibly account for a light weapon that pretty much goes on forever... At least a bullet falls to earth, and a missile runs out of fuel if it misses. Admiral Jackapenny fires his ship based laser and misses, and we might set of an interstellar war... :-0

Seriously though, I wonder if this fits into the equation anymore at all? It WAS something they talked about back in the day, and I have seen demonstrations lof lasers that can be set up to only cut into a target block to a specific depth, but I'd be interested to see if they can tweak that when just shooting at a moving target, as opposed to those big blocks of plastic they were using on the show I saw.

You DO know, don't you, that laser light spreads over distance? By the time it got even to the nearest star (4 something LY) is would just be a red light. Unless it was absorbed by intersteller dust along the way...



Not to mention cutting through the atmosphere...
 
2012-10-24 08:11:09 AM  
i.imgur.com

Can't we just buy some from XCom? They need the money.
 
2012-10-24 08:12:04 AM  
Rear Admiral 'well good at his jerb' Klunder:"We're well past physics," he said. "We're just going through the integration efforts... Hopefully that tells you we're well mature, and we're ready to put these on naval ships."

Oh, well, then...

Seriously... who the fark talks like that past the age of 15?
 
2012-10-24 08:16:48 AM  
They wont risk using laseguns as long as we keep our shields up. No one wants to go out in a sub fusion explosion.
 
2012-10-24 08:19:21 AM  
Why would you want to mount a laser on a ship? Wouldn't you want to mount land in the US with some mirror mounted on satellites that can be positioned and aimed?

Why would you advertise this capability? You could wipe out an air force or a uranium enrichment facility and no one would know what hit them.
 
2012-10-24 08:20:17 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com 

Lasers?!
 
2012-10-24 08:22:53 AM  
BINDERS FULL OF LASERS
 
2012-10-24 08:23:22 AM  

Honest Bender: They wont risk using laseguns as long as we keep our shields up. No one wants to go out in a sub fusion explosion.


What about suicide bombers? Any one of those nutjobs could cause a kiloton magnitude explosion with a personal shield and a laspistol, or just a civilian cutterray.
 
2012-10-24 08:28:45 AM  

way south: Fact is the Navy just doesn't like clittorals ...


Is that what they're calling women now?

/sorry
 
2012-10-24 08:36:17 AM  

justtray: Plasma weapons are vastly superior anyway. You always skip laser tech.


Nah, you make loads of laser pistols and sell them to fund the base. Or not if you are playing the latest game.
 
2012-10-24 08:45:56 AM  

gas giant: "Top admirals" are usually old farts that will believe any and all bullsh*t weapons contractors are trying to sell them.


I was wondering if the top admiral bunks with the rear admiral.
 
2012-10-24 08:56:01 AM  
Just watch them around the Holtzman shields.
 
2012-10-24 09:02:21 AM  
It will be a lightsaber bayonet.
 
2012-10-24 09:02:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Then again. We probably need more horses and bayonets


God knows we need more naval power
www.globalsecurity.org
 
2012-10-24 09:05:56 AM  

Revek: Are they breech loaders or muzzle loaders?


And what, exactly, does a laser bayonet look like?
 
2012-10-24 09:10:40 AM  

way south: Fact is the Navy just doesn't like littorals and it needs them now more than ever.


www.ccs.neu.edu

"Huh huh huh..... littorals......"

/That word never fails to make the 12 year old in me giggle
 
2012-10-24 09:16:51 AM  

SpectroBoy: Revek: Are they breech loaders or muzzle loaders?

And what, exactly, does a laser bayonet look like?


farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-24 09:27:03 AM  
The Air Force project was a chemical laser and has been scrapped. The Navy has tested solid-state lasers in the 15 kW range and has ganged four of them together. They can use the same targeting and guidance systems that Phalanx uses and only need power, no munitions storage, handling, etc, so deployment can be much more rapid than for most weapons.
 
2012-10-24 09:33:29 AM  
Oh and just for even more perspective. Allies/friendlies highlighted in blue.....


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-24 09:37:54 AM  

crab66: Oh and just for even more perspective. Allies/friendlies highlighted in blue.....


[i.imgur.com image 850x1076]


Yeah, allies TODAY...
We need to prepare for the future wars.
 
2012-10-24 09:40:24 AM  

SVenus: Yeah, allies TODAY...
We need to prepare for the future wars.


Our aircraft carriers will blot out the sun?
 
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