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2012-10-23 05:08:16 PM  

VvonderJesus: This thread started off too well. We'll never make it to 150 posts without "WHAR GRAF" and "WHAR JAKE"

I like the trivia portion, though. I only managed to get Hasselbeck, except Locker was a rookie last year.

Also, worst 5-2 team is exactly correct.


Ha, you're right. My bad on that one.
 
2012-10-23 05:08:16 PM  

Harv72b: Washington Redskins at New York Giants:
How? The fark? Do you? Give up? A 77-yard touchdown pass? While nursing a 3-point lead? With 83 farking seconds left in the game???? Honorable mention goes to Santana Moss for coughing up RG3's chances to lead another "game-winning" drive in the final two minutes, but seriously...there is no way you can surrender the deep ball in that scenario, and even less way you can allow it to go for the score. Every Washington defensive back on the field for that play should dock himself a game's pay and personally apologize to me for spoiling my second consecutive epic upset pick. Or just donate those checks to me, that'll work too. 4-3


The quickness with which they allowed the Giants is they only reason they had a chance to win at the end. With 1:32 on the clock and 3 timeouts left, there was no chance Eli wasn't going to drive down and at least tie the game.
 
2012-10-23 05:08:25 PM  

Di Atribe: In before WHAR GRAF?


The Chargers and the Cowboys seem to be performing an elaborate dance.


Nabb1: The offense MUST make those conversions to have any chance of winning a wild card spot because this defense can not be handed a one-score lead to protect in the closing minutes. The play calling on second and third down on the last Saints' possession drove me insane.


Reminded me uncomfortably of the Chefs game. Offense hung the D out to dry in that game as well. Got far too conservative at the end this week, running essentially for the sake of running while ignoring the fact that TB's defense is much stronger against the run. It doesn't help that Grubbs seems to be comparable to Nicks in pass protection but has nowhere near the run blocking ability.

Also doesn't help that, if he weren't still just a rookie, I'd say that Corey White appears to be a worse CB than Jason David. :\
 
2012-10-23 05:08:52 PM  

This Looks Fun: Di Atribe: Also, graph 2 4 u

Di (or anyone else really),
I know it's been explained before, but can you refresh my memory on the meaning of this graph and how to interpret it? Or, to phrase another way, "according to this graph, is Minnesota beating Green Bay?"


It is a visual way to represent the idea that a team is unbeaten, but they "haven't beaten anyone".

So ATL may have more victories, but GB has beaten "better" opponents.

//Pulling that out of my ass, so if it is wrong, please correct me
 
2012-10-23 05:09:24 PM  

VvonderJesus: Also, worst 5-2 team is exactly correct.


I've actually been noticing all season that Minnesota's been consistently ranked the lowest team with [number of Minnesota's wins] wins. I hope that means we're underrated to a super bowl win.

/It probably just means we're the worst team in whatever group we're put in.
 
2012-10-23 05:09:32 PM  

VvonderJesus: This thread started off too well. We'll never make it to 150 posts without "WHAR GRAF" and "WHAR JAKE"

I like the trivia portion, though. I only managed to get Hasselbeck, except Locker was a rookie last year.

Also, worst 5-2 team is exactly correct.


Maybe cuz the thread only got greenlit around 2 PM PST. Get it at 10 AM PST and you'll get more clicks and comments.
 
2012-10-23 05:09:36 PM  

ddam: And why do KC and CAR share a logo?

Or maybe if you lose to Cowboys you lose your logo.


i think its just because they have the same pct on the graph, so they're technically just on top of each other
 
2012-10-23 05:10:09 PM  
So lemme get this straight:

Last week's
#3 New York Giants eke out a win against traditionally weak as of late #15 Redskins.

Meanwhile
#3 Houston Texans blow out traditionally strong as of late #4 Baltimore Ravens...

And the Giant's move up to #2?
 
2012-10-23 05:11:34 PM  

This Looks Fun: Di Atribe: Also, graph 2 4 u

Di (or anyone else really),
I know it's been explained before, but can you refresh my memory on the meaning of this graph and how to interpret it? Or, to phrase another way, "according to this graph, is Minnesota beating Green Bay?"



Yeah, me too.  Just use an example... what is this supposed to tell me about ATL, GB, and TB (since they're at various extremes.)
 
I think I understand your *calulation*... but I just don't know what it means.
 
2012-10-23 05:11:37 PM  

VvonderJesus: This thread started off too well. We'll never make it to 150 posts without "WHAR GRAF" and "WHAR JAKE"

I like the trivia portion, though. I only managed to get Hasselbeck, except Locker was a rookie last year.

Also, worst 5-2 team is exactly correct.


I agree, but isn't that the stuff that's considered in these rankings?
 
2012-10-23 05:12:25 PM  

tlchwi02: ddam: And why do KC and CAR share a logo?

Or maybe if you lose to Cowboys you lose your logo.

i think its just because they have the same pct on the graph, so they're technically just on top of each other


wait so the logos are touching?

ewwww

/doesnt that technically count as collusion?
 
2012-10-23 05:13:02 PM  

farbekrieg: robbiex0r: Packers are better than Chicago and Baltimore.

the good news is baltimore is a sinking ship and will be lucky to remain in the top half of the poll for much longer, and gb gets another shot at chicago, which should they win leap you over da bears.


meant to quote this, not Vvonder
 
2012-10-23 05:13:05 PM  
robsul82, it was just a Sanchez type of week for the Jake.
 
2012-10-23 05:13:23 PM  

Kuta: So lemme get this straight:

Last week's
#3 New York Giants eke out a win against traditionally weak as of late #15 Redskins.

Meanwhile
#3 Houston Texans blow out traditionally strong as of late #4 Baltimore Ravens...

And the Giant's move up to #2?


To paraphrase from last week's thread, no matter what criteria you use, it is wrong, because it is not the same criteria that was used for these rankings. The only criteria that matters is the one used in the article that is posted to Fark, and to suggest otherwise is the height of stupidity and a failure of logic.
 
2012-10-23 05:13:52 PM  

Kuta: So lemme get this straight:

Last week's
#3 New York Giants eke out a win against traditionally weak as of late #15 Redskins.

Meanwhile
#3 Houston Texans blow out traditionally strong as of late #4 Baltimore Ravens...

And the Giant's move up to #2?


Makes sense
 
2012-10-23 05:14:24 PM  

robbiex0r: VvonderJesus: This thread started off too well. We'll never make it to 150 posts without "WHAR GRAF" and "WHAR JAKE"

I like the trivia portion, though. I only managed to get Hasselbeck, except Locker was a rookie last year.

Also, worst 5-2 team is exactly correct.

I agree, but isn't that the stuff that's considered in these rankings?


To paraphrase from last week's thread, no matter what criteria you use, it is wrong, because it is not the same criteria that was used for these rankings. The only criteria that matters is the one used in the article that is posted to Fark, and to suggest otherwise is the height of stupidity and a failure of logic.
 
2012-10-23 05:15:07 PM  

robbiex0r:
I agree, but isn't that the stuff that's considered in these rankings?


so all the sudden you expect espn to use logic and reason?

really if they could get away with it they would have ranked MOAR TEBOW 3rd if they could have gotten away with it.
 
2012-10-23 05:15:23 PM  
Deja deja deja deja deja deja vu
 
2012-10-23 05:15:31 PM  

Kuta: So lemme get this straight:

Last week's
#3 New York Giants eke out a win against traditionally weak as of late #15 Redskins.

Meanwhile
#3 Houston Texans blow out traditionally strong as of late #4 Baltimore Ravens...

And the Giant's move up to #2?


Speaking on behalf of the Giants and their fans, the Texans can have the farking #2 spot in the Power Rankings released on Oct 23 if it means so damn much to them.
 
2012-10-23 05:15:31 PM  

Kuta: So lemme get this straight:

Last week's
#3 New York Giants eke out a win against traditionally weak as of late #15 Redskins.

Meanwhile
#3 Houston Texans blow out traditionally strong as of late #4 Baltimore Ravens...

And the Giant's move up to #2?


And Sports Center turned into a loop of "CLUTCHY MCCLUTCHERSON" Eli "BEST QB ON THE PLANET" Manning in spite of it being a 2 INT, 1 TD game for him.

That whole game got blown waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion by the media. Just a huge collision of two QBs they've been super-hyping since week 1. So no surprise it jumped the Giants up the chart.
 
2012-10-23 05:15:40 PM  
Yay graf!

Bravo, Robsul82, for the magnificent Jake.

And keep up the trivia, TreyGreen, that was fun.
 
2012-10-23 05:15:40 PM  
Interesting? Doubtful: There are as many AFC teams in the top 10 as NFC North.
 
2012-10-23 05:17:05 PM  

This Looks Fun: Di Atribe: Also, graph 2 4 u

Di (or anyone else really),
I know it's been explained before, but can you refresh my memory on the meaning of this graph and how to interpret it? Or, to phrase another way, "according to this graph, is Minnesota beating Green Bay?"


It answers the question, "But who have they beaten?" Green Bay & New England have the same record, but Green Bay has beaten better teams. So it's plausible to say that GB has had a harder time getting to 4-3 than NE.

As the season goes on, it'll spread out like a Christmas tree. The really good team is the star on top & the worst team is on the lowest, left branch (usually Cleveland).
 
2012-10-23 05:17:55 PM  

Bunny Deville: Yay graf!

Bravo, Robsul82, for the magnificent Jake.

And keep up the trivia, TreyGreen, that was fun.


Thanks. I'll try to keep it going. May not be 15 questions every week but I'll try to keep it going.
 
2012-10-23 05:18:11 PM  

Di Atribe: As the season goes on, it'll spread out like my mom last night.

 
2012-10-23 05:18:26 PM  

Bunny Deville: Yay graf!

Bravo, Robsul82, for the magnificent Jake.

And keep up the trivia, TreyGreen, that was fun.


Yeah, I liked the trivia as well. Didn't do very good on it myself.
 
2012-10-23 05:18:32 PM  

roc6783: Kuta: So lemme get this straight:

Last week's
#3 New York Giants eke out a win against traditionally weak as of late #15 Redskins.

Meanwhile
#3 Houston Texans blow out traditionally strong as of late #4 Baltimore Ravens...

And the Giant's move up to #2?

To paraphrase from last week's thread, no matter what criteria you use, it is wrong, because it is not the same criteria that was used for these rankings. The only criteria that matters is the one used in the article that is posted to Fark, and to suggest otherwise is the height of stupidity and a failure of logic.


The fact that the NFC's a stronger conference than the AFC doesn't hurt either.
 
2012-10-23 05:20:36 PM  

Di Atribe: This Looks Fun: Di Atribe: Also, graph 2 4 u

Di (or anyone else really),
I know it's been explained before, but can you refresh my memory on the meaning of this graph and how to interpret it? Or, to phrase another way, "according to this graph, is Minnesota beating Green Bay?"

It answers the question, "But who have they beaten?" Green Bay & New England have the same record, but Green Bay has beaten better teams. So it's plausible to say that GB has had a harder time getting to 4-3 than NE.

As the season goes on, it'll spread out like a Christmas tree. The really good team is the star on top & the worst team is on the lowest, left branch (usually Cleveland).


Now I'll apply my knowledge:

2 teams tied vertically have the same SOS, and the one higher up has won more of those games.

2 teams tied horizontally have won the same number of games and the one to the right has the tougher schedule.

And so to compare MN/GB, Minnesota has won more/easier games while GB has won fewer/tougher games.
 
2012-10-23 05:21:12 PM  

downstairs: Yeah, me too. Just use an example... what is this supposed to tell me about ATL, GB, and TB (since they're at various extremes.)


The Falcons' win percentage is 1.000, being 6-0 and all, and their opponents' combined record is roughly .350 (Which, of course, includes the 6 losses from having played the Falcons.)

GB's win percentage, at 4-3, is just under .600, and their opponents' combined record is just over .600. They have "stronger" wins compared to Atlanta, as two of their opponents, Chicago and Houston, are otherwise unbeaten.
 
2012-10-23 05:24:43 PM  

roc6783: What is the STL logo?


Lambchop. :)

i.imgur.com


ddam: And why do KC and CAR share a logo?


CAR is "underneath" KC (probably due to CAR being alphabetically before KC, so it gets to the spot first & then KC gets there and sits on top of the other logo). Some of the logos have a bit of transparency to them, which is cool, but also an accident, so I'm not sure how to duplicate the effect.


Misplaced yat: The Chargers and the Cowboys seem to be performing an elaborate dance.


Yeah. I've been noticing a lot of similarities beyond devastatingly handsome quarterbacks.


Also, many thanks to RminusQ for doing the actual math for that SOV chart. He's a smart mofo, I just put it on a pretty graph so our brains don't melt from staring at numbers.
 
2012-10-23 05:25:07 PM  

Rwa2play: The fact that the NFC's a stronger conference than the AFC doesn't hurt either.


And a home win over the Ravens doesn't carry as much weight since they don't have their best cornerback or Ray Lewis anymore.
 
2012-10-23 05:26:12 PM  
Obviously The Jake and the graphs were stellar per usual, but I really dug the trivia this week too. You're all amazing.
 
2012-10-23 05:26:33 PM  

This Looks Fun: Now I'll apply my knowledge:

2 teams tied vertically have the same SOS, and the one higher up has won more of those games.

2 teams tied horizontally have won the same number of games and the one to the right has the tougher schedule.

And so to compare MN/GB, Minnesota has won more/easier games while GB has won fewer/tougher games.


Yes. Nailed it.
 
2012-10-23 05:27:19 PM  

This Looks Fun: Di Atribe: This Looks Fun: Di Atribe: ***snip**

Now I'll apply my knowledge:

2 teams tied vertically have the same SOSV, and the one higher up has won more of those games.

2 teams tied horizontally have won the same number of games and the one to the right has the tougher schedule.

And so to compare MN/GB, Minnesota has won more/easier games while GB has won fewer/tougher games.


FTFY, otherwise correct. GB has had to beat the best teams for their wins, while TB has feasted on the weaklings. ATL is middling, but unbeaten.
 
2012-10-23 05:28:08 PM  

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: As the season goes on, it'll spread out like my mom last night.


It's a trap game
 
2012-10-23 05:28:31 PM  
Also, I think the trivia is an awesome thingamabob. MOAR thanks, treygreen13!
 
2012-10-23 05:28:45 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: And a home win over the Ravens doesn't carry as much weight since they don't have their best cornerback or Ray Lewis anymore.



they appear to be this year's "team that got out to a 5-1 start then missed the playoffs"....as narrowly as they escaped the chiefs (9-6) then barely beat a bad Cowboy team, then got ragdolled by Houston.....i don't know. their shcedule on paper isn't fearsome but they're down players and Flacco, can anyone trust him?
 
2012-10-23 05:30:21 PM  

roc6783: It's a trap game



ZEN
nam myo renji kyo
nam myo renji kyo
waht is the sound of one hand clapping?
nam myo renji kyo THERE ARE NO TRAP GAMES IN THENFLDAMMITALLTOHELLIWASDOINGSOGOODDAMMIT YOU GUYSTHIS IS BULLshiat I HATE YOU
 
2012-10-23 05:30:42 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: The fact that the NFC's a stronger conference than the AFC doesn't hurt either.

And a home win over the Ravens doesn't carry as much weight since they don't have their best cornerback or Ray Lewis anymore.


on the plus side it probably made joe flacco shut up about being an elite qb. 

/bert is pretty elite tho
 
2012-10-23 05:30:51 PM  
I'd like to thank Cutler for coming back to play the second half and the Cutler/Marshall combo for doing just enough that I won my fantasy matchup due to Harbaugh's declined safety.
 
2012-10-23 05:31:56 PM  
Thanks for the graphs, trivia, and as always the jake.

Go Pack Go. Not a hard game coming up, but there is always pressure for a mandatory win.
 
2012-10-23 05:32:43 PM  

rickythepenguin: they appear to be this year's "team that got out to a 5-1 start then missed the playoffs"....as narrowly as they escaped the chiefs (9-6) then barely beat a bad Cowboy team, then got ragdolled by Houston.....i don't know. their shcedule on paper isn't fearsome but they're down players and Flacco, can anyone trust him?


Well I certainly wouldn't. They're certainly a good enough team, but their margin for error was fairly slim even before their defense took a couple of injury hits. That said, with a week off and then games against Cleveland and Oakland they'll probably be 7-2 before the Steelers game.
 
2012-10-23 05:33:58 PM  

Di Atribe: roc6783: What is the STL logo?

Lambchop. :)

***snip***


Wicked awesome.

Not sure if anyone that has 'shop skillz would be willing to extract Rodgers from the pic below and give it to Di for the GB logo on the graph, but I would appreciate it.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-23 05:34:13 PM  

roc6783: Di Atribe: robsul82: Instead, both candidates remained shamefully silent, twiddling their thumbs as Fark Sports burned

Bwaaaaaaaahahaha! An early Jake! YES it's just like Christmas!

Also, graph 2 4 u

[i.imgur.com image 850x588]

bing bong bigger

What is the STL logo?


Looks like STL, CLE, and DET are all some sort of plush animals.

Teddy bears and the such. Maybe a cat
 
2012-10-23 05:35:00 PM  

robbiex0r: Packers are better than Chicago and Baltimore.


Despite winning head-to-head, that violates the 2-loss difference rule.

All 0-loss teams must be ranked above all 2-loss teams
All 1-loss teams must be ranked above all 3-loss teams
All 2-loss teams must be ranked above all 4-loss teams
And so on...

The rule has been true every week since Week 15 in 2010 when Dallas (4-9) was ranked higher than Seattle (6-7).
 
2012-10-23 05:35:30 PM  

GQueue: I'd like to thank Cutler for coming back to play the second half



That hit was monstrous but i can see him getting fined, for that stupid "cradle" rule the NFL selectively invokes where the defensive player is supposed to make an effort to "cradle" the QB to the ground.

that, the hit on Flacco (holy lord that cat got ROCKED) and I think Dockett on Ponder were the best hits o fhte week. that i saw at least. Ponder got cleanly hit juuuuuuust after releasing the ball, and hit got knocked literally on his ass, about 5 feet backwards. that had to hurt. he didn't roll the hit onto his back, he landed flat on his ass. looked painful.

Skelton also got rocked. he got hi-lo'd on a very, very dumb play (i forget if a naked boot or a busted play) but on a 4th and I think 2, he ran wide right, got ran down, and then got helicoptered.
 
2012-10-23 05:35:35 PM  

rickythepenguin: roc6783: It's a trap game


ZEN
nam myo renji kyo
nam myo renji kyo
waht is the sound of one hand clapping?
nam myo renji kyo THERE ARE NO TRAP GAMES IN THENFLDAMMITALLTOHELLIWASDOINGSOGOODDAMMIT YOU GUYSTHIS IS BULLshiat I HATE YOU


I was hoping I would get that from the headline alone. The shiat ya'll make me do around here.
 
2012-10-23 05:37:26 PM  
The Vikings are frauds waiting to be exposed.

And I'm a Vikings fan. Ponder will lose us games until he learns not to. Shamefully bad decision at the end of the first half this week. I hope he learns from it. He's got a bit of the Favre in him, need that to get beat out.
 
2012-10-23 05:39:04 PM  

paswa17: robbiex0r: Packers are better than Chicago and Baltimore.

Despite winning head-to-head, that violates the 2-loss difference rule.

All 0-loss teams must be ranked above all 2-loss teams
All 1-loss teams must be ranked above all 3-loss teams
All 2-loss teams must be ranked above all 4-loss teams
And so on...

The rule has been true every week since Week 15 in 2010 when Dallas (4-9) was ranked higher than Seattle (6-7).


Its safe to say they're better than them and just wait for the rankings to adjust. The Bears might be good but their schedule has been fairly laughable aside from Dallas. Which happened to be the night when Romo and his receivers were playing hot potato.

Once the Bears hit week 10 it looks like murderer's row.
 
2012-10-23 05:39:20 PM  

Earthen: The Vikings are frauds waiting to be exposed.



the north is gonna be a hoot this year. someone in that division is gonna win 11 and GET NOTHING AND LIKE IT!
 
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