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2012-10-23 12:03:46 PM  
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 12:09:24 PM  
Well, considering his base doesn't know where countries like, such as, the Iraq are located.
 
2012-10-23 12:25:11 PM  
Romney has uncovered the secret plans for Ahmadinejad's march to the sea:

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2012-10-23 12:27:38 PM  
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2012-10-23 12:29:09 PM  
He can't even excuse this with confusing it with another country - there are no landlocked countries in the middle east.
 
2012-10-23 12:31:10 PM  

naughtyrev: He can't even excuse this with confusing it with another country - there are no landlocked countries in the middle east.


Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.
 
2012-10-23 12:35:52 PM  

DamnYankees: Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.


Except for Pakistan and Turkmenistan (although the latter only has access to the Caspian.)
 
2012-10-23 12:37:04 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: DamnYankees: Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.

Except for Pakistan and Turkmenistan (although the latter only has access to the Caspian.)


Yeah, generally access to lakes don't count (and lets not kid ourselves, the Caspian Sea is a big lake).
 
2012-10-23 12:37:05 PM  

DamnYankees: naughtyrev: He can't even excuse this with confusing it with another country - there are no landlocked countries in the middle east.

Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.


Armenia maybe - in no way is Afghanistan considered Middle Eastern, it is Asian. Azerbaijan as a former part of the Soviet Union would also not be Middle Eastern. They're in the Caucasus.
 
2012-10-23 12:39:24 PM  

DamnYankees: Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.


None of those are considered "Middle Eastern," unless you go by the G8 definition, which is a pretty broad stretch that includes all of Northern Africa, even countries like Chad and Western Sahara - which is further west than Portugal.
 
2012-10-23 12:39:33 PM  

naughtyrev: DamnYankees: naughtyrev: He can't even excuse this with confusing it with another country - there are no landlocked countries in the middle east.

Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.

Armenia maybe - in no way is Afghanistan considered Middle Eastern, it is Asian. Azerbaijan as a former part of the Soviet Union would also not be Middle Eastern. They're in the Caucasus.


Yeah, the Taliban are clearly Asian. Ninjas and urrthing.
 
2012-10-23 12:40:51 PM  

kronicfeld: DamnYankees: Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.

None of those are considered "Middle Eastern," unless you go by the G8 definition, which is a pretty broad stretch that includes all of Northern Africa, even countries like Chad and Western Sahara - which is further west than Portugal.


I feel like Middle-Eastern counts all countries between Europe and the sub-continent. Maybe my definition is too broad, but I certainly feel like Afghanistan fits in the popular conception of the Middle East.
 
2012-10-23 12:40:54 PM  

logistic: Yeah, the Taliban are clearly Asian. Ninjas and urrthing.


After all, Indians are indistinguishable from the Pakistanis who look just like Japanese, right?
 
2012-10-23 12:46:40 PM  

logistic: naughtyrev: DamnYankees: naughtyrev: He can't even excuse this with confusing it with another country - there are no landlocked countries in the middle east.

Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.

Armenia maybe - in no way is Afghanistan considered Middle Eastern, it is Asian. Azerbaijan as a former part of the Soviet Union would also not be Middle Eastern. They're in the Caucasus.

Yeah, the Taliban are clearly Asian. Ninjas and urrthing.


The Taliban are a political and religious group that have drawn people from a wide region, starting with the war against the Soviet Union as mujaheddin. There are Europeans, North Africans, Middle Easterners, Afghanis, etc. in that group.
 
2012-10-23 12:46:49 PM  

DamnYankees: Yeah, generally access to lakes don't count (and lets not kid ourselves, the Caspian Sea is a big lake).


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2012-10-23 12:49:20 PM  
In fairness, I think I was still learning American geography in fourth grade.
 
2012-10-23 12:49:21 PM  
When does Sherman start his march?
 
2012-10-23 12:53:18 PM  

kronicfeld: logistic: Yeah, the Taliban are clearly Asian. Ninjas and urrthing.

After all, Indians are indistinguishable from the Pakistanis who look just like Japanese, right?


That's exactly my point. They have the funny cloth hats and they bomb people so they clearly are Middle Eastern, it said so on Fox News.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 01:01:16 PM  

DamnYankees: kronicfeld: DamnYankees: Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.

None of those are considered "Middle Eastern," unless you go by the G8 definition, which is a pretty broad stretch that includes all of Northern Africa, even countries like Chad and Western Sahara - which is further west than Portugal.

I feel like Middle-Eastern counts all countries between Europe and the sub-continent. Maybe my definition is too broad, but I certainly feel like Afghanistan fits in the popular conception of the Middle East.


Not really. I think some people may think "middle east" = Islamic in the same way that some people think African = black and Asian = people who look Chinese.

Afghanistan is South Central Asia
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 01:10:35 PM  

Irving Maimway: When does Sherman start his march?


Well most of Syria is a semi-arid steppe. That's sort of like a savanna. Maybe that's why Shermidinijad is going to go that way.
 
2012-10-23 01:49:18 PM  
"And the so-called 'Persian' Gulf was clearly named after the rugs we let the dogs sleep on after a long, tiring car trip."
 
2012-10-23 01:53:40 PM  

kronicfeld: logistic: Yeah, the Taliban are clearly Asian. Ninjas and urrthing.

After all, Indians are indistinguishable from the Pakistanis who look just like Japanese, right?


Indian is not the preferred nomenclature. Native American, please.
 
2012-10-23 01:54:55 PM  

kronicfeld: logistic: Yeah, the Taliban are clearly Asian. Ninjas and urrthing.

After all, Indians are indistinguishable from the Pakistanis who look just like Japanese, right?


Not sure this was the best comparison, since Pakistanis and Indians are mostly the same ethnicity. Pakistan used to be part of India, and was carved out as a separate country for religion reasons, not ethnic reasons.
 
2012-10-23 01:55:38 PM  

vpb: DamnYankees: kronicfeld: DamnYankees: Azerbaijan, Armenia and all the -stan countries are landlocked. At the very least, Afghanistan would count as Middle-Eastern and is landlocked.

None of those are considered "Middle Eastern," unless you go by the G8 definition, which is a pretty broad stretch that includes all of Northern Africa, even countries like Chad and Western Sahara - which is further west than Portugal.

I feel like Middle-Eastern counts all countries between Europe and the sub-continent. Maybe my definition is too broad, but I certainly feel like Afghanistan fits in the popular conception of the Middle East.

Not really. I think some people may think "middle east" = Islamic in the same way that some people think African = black and Asian = people who look Chinese.

Afghanistan is South Central Asia


I think during the debate, Mitt also included Mali in the middle east. That's not even northen africa. Just because a country has angry muslims, it doesn't mean its part of the middle east.
 
2012-10-23 01:56:58 PM  
You know what would be nice, subby? If people like you who don't understand anything about geopolitical strategery could once in a while refrain from opening your big mouths and embarrassing yourselves. Yes, Iran borders some bodies of water, including the Caspian Sea and the Persian Gulf, but so what? The Caspian Sea is landlocked. Have you ever played Civilization and accidentally built a battleship or aircraft carrier in a city that only has access to a landlocked lake? It's about the dumbest thing in the world, and yet, what? You think that's what Iran would want to do? Why, you could barely even turn around a battleship in the Caspian Sea without bumping into some country ending in -stan. And the Persian Gulf? Really? There are pirates in the Persian Gulf, lots of pirates. Why would Iran waste resources fighting pirates?

But Syria has access to the Mediterranean, which is widely regarded in some circles to be the least patrolled, most open body of water on Earth. An Iran with access to the Mediterranean could launch vast flotillas that could threaten US naval supremacy, which is already at its weakest point in over a century. Are you comfortable with the idea of an Iranian battle group steaming across the Atlantic and supporting a land invasion of the continental United States? I'm sure as hell not. And, what, you think that just because Iran and Syria don't share a border, Iran can't launch ships from Syria? Have you ever heard of canals? How do you know that Iran isn't building an entire network of canals to move its fleets overland and into the Mediterranean? We didn't know they were building nuclear weapons, and here's a newsflash, son: canals are a LOT LESS COMPLICATED than nuclear weapons. Iran could construct a canal along the Iraq border, where it would be concealed by the line, and right through the heart of Syria. And don't think we all know that when the first ships of the Iranian invasion fleet appear in New York Harbor, you'll be joining all the other bleeding hearts weeping and crying over the fact that you didn't let Mitt Romney increase the size of our navy. It makes me sad, but it'll be worth it to watch you have to admit how wrong you were.
 
2012-10-23 01:57:24 PM  
The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.
 
2012-10-23 02:04:24 PM  
What amuses me is that the same Republicans going on and on and on and on about Obama calling the Benghazi attack "an act of terror" instead of "a terror attack", will probably be dismissing this gross error in geography as an "oopsie".

Like my father-in-law, for example.
 
2012-10-23 02:06:09 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Iran could construct a canal along the Iraq border, where it would be concealed by the line,


Bra-vo. I lost it when I read this....
 
2012-10-23 02:08:26 PM  
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2012-10-23 02:14:32 PM  

Pocket Ninja: YHave you ever played Civilization and accidentally built a battleship or aircraft carrier in a city that only has access to a landlocked lake?


been there.

currently playing a game where the opposite is true. I thought i could get my navy to provide support for taking a city... but after circling the area and uncovering the map, turns out the city is in a landlocked lake and my ships can't actually reach it. :(
 
2012-10-23 02:17:07 PM  

timujin: The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.


Stupid libtard. Everyone knows there's a stable wormhole in Tehran that allows the Iranian navy direct access to Damascus.
 
2012-10-23 02:22:16 PM  

vpb: Afghanistan is South Central Asia


Thus the adage encouraging visitors to the area to temporarily cease all menacing behavior while concurrently consuming juice.
 
2012-10-23 02:23:40 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: timujin: The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.

Stupid libtard. Everyone knows there's a stable wormhole in Tehran that allows the Iranian navy direct access to Damascus.


I don't think their navy's situation would be all that improved should they warp to Damascus.
 
2012-10-23 02:26:12 PM  

kbronsito: I think during the debate, Mitt also included Mali in the middle east. That's not even northen africa. Just because a country has angry muslims, it doesn't mean its part of the middle east.


His obsession with repeatedly mentioning Mali in the first half-hour of the debate was actually quite amusing.
 
2012-10-23 02:27:47 PM  

naughtyrev: Lionel Mandrake: timujin: The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.

Stupid libtard. Everyone knows there's a stable wormhole in Tehran that allows the Iranian navy direct access to Damascus.

I don't think their navy's situation would be all that improved should they warp to Damascus.


if Iran tries to move their navy to damascus using the worm whole... Obama can just ask the prophets to intervene.
 
2012-10-23 02:28:01 PM  

DamnYankees: Pakistanis and Indians are mostly the same ethnicity.


Which is sort of like saying all Europeans are mostly the same ethnicity.
 
2012-10-23 02:28:47 PM  

Pocket Ninja: We didn't know they were building nuclear weapons, and here's a newsflash, son: canals are a LOT LESS COMPLICATED than nuclear weapons. Iran could construct a canal along the Iraq border, where it would be concealed by the line, and right through the heart of Syria. And don't think we all know that when the first ships of the Iranian invasion fleet appear in New York Harbor, you'll be joining all the othe


This is simply awesome.
 
2012-10-23 02:29:26 PM  
Really?

This needs its own thread?
 
2012-10-23 02:30:26 PM  

naughtyrev: He can't even excuse this with confusing it with another country - there are no landlocked countries in the middle east.


A few people were trying to pass it off as him getting Iraq and Iran mixed-up, but Iraq has the port cities of Basra and Umm Qasr.
 
2012-10-23 02:32:16 PM  

unlikely: Really?

This needs its own thread?


There's 7 threads about bayonets, why not one about the actual gaffe?
 
2012-10-23 02:32:46 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: timujin: The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.

Stupid libtard. Everyone knows there's a stable wormhole in Tehran that allows the Iranian navy direct access to Damascus.


Of course, the other option is that they route their navy all the way around Africa, through the Straights of Gibraltar, and then to Syria, but then why would they need Syria at all?
 
2012-10-23 02:33:17 PM  

unlikely: Really?

This needs its own thread?


It needs like a dozen threads. The comment itself hammers home how Romney simply has no idea what's going on outside the US's borders.
 
2012-10-23 02:35:34 PM  

unlikely: Really?

This needs its own thread?


I've been emailing Drew about the need for this thread all morning. Finally he listened.
 
2012-10-23 02:36:05 PM  

timujin: The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.


This is not a one-time slip of the tongue.

Romney has stated that "Syria is Iran's route to the sea" six times on the record in the last year.

Additional citation, from the last time this came up, six months ago

You'd think that having been questioned about this statement previously, the campaign would have revised this talking point to specifically refer to the Mediterranean, rather than "the sea" in general. 

But I guess if you keep repeating it, it will eventually come true.
 
2012-10-23 02:39:28 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: Pakistanis and Indians are mostly the same ethnicity.

Which is sort of like saying all Europeans are mostly the same ethnicity.


Well, that's true, but that's basically true of just calling all Indians of the same ethnicity
 
2012-10-23 02:41:01 PM  
Wow, shocking. A Republican with a less than elementary school level grasp of geography. Next thing you'll tell me, water is wet.
 
2012-10-23 02:41:18 PM  
I just heard the newest talking point -- the only competent moderator was Jim Lehrer, and the others are part of the LSM Lame Stream Streaming Media Stream, and Lehrer would have given Romney the opportunity to correct this simple misstatement that the FartB0ngererers are latching onto to distract us from the total shutout defeat he bongoed with his farts last night.

I hope nobody tells them where Lehrer works.
 
2012-10-23 02:41:22 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: kbronsito: I think during the debate, Mitt also included Mali in the middle east. That's not even northen africa. Just because a country has angry muslims, it doesn't mean its part of the middle east.

His obsession with repeatedly mentioning Mali in the first half-hour of the debate was actually quite amusing.


IDK what that was about but he got the geography wrong and he got the scenario wrong. He mentioned Mali as a state where an "arab spring" like moment had been ruined by Islamic fundamentalists. But it is my understanding that what happened in Mali was a military coup and not a democratic movement. The coup leaders apparently didn't anticipate that while they attempted to consolidate their power, Islamists in the north would declare independence.

I barely understand the conflict in that country (though being a foreign relations nerd, my threshold for saying that i understand is pretty high). But I'm fairly certain that Mitt has no idea about where Mali is located, what the history of the country is like and what the reasons for the conflict he was trying to explain are. If he was going to take a moment to talk about Mali... its all nice that he mentions the Islamic insurrection in the north, but he could have used the high profile event to shed light on the fact that Mali still has fairly wide-spread slavery. That, IMO is a little bit more hardcore than some run of the mill insurrection.
 
2012-10-23 02:44:15 PM  

kbronsito: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: kbronsito: I think during the debate, Mitt also included Mali in the middle east. That's not even northen africa. Just because a country has angry muslims, it doesn't mean its part of the middle east.

His obsession with repeatedly mentioning Mali in the first half-hour of the debate was actually quite amusing.

IDK what that was about but he got the geography wrong and he got the scenario wrong. He mentioned Mali as a state where an "arab spring" like moment had been ruined by Islamic fundamentalists. But it is my understanding that what happened in Mali was a military coup and not a democratic movement. The coup leaders apparently didn't anticipate that while they attempted to consolidate their power, Islamists in the north would declare independence.

I barely understand the conflict in that country (though being a foreign relations nerd, my threshold for saying that i understand is pretty high). But I'm fairly certain that Mitt has no idea about where Mali is located, what the history of the country is like and what the reasons for the conflict he was trying to explain are. If he was going to take a moment to talk about Mali... its all nice that he mentions the Islamic insurrection in the north, but he could have used the high profile event to shed light on the fact that Mali still has fairly wide-spread slavery. That, IMO is a little bit more hardcore than some run of the mill insurrection.


This.

He sounded to me like one of those people who intentionally reads up on something that most people won't know about to sound a bit smarter than others, and hoping that their lack of any knowledge was able to mask his own lack of understanding.
 
2012-10-23 02:46:46 PM  

naughtyrev: Lionel Mandrake: timujin: The only reasonable explanation I've heard for this is that Romney was specifically talking about the Mediterranean, because that would give Iran a strategic advantage were they to attack Israel. What I haven't heard is how they plan to march through Iraq to Syria. From what I understand, Iraq and Iran don't get along very well.

Stupid libtard. Everyone knows there's a stable wormhole in Tehran that allows the Iranian navy direct access to Damascus.

I don't think their navy's situation would be all that improved should they warp to Damascus.


Hey, if they can get their navy to Tehran in the first place, I wouldn't put anything past them
 
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