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(NBC News)   From the Nice Try files: NY court rules that lap dances aren't art, do not contribute to the cultural enrichment of a community, and therefore cannot claim a tax break   (bottomline.nbcnews.com) divider line 48
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2012-10-23 01:51:47 PM
If Romney is elected president they sure will be.
 
2012-10-23 01:52:52 PM
The lawsuit was filed by Nite Moves,

upload.wikimedia.org

Does not approve
 
2012-10-23 01:53:47 PM
What if the lap dance is ironic?
 
2012-10-23 01:54:23 PM
We should tax art the same way we should tax churches.
 
2012-10-23 01:55:41 PM
This is why we can't have nice things
 
2012-10-23 01:56:57 PM
But we put the "spring" in Springfield!
 
2012-10-23 01:58:06 PM
Lap Dances aside, because that seems to cloud the argument, I don't see how the "high art" people can possibly be on board with this. Having a court decide what is and is not art strays into territory which shall not be named, lest I Godwin my own argument.

If trained artists are the only ones who can make art, that leaves out a whole cadre of autodidacts, including people like Jimi Hendrix. From a historical perspective if only "good" (what ever the fark that means) artists were elevated while bad artists were suppressed, we wouldn't have Impressionists paintings. Period.

To put it succinctly: Cultural Colonialism. Paternalistic, Rich, Old WASPs deciding what the rest of us should find ennobling.
 
kab
2012-10-23 01:59:43 PM
In other news, the NY court has never had a good lap dance.
 
2012-10-23 02:03:17 PM
I have certainly enriched quite a few lapdancers in my day....
 
2012-10-23 02:03:55 PM
It's Art to me!!!!
mimg.ugo.com

/Tip your strippers, they are people too.
 
2012-10-23 02:04:44 PM
What if the stripper is crying?
 
2012-10-23 02:07:22 PM
I am uncomfortable with courts deciding what is or is not art.
 
2012-10-23 02:09:40 PM

liam76: I am uncomfortable with courts deciding what is or is not art.


Then don't write laws that make that distinction required.
 
2012-10-23 02:10:33 PM
What if its a ballet/lap dance?
or lap dance/ballet.
 
2012-10-23 02:11:38 PM
i406.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 02:12:51 PM
I may not be an Art critic but I know ART when I see it.
www.mattderody.com
 
2012-10-23 02:17:13 PM
It's art if it evokes emotion from those who see/hear/feel it. Court is wrong. Before that, legislature is wrong.

Much wrongness is here.
 
2012-10-23 02:21:48 PM
I live in the vicinity of this club, so I'm getting a kick out of....

In other news - this particular establishment is a seedy dive and the talent is, er, not so much talented.
 
2012-10-23 02:23:01 PM
"True art is characterized by an irresistible urge" - Einstein

Yep, i get the urge so it must be art.
 
2012-10-23 02:28:43 PM
There goes my mime lap dance idea.
 
2012-10-23 02:34:10 PM

99.998er: There goes my mime lap dance idea.


Maybe have them swing from a trapeze, call it "Cirque de la Single Mom"
 
kab
2012-10-23 02:34:15 PM

buckstar: I live in the vicinity of this club, so I'm getting a kick out of....

In other news - this particular establishment is a seedy dive and the talent is, er, not so much talented.


*reads article*

oh, it's THAT place?

/also lives in the general area, sort of
//never been there, but what I've heard falls in line with your assessment.
 
2012-10-23 02:35:43 PM
It's art that makes me explode with emotion if done correctly.
 
2012-10-23 02:38:07 PM

buckstar: In other news - this particular establishment is a seedy dive and the talent is, er, not so much talented.


Ohh god THEM I dont think even people from the Ledg go there it sure is sad looking from the outside.
 
2012-10-23 02:43:16 PM
Now wait a minute, yesterday it was determined in the thread about the one way mirror that let people look into the womens restroom that anything could be considered art. Don't these judges fark?


/i just made art again
 
2012-10-23 02:45:49 PM
Why should art be exempt from sales tax anyway?
 
2012-10-23 02:47:31 PM

wmack: Lap Dances aside, because that seems to cloud the argument, I don't see how the "high art" people can possibly be on board with this. Having a court decide what is and is not art strays into territory which shall not be named, lest I Godwin my own argument.

If trained artists are the only ones who can make art, that leaves out a whole cadre of autodidacts, including people like Jimi Hendrix. From a historical perspective if only "good" (what ever the fark that means) artists were elevated while bad artists were suppressed, we wouldn't have Impressionists paintings. Period.

To put it succinctly: Cultural Colonialism. Paternalistic, Rich, Old WASPs deciding what the rest of us should find ennobling.


Yup. This is a court deciding the answer they want and then rationalizing that it's right.
 
2012-10-23 02:58:42 PM
Lap dances are an erotic form of dance art. Especially by a woman who is in great shape, has grace and some dance skills. But that's just my opinion. Surprised this NY court is so puritanical.
 
2012-10-23 03:03:14 PM

Je5tEr: What if the stripper is crying?


That makes it so much better!
 
2012-10-23 03:13:13 PM

ChipNASA: If Romney is elected president they sure will be.


Christ, I can't wait for the election over just so we can stop hearing 10,000 versions of this same lame-ass joke.

Heh-heh, if Romney is (heh-heh-heh) elected well then THAT won't fly (heh-heh, I'm so clever!)
 
2012-10-23 03:21:24 PM
Medical necessity? What if I spend more than 7.5% of my AGI on lapdances, then can I deduct them?
 
2012-10-23 03:24:42 PM
B...b....but what about the FIRST AMENDMENT? The power to tax is the power to DESTROY, right? At least that's what the Bible-thumpers say when you propose taxing their Gulfstreams and Medici-scale land holdings.
 
2012-10-23 03:25:08 PM
If the dancer declares the performance art then the lap dance is just as much art as anything by the NYC Ballet.

The court has no right to determine what is or is not art.

That's my job.
 
2012-10-23 03:40:40 PM

blatz514: The lawsuit was filed by Nite Moves,

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]

Does not approve


Judging by the lyrics to the song "Main Street", I'd say Bob approves of lap dances. He may not approve of this particular club, though.
 
2012-10-23 03:50:07 PM

Texas Curmudgeon: blatz514: The lawsuit was filed by Nite Moves,

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]

Does not approve

Judging by the lyrics to the song "Main Street", I'd say Bob approves of lap dances. He may not approve of this particular club, though.


Good catch.

"There was this long lovely dancer in a little club downtown "
 
2012-10-23 04:03:41 PM
Yet painting an eye where a person's chin should be is art. Or how about a painting of a flower. Why is that more important than, say, a real flower? Then the painting of a nude woman is art but a nude woman is not? What world do we live in?
 
2012-10-23 04:12:54 PM

SDRR: 99.998er: There goes my mime lap dance idea.

Maybe have them swing from a trapeze, call it "Cirque de la SingleOcto Mom"


FTFY
 
2012-10-23 04:43:31 PM
But a statue of Christ in a jar of piss is? A bunch of out of touch judges who probably never even watch TV are ruling on what exactly is art. Nice.
 
2012-10-23 04:59:15 PM
Since when does the court get to decide what is or isn't art. Or for that matter what is or isnt a religion Subjective issues should be written out in law not left to the courts to dictate
 
2012-10-23 05:07:07 PM
Get a lap dance from a new stripper and then compare to a seasoned stripper. Then tell me it's not art.
 
2012-10-23 05:29:37 PM
What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. This legal splitting of hairs is one hell of a slippery slope. Next they'll take on the tax break status of unorthodox religions whose members do not have the clout (lets say of like the Catholic Church) to fight a tax exemption ruling. Oh, and Radiovox? I agree with you whole-heartedly.

/will probably be overturned on appeal
//I hope..
///maybe Scientology will lose its status
 
2012-10-23 06:07:18 PM
Yet ballet is still considered art, and I'm sure I'm not the only Farker (or Farkette) to fap to that.
 
2012-10-23 08:51:51 PM
However lap dances for New York state legislators can still be paid for with taxpayer dollars. It's a women's-outreach effort, you see.
 
2012-10-23 09:01:28 PM
What if she leaves her hat on?
 
2012-10-23 09:02:50 PM

JohnAnnArbor: liam76: I am uncomfortable with courts deciding what is or is not art.

Then don't write laws that make that distinction required.


BAM
 
2012-10-23 09:23:41 PM
A quick check shows the court to be elected rather than appointed. I'm not one bit surprised. Elected courts tend to be more interested in the will of the people rather than what the law actually says.
 
2012-10-24 07:20:05 AM

JohnAnnArbor: liam76: I am uncomfortable with courts deciding what is or is not art.

Then don't write laws that make that distinction required.


Well I didn't write that law and while I agree there is some merit to the argument that this was due to poor wording and or thought process behind the law (the same can be said for tax exempt status of churches) it is still wrong fro any court to tell a citizen what they are doing isn'ty art.
 
2012-10-24 11:07:53 AM
NYS is a money-grubbing state. Nickname - The Vampire State. They've been trying to tax InTarNets sales since there have BEEN sales on the InTarNets. Cigarettes - buy'em and pay taxes (just don't actually smoke them).
 
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