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(Politico)   Media: Lessee here, Obama clearly won the last two debates by a wide margin, but that hurts our "horse race/close election" storyline, what to do? Got it. Let's admit Obama won 2 out of 3 debates but say Romney won "the debate season"   (politico.com) divider line 134
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2012-10-23 10:16:01 AM

in terms of debate snap polls, Mitt via CBS suffered one of worst losses in TV history last night (-30): Press reax: Mitt has the momentum!

- Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) October 23, 2012
 
2012-10-23 10:16:07 AM
Journalism died a long time ago.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:39 AM
Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter
 
2012-10-23 10:16:42 AM
It's an opinion column from Joe farking Scarborough, of course it says that.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:43 AM
News flash: CNN still sucks donkey balls.
 
2012-10-23 10:17:19 AM
Romney managed to not defecate on stage. That's a win. Sorry libs, better luck next four years.
 
2012-10-23 10:17:46 AM
This is completely retarded.
 
2012-10-23 10:18:07 AM

spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter


This is true.
 
2012-10-23 10:18:18 AM
Last night's debate was boring. The only way to win that game was not to play.
 
2012-10-23 10:18:32 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: in terms of debate snap polls, Mitt via CBS suffered one of worst losses in TV history last night (-30): Press reax: Mitt has the momentum!- Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) October 23, 2012


He's got nowhere to go but up!
 
2012-10-23 10:18:54 AM
Who let the BCS people in here?!
 
2012-10-23 10:18:59 AM
Let's ask Ann Romney what she thinks.
 
2012-10-23 10:19:14 AM

sprawl15: Romney managed to not defecate on stage. That's a win. Sorry libs, better luck next four years.


He didn't? Did you miss this part?

oi45.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-23 10:19:47 AM
It was pretty clear that Romney came across as the more conservative and intelligent of the two. Obama just acted like a bully.

I say Romney wins the election.
 
2012-10-23 10:19:55 AM

clkeagle: sprawl15: Romney managed to not defecate on stage. That's a win. Sorry libs, better luck next four years.

He didn't? Did you miss this part?

[oi45.tinypic.com image 400x442]


If you are trying to say that Obama's picture is equivalent to feces, you are the real racist.
 
2012-10-23 10:19:56 AM
Well. He did.

Obama has substance.

Romney "Looks presidential"

Guess which one wins votes these days?

I'll give you a hint. Remember when Al Gore clearly had better command of the issues in the debates? Bush was a bumbling mush mouth. Who won the election? Bush, because "He was someone I could hang out with."

Romney is winning because he is white, and "looks presidential"

Obama is just a hood rat.

/Half of America really thinks this way.
//Kill me. Please.
 
2012-10-23 10:20:40 AM

spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter


This (and the article's points) will be reasonable statements if Romney's numbers hold where they are into next week. The day after the debate? Not so much.
 
2012-10-23 10:20:49 AM
Yeah...no...no...you don't understand how this works.

You see, the Cardinals ACTUALLY won the NLCS last night because. See? We cool here?
 
2012-10-23 10:20:55 AM
Well, they do have a point. That first debate turned this election from a blowout to a competitive race. The second and third ones seem to have swung the momentum back to Obama's favor, though, so we may see his lead widen up again in the next couple of weeks.
 
2012-10-23 10:21:36 AM

Geotpf: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This is true.


Assuming Romney really did get the bump polls have shown. In a historical contest of debates not mattering, I do wonder.
 
2012-10-23 10:21:40 AM
I don't want to live on this planet any more.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:16 AM
Based on the swing in the polls after the first debate Romney did win the debate "season", admitting that to be true doesn't mean you want to get into Romney's magic underwear subtard.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:19 AM
How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:32 AM
Why not just outright pay for ranking? Only the middlemen and brokers will be hurt.
 
2012-10-23 10:23:02 AM

chrisco123: It was pretty clear that Romney came across as the more conservative and intelligent of the two. Obama just acted like a bully.

I say Romney wins the election.


www.youknow-forkids.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 10:23:03 AM
Seems fair to me. Romney brought his campaign back from the dead with that first debate. Obama may have won two of them, but Romney is a viable candidate and he wasn't before.
 
2012-10-23 10:23:39 AM
Wow, how do you sit down with all that butt hurt subby?

I guess you went to a unionized public school full of tenured pedo kindergarten teachers since you've never heard the term "Pyrrhic Victory".

/when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you
//don't be so lazy next time and remember to wrap your lies in the truth
 
2012-10-23 10:23:46 AM

spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter


This.

/Also an Obama voter
 
2012-10-23 10:24:16 AM
This must be the thread where the trolls and shills come out to spew their talking points.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:16 AM

Smackledorfer: Geotpf: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This is true.

Assuming Romney really did get the bump polls have shown. In a historical contest of debates not mattering, I do wonder.


It was probably more disinterested GOP voters owning up to their candidate rather than Romney convincing a good percentage of independents.
 
2012-10-23 10:25:38 AM
So Romney won the debate season. In other news, the Pittsburgh Pirates had their first winning season in 20 years with a 79-83 record.

Other than fox, will they declare that romney won the election after gaining 247 electoral votes?
 
2012-10-23 10:25:43 AM
The only thing that makes me happy is knowing I didnt need to see these debates to decide who I was voting for. Voted straight (actually gay with the marriage law) democrat and dropped it off in the election box. Whether we still have Obama in office later, is up to the undecided morans.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:23 AM

Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.


yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline
 
2012-10-23 10:26:26 AM
That liberal media's at it again, not daring to say anything bad about the Muslim Socialist in Chief.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:28 AM

clkeagle: sprawl15: Romney managed to not defecate on stage. That's a win. Sorry libs, better luck next four years.

He didn't? Did you miss this part?

[oi45.tinypic.com image 400x442]


Like he loves Big Bird. ;-)
 
2012-10-23 10:27:26 AM

fluffy2097: Well. He did.

Obama has substance.

Romney "Looks presidential"

Guess which one wins votes these days?

I'll give you a hint. Remember when Al Gore clearly had better command of the issues in the debates? Bush was a bumbling mush mouth. Who won the election? Bush, because "He was someone I could hang out with."

Romney is winning because he is white, and "looks presidential"

Obama is just a hood rat.

/Half of America really thinks this way.
//Kill me. Please.


I'd point out that it's pretty hard not to look presidential when you actually are the President of the United States.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:20 AM
I'd agree completely. Romney won the "Debate season" because more people got to hear his ideas, see him speak, listen to his voice etc etc. He was the challenger, and he got more air time.

Everyone already knew who President Obama was. They got to see Romney stand next to President Obama, which raises Romney's status.

Did Romney do well enough to win the election? Of course not. He lost the last two debates hands down, and he needed to make a huuuuuuuge win to have any chance of beating Obama.

What I'm saying is, it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:25 AM
It would have been interesting to see the spin if Obama had outclassed Romney this badly in the first debate as well.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:45 AM

fluffy2097: Well. He did.

Obama has substance.

Romney "Looks presidential"

Guess which one wins votes these days?

.

The one that rigs the voting machines?
 
2012-10-23 10:29:13 AM

sprawl15: Romney managed to not defecate on stage. That's a win. Sorry libs, better luck next four years.


Just like a Republitard to defend this guy. Just like it was obvious that Bush was wearing a wire and earpiece, Romney's adult diaper was as clear as day.

Study it out.
 
2012-10-23 10:29:15 AM

Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.


I wonder if he knows where the US is.
 
2012-10-23 10:29:39 AM

Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


He was saying "their route to the seasonal time shares in Syrian resort communities", but President Fart was being an aggressive minority and cut him off.
 
2012-10-23 10:29:46 AM

Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


And does not border Syria.

Basically, Mitt Romney forgot about Iraq. Which is pretty consistent with the Republican party.
 
2012-10-23 10:29:53 AM

chrisco123: It was pretty clear that Romney came across as the more conservative and intelligent of the two. Obama just acted like a bully.

I say Romney wins the election.


The troll, in its natural habitat. Let's see what it does, now that another poster upthread has provoked it.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:09 AM

Zoophagous: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This.

/Also an Obama voter


But how much of that is the media making this a horse race? They blew up when Romney won the first debate. They turned it into much more than it was, making it sound like a blow out when it really wasn't. Romney didn't win that one with the margin Obama won this one, but the media made it into a major victory. What do they say about this one? CNN's headline: Obama wins debate, but does it matter? Yeah, that's creating a narrative right there. That's assuming the answer in the question. In fact, that's literally "begging the question".

The race is close because it's profitable for it to be close.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:20 AM

Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


Iran and Syria do not share a border, and Syria has a coastline on the Mediterranean. Romney could not have said a stupider thing.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:26 AM

what_now: What I'm saying is, it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


That's because Obama gutted our mighty fleet.
 
2012-10-23 10:31:28 AM

Cletus C.: Last night's debate was boring. The only way to win that game was not to play.



S, "Tell us about your strategy for Iran?"
 
R, "Well, first I wan tto say something about teachers and cars here in the USA."
 
S, "And you Mr. Obama?"
 
O, "We don't use horses or bayonettes anymore and we have these boats that go underwater."
 
S, "Thank you both.  You could have been so useful.  But you gave us so much more."
 
2012-10-23 10:31:58 AM
The obvious course of action for Team Obama is to gloat gloat gloat and wait for someone on Fox News to drop the N bomb.
 
2012-10-23 10:32:19 AM

bwilson27: This must be the thread where the trolls and shills come out to spew their talking points.


I think this should be repeated. Clearly, they did not watch the same debate that I did.


/Battleship rules!!
 
2012-10-23 10:32:33 AM

kronicfeld: Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

Iran and Syria do not share a border, and Syria has a coastline on the Mediterranean. Romney could not have said a stupider thing.


And had Obama said that, you'd be hearing how wrong he was from every news outlet, including the "liberal media".

But because reporting on Romney being an idiot might make this less of a "tight race", they won't.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:00 AM

Dr. Whoof: Zoophagous: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This.

/Also an Obama voter

But how much of that is the media making this a horse race? They blew up when Romney won the first debate. They turned it into much more than it was, making it sound like a blow out when it really wasn't. Romney didn't win that one with the margin Obama won this one, but the media made it into a major victory. What do they say about this one? CNN's headline: Obama wins debate, but does it matter? Yeah, that's creating a narrative right there. That's assuming the answer in the question. In fact, that's literally "begging the question".

The race is close because it's profitable for it to be close.



Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?  Muwhahahahahaa!!!
 
2012-10-23 10:33:22 AM
So if it's a horse race, and Obama has both a horse and a bayonet, is it still a fair fight?
 
2012-10-23 10:33:41 AM

Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:43 AM
Once Obama DOES win, I don't know who I want to go out and beat up one by one; the Teabaggers or the media jackwads who keep trying to push this "close race" horsesh*t.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:46 AM

I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?


blogs.villagevoice.com

No, not at all.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:51 AM

beta_plus: when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you


I see no evidence that that isn't what he is, though. I have to call it like I see it.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:03 AM
Obama is an obvious liberal plant, so Subby's headline is a non-story.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:06 AM
Under my 10-point must system:
round 1: Romney 10-8 Obama pulled his punches
R2: Obama 10-9 Romney edged out in a close one
R3: Obama 10-7 near TKO early, Romney constantly goes off topic, ready to tag Tagg in for the double team
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson
 
2012-10-23 10:34:19 AM

coeyagi: The obvious course of action for Team Obama is to gloat gloat gloat and wait for someone on Fox News to drop the N bomb.


Even the Fox guys were laughing (at Romney) when they played the clip of "horses and bayonets". Good times.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:57 AM
If you say, during a debate, that you love cars, but forget that you wrote an article called "Let Detroit go bankrupt", you might have Romnesia.
 
2012-10-23 10:35:02 AM
The bottom line is the media have spent this election creating self-fulfilling narratives.

Everyone knew Romney performed better in the first debate, and the media screamed, "THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!!!" and it became so.

Now, everyone knows Obama wiped the floor with Romney, and the media screams, "TOO LATE! THIS ONE ISN'T IMPORTANT!" And so it will be so.
 
2012-10-23 10:35:41 AM

fluffy2097:
Romney is winning because he is white, and "looks presidential"


This was mentioned this morning @ work. My response, "I think he'd play a great President on tv".
 
2012-10-23 10:35:49 AM
Well Willard can use that to assuage his grief when he loses the Election Season in a couple weeks.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:05 AM

Thrakkerzog: Like he loves Big Bird. ;-)


Okay, I can take requests. :)

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-23 10:36:17 AM

I_C_Weener: Dr. Whoof: Zoophagous: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This.

/Also an Obama voter

But how much of that is the media making this a horse race? They blew up when Romney won the first debate. They turned it into much more than it was, making it sound like a blow out when it really wasn't. Romney didn't win that one with the margin Obama won this one, but the media made it into a major victory. What do they say about this one? CNN's headline: Obama wins debate, but does it matter? Yeah, that's creating a narrative right there. That's assuming the answer in the question. In fact, that's literally "begging the question".

The race is close because it's profitable for it to be close.


Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?  Muwhahahahahaa!!!


I think it's more of an ad sales-based conspiracy.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:30 AM
Unfortunately, the news networks rely on ad revenue just like every other channel you don't outright pay for. Sure, they could make the election a non-issue and just admit Romney's fialing horribly and call the election for Obama, but then what? What do they fill their 24 hours news with? There's not enough pretty white girls being abducted lately, and the whole teacher sleeping with students has already reached it's apex and is on the downslide with it occurring more and more. They NEED that ad revenue.

So, they come up with new twists to make it seem more compelling than it is, literally making up the news. Then, there's Wolf Blitzer /facepalm.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:37 AM

stoli n coke: Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.


Iraq has a coastline too though, only like 60 miles but still...Maybe he was talking about Jordan that's actually landlocked iirc.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:59 AM

raerae1980: bwilson27: This must be the thread where the trolls and shills come out to spew their talking points.

I think this should be repeated. Clearly, they did not watch the same debate that I did.


/Battleship rules!!



Battleship is inferior to Risk.  And dammit, Schieffer didn't ask one question about Kamchatka!!!
 
2012-10-23 10:37:07 AM

Milo1974: Under my 10-point must system:
round 1: Romney 10-8 Obama pulled his punches
R2: Obama 10-9 Romney edged out in a close one
R3: Obama 10-7 near TKO early, Romney constantly goes off topic, ready to tag Tagg in for the double team
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson


Yes, weed will solve everything. But let me not interrupt you as look up blood and semen banks on google maps. The weekend is coming soon and you need some hash cash.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:09 AM

I_C_Weener: Cletus C.: Last night's debate was boring. The only way to win that game was not to play.


S, "Tell us about your strategy for Iran?"
 
R, "Well, first I wan tto say something about teachers and cars here in the USA."
 
S, "And you Mr. Obama?"
 
O, "We don't use horses or bayonettes anymore and we have these boats that go underwater."
 
S, "Thank you both.  You could have been so useful.  But you gave us so much more."


So vote Republican. Or, vote for the Republican that got his ass handed to him in the primary and now calls himself a Libertarian.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:28 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I think it's more of an ad sales-based conspiracy.


It's like people forget media conglomerates are businesses operating in a capitalist system and therefore want to generate profit.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:52 AM

I_C_Weener: raerae1980: bwilson27: This must be the thread where the trolls and shills come out to spew their talking points.

I think this should be repeated. Clearly, they did not watch the same debate that I did.


/Battleship rules!!


Battleship is inferior to Risk.  And dammit, Schieffer didn't ask one question about Kamchatka!!!


They are all inferior to Settlers of Cataan.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:06 AM
I guess if you want to split hairs, Romney would win the "season" (whatever the hell that was) because he went from a 10% chance of winning to a 25% chance of winning.

/damn, he's on fire
 
2012-10-23 10:38:34 AM
Nevermind.. upon looking at an actual map Jordan has a coastline on the Gulf of Aqaba
 
2012-10-23 10:39:14 AM
I noticed this in the post-debate discussion on TV last night.

"Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

Republican shills: who won the debate? Eh, this debate doesn't really matter. As it turns out, only the first one counted. Voters only care about the economy.

Not a one of them could bring themselves to acknowledge that Obama straight up won the debate. The most they would give him is a grudging victory "on points," whatever the hell that means.

This despite the fact that it was clear from polling that Obama clearly won the debate. In fact, in the CBS snap poll, Obama won this debate by a larger margin than Romney won the first one.

And I was watching CNN last night. Liberal media, my ass.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:21 AM

Headso: stoli n coke: Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.

Iraq has a coastline too though, only like 60 miles but still...Maybe he was talking about Jordan that's actually landlocked iirc.


Jordan has a one town coastline on the Red Sea, stuck between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:10 AM
The fate of the election is now in the hands of the ineptitude of certain campaign surrogates to do something absolutely retarded. Your move, Saul.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:25 AM

FuturePastNow: beta_plus: when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you

I see no evidence that that isn't what he is, though. I have to call it like I see it.


Bullshiat. People actually like Scrooge McDuck, and not just people on his payroll.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:47 AM

Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


Not only that, you know what it doesn't have? A border with Syria.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:11 AM

beta_plus: /when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you


I see Rmoney as a caricature of a grown up spoiled rotten brat, a bully, a corporate predator, and someone who gets easily frustrated when anyone dares to say "no" to him because he thinks he's better than everyone else.

And that view has been very well confirmed in these debates.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:33 AM
By JOE SCARBOROUGH

And we're done here.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:11 AM

Doc Daneeka: I noticed this in the post-debate discussion on TV last night.

"Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

Republican shills: who won the debate? Eh, this debate doesn't really matter. As it turns out, only the first one counted. Voters only care about the economy.

Not a one of them could bring themselves to acknowledge that Obama straight up won the debate. The most they would give him is a grudging victory "on points," whatever the hell that means.

This despite the fact that it was clear from polling that Obama clearly won the debate. In fact, in the CBS snap poll, Obama won this debate by a larger margin than Romney won the first one.

And I was watching CNN last night. Liberal media, my ass.


I still have frothing mongoloid co-workers calling CNN the Communist News Network. This is why we can't even have a real debate in this country - when middle of the road (and hell, occasionally right-leaning) outlets are being called far left.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:16 AM

stoli n coke: Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.


I would've liked to hear Romney pontificate on the significance of the Shia-Sunni schism in Syria. I'm sure Condoleeza Rice's advice has provided him with a wealth of cold war expertise.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:30 AM

Doc Daneeka: "Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.


everyone on MSNBC, even Scarborough, seem to pretty much think Obama won, or at the very least, Romney did terrible. I'm skeptical this debate will be a big game changer, but I do get the feeling a lot of Romney supporters feel a bit deflated in their support.


I'm thinking the "Media Horse Race" meme is becoming way too echo chambery on Fark.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:35 AM

FeedTheCollapse: Doc Daneeka: "Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

everyone on MSNBC, even Scarborough, seem to pretty much think Obama won, or at the very least, Romney did terrible. I'm skeptical this debate will be a big game changer, but I do get the feeling a lot of Romney supporters feel a bit deflated in their support.


I'm thinking the "Media Horse Race" meme is becoming way too echo chambery on Fark.


If you're thinking the meme is overblown based on MSNBC's reaction alone... you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:46 AM

chrisco123: It was pretty clear that Romney came across as the more conservative and intelligent of the two. Obama just acted like a bully.

I say Romney wins the election.


pictat.com
 
2012-10-23 10:52:12 AM
You know what really helps their close race narrative? The fact it is a close race.
 
2012-10-23 10:54:51 AM

js34603: You know what really helps their close race narrative? The fact it is a close race.


It is a close race, but that's not what the media narrative has been. They've been saying it's a tie, a dead-heat. It's not. Obama has a clear electoral college lead. Romney has a chance. But he is obviously playing from behind.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:36 AM

coeyagi: FeedTheCollapse: Doc Daneeka: "Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

everyone on MSNBC, even Scarborough, seem to pretty much think Obama won, or at the very least, Romney did terrible. I'm skeptical this debate will be a big game changer, but I do get the feeling a lot of Romney supporters feel a bit deflated in their support.


I'm thinking the "Media Horse Race" meme is becoming way too echo chambery on Fark.

If you're thinking the meme is overblown based on MSNBC's reaction alone... you're doing it wrong.


I think a better criticism of the media is that it's too big of a pussy to call out Romney (and other Republicans) are their bullshiat out of fear of looking like they have a bias. The horse race meme feels like a Freeper-esque conspiracy to try to deflect any kind of criticism of Obama's subpar first debate and to ignore the fact that there's a rather hefty portion of this country that (for largely imaginary problems and/or partisan reasons) really, really hates Obama. Maybe it's because I've always figured this race would be within 3% in a Obama/Romney race, but I'm just not too surprised at the polls.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:43 AM

stoli n coke: FuturePastNow: beta_plus: when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you

I see no evidence that that isn't what he is, though. I have to call it like I see it.

Bullshiat. People actually like Scrooge McDuck, and not just people on his payroll.


Pre- or post- DuckTales Scrooge?
 
2012-10-23 10:56:51 AM
www.mediaite.com
 
2012-10-23 10:57:36 AM
You got to outsource every company
The 401ks are runnin' in the ditch
Beatniks out to make it rich
Oh no, must be the season of the Romney!
 
2012-10-23 10:57:39 AM

HST's Dead Carcass: Unfortunately, the news networks rely on ad revenue just like every other channel you don't outright pay for. Sure, they could make the election a non-issue and just admit Romney's fialing horribly and call the election for Obama, but then what? What do they fill their 24 hours news with?


How about fact-based reporting and intelligent analysis? I don't know, let's bring on Bill Nye and he can talk about the space program or some sh*t?
 
2012-10-23 10:58:02 AM

coeyagi: Milo1974: Under my 10-point must system:
round 1: Romney 10-8 Obama pulled his punches
R2: Obama 10-9 Romney edged out in a close one
R3: Obama 10-7 near TKO early, Romney constantly goes off topic, ready to tag Tagg in for the double team
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson

Yes, weed will solve everything. But let me not interrupt you as look up blood and semen banks on google maps. The weekend is coming soon and you need some hash cash.


Milo1974: Under my 10-point must system...
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson

Yes, weed will solve everything. But let me not interrupt you as look up blood and semen banks on google maps. The weekend is coming soon and you need some hash cash.

I happen to like weed once in a while, so what it dont hurt you, I can afford heroin, coke, alcohol and meth addictions at the same time but I dont do any of that. Arguments about cutting the debt, having a balanced budget, getting out of Afganistan, ending foreign bases trump ending the BS drug war, I'd vote for Johnson even if he was against drugs
 
2012-10-23 10:58:21 AM

Doc Daneeka: I noticed this in the post-debate discussion on TV last night.

"Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

Republican shills: who won the debate? Eh, this debate doesn't really matter. As it turns out, only the first one counted. Voters only care about the economy.

Not a one of them could bring themselves to acknowledge that Obama straight up won the debate. The most they would give him is a grudging victory "on points," whatever the hell that means.

This despite the fact that it was clear from polling that Obama clearly won the debate. In fact, in the CBS snap poll, Obama won this debate by a larger margin than Romney won the first one.

And I was watching CNN last night. Liberal media, my ass.


Yes, the media have an incentive to make this contest look like a horse race, but so do the campaigns. At this point, both candidates know quite well how this thing will turn out - they both have access to the finest polling money can buy. Now, they're thinking downticket. Can the Democrats hold the Senate, maybe make some headway in the House? Conversely, maybe the Republicans can hold the House, even extend their advantage, and perhaps pick up some strength in the Senate. It all depends on turnout, which in turn determines the length of the president's coattails. That's why no one in either campaign will object to the "close race" narrative.
 
2012-10-23 11:02:53 AM

Dr. Whoof: I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?

[blogs.villagevoice.com image 478x451]

No, not at all.



I thought your prior comment mentioning CNN meant you thought it went deeper than Fox.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:25 AM

fluffy2097: Romney "Looks presidential"


Romney didn't look presidential when he was almost in tears and crying that the president was "attacking him" by talking about the stuff Mitt said. Presidential-looking people don't go into a flop sweat.
 
2012-10-23 11:11:41 AM

choo: You got to outsource every company
The 401ks are runnin' in the ditch
Beatniks out to make it rich
Oh no, must be the season of the Romney!


"Season of the Mitt" would scan a little better.....
 
2012-10-23 11:16:30 AM

Milo1974: Arguments about cutting the debt, having a balanced budget


Not that I disagree, but how would Gary Johnson accomplish these?
 
2012-10-23 11:21:43 AM

I_C_Weener: Battleship is inferior to Risk


No one wanted to play Risk with me *hangs head in shame* It was too long of a game. Worse than Monopoly.

To this day I have never played Risk.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:28 AM

raerae1980: I_C_Weener: Battleship is inferior to Risk

No one wanted to play Risk with me *hangs head in shame* It was too long of a game. Worse than Monopoly.

To this day I have never played Risk.


Risk was a finals week tradition when I was in college. We'd have a half dozen games going simultaneously, 24 hours a day, through the entire week.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:31 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: "Season of the Mitt" would scan a little better.....


If he only had a real name, damnit! Something like Mitch
 
2012-10-23 11:28:26 AM

beta_plus: Wow, how do you sit down with all that butt hurt subby?

I guess you went to a unionized public school full of tenured pedo kindergarten teachers since you've never heard the term "Pyrrhic Victory".

/when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you
//don't be so lazy next time and remember to wrap your lies in the truth


No, you're right, Romney is not a retarded Scrooge mcDuck, because I'm pretty sure even scrooge McDuck would be able to figure out that Iran borders the PERSIAN gulf
 
2012-10-23 11:38:50 AM
I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?
 
2012-10-23 11:39:46 AM

Citrate1007: Journalism died a long time ago.


Well, more like the idea that journalists were ever particularly ethical or devoted to getting a real, truthful story is a fiction we picked up from Saturday Morning Cartoons in the 80s, not something that has ever actually occurred in history ever.

April O'Neil: Not actually a real person, dudes. Clark Kent, ditto.
 
2012-10-23 11:43:06 AM

Jim_Callahan: Citrate1007: Journalism died a long time ago.

Well, more like the idea that journalists were ever particularly ethical or devoted to getting a real, truthful story is a fiction we picked up from Saturday Morning Cartoons in the 80s, not something that has ever actually occurred in history ever.

April O'Neil: Not actually a real person, dudes. Clark Kent, ditto.


"You provide the pictures, and I'll provide you a respectable journalist."

/Not the actual quote
 
2012-10-23 11:43:39 AM

balloot: I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?


I'm confident that "razor thin lead" equals about 60 electoral votes. It's not close.
 
MFL
2012-10-23 11:44:40 AM
spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates..

He is the better of the two candidates. Mitt Romney looked like the incumbant president last night and Obama looked like the challenger.

This is because Axelrod has never figured out a strategy on how to run as an incumbant. This is on him. I think Obama was ill served by his own people his entire presidency. They are a bunch of amatures.
 
2012-10-23 11:45:09 AM

balloot: I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?


The "razor thin lead" is based on the "likely voter" metric, which for a given station's polling is something on the order of "whatever number we feel like pulling out of our ass to make things more interesting". If you look at some of the less sensational-media-centric polls (or cheat and just look up Nate Silver's shiat) you'll see that the race tightened a bit, but nowhere near to the extent that CNN et al are shouting to the skies. A Romney victory still depends on five or six swing states that frankly aren't looking all that swingy at the moment suddenly deciding to switch sides.

It'll take a moderately impressive deviation from any realistic set of expectations for Romney to carry this one. He's got more of a chance than he had a few weeks ago, but more of a chance and a good chance are not necessarily the same thing.
 
2012-10-23 11:46:37 AM

balloot: I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?


You sound concerned.
 
2012-10-23 11:47:10 AM

spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter


This. If Obama gets a significant bump from this last debate then maybe we can re-evaluate, but Romney did get like an 8 point bounce from his first debate that has barely settled in the national polls.

Granted, the state polls still demonstrate a rosy picture for Obama, but as far as which candidate was more effective in increasing his ability to win the election as a result of the debates, it was clearly Romney.
 
2012-10-23 11:54:25 AM

MFL: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates..

He is the better of the two candidates. Mitt Romney looked like the incumbant president last night and Obama looked like the challenger.

This is because Axelrod has never figured out a strategy on how to run as an incumbant. This is on him. I think Obama was ill served by his own people his entire presidency. They are a bunch of amatures.


Those amatures [sic] hold a pretty sizable lead still. What does it say that Romney still couldn't get a lead out of the debates?
 
2012-10-23 11:56:27 AM

Citrate1007: Journalism died a long time ago.


It's Joe Freaking Scarborough, you know.

Regular journalism may be alive, but the outlets don't bother to distinguish between straight reporting and partisan opinion-spin pieces anymore.
 
2012-10-23 11:57:33 AM

kronicfeld: Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

Iran and Syria do not share a border, and Syria has a coastline on the Mediterranean. Romney could not have said a stupider thing.


Apparently he's been saying the same thing for quite a while. He also used the line during the primary debates.

What he's trying to say is that Syria, as an ally of Iran, provides Iran with a way to project influence in the Mediterranean.

Of course, it's an utterly stupid way of expressing it and the fact that Romney's been using the same line during the entire campaign season indicates that his advisers are unable to correct him or that he thinks his supporters are idiots and won't notice.
 
2012-10-23 11:57:44 AM

fluffy2097: Bush, because "He was someone I could hang out with."


but I would never hang out with Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-23 11:58:31 AM

vpb: Seems fair to me. Romney brought his campaign back from the dead with that first debate. Obama may have won two of them, but Romney is a viable candidate and he wasn't before.


Maybe; but it seems that in Romney's delight at winning the first debate, he forgot there were two more coming. He wasn't ready for them.
 
2012-10-23 12:03:38 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: he thinks his supporters are idiots and won't notice


He's right.
 
2012-10-23 12:32:53 PM

ManateeGag: fluffy2097: Bush, because "He was someone I could hang out with."

but I would never hang out with Mitt Romney.


And that, sadly, is probably the main reason why he will lose.
 
2012-10-23 12:34:51 PM
Obama won the debates? This place is done.
 
2012-10-23 12:58:56 PM

A Freepers view-

Facebook loaded with comments similar to this : " Obama has "gotten" to Romney and his family...something is very, very wrong. I think Obama has put a hit out on the Romneys. Mitt is not the same man..."

 
MFL
2012-10-23 12:59:08 PM
cameroncrazy1984 Those amatures [sic] hold a pretty sizable lead still. What does it say that Romney still couldn't get a lead out of the debates?

It says you are still kidding yourself.

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Romney is pulling away in Florida, Virginia, Colorado and Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin, are within the margin of error. Hell even Pennsylvania is now in play and most of these polls are still oversampling democrats. The candidates understand this with their internal polling and that's why Romney acted like he was sitting on a lead last night and Obama trying to bait him into a pissing match. If what you said were really true, it would have been the other way around last night.

Romney is steadlily pulling away from the president and he knows it.

/but he's not going to tell you that
 
2012-10-23 01:02:56 PM
DRTFA

The first debate is the one that matters. First impressions. Romney promptly erased months of Obama attack ads and stomped Obama in the first debate. The only time Romney was really aggressive. I know many said Obama didn't show up. Obama did show up and he got a beatdown.

Romney just needed to stay even and get a draw in the last two debates. Just as long as Obama got no knockout (like Romney got in the first debate) and Romney didn't say anything stupid for an instant Obama ad soundbite and media over-analyzing.

Ryan was told to lay back and let Biden put on a show. This is what Romney did to Obama last night. It worked.

The first debate helped Romney build momentum and Romney has maintained the momentum. Romney wins the debate season.

This is a mystery?
 
2012-10-23 01:14:38 PM

MFL: Romney is steadlily pulling away from the president and he knows it.


LOL

fivethirtyeight.com does much better analysis than you and it says the exact opposite of what you say. Who am I going to believe, the most accurate predictor from 2008 or a baldfaced partican liar?

Cherry picking polls does not analysis make.
 
2012-10-23 01:15:39 PM

barneyfifesbullet: Ryan was told to lay back and let Biden put on a show. This is what Romney did to Obama last night. It worked.


If it worked then why do exactly zero polls say that it was even close? Every poll I've seen shows it about a 20 point drubbing by Obama, except the CNN poll which shows only an 8 point drubbing.
 
2012-10-23 01:18:46 PM

beta_plus: Wow, how do you sit down with all that butt hurt subby?

I guess you went to a unionized public school full of tenured pedo kindergarten teachers since you've never heard the term "Pyrrhic Victory".

/when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you
//don't be so lazy next time and remember to wrap your lies in the truth


Feel better? That was a big one! Do your pants fit better afterward?

/remember to wash your hands
 
2012-10-23 01:25:39 PM
I just looked at the Colorado polls, and apparently "pulling away" to him means that Obama is still up in every poll.

Pulling away in Wisconsin means that Obama has an 82% chance of winning the state, according to Nate Silver

Pulling away in Virginia also means that Obama is leading in every poll there. Did you even look at the state-by-state polling when you said that? Jeez, if you're going to make a claim, at least make sure it's not easily debunked by going to fivethirtyeight.com and checkin the state polls.
 
2012-10-23 02:50:20 PM

DeaH: Romney didn't look presidential when he was almost in tears and crying that the president was "attacking him" by talking about the stuff Mitt said. Presidential-looking people don't go into a flop sweat.


Oh, I'm sorry. I meant "He's not a N*gg*r" by saying "he's presidential"

/clear everything up for you?
//seriously not trolling
///People have bumper stickers saying "Vote right, vote white."
 
2012-10-23 03:20:28 PM
It's funny that people disappear as soon as you mention actual polling.
 
2012-10-23 03:44:47 PM
The media's horserace narrative is about as obsolete as cavalry.
 
2012-10-23 05:09:19 PM
Media: Lessee here, Obama clearly won the last two debates by a wide margin, but that hurts our "horse race/close election" storyline...

Done in one the headline
 
2012-10-23 05:30:46 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Unfortunately, the news networks rely on ad revenue just like every other channel you don't outright pay for. Sure, they could make the election a non-issue and just admit Romney's fialing horribly and call the election for Obama, but then what? What do they fill their 24 hours news with? There's not enough pretty white girls being abducted lately, and the whole teacher sleeping with students has already reached it's apex and is on the downslide with it occurring more and more. They NEED that ad revenue.

So, they come up with new twists to make it seem more compelling than it is, literally making up the news. Then, there's Wolf Blitzer /facepalm.


They could easily fill that time detailing exactly how wrong Romney is. That should keep them in material for a couple election cycles.
 
2012-10-23 05:42:03 PM

I_C_Weener: Dr. Whoof: I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?

[blogs.villagevoice.com image 478x451]

No, not at all.


I thought your prior comment mentioning CNN meant you thought it went deeper than Fox.


It doesn't go deeper than Fox, it goes shallower. /predictable joke

CNN leans right-wing, not because they are run by true-believers or part of a secret conpiracy but because they think they have to. As the republicans "Work the refs," as conservatives sit and enjoy their daily affirmations, as every media source is reminded profits are more important than truth the bias of profit and obedience and conservative malaise and cheap-but-easy scares every major news source is dragged down and to the right. Down and to the right.
 
2012-10-23 05:53:38 PM

TheBigJerk: I_C_Weener: Dr. Whoof: I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?

[blogs.villagevoice.com image 478x451]

No, not at all.


I thought your prior comment mentioning CNN meant you thought it went deeper than Fox.

It doesn't go deeper than Fox, it goes shallower. /predictable joke

CNN leans right-wing, not because they are run by true-believers or part of a secret conpiracy but because they think they have to. As the republicans "Work the refs," as conservatives sit and enjoy their daily affirmations, as every media source is reminded profits are more important than truth the bias of profit and obedience and conservative malaise and cheap-but-easy scares every major news source is dragged down and to the right. Down and to the right.


CNN doesn't have a political bias, they have a sensationalism bias, but more importantly a bizarre obsession with not editorializing or challenging people. They try to be "fair" by having an equal number of vested partisans on each side on an issue come on and talk. They don't challenge either side's assertions, which makes it easier for the dishonest side to win, and Republicans are better at punditry anyway. They also have no interest in showing either side as wrong because that would make things too simple and they wouldn't be able to fill time with the endless nit-picking. And I think they're so scared of being accused of bias like Fox or MSNBC that they try to be completely balanced even when things are unbalanced.
 
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