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(Politico)   Media: Lessee here, Obama clearly won the last two debates by a wide margin, but that hurts our "horse race/close election" storyline, what to do? Got it. Let's admit Obama won 2 out of 3 debates but say Romney won "the debate season"   (politico.com) divider line 134
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2012-10-23 11:21:43 AM  

I_C_Weener: Battleship is inferior to Risk


No one wanted to play Risk with me *hangs head in shame* It was too long of a game. Worse than Monopoly.

To this day I have never played Risk.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:28 AM  

raerae1980: I_C_Weener: Battleship is inferior to Risk

No one wanted to play Risk with me *hangs head in shame* It was too long of a game. Worse than Monopoly.

To this day I have never played Risk.


Risk was a finals week tradition when I was in college. We'd have a half dozen games going simultaneously, 24 hours a day, through the entire week.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:31 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: "Season of the Mitt" would scan a little better.....


If he only had a real name, damnit! Something like Mitch
 
2012-10-23 11:28:26 AM  

beta_plus: Wow, how do you sit down with all that butt hurt subby?

I guess you went to a unionized public school full of tenured pedo kindergarten teachers since you've never heard the term "Pyrrhic Victory".

/when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you
//don't be so lazy next time and remember to wrap your lies in the truth


No, you're right, Romney is not a retarded Scrooge mcDuck, because I'm pretty sure even scrooge McDuck would be able to figure out that Iran borders the PERSIAN gulf
 
2012-10-23 11:38:50 AM  
I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?
 
2012-10-23 11:39:46 AM  

Citrate1007: Journalism died a long time ago.


Well, more like the idea that journalists were ever particularly ethical or devoted to getting a real, truthful story is a fiction we picked up from Saturday Morning Cartoons in the 80s, not something that has ever actually occurred in history ever.

April O'Neil: Not actually a real person, dudes. Clark Kent, ditto.
 
2012-10-23 11:43:06 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Citrate1007: Journalism died a long time ago.

Well, more like the idea that journalists were ever particularly ethical or devoted to getting a real, truthful story is a fiction we picked up from Saturday Morning Cartoons in the 80s, not something that has ever actually occurred in history ever.

April O'Neil: Not actually a real person, dudes. Clark Kent, ditto.


"You provide the pictures, and I'll provide you a respectable journalist."

/Not the actual quote
 
2012-10-23 11:43:39 AM  

balloot: I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?


I'm confident that "razor thin lead" equals about 60 electoral votes. It's not close.
 
MFL
2012-10-23 11:44:40 AM  
spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates..

He is the better of the two candidates. Mitt Romney looked like the incumbant president last night and Obama looked like the challenger.

This is because Axelrod has never figured out a strategy on how to run as an incumbant. This is on him. I think Obama was ill served by his own people his entire presidency. They are a bunch of amatures.
 
2012-10-23 11:45:09 AM  

balloot: I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?


The "razor thin lead" is based on the "likely voter" metric, which for a given station's polling is something on the order of "whatever number we feel like pulling out of our ass to make things more interesting". If you look at some of the less sensational-media-centric polls (or cheat and just look up Nate Silver's shiat) you'll see that the race tightened a bit, but nowhere near to the extent that CNN et al are shouting to the skies. A Romney victory still depends on five or six swing states that frankly aren't looking all that swingy at the moment suddenly deciding to switch sides.

It'll take a moderately impressive deviation from any realistic set of expectations for Romney to carry this one. He's got more of a chance than he had a few weeks ago, but more of a chance and a good chance are not necessarily the same thing.
 
2012-10-23 11:46:37 AM  

balloot: I vote across the board for Democrats and I think it is unassailably true that Romney won the debates. Obama came into the first debate on track for 350ish EVs in a solid victory, and after the third debate is barely holding a razor thin lead. How could you reasonably argue that Mitt *didn't* win this part of the cycle?


You sound concerned.
 
2012-10-23 11:47:10 AM  

spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter


This. If Obama gets a significant bump from this last debate then maybe we can re-evaluate, but Romney did get like an 8 point bounce from his first debate that has barely settled in the national polls.

Granted, the state polls still demonstrate a rosy picture for Obama, but as far as which candidate was more effective in increasing his ability to win the election as a result of the debates, it was clearly Romney.
 
2012-10-23 11:54:25 AM  

MFL: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates..

He is the better of the two candidates. Mitt Romney looked like the incumbant president last night and Obama looked like the challenger.

This is because Axelrod has never figured out a strategy on how to run as an incumbant. This is on him. I think Obama was ill served by his own people his entire presidency. They are a bunch of amatures.


Those amatures [sic] hold a pretty sizable lead still. What does it say that Romney still couldn't get a lead out of the debates?
 
2012-10-23 11:56:27 AM  

Citrate1007: Journalism died a long time ago.


It's Joe Freaking Scarborough, you know.

Regular journalism may be alive, but the outlets don't bother to distinguish between straight reporting and partisan opinion-spin pieces anymore.
 
2012-10-23 11:57:33 AM  

kronicfeld: Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

Iran and Syria do not share a border, and Syria has a coastline on the Mediterranean. Romney could not have said a stupider thing.


Apparently he's been saying the same thing for quite a while. He also used the line during the primary debates.

What he's trying to say is that Syria, as an ally of Iran, provides Iran with a way to project influence in the Mediterranean.

Of course, it's an utterly stupid way of expressing it and the fact that Romney's been using the same line during the entire campaign season indicates that his advisers are unable to correct him or that he thinks his supporters are idiots and won't notice.
 
2012-10-23 11:57:44 AM  

fluffy2097: Bush, because "He was someone I could hang out with."


but I would never hang out with Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-23 11:58:31 AM  

vpb: Seems fair to me. Romney brought his campaign back from the dead with that first debate. Obama may have won two of them, but Romney is a viable candidate and he wasn't before.


Maybe; but it seems that in Romney's delight at winning the first debate, he forgot there were two more coming. He wasn't ready for them.
 
2012-10-23 12:03:38 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: he thinks his supporters are idiots and won't notice


He's right.
 
2012-10-23 12:32:53 PM  

ManateeGag: fluffy2097: Bush, because "He was someone I could hang out with."

but I would never hang out with Mitt Romney.


And that, sadly, is probably the main reason why he will lose.
 
2012-10-23 12:34:51 PM  
Obama won the debates? This place is done.
 
2012-10-23 12:58:56 PM  

A Freepers view-

Facebook loaded with comments similar to this : " Obama has "gotten" to Romney and his family...something is very, very wrong. I think Obama has put a hit out on the Romneys. Mitt is not the same man..."

 
MFL
2012-10-23 12:59:08 PM  
cameroncrazy1984 Those amatures [sic] hold a pretty sizable lead still. What does it say that Romney still couldn't get a lead out of the debates?

It says you are still kidding yourself.

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Romney is pulling away in Florida, Virginia, Colorado and Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin, are within the margin of error. Hell even Pennsylvania is now in play and most of these polls are still oversampling democrats. The candidates understand this with their internal polling and that's why Romney acted like he was sitting on a lead last night and Obama trying to bait him into a pissing match. If what you said were really true, it would have been the other way around last night.

Romney is steadlily pulling away from the president and he knows it.

/but he's not going to tell you that
 
2012-10-23 01:02:56 PM  
DRTFA

The first debate is the one that matters. First impressions. Romney promptly erased months of Obama attack ads and stomped Obama in the first debate. The only time Romney was really aggressive. I know many said Obama didn't show up. Obama did show up and he got a beatdown.

Romney just needed to stay even and get a draw in the last two debates. Just as long as Obama got no knockout (like Romney got in the first debate) and Romney didn't say anything stupid for an instant Obama ad soundbite and media over-analyzing.

Ryan was told to lay back and let Biden put on a show. This is what Romney did to Obama last night. It worked.

The first debate helped Romney build momentum and Romney has maintained the momentum. Romney wins the debate season.

This is a mystery?
 
2012-10-23 01:14:38 PM  

MFL: Romney is steadlily pulling away from the president and he knows it.


LOL

fivethirtyeight.com does much better analysis than you and it says the exact opposite of what you say. Who am I going to believe, the most accurate predictor from 2008 or a baldfaced partican liar?

Cherry picking polls does not analysis make.
 
2012-10-23 01:15:39 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Ryan was told to lay back and let Biden put on a show. This is what Romney did to Obama last night. It worked.


If it worked then why do exactly zero polls say that it was even close? Every poll I've seen shows it about a 20 point drubbing by Obama, except the CNN poll which shows only an 8 point drubbing.
 
2012-10-23 01:18:46 PM  

beta_plus: Wow, how do you sit down with all that butt hurt subby?

I guess you went to a unionized public school full of tenured pedo kindergarten teachers since you've never heard the term "Pyrrhic Victory".

/when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you
//don't be so lazy next time and remember to wrap your lies in the truth


Feel better? That was a big one! Do your pants fit better afterward?

/remember to wash your hands
 
2012-10-23 01:25:39 PM  
I just looked at the Colorado polls, and apparently "pulling away" to him means that Obama is still up in every poll.

Pulling away in Wisconsin means that Obama has an 82% chance of winning the state, according to Nate Silver

Pulling away in Virginia also means that Obama is leading in every poll there. Did you even look at the state-by-state polling when you said that? Jeez, if you're going to make a claim, at least make sure it's not easily debunked by going to fivethirtyeight.com and checkin the state polls.
 
2012-10-23 02:50:20 PM  

DeaH: Romney didn't look presidential when he was almost in tears and crying that the president was "attacking him" by talking about the stuff Mitt said. Presidential-looking people don't go into a flop sweat.


Oh, I'm sorry. I meant "He's not a N*gg*r" by saying "he's presidential"

/clear everything up for you?
//seriously not trolling
///People have bumper stickers saying "Vote right, vote white."
 
2012-10-23 03:20:28 PM  
It's funny that people disappear as soon as you mention actual polling.
 
2012-10-23 03:44:47 PM  
The media's horserace narrative is about as obsolete as cavalry.
 
2012-10-23 05:09:19 PM  
Media: Lessee here, Obama clearly won the last two debates by a wide margin, but that hurts our "horse race/close election" storyline...

Done in one the headline
 
2012-10-23 05:30:46 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Unfortunately, the news networks rely on ad revenue just like every other channel you don't outright pay for. Sure, they could make the election a non-issue and just admit Romney's fialing horribly and call the election for Obama, but then what? What do they fill their 24 hours news with? There's not enough pretty white girls being abducted lately, and the whole teacher sleeping with students has already reached it's apex and is on the downslide with it occurring more and more. They NEED that ad revenue.

So, they come up with new twists to make it seem more compelling than it is, literally making up the news. Then, there's Wolf Blitzer /facepalm.


They could easily fill that time detailing exactly how wrong Romney is. That should keep them in material for a couple election cycles.
 
2012-10-23 05:42:03 PM  

I_C_Weener: Dr. Whoof: I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?

[blogs.villagevoice.com image 478x451]

No, not at all.


I thought your prior comment mentioning CNN meant you thought it went deeper than Fox.


It doesn't go deeper than Fox, it goes shallower. /predictable joke

CNN leans right-wing, not because they are run by true-believers or part of a secret conpiracy but because they think they have to. As the republicans "Work the refs," as conservatives sit and enjoy their daily affirmations, as every media source is reminded profits are more important than truth the bias of profit and obedience and conservative malaise and cheap-but-easy scares every major news source is dragged down and to the right. Down and to the right.
 
2012-10-23 05:53:38 PM  

TheBigJerk: I_C_Weener: Dr. Whoof: I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?

[blogs.villagevoice.com image 478x451]

No, not at all.


I thought your prior comment mentioning CNN meant you thought it went deeper than Fox.

It doesn't go deeper than Fox, it goes shallower. /predictable joke

CNN leans right-wing, not because they are run by true-believers or part of a secret conpiracy but because they think they have to. As the republicans "Work the refs," as conservatives sit and enjoy their daily affirmations, as every media source is reminded profits are more important than truth the bias of profit and obedience and conservative malaise and cheap-but-easy scares every major news source is dragged down and to the right. Down and to the right.


CNN doesn't have a political bias, they have a sensationalism bias, but more importantly a bizarre obsession with not editorializing or challenging people. They try to be "fair" by having an equal number of vested partisans on each side on an issue come on and talk. They don't challenge either side's assertions, which makes it easier for the dishonest side to win, and Republicans are better at punditry anyway. They also have no interest in showing either side as wrong because that would make things too simple and they wouldn't be able to fill time with the endless nit-picking. And I think they're so scared of being accused of bias like Fox or MSNBC that they try to be completely balanced even when things are unbalanced.
 
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