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(Politico)   Media: Lessee here, Obama clearly won the last two debates by a wide margin, but that hurts our "horse race/close election" storyline, what to do? Got it. Let's admit Obama won 2 out of 3 debates but say Romney won "the debate season"   (politico.com) divider line 134
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2012-10-23 10:32:33 AM

kronicfeld: Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

Iran and Syria do not share a border, and Syria has a coastline on the Mediterranean. Romney could not have said a stupider thing.


And had Obama said that, you'd be hearing how wrong he was from every news outlet, including the "liberal media".

But because reporting on Romney being an idiot might make this less of a "tight race", they won't.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:00 AM

Dr. Whoof: Zoophagous: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This.

/Also an Obama voter

But how much of that is the media making this a horse race? They blew up when Romney won the first debate. They turned it into much more than it was, making it sound like a blow out when it really wasn't. Romney didn't win that one with the margin Obama won this one, but the media made it into a major victory. What do they say about this one? CNN's headline: Obama wins debate, but does it matter? Yeah, that's creating a narrative right there. That's assuming the answer in the question. In fact, that's literally "begging the question".

The race is close because it's profitable for it to be close.



Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?  Muwhahahahahaa!!!
 
2012-10-23 10:33:22 AM
So if it's a horse race, and Obama has both a horse and a bayonet, is it still a fair fight?
 
2012-10-23 10:33:41 AM

Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:43 AM
Once Obama DOES win, I don't know who I want to go out and beat up one by one; the Teabaggers or the media jackwads who keep trying to push this "close race" horsesh*t.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:46 AM

I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?


blogs.villagevoice.com

No, not at all.
 
2012-10-23 10:33:51 AM

beta_plus: when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you


I see no evidence that that isn't what he is, though. I have to call it like I see it.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:03 AM
Obama is an obvious liberal plant, so Subby's headline is a non-story.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:06 AM
Under my 10-point must system:
round 1: Romney 10-8 Obama pulled his punches
R2: Obama 10-9 Romney edged out in a close one
R3: Obama 10-7 near TKO early, Romney constantly goes off topic, ready to tag Tagg in for the double team
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson
 
2012-10-23 10:34:19 AM

coeyagi: The obvious course of action for Team Obama is to gloat gloat gloat and wait for someone on Fox News to drop the N bomb.


Even the Fox guys were laughing (at Romney) when they played the clip of "horses and bayonets". Good times.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:57 AM
If you say, during a debate, that you love cars, but forget that you wrote an article called "Let Detroit go bankrupt", you might have Romnesia.
 
2012-10-23 10:35:02 AM
The bottom line is the media have spent this election creating self-fulfilling narratives.

Everyone knew Romney performed better in the first debate, and the media screamed, "THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!!!" and it became so.

Now, everyone knows Obama wiped the floor with Romney, and the media screams, "TOO LATE! THIS ONE ISN'T IMPORTANT!" And so it will be so.
 
2012-10-23 10:35:41 AM

fluffy2097:
Romney is winning because he is white, and "looks presidential"


This was mentioned this morning @ work. My response, "I think he'd play a great President on tv".
 
2012-10-23 10:35:49 AM
Well Willard can use that to assuage his grief when he loses the Election Season in a couple weeks.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:05 AM

Thrakkerzog: Like he loves Big Bird. ;-)


Okay, I can take requests. :)

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-23 10:36:17 AM

I_C_Weener: Dr. Whoof: Zoophagous: spelletrader: Considering that Romney was dead in the water before the first debate, I'd say he did come out the other side the better off of the two candidates.

/Obama voter

This.

/Also an Obama voter

But how much of that is the media making this a horse race? They blew up when Romney won the first debate. They turned it into much more than it was, making it sound like a blow out when it really wasn't. Romney didn't win that one with the margin Obama won this one, but the media made it into a major victory. What do they say about this one? CNN's headline: Obama wins debate, but does it matter? Yeah, that's creating a narrative right there. That's assuming the answer in the question. In fact, that's literally "begging the question".

The race is close because it's profitable for it to be close.


Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?  Muwhahahahahaa!!!


I think it's more of an ad sales-based conspiracy.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:30 AM
Unfortunately, the news networks rely on ad revenue just like every other channel you don't outright pay for. Sure, they could make the election a non-issue and just admit Romney's fialing horribly and call the election for Obama, but then what? What do they fill their 24 hours news with? There's not enough pretty white girls being abducted lately, and the whole teacher sleeping with students has already reached it's apex and is on the downslide with it occurring more and more. They NEED that ad revenue.

So, they come up with new twists to make it seem more compelling than it is, literally making up the news. Then, there's Wolf Blitzer /facepalm.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:37 AM

stoli n coke: Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.


Iraq has a coastline too though, only like 60 miles but still...Maybe he was talking about Jordan that's actually landlocked iirc.
 
2012-10-23 10:36:59 AM

raerae1980: bwilson27: This must be the thread where the trolls and shills come out to spew their talking points.

I think this should be repeated. Clearly, they did not watch the same debate that I did.


/Battleship rules!!



Battleship is inferior to Risk.  And dammit, Schieffer didn't ask one question about Kamchatka!!!
 
2012-10-23 10:37:07 AM

Milo1974: Under my 10-point must system:
round 1: Romney 10-8 Obama pulled his punches
R2: Obama 10-9 Romney edged out in a close one
R3: Obama 10-7 near TKO early, Romney constantly goes off topic, ready to tag Tagg in for the double team
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson


Yes, weed will solve everything. But let me not interrupt you as look up blood and semen banks on google maps. The weekend is coming soon and you need some hash cash.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:09 AM

I_C_Weener: Cletus C.: Last night's debate was boring. The only way to win that game was not to play.


S, "Tell us about your strategy for Iran?"
 
R, "Well, first I wan tto say something about teachers and cars here in the USA."
 
S, "And you Mr. Obama?"
 
O, "We don't use horses or bayonettes anymore and we have these boats that go underwater."
 
S, "Thank you both.  You could have been so useful.  But you gave us so much more."


So vote Republican. Or, vote for the Republican that got his ass handed to him in the primary and now calls himself a Libertarian.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:28 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I think it's more of an ad sales-based conspiracy.


It's like people forget media conglomerates are businesses operating in a capitalist system and therefore want to generate profit.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:52 AM

I_C_Weener: raerae1980: bwilson27: This must be the thread where the trolls and shills come out to spew their talking points.

I think this should be repeated. Clearly, they did not watch the same debate that I did.


/Battleship rules!!


Battleship is inferior to Risk.  And dammit, Schieffer didn't ask one question about Kamchatka!!!


They are all inferior to Settlers of Cataan.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:06 AM
I guess if you want to split hairs, Romney would win the "season" (whatever the hell that was) because he went from a 10% chance of winning to a 25% chance of winning.

/damn, he's on fire
 
2012-10-23 10:38:34 AM
Nevermind.. upon looking at an actual map Jordan has a coastline on the Gulf of Aqaba
 
2012-10-23 10:39:14 AM
I noticed this in the post-debate discussion on TV last night.

"Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

Republican shills: who won the debate? Eh, this debate doesn't really matter. As it turns out, only the first one counted. Voters only care about the economy.

Not a one of them could bring themselves to acknowledge that Obama straight up won the debate. The most they would give him is a grudging victory "on points," whatever the hell that means.

This despite the fact that it was clear from polling that Obama clearly won the debate. In fact, in the CBS snap poll, Obama won this debate by a larger margin than Romney won the first one.

And I was watching CNN last night. Liberal media, my ass.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:21 AM

Headso: stoli n coke: Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.

Iraq has a coastline too though, only like 60 miles but still...Maybe he was talking about Jordan that's actually landlocked iirc.


Jordan has a one town coastline on the Red Sea, stuck between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:10 AM
The fate of the election is now in the hands of the ineptitude of certain campaign surrogates to do something absolutely retarded. Your move, Saul.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:25 AM

FuturePastNow: beta_plus: when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you

I see no evidence that that isn't what he is, though. I have to call it like I see it.


Bullshiat. People actually like Scrooge McDuck, and not just people on his payroll.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:47 AM

Headso: yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline


Not only that, you know what it doesn't have? A border with Syria.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:11 AM

beta_plus: /when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you


I see Rmoney as a caricature of a grown up spoiled rotten brat, a bully, a corporate predator, and someone who gets easily frustrated when anyone dares to say "no" to him because he thinks he's better than everyone else.

And that view has been very well confirmed in these debates.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:33 AM
By JOE SCARBOROUGH

And we're done here.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:11 AM

Doc Daneeka: I noticed this in the post-debate discussion on TV last night.

"Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

Republican shills: who won the debate? Eh, this debate doesn't really matter. As it turns out, only the first one counted. Voters only care about the economy.

Not a one of them could bring themselves to acknowledge that Obama straight up won the debate. The most they would give him is a grudging victory "on points," whatever the hell that means.

This despite the fact that it was clear from polling that Obama clearly won the debate. In fact, in the CBS snap poll, Obama won this debate by a larger margin than Romney won the first one.

And I was watching CNN last night. Liberal media, my ass.


I still have frothing mongoloid co-workers calling CNN the Communist News Network. This is why we can't even have a real debate in this country - when middle of the road (and hell, occasionally right-leaning) outlets are being called far left.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:16 AM

stoli n coke: Headso: Ring of Fire: How come no one seems to be talking about the fact that Mitt Romney does not appear to know where Iran is on a map.

yeah wtf was that "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."... Iran has a huge coastline

He confused Iraq and Iran. Which, given that his foreign policy guys worked for Shrub, is kind of understandable.


I would've liked to hear Romney pontificate on the significance of the Shia-Sunni schism in Syria. I'm sure Condoleeza Rice's advice has provided him with a wealth of cold war expertise.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:30 AM

Doc Daneeka: "Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.


everyone on MSNBC, even Scarborough, seem to pretty much think Obama won, or at the very least, Romney did terrible. I'm skeptical this debate will be a big game changer, but I do get the feeling a lot of Romney supporters feel a bit deflated in their support.


I'm thinking the "Media Horse Race" meme is becoming way too echo chambery on Fark.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:35 AM

FeedTheCollapse: Doc Daneeka: "Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

everyone on MSNBC, even Scarborough, seem to pretty much think Obama won, or at the very least, Romney did terrible. I'm skeptical this debate will be a big game changer, but I do get the feeling a lot of Romney supporters feel a bit deflated in their support.


I'm thinking the "Media Horse Race" meme is becoming way too echo chambery on Fark.


If you're thinking the meme is overblown based on MSNBC's reaction alone... you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:46 AM

chrisco123: It was pretty clear that Romney came across as the more conservative and intelligent of the two. Obama just acted like a bully.

I say Romney wins the election.


pictat.com
 
2012-10-23 10:52:12 AM
You know what really helps their close race narrative? The fact it is a close race.
 
2012-10-23 10:54:51 AM

js34603: You know what really helps their close race narrative? The fact it is a close race.


It is a close race, but that's not what the media narrative has been. They've been saying it's a tie, a dead-heat. It's not. Obama has a clear electoral college lead. Romney has a chance. But he is obviously playing from behind.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:36 AM

coeyagi: FeedTheCollapse: Doc Daneeka: "Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

everyone on MSNBC, even Scarborough, seem to pretty much think Obama won, or at the very least, Romney did terrible. I'm skeptical this debate will be a big game changer, but I do get the feeling a lot of Romney supporters feel a bit deflated in their support.


I'm thinking the "Media Horse Race" meme is becoming way too echo chambery on Fark.

If you're thinking the meme is overblown based on MSNBC's reaction alone... you're doing it wrong.


I think a better criticism of the media is that it's too big of a pussy to call out Romney (and other Republicans) are their bullshiat out of fear of looking like they have a bias. The horse race meme feels like a Freeper-esque conspiracy to try to deflect any kind of criticism of Obama's subpar first debate and to ignore the fact that there's a rather hefty portion of this country that (for largely imaginary problems and/or partisan reasons) really, really hates Obama. Maybe it's because I've always figured this race would be within 3% in a Obama/Romney race, but I'm just not too surprised at the polls.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:43 AM

stoli n coke: FuturePastNow: beta_plus: when you pay millions to paint Romney as a caricature of a retarded and drooling Scrooge McDuck and that's not what he is at all, it tends to hurt you

I see no evidence that that isn't what he is, though. I have to call it like I see it.

Bullshiat. People actually like Scrooge McDuck, and not just people on his payroll.


Pre- or post- DuckTales Scrooge?
 
2012-10-23 10:56:51 AM
www.mediaite.com
 
2012-10-23 10:57:36 AM
You got to outsource every company
The 401ks are runnin' in the ditch
Beatniks out to make it rich
Oh no, must be the season of the Romney!
 
2012-10-23 10:57:39 AM

HST's Dead Carcass: Unfortunately, the news networks rely on ad revenue just like every other channel you don't outright pay for. Sure, they could make the election a non-issue and just admit Romney's fialing horribly and call the election for Obama, but then what? What do they fill their 24 hours news with?


How about fact-based reporting and intelligent analysis? I don't know, let's bring on Bill Nye and he can talk about the space program or some sh*t?
 
2012-10-23 10:58:02 AM

coeyagi: Milo1974: Under my 10-point must system:
round 1: Romney 10-8 Obama pulled his punches
R2: Obama 10-9 Romney edged out in a close one
R3: Obama 10-7 near TKO early, Romney constantly goes off topic, ready to tag Tagg in for the double team
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson

Yes, weed will solve everything. But let me not interrupt you as look up blood and semen banks on google maps. The weekend is coming soon and you need some hash cash.


Milo1974: Under my 10-point must system...
/if this is the best the two major parties can come up with our country is (still) lost -voting for Gary Johnson

Yes, weed will solve everything. But let me not interrupt you as look up blood and semen banks on google maps. The weekend is coming soon and you need some hash cash.

I happen to like weed once in a while, so what it dont hurt you, I can afford heroin, coke, alcohol and meth addictions at the same time but I dont do any of that. Arguments about cutting the debt, having a balanced budget, getting out of Afganistan, ending foreign bases trump ending the BS drug war, I'd vote for Johnson even if he was against drugs
 
2012-10-23 10:58:21 AM

Doc Daneeka: I noticed this in the post-debate discussion on TV last night.

"Liberal" pundits: well, Obama may have "won on points," but it remains to be seen whether he can stop the Mittmentum.

Republican shills: who won the debate? Eh, this debate doesn't really matter. As it turns out, only the first one counted. Voters only care about the economy.

Not a one of them could bring themselves to acknowledge that Obama straight up won the debate. The most they would give him is a grudging victory "on points," whatever the hell that means.

This despite the fact that it was clear from polling that Obama clearly won the debate. In fact, in the CBS snap poll, Obama won this debate by a larger margin than Romney won the first one.

And I was watching CNN last night. Liberal media, my ass.


Yes, the media have an incentive to make this contest look like a horse race, but so do the campaigns. At this point, both candidates know quite well how this thing will turn out - they both have access to the finest polling money can buy. Now, they're thinking downticket. Can the Democrats hold the Senate, maybe make some headway in the House? Conversely, maybe the Republicans can hold the House, even extend their advantage, and perhaps pick up some strength in the Senate. It all depends on turnout, which in turn determines the length of the president's coattails. That's why no one in either campaign will object to the "close race" narrative.
 
2012-10-23 11:02:53 AM

Dr. Whoof: I_C_Weener: Sooo, you are saying...that there is a vast right wing media conspiracy?

[blogs.villagevoice.com image 478x451]

No, not at all.



I thought your prior comment mentioning CNN meant you thought it went deeper than Fox.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:25 AM

fluffy2097: Romney "Looks presidential"


Romney didn't look presidential when he was almost in tears and crying that the president was "attacking him" by talking about the stuff Mitt said. Presidential-looking people don't go into a flop sweat.
 
2012-10-23 11:11:41 AM

choo: You got to outsource every company
The 401ks are runnin' in the ditch
Beatniks out to make it rich
Oh no, must be the season of the Romney!


"Season of the Mitt" would scan a little better.....
 
2012-10-23 11:16:30 AM

Milo1974: Arguments about cutting the debt, having a balanced budget


Not that I disagree, but how would Gary Johnson accomplish these?
 
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