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(The Hill)   Paul Ryan hits back at Obama's "horses and bayonets" quip: "The ocean hasn't shrunk." ZING   (thehill.com) divider line 295
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2012-10-23 10:50:23 AM

Wellon Dowd: How does the firepower of a Ticonderoga-class cruiser compare with an Iowa-class battleship before the latter were upgraded?


Negligible. It outranges the Iowas by quite a bit, but has about 10% of the armor. If the Iowa ever got in range, one or two salvos would be all she wrote for the Ticonderoga.

But it's a moot point. Both are prime targets for submarines, and would never operate outside of a task force, which in turn would never operate without air cover. It's so inter-linked that there's just no role for the battlewagons anymore - the sheer range of missiles and carrier air wings has made the naval gun obsolete.Heck, even Reagan knew that - they were refitted for their shore bombardment capabilities and to draw missiles from the carriers, not for their ability to be meaningful fleet force components. Think of them as especially tough decoys, with some littoral utility.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:29 AM

trivial use of my dark powers: what_now: Keep running with this, boys. We need more boats. It doesn't matter what kind, it's the numbers that matter.

I have a canoe I'm not using. I'll duct-tape a shotgun to it and sell it to the navy for $1.5 million. It's a bargain--call me, Mittens!


I can steal my neighbor's kayaks and we'll invade the coast line that Syria and Iran share.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:32 AM
To compare modern American battleships and Navy with bayonets, I just don't understand that comparison.

- Paul Ryan, policy genius and the intellectual leader of conservatism.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:35 AM
Well obviously there have been no significant advances in naval technology in the last 100 years, so Paul Ryan is totally correct.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:50 AM

PanicMan: "Iran is four years closer to a nuclear weapon."

It's also 4 years closer to the election of it's first gay female robot emperor with a cooking show.


When did Oprah get a cooking show?
 
2012-10-23 10:50:53 AM

PanicMan: "Iran is four years closer to a nuclear weapon."

It's also 4 years closer to the election of it's first gay female robot emperor with a cooking show.


I would watch the shiat out of that cooking show.
 
2012-10-23 10:51:04 AM
The Mitt Romney Administration: The Charge of the Light Dressage Brigade!
 
2012-10-23 10:52:29 AM
Mr. Obama, this dreadnought gap is unacceptable!
 
2012-10-23 10:52:41 AM

Deneb81: I'm pretty sure the ground hasn't shrunk much either...


But it has, see global warming and coastal erosion. That means the ocean is bigger, and we need a bigger navy to rule it.
 
2012-10-23 10:52:56 AM
My image of Romney & Ryan:

www.collegefashion.net
 
2012-10-23 10:53:04 AM

Arkanaut: Wellon Dowd: How does the firepower of a Ticonderoga-class cruiser compare with an Iowa-class battleship before the latter were upgraded?

We didn't even have the Iowa-classes back in WWI.

/nor did we have any real aircraft carriers, or radar, or GPS...


Good point. How does a Ticonderoga compare to a Nevada-class battlewagon?
 
2012-10-23 10:53:08 AM
He said what?

Drink!

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2012-10-23 10:53:13 AM
Paul Ryan is right! The ocean hasn't shrunk.

Under Republican administrations, who refused to sign the Kyoto Accords and who denied the existence of global warming, THE OCEAN HAS ACTUALLY EXPANDED!!1! WHAR IZ NEW NAVY SHIPS???

/I never considered the idea that global warming could help the military industrial complex pay out higher cash dividends
 
2012-10-23 10:53:13 AM

JerseyTim: Do you think he went back to his advisers after that line and said, "Nailed it!"


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2012-10-23 10:53:17 AM

tonguedepressor: I love that game box image. Keep washing those dishes girls til sammich time!


Another reason it's good for Romney and Ryan: it illustrates their understanding of naval strategy AND their understanding of women's rights!
 
2012-10-23 10:53:37 AM
So the size of the ocean has remained stable, while obviously our navy can do a lot more things now than they could almost a century ago.

How exactly is this supposed to counter Obama's point our improved technology allows us to do more with less? Also keep in mind that our military opponents in WW1 had pretty much the same armaments we did, while I have yet to see an insurgent with a single tank, an artillery piece larger than a mortar, or any kind of ship larger than a inflatable speedboat.
 
2012-10-23 10:53:48 AM

divgradcurl: Mad Morf: kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.

This is true, but they can only carry enough aviation fuel for about 18 days of continuous flight ops, so that's the limiting factor these days...

i don't see a problem here. aren't most modern wars about 2 weeks long anyway what with the 'shock and awe' and all that?

/oh wait...


Yup.
This, ballistic missiles and satellites are the main reasons the USAF still has a jorb.

/Sustained air campaigns require land based air assets.
//Former USAF NCO.
 
2012-10-23 10:53:49 AM
The only reason they are pushing for military expansion is because states like Ohio have heavily invested in the manufacturing of all the accessories for war. I have no doubt whole local economies depend on the military buying their planes/ships/tanks whether or not they are needed. It is a sad state of affairs.
 
2012-10-23 10:54:26 AM

Mad Morf: kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.

This is true, but they can only carry enough aviation fuel for about 18 days of continuous flight ops, so that's the limiting factor these days...


Oh... that's a cool fact I didn't consider. This will be the one new thing i've learned today.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:05 AM

urbangirl: Shadowknight: kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.

New Super Carriers like the Bush are really only limited by the people onboard. Given an intimate supply of food and creature comfort items, they could really go nonstop for the entire life of it's fuel.

I have a feeling the people would hang themselves or go on murder sprees long before that, though.

I really, really hope you meant "infinite".


Well, they can ask and tell these days......

My
Ass
Really
Is
Navy
Equipment

/I keed my squiddy & jarheady friends.
 
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2012-10-23 10:55:31 AM

raerae1980: Have we stopped making ships?? I was under the impression we had not.


No, but the trend has been for fewer but larger and more sophisticated ships for many years. An Arleigh Burke class destroyer today displaces 9,200 tons, but a Caldwell class destroyer from 1917 displaces 1,100 tons.

It's that way in everything. The Air Force doesn't have thousands of ultralights like it did in WW I either.
 
2012-10-23 10:56:06 AM

odinsposse: To compare modern American battleships and Navy with bayonets, I just don't understand that comparison.

- Paul Ryan, policy genius and the intellectual leader of conservatism.


OMG1!

He really did say that. But to be fair, Trig did not understand it either.
 
2012-10-23 10:56:49 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Obsolete as compared to what?


Atago Class, KDX-III Class, Type 052C, Type 45.

They lack the stealth features of many newer warships, their Aegis may or may not be the current baseline (a number of Tics didn't get upgrades because they were supposed to be retired by 2014, whereas now they're in service for longer), and they all have lots of nautical miles on the odometer. They're getting expensive to operate due to age and the fact they lack a lot of the automation the newer Burkes have. They supposedly don't have that long of a lifespan in a hostile environment near China. They can't handle the shore based missile spam.
 
2012-10-23 10:56:51 AM
The GOP are really upset that they might be allowed to fund more unwanted pork projects with our taxpayer money.
 
2012-10-23 10:57:18 AM

mayIFark: odinsposse: To compare modern American battleships and Navy with bayonets, I just don't understand that comparison.

- Paul Ryan, policy genius and the intellectual leader of conservatism.

OMG1!

He really did say that. But to be fair, Trig did not understand it either.


Torg got it on the third try, though.
 
2012-10-23 10:59:03 AM
This is like someone giving you a horribly scathing insult based on complete truth regarding your character that catches you off-guard leaving you with no adequate reply, and then after hours of mental self-torture over the truth of it, you finally think of a reply and call that person up and say, "Nuh uh!"
 
Bf+
2012-10-23 10:59:04 AM

Renart: Romney and Ryan have studied this issue extensively, people. They know what they're talking about.

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/Hot.


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see what you did there.

/a women's place is in the binder!
 
2012-10-23 10:59:25 AM
"The ocean hasn't shrunk." ZING

This, right here, is why I can never be in politics. When I hear or read something like what the President said last night, my first reaction is always to try and think up the GOP rejoinder that will resonate with their derp-class base. And every single time, I fail at it.

This "zing" is so patently, absurdly stupid that it would simply never occur to me that a responsible adult would permit such a thing to leave his mouth. And yet, there it is... and it is perfect. This is exactly the sort of come-back that a profoundly dumb person will think sounds clever. All I can do is shake my head in wonder.


Idiocracy is a documentary from the future. And the ocean does, in fact, have electrolytes.
 
2012-10-23 11:00:06 AM
Technology has most certainly shrunk time and space. That is the whole point. Technology closes spatial distance, literally.
 
2012-10-23 11:00:34 AM
He then said he had to be at the gym in 22 minutes.
 
2012-10-23 11:02:12 AM
SICK BURN

/seriously, Paul? That's your farking counterargument?
 
2012-10-23 11:02:40 AM
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Hold up babe, I've been investing in these two Howitzer's for the last 45 minutes.


/And yet the media still try to portray Biden as the dumb meathead, and Ryan as the "serious" policy guy.
 
2012-10-23 11:03:13 AM
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2012-10-23 11:04:16 AM

Dogberry: Nine hours and that's the best response. My, oh my.


He was busy running three marathons.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:16 AM
"Oh yeah? Well, the Jerk Store called; they're outta you!!"
 
2012-10-23 11:05:20 AM
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2012-10-23 11:06:13 AM

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Russia only has 1 aircraft carrier?!?!
 
2012-10-23 11:06:27 AM
*facepalm*
 
2012-10-23 11:06:33 AM

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2012-10-23 11:06:45 AM

what_now: trivial use of my dark powers: what_now: Keep running with this, boys. We need more boats. It doesn't matter what kind, it's the numbers that matter.

I have a canoe I'm not using. I'll duct-tape a shotgun to it and sell it to the navy for $1.5 million. It's a bargain--call me, Mittens!

I can steal my neighbor's kayaks and we'll invade the coast line that Syria and Iran share.


That was a far bigger stumble on Romney's part than the 1916 Navy comment, IMHO. Like Sarah Palin level of geographic blundering. In fact the 'horses and bayonets' comment was Obama's sarcastic response rather than Romney's gaffe.

I don't know why that one got so much traction but his WTF geography gaffe got no love at all. I guess I will never get memetics.
 
2012-10-23 11:06:54 AM

devilEther: And submitter is soundly humiliated. nice work, everyone.


Mr_Fabulous: "The ocean hasn't shrunk." ZING

This, right here, is why I can never be in politics. When I hear or read something like what the President said last night, my first reaction is always to try and think up the GOP rejoinder that will resonate with their derp-class base. And every single time, I fail at it.

This "zing" is so patently, absurdly stupid that it would simply never occur to me that a responsible adult would permit such a thing to leave his mouth. And yet, there it is... and it is perfect. This is exactly the sort of come-back that a profoundly dumb person will think sounds clever. All I can do is shake my head in wonder.


Idiocracy is a documentary from the future. And the ocean does, in fact, have electrolytes.


i411.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 11:08:06 AM
The oceans will be getting much bigger if his handlers have their way.
 
2012-10-23 11:08:26 AM

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I spent like 15 seconds making it, might as well wring out as much use as possible


World's Active Duty Ninja Battalions chart looks identical.
 
2012-10-23 11:08:54 AM

gilgigamesh: That was a far bigger stumble on Romney's part than the 1916 Navy comment, IMHO


Yes, but Obama didn't run with it. I'm not sure if he didn't hear, he ignored it, or what.

I have to imagine that Barack Obama's mental map of the Middle East is more clear than mine, but I thought to myself "...wait...what? Iran is on the ..what? " and then I googled mapped to make sure *I* wasn't the crazy one.
 
2012-10-23 11:09:01 AM

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I spent like 15 seconds making it, might as well wring out as much use as possible


Nice, took me a second, but nice.
 
2012-10-23 11:09:48 AM

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I spent like 15 seconds making it, might as well wring out as much use as possible


you got a chortle out of me
 
2012-10-23 11:11:06 AM
If I remember correctly, in World War 2 Japan's aircraft and German u-boats showed us the effectiveness of battleships. They have their place, but it doesn't historically look like a place where we need more of them. Sure, battleships have evolved, but so have planes, submarines and long range ballistics.
 
2012-10-23 11:11:12 AM
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2012-10-23 11:12:06 AM
Romney and Ryan understand the true threat Iran poses to our navy:

Why has Obama not funded superior flying boat technology?!
 
2012-10-23 11:12:13 AM

please: Technology has most certainly shrunk time and space. That is the whole point. Technology closes spatial distance, literally.


That sounds almost..... scientific.

And therefore socialistic.

RINO!!!
 
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