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2012-10-23 10:39:25 AM

vpb: Does anyone know where to find total active tonnage for 1917?


Do you really think Romney or Ryan knows that tonnage is one way to measure these things?
 
2012-10-23 10:39:43 AM
I expected a better retort from Paul "Numbers Guy" Ryan.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:44 AM

kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.


New Super Carriers like the Bush are really only limited by the people onboard. Given an intimate supply of food and creature comfort items, they could really go nonstop for the entire life of it's fuel.

I have a feeling the people would hang themselves or go on murder sprees long before that, though.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:57 AM

DjangoStonereaver: gilgigamesh: DjangoStonereaver: Um....

[boeingblogs.com image 700x500]

Yes it has, dumbass.

The advance in technology is impressive. But its funny that the personnel still wear standard camouflage.

If they really needed to stay hidden in that room the camo should be depictions of computers and electronic equipment.

Its fractal camouflage, now.


Believe it or not, the Navy NWU is not intended to be camouflage. It is designed to mask the most common paints, oils, and grease used in the maintenance of naval vessels.

We get to be dirty and not look dirty.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:07 AM
Pair this with his "war on left-handed Irish" comment, it makes you realize Ryan says he's a "numbers guy" not because of anything regarding his number-crunching skills, but because he fails miserably at words.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:10 AM
"The Ocean hasn't shrunk..." no shiat, Sherlock. Hell, what with global warming, deglaciation, and rising sea levels the ocean has...wait a tick. Romney/Ryan also supports increased fossil fuel use and halting transition to renewables and clean energy.

Holy fark, Romney's plan has a detail, substance, and some coherence! The US rules the seas, and they want to make the seas bigger so we rule more of the Earth with a bigger navy to do it!

Manifest Sea-Destiny!
 
2012-10-23 10:40:10 AM
By the way, based on the current Navy budget, the Navy is going to end up fielding fewer Aegis cruisers than Congress requires. With CG(X) cut and Congress not providing funding for enough Flight III Burkes, the USN won't have enough hulls. As it stand some of the older cruisers just had their service life extended as a stop-gap measure. Congress has only itself it blame.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:25 AM

Slaxl: That's really bad, considering he's had all this time with a team to work together on the best thing to say as a soundbite to be their retort to that quip... Sack everyone involved.


i don't have time to dick around with these half measures, how many llamas will be needed to finish the job?
 
2012-10-23 10:40:39 AM

Renart: Romney and Ryan have studied this issue extensively, people. They know what they're talking about.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 641x361]

/Hot.


I love that game box image. Keep washing those dishes girls til sammich time!
 
2012-10-23 10:40:44 AM
"The ocean hasn't shrunk," Ryan said in an interview on CBS's This Morning.

What Ryan means is that the ocean hasn't shrunk in his bathtub where he plays "Battleship" with some ships that he got out of a Cracker Jack box.

STFU, Eddie!
 
2012-10-23 10:40:46 AM
The jerk store called......
 
2012-10-23 10:41:01 AM
WHY DOES OBAMA REFUSE TO UP THE BUDGET ON OUR COAL REFUELING DEPOTS? WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO ATTACK SALAMANCA DURING OUR NEXT TURN WITH OUR IRONCLADS NOW!
 
2012-10-23 10:41:05 AM
I thought Republicans, especially so-called fiscal wonks like Ryan and rock-ribbed businessmen like Romney. understood the value of efficiency. Isn't controlling more battlespace with fewer, better ships and crew supposed to be a good thing that deficit hawks should applaud, or does productivity zealotry only apply to workers, the destitute, and the old?

/government doesn't create jobs... except when it comes to military procurement, at which point the more money thrown at it the better
//GOP logic
 
2012-10-23 10:41:58 AM
How does the firepower of a Ticonderoga-class cruiser compare with an Iowa-class battleship before the latter were upgraded?
 
2012-10-23 10:42:06 AM

raerae1980: Have we stopped making ships?? I was under the impression we had not.


We put a temporary hold on new carrier groups, though existing groups are being maintained and having their operating life extended. I think that is what Romney and the Republican Defense Industry is complaining about, though I don't know why they are doing so in such a roundabout manner.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:21 AM
Keep talking.
 
2012-10-23 10:43:09 AM

that bosnian sniper: "The Ocean hasn't shrunk..." no shiat, Sherlock. Hell, what with global warming, deglaciation, and rising sea levels the ocean has...wait a tick. Romney/Ryan also supports increased fossil fuel use and halting transition to renewables and clean energy.

Holy fark, Romney's plan has a detail, substance, and some coherence! The US rules the seas, and they want to make the seas bigger so we rule more of the Earth with a bigger navy to do it!

Manifest Sea-Destiny!


Water World II!
 
2012-10-23 10:44:06 AM

what_now: John Paul


I want so badly to make a Led Zeppelin joke, but I'm just not that funny.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:22 AM
So wow, they really do think it's like Battleship.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:35 AM
"It's been a story of changing stories by the administration," Ryan said.

What.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:42 AM
True...but the force-projection 'bubble' (ie, the range at which a given ship or fleet can engage an enemy) of a modern carrier is about 1000km. The force-projection 'bubble' of a WWI fleet was about 50k.

Also: WWI was the height of a naval arms race. After WWI, that race continued right through WWII, when we then had the Cold War to deal with. So in a way, our fleet size has *finally* gotten back to actual peacetime levels and you want to build it up again? Do you maybe not realize how much ships cost?
 
2012-10-23 10:44:51 AM
Paul Ryan is an idiot on everything but budgets and numbers. Until we found out he was an idiot on that too. So vote for him. He could be president if Romney falls off his dancing horse.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:55 AM
I support replacing a single carrier with a dozen Zodiacs. It would massively inflate the size of the Navy while cutting down costs significantly. Win/win.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:30 AM

kronicfeld: Go on, double down on the stupidity.


That's the Teabag (and apparently the GOP) way.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the ground hasn't shrunk much either, but we still have fewer horses.

/bayonets not less deadly either.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:49 AM

PlatinumDragon: I thought Republicans, especially so-called fiscal wonks like Ryan and rock-ribbed businessmen like Romney. understood the value of efficiency. Isn't controlling more battlespace with fewer, better ships and crew supposed to be a good thing that deficit hawks should applaud, or does productivity zealotry only apply to workers, the destitute, and the old?

/government doesn't create jobs... except when it comes to military procurement, at which point the more money thrown at it the better
//GOP logic


Hawks on the right don't go for efficiency when it comes to the military. That doesn't get them hard. They prefer overwhelming numbers. They prefer the zerg rush.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:49 AM

Lost Thought 00: raerae1980: Have we stopped making ships?? I was under the impression we had not.

We put a temporary hold on new carrier groups, though existing groups are being maintained and having their operating life extended. I think that is what Romney and the Republican Defense Industry is complaining about, though I don't know why they are doing so in such a roundabout manner.


I assume the Gerald R. Fords will replace the Nimitzes as they're retired. Is Enterprise out of service yet? I recall that ship being first in line for replacement.

Why the fark would the US need more carrier groups? Aren't ten or eleven enough to effectively control the entire freaking surface?
 
2012-10-23 10:46:06 AM

Mad Morf: kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.

This is true, but they can only carry enough aviation fuel for about 18 days of continuous flight ops, so that's the limiting factor these days...


i don't see a problem here. aren't most modern wars about 2 weeks long anyway what with the 'shock and awe' and all that?

/oh wait...
 
2012-10-23 10:46:07 AM
hey, Rmoney/Ryan!

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2012-10-23 10:46:07 AM

Shadowknight: kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.

New Super Carriers like the Bush are really only limited by the people onboard. Given an intimate supply of food and creature comfort items, they could really go nonstop for the entire life of it's fuel.

I have a feeling the people would hang themselves or go on murder sprees long before that, though.


I really, really hope you meant "infinite".
 
2012-10-23 10:46:25 AM
And..... He totally misses the point.

Thank you, Sarah-Palin-In-Pants
 
2012-10-23 10:46:32 AM

riverwalk barfly: what_now: John Paul

I want so badly to make a Led Zeppelin joke, but I'm just not that funny.


Yeah, I went back and forth on a "...and john Bonham's dead" joke, but chose not to.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:35 AM
oblig.

jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-23 10:46:36 AM
"This trillion dollar cut in defense will make us weak, will project weakness abroad"

So, do you regret voting for the sequestration?

Also, maybe you should be busting your ass in Congress to avoid that automatic cut.

Ryan is like someone farking up horribly at work and hoping to find a new job before someone notices and fires him.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:41 AM
Umm......

You do realize that the more you talk about it, the more permanent it gets in people's mind?
And if have not guessed, it did not go in your way....
 
2012-10-23 10:46:42 AM

what_now: Keep running with this, boys. We need more boats. It doesn't matter what kind, it's the numbers that matter.


I have a canoe I'm not using. I'll duct-tape a shotgun to it and sell it to the navy for $1.5 million. It's a bargain--call me, Mittens!
 
2012-10-23 10:46:52 AM

azazyel: that bosnian sniper: "The Ocean hasn't shrunk..." no shiat, Sherlock. Hell, what with global warming, deglaciation, and rising sea levels the ocean has...wait a tick. Romney/Ryan also supports increased fossil fuel use and halting transition to renewables and clean energy.

Holy fark, Romney's plan has a detail, substance, and some coherence! The US rules the seas, and they want to make the seas bigger so we rule more of the Earth with a bigger navy to do it!

Manifest Sea-Destiny!

Water World II!


+1 Internets to the first person to shop Romney & Ryan into a Waterworld pic.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:58 AM

Wellon Dowd: How does the firepower of a Ticonderoga-class cruiser compare with an Iowa-class battleship before the latter were upgraded?


We didn't even have the Iowa-classes back in WWI.

/nor did we have any real aircraft carriers, or radar, or GPS...
 
2012-10-23 10:47:03 AM
Jerk Store! Jerk Store is the line! Jerk Store is gonna SMOKE that guy!
 
2012-10-23 10:48:08 AM

raerae1980: Have we stopped making ships?? I was under the impression we had not.


The specific issue Aegis fulls. The whole CG(X), next generation cruiser project, was a clusterfark that went over budget and got the axe. As a result we're not building new cruisers and the Ticonderoga cruisers we have are starting to show their age. The plan Obama has is for the construction of more Flight III Burke Class Destroyers and the upgrade of older Flights of Burkes to the III spec (new Aegis baseline, ability to fire the SM-3 and SM-6, etc). The deal is Congress only came up with the funding to modernize 11 ships (there are 62 active) and no money to start building Flight IIIs until 2016. So we have a dead period where no hulls get added and the Tics float around and become even more obsolete.
 
2012-10-23 10:48:09 AM

Dogberry: DamnYankees: Dear god, these people might be running this country in a few months.

Florida, Ohio, I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.


Reporting here from Ohio, Fartbama's route to the sea.

Will do all we can to hold the line for Admiral Romney.

MOUNT UP!

FIX BAYONETS!

CHAAAARRRRRGGGEEEEE!!!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-23 10:48:19 AM
Who the fark is this Paul Ryan dick?
 
2012-10-23 10:49:06 AM

trivial use of my dark powers: what_now: Keep running with this, boys. We need more boats. It doesn't matter what kind, it's the numbers that matter.

I have a canoe I'm not using. I'll duct-tape a shotgun to it and sell it to the navy for $1.5 million. It's a bargain--call me, Mittens!


No you won't - Canada needs its navy back by next week.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:13 AM
In this scenario, Barack Obama is Indiana Jones, and Mitt Romney is the dude who just got shot.

www.thegeekreport.net
 
2012-10-23 10:49:17 AM
"Iran is four years closer to a nuclear weapon."

It's also 4 years closer to the election of it's first gay female robot emperor with a cooking show.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:21 AM

EyeballKid: Pair this with his "war on left-handed Irish" comment, it makes you realize Ryan says he's a "numbers guy" not because of anything regarding his number-crunching skills, but because he fails miserably at words.


He does regularly insert numbers into his speeches, so there's that.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:23 AM

ha-ha-guy: raerae1980: Have we stopped making ships?? I was under the impression we had not.

The specific issue Aegis fulls. The whole CG(X), next generation cruiser project, was a clusterfark that went over budget and got the axe. As a result we're not building new cruisers and the Ticonderoga cruisers we have are starting to show their age. The plan Obama has is for the construction of more Flight III Burke Class Destroyers and the upgrade of older Flights of Burkes to the III spec (new Aegis baseline, ability to fire the SM-3 and SM-6, etc). The deal is Congress only came up with the funding to modernize 11 ships (there are 62 active) and no money to start building Flight IIIs until 2016. So we have a dead period where no hulls get added and the Tics float around and become even more obsolete.


Obsolete as compared to what?
 
2012-10-23 10:49:31 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Ryan is like someone farking up horribly at work and hoping to find a new job before someone notices and fires him.


In Wississippi? Not likely.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:06 AM
And submitter is soundly humiliated. nice work, everyone.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:10 AM

Renart: Romney and Ryan have studied this issue extensively, people. They know what they're talking about.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 641x361]

/Hot.


Thank goodness Mitt let those women out of their binders and gave them a flexible schedule, so they could go home and do the cooking and cleaning .
 
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