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(The Hill)   Paul Ryan hits back at Obama's "horses and bayonets" quip: "The ocean hasn't shrunk." ZING   (thehill.com) divider line 295
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2012-10-23 09:54:47 AM
Um....

boeingblogs.com

Yes it has, dumbass.
 
2012-10-23 09:57:05 AM
We have guided missiles that can take out an enemy ship from over the horizon. we don't need a flotilla of cruisers to do the same job as a pile of missiles.
 
2012-10-23 09:57:51 AM
The ships do go a little farther though don't they you lying pissrag.
 
2012-10-23 09:58:00 AM
Go on, double down on the stupidity.
 
2012-10-23 09:58:39 AM
Keep running with this, boys. We need more boats. It doesn't matter what kind, it's the numbers that matter.
 
2012-10-23 09:59:15 AM
That's really bad, considering he's had all this time with a team to work together on the best thing to say as a soundbite to be their retort to that quip... Sack everyone involved.
 
2012-10-23 10:01:31 AM
FTFA: The president, if all of these defense cuts go through, our Navy will be smaller than it was in World War I. That's unacceptable."

No. That's actually the opposite of unacceptable. Air power has fundamentally altered the value of a navy, and the navy has been decreasing in size for decades for a reason.
 
2012-10-23 10:01:57 AM
www.neptunuslex.com

no but the ships have gotten bigger

Class & type: Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate
Displacement: 4,100 long tons (4,200 t), full load
Length: 453 feet (138 m), overall
Beam: 45 feet (14 m)
Draught: 22 feet (6.7 m)

USS Constitution (heavy frigate)
Tonnage: 1,576
Displacement: 2,200 tons
Length: 204 ft (62 m) billet head to taffrail;
175 ft (53 m) at waterline[2]
Beam: 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m)
Height: foremast: 198 ft (60 m)
mainmast: 220 ft (67 m)
mizzenmast:172.5 ft (52.6 m)[2]
Draft: 21 ft (6.4 m) forward
23 ft (7.0 m) aft[4]
 
2012-10-23 10:01:59 AM
Nine hours and that's the best response. My, oh my.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:09 AM
"The ocean hasn't shrunk," Ryan said in an interview on CBS's This Morning. "You still have to have enough ships to have the footprint that you need ... to keep our strength abroad where it needs to be."

What exactly is the "footprint" (tactical reach?) of a single carrier group compared to the entire American fleet in 1912?
 
2012-10-23 10:05:53 AM

Dogberry: Nine hours and that's the best response. My, oh my.


To be fair, he likely hasn't gotten any sleep while trying to come up with it.
 
2012-10-23 10:08:20 AM
The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.
 
2012-10-23 10:08:48 AM
Instead of wasting money and putting lots of ships and sailors on the line, we could invest in those fancy new missiles that can pin a fly to a wall from way the fark out, then explode and wipe out whatever ship that fly was on.

But yeah, keep using the size of the ocean as a reason to waste money on outdated technology.
 
2012-10-23 10:08:57 AM
It still takes a day to travel to the Cayman Islands by yacht. Suck it Fart.
 
2012-10-23 10:09:49 AM

Bloody William: "The ocean hasn't shrunk," Ryan said in an interview on CBS's This Morning. "You still have to have enough ships to have the footprint that you need ... to keep our strength abroad where it needs to be."

What exactly is the "footprint" (tactical reach?) of a single carrier group compared to the entire American fleet in 1912?


A single carrier battle group would obliterate the combined navies of the US, Britain and Germany from WWI. If they felt like it they could probably do this without being seen for extra points.
 
2012-10-23 10:09:50 AM
To be fair, you DO need more ships if they're powered by horses on treadmills, getting poked with a bayonet once in a while to keep them trotting.
 
2012-10-23 10:13:08 AM
I wonder how many of the GOP's best and brightest it took to come up with that scathing retort.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:01 AM
Done in one. No more needs to be said.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:13 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Um....

[boeingblogs.com image 700x500]

Yes it has, dumbass.


The advance in technology is impressive. But its funny that the personnel still wear standard camouflage.

If they really needed to stay hidden in that room the camo should be depictions of computers and electronic equipment.
 
2012-10-23 10:15:21 AM
Does this mean the GOP is finally acknowledging global warming and rising ocean levels?
 
2012-10-23 10:15:43 AM
John Paul Jones would not recognize what Fartbama did to the Navy, libs.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:39 AM

gilgigamesh: DjangoStonereaver: Um....

[boeingblogs.com image 700x500]

Yes it has, dumbass.

The advance in technology is impressive. But its funny that the personnel still wear standard camouflage.

If they really needed to stay hidden in that room the camo should be depictions of computers and electronic equipment.


Its fractal camouflage, now.
 
2012-10-23 10:18:56 AM
Sounds like someone's doing their best to make sure Virginia doesn't go Democrat...Newport News...Lynchburg...
 
2012-10-23 10:20:06 AM
The U.S.S Obama (top) vs. the U.S.S Romney (bottom)
 
2012-10-23 10:21:26 AM

what_now: John Paul Jones would not recognize what Fartbama did to the Navy, libs.


I love you
/that is all
 
2012-10-23 10:24:13 AM

kronicfeld: Go on, double down on the stupidity.


This.

You'll definitely excite your base with this logic,Mittens.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:49 AM
The fact that the GOP has to spend the entire next day doing damage control and shoring up Romney's statements tells me all I need to know about who they think won.

That and the laughable coverage by Faux News.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:54 AM
Dear god, these people might be running this country in a few months.
 
2012-10-23 10:35:15 AM

kronicfeld: Go on, double down on the stupidity.


This; good God Ryan's a whiny little biatch ain't he.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 10:36:10 AM
Actually the area each ship can control has increased dramatically. Besides, if you want to start dredging up historical irrelevancies, the US has the largest navy in the world now and we were number two in 1917.

There were only about 40 more ships in 1917, and ships today are much larger. I am fairly sure the Navy is larger today than in 1917 in terms of tonnage. Does anyone know where to find total active tonnage for 1917?
 
2012-10-23 10:36:12 AM
Do you think he went back to his advisers after that line and said, "Nailed it!"
 
2012-10-23 10:36:38 AM

what_now: John Paul Jones would not recognize what Fartbama did to the Navy, libs.


John Paul Jones was a Commie TRAITOR who gave all of our Naval technology to the RUSSIANS!!1!
 
2012-10-23 10:36:43 AM

DamnYankees: Dear god, these people might be running this country in a few months.


Florida, Ohio, I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:15 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 10:37:19 AM

Bontesla: kronicfeld: Go on, double down on the stupidity.

This.

You'll definitely excite your base with this logic,Mittens.


The funny thing is that it probably will.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:26 AM
What's really annoying is Obama has signaled he wants a bigger Navy, namely Flight III Aegis Destroyers, however he wants to keep the Army and Air Force cuts. This Congress just putting our national security at risk so the Rs can try to score points off Obama. Basically Congress is demanding a roll back of all cuts, Obama just wants to adjust the cuts so there is more funding for Aegis hulls.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:50 AM
They're pandering to voters who remember Pearl Harbor and still call Russia "The Soviet Union." Of course they're sticking with this talking point.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:51 AM
The ocean hasn't shrunk... and bayonets are still sharp and horsies are still fast yet pretty!

So nyah!
 
2012-10-23 10:38:01 AM
They slept on it and this is all they could come up with? That's like retorting with: "Oh yeah? Well, your mom!"
 
2012-10-23 10:38:01 AM
Romney and Ryan have studied this issue extensively, people. They know what they're talking about.

4.bp.blogspot.com

/Hot.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:03 AM

Dogberry: DamnYankees: Dear god, these people might be running this country in a few months.

Florida, Ohio, I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.


Florida is a lost cause. Hope for Nevada to do the smart thing.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:25 AM
Man, I hate to pound the shotglass or just toss out ten lbs of cheddar, but even an environmentally minded dude can see that the President won the last debate.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:31 AM
Force projection, how does it farking work?

And what's borderline horrifying is, these morons are allegedly the BEST the right-wing can muster right now. No wonder the rest of the world just shakes their collective head at us.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:32 AM
enhanced.freedomstudios.net

We need more ships!!!!1111
 
2012-10-23 10:38:32 AM
Relatively, they have.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:03 AM

kbronsito: The entire world has shrunk... its called globalization.

Also (I'll accept corrections if i'm wrong) but I understand that our Nimitz class aircraft carriers have two nuclear reactors that allow them to navigate w/o stopping for fuel for about 20 years. It seems that if your ships are faster and don't need to stop as much to refuel and you can cover more ground with less vessels.


This is true, but they can only carry enough aviation fuel for about 18 days of continuous flight ops, so that's the limiting factor these days...
 
2012-10-23 10:39:04 AM
cyberbrethren.com
 
2012-10-23 10:39:06 AM
Have we stopped making ships?? I was under the impression we had not.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:14 AM
And if we ever go to war with the ocean that might matter.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:16 AM
In other news, Paul Ryan has yet to discover satellite technology or GPS.
 
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