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2012-10-23 01:29:26 PM  
8 votes:
The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.

The tax issue is a dodge. It is about getting folks on board to vote against their own interests, and to limit competition in the market. That isn't good for the nation. It isn't good for business either. We are watching the markets contract the number of players, and throw cash overseas as opposed to keeping it here, or using it here. We need local investment. We need more competition in the markets. We need more small business owners. We need to encourage folks to start up businesses that will use local distribution nets, that will serve local markets, because they will conserve cash into those communities, as opposed to shipping out to banks far and away from where the cash was spent. It has never been a trickle down, but always been trickle up. The policies we see advocated are about serving the largest players, and eliminating local players that might keep the cash circulating a bit longer before heading upstream. It WILL do that, but at a slower rate with more competition in the markets, and that is really what the largest players fear. That they won't get their cut as quickly, so that they can ship it out.
2012-10-23 10:34:14 AM  
6 votes:
What's there to research in order to define? They're Republicans, only, louder and stupider.
2012-10-23 03:03:16 PM  
5 votes:
I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others. In summary, the article was correct about their being two waves, the first being the more liberatrian and small government. The second, being the ones who took over and co-opted it, i.e. extremist Republicans.

//Really hoping things get better soon
/// Idiocracy might be the most relevant movie of our time.
2012-10-23 02:41:50 PM  
5 votes:
That article had a lot of words. I think I can sum it up better this way:

earthisland.com


4.bp.blogspot.com


www.neckofstate.com


www.esquire.com

static.guim.co.uk

3.bp.blogspot.com

www.pankmagazine.com
2012-10-23 10:39:24 AM  
5 votes:
Angry racist scared and often poor white people from mostly rural areas where there are no cultures other than their own.

And the rich white men who exploit them for political gain.
2012-10-23 10:30:35 AM  
5 votes:
Really? Ten of them to understand undereducated, lower middle class white people afraid of the Black Man and The Gays? They could've just asked, well, anyone.
2012-10-23 03:19:36 PM  
4 votes:

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


Before 2008 I was considered a moderate Republican, a major supporter of the military and a backer of pre-fundie McCain and upstanding Republicans like Bob Dole. Now I'm called a "libtard" or "RINO."

The difference? I don't give in to the astroturf Tea Party nonsense. A lot of the people who consider themselves "Tea Party" are fine and just human beings with real grievances and a desire for specific changes in policy, but the political unit they associate themselves with is mostly the modern incarnation of the Moral Majority financially backed by Fox News and other mega-corporations.

The platform of tax and job reform, along with entitlement reform, no longer exists as a legislative agenda: it's a war in the eyes of those leading the party. It's an all or nothing, militaristic, threatening tantrum that ignores any real governance in favor of outrage and hate. It's sad, and it's essentially not American. These people running the Tea Party want us fighting our neighbors, calling our siblings and friends as enemies and threats. They think any view that isn't theirs is an assault and must be quashed.

We are all Americans. Stop treating people who think differently as enemies and instead think of them as Americans. We don't have to agree to get along and compromise.
2012-10-23 04:06:28 PM  
3 votes:
i159.photobucket.com
2012-10-23 03:23:44 PM  
3 votes:

HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.


This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.
2012-10-23 12:03:19 PM  
3 votes:
Nice book cover. Here's a more accurate one:

i.imgur.com
2012-10-23 11:02:19 AM  
3 votes:
Old pissed off whites who are mad that a black man is President.
2012-10-23 10:56:55 AM  
3 votes:
1. He's black
2. A little education is a dangerous thing
3. He's black
4. 'Taxation without representation' and 'Don't Tread On Me' sure make nifty slogans
5. He's black

It's not really that complicated.
2012-10-23 02:32:52 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Using a taxpayer-funded Hoveround to travel to the rally against government spending? THAT is what you're trying to explain?


Funny you should mention scooters.
Scooters are a half billion dollar industry, mostly from Medicare.
You know who owns The Scooter Store? Marc Leder's Sun Capital. Marc Leder is the guy who hosted the fundraiser where Mitt made his "47%" comment.
Guess who one of the investors is in Sun Capital?
Solamere, which is the equity group started (with $10million from Mitt) by Tagg Romney and Mitt's largest fundraiser.
2012-10-23 11:41:35 AM  
2 votes:
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

"Listen, and understand. The Tea Party is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with.
It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you accept that
George W. Bush was the greatest President this country ever had."
2012-10-23 09:43:45 PM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.

The tax issue is a dodge. It is about getting folks on board to vote against their own interests, and to limit competition in the market. That isn't good for the nation. It isn't good for business either. We are watching the markets contract the number of players, and throw cash overseas as opposed to keeping it here, or using it here. We need local investment. We need more competition in the markets. We need more small business owners. We need to encourage folks to start up businesses that will use local distribution nets, that will serve local markets, because they will conserve cash into those communities, as opposed to shipping out to banks far and away from where the cash was spent. It has never been a trickle down, but always been trickle up. The policies we see advocated are about serving the largest players, and eliminating local players that might keep the cash circulating a bit longer before heading upstream. It WILL do that, but at a slower rate with more competition in the markets, and that is really what the largest players fear. That they won't get their cut as quickly, so that they can ship it out.


Pretty much this.

You can find the roots of the Teahadists not in the 1990's, but in the original conservative movement, back when Buckley first put it together. Back then, defeating the Communists was the ONLY thing that mattered to them, it was the heart and soul of conservatism. When the USSR collapsed in 1991, however, the conservatives didn't really "win"--because they didn't defeat Communism, it just died. So throughout the 90's, conservatives looked for a new enemy to fight--even while various liberal causes and civil rights movements gained ascendancy. The Tea Parties coalesced to fight these new enemies just as 9/11 happened, and what should have been a moment for us all to become Americans instead became a moment for us all to hate Islam--a subtle difference, but very important.

It went hand-in-hand with the new power brokers who wanted to buy low and sell high and needed something to distract the hoipolloi; you can see the same thing happening in the 2000's when industry and PMCs made zillions fighting "radical Islam" as happened in the early 1960's, when military and aerospace contractors made billions fighting the commies and sold the public on the threat. Spice it up with some religion, patriotism and ultranationalism, and really, things aren't much different today than they were in 1953.
2012-10-23 06:31:13 PM  
1 vote:

DjangoStonereaver: While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.


Of course. He broke the uncontested, 200+ year rule of old, rich, white anglo-saxon protestant men (and one irish catholic).

I mean, just look at that pattern:

addisonrd.com

To them, that's the motherfarking end times.
2012-10-23 04:08:00 PM  
1 vote:

ghare: jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.

No, what you've noticed is Democrats pointing out that, no matter how unhappy they may be with Obama, Romney is much much worse.


Amen to that! I'm sick of the republicans for putting me in the position to have to perpetually defend Obama on BS issues that make me sound like the libbiest lib that ever libbed a lib. I have what I feel are legitimate grievances with Obama on warrantless wiretapping, the war in afghanistan, the war on drugs, etc. I swear on high I am a conservative person. I'm a straight white male with a wife and kids and a job I've had for 12 years, short hair, no tattoos, a house, and a gun. I pay my taxes, obey most laws, and otherwise mind my on freakin business. But the right wingers today are so far off the script that I sound like a got dang marxist, and I know that's how they look at me. Are you guys serious? I'm not a farking leftist, you're just farking crazy! Your policies don't match your stated principles!! How can you not see this?!!?
2012-10-23 03:49:59 PM  
1 vote:

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


No, what you've noticed is Democrats pointing out that, no matter how unhappy they may be with Obama, Romney is much much worse.
2012-10-23 03:09:39 PM  
1 vote:

crazydave023: These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue.

I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others.


Great post.
2012-10-23 03:08:09 PM  
1 vote:

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


You should be awarded a grant to study the natural habitat of the Rural Teadtardus.
2012-10-23 02:53:03 PM  
1 vote:
Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.
2012-10-23 02:52:30 PM  
1 vote:
One of the best descriptions of the Tea Party I've come across:

"Movements like the Tea Party more than anything else reflect a widespread longing for simpler times and simpler solutions - just throw the U.S. Constitution at the whole mess and everything will be jake. For immigration, build a big fence. Abolish the Federal Reserve, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. At times the overt longing for simple answers that you get from Tea Party leaders is so earnest and touching, it almost makes you forget how insane most of them are....One of the key psychological characteristics of the Tea Party is its oxymoronic love of authority figures coupled with a narcissistic celebration of its own 'revolutionary' defiance....The Tea Party movement is not without some very legitimate grievances. But its origins - going back to Santelli's rant - are steeped in a gigantic exercise in delusional self-worship."
2012-10-23 02:46:50 PM  
1 vote:
Out of simple curiosity, I've been doing a lot of self-studying recently on the rise, power and fall of the Soviet Union. The similarities between the rise of Lenin and the Bolsheviks and the rise of the Tea Party are eerily similar.

For instance, I recently learned that post-Czar, the Russians actually had a democratically led congress. The Bolsheviks (whose name means majority but were actually a minority) over-threw the elected Congress in many of the same tactics the Tea Party are using right now in Congress.

There was obviously a lot more detail going on back then, but I have found myself going "hmmmm" several times when I read about Lenin.
2012-10-23 02:40:55 PM  
1 vote:

I'm what the leaders of the Tea Party would call a RINO: Republican in Name Only. And that's ironic because that's exactly what I think about the leaders of the Tea Party. Because the most conservative Republicans today aren't Republicans.

Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work but that there are way too many costing way too much, that don't. We believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism. The Tea Party believes in loving America but hating Americans. T

They believe in loving America, but hating its government.

And they believe that anybody who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-American motives.


Most of all, you must never, under any circumstance, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent. Or do any of what Democrats and genuine Republicans both call 'governing.'

And one other plank in the Tea Party platform. If you are poor, it means that you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. Here's Andre Bauer, Tea Party Leader and the Lt. Governor of South Carolina [Bauer's Words McAvoy Read's]: My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed."

It's almost hard to believe that Republicans can't get Dorothy Cooper to vote for them.

During Tea Party rallys and in campaign speeches, we've been told that America has been founded as a Christian nation and if the founding fathers were here today, they'd tell us so. Here's John Adams in the treaty of Tripoli: "As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." And here's Thomas Jefferson: "...that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions." And here's the first amendment to the US Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

What's more frightening than the perversion of our great history is that sensible strong smart Republicans, the very men and women who should be standing up to radical fundamentalism, are so frightened in losing primary battles to religious zealots that they've thrown in the towel on sanity.

It's ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn't Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It's this man. [image of Jesus Christ displays]. He said 'Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. '

Ideological purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
Denying science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
A demonization of education
A need to control women's bodies
Severe xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
A pathological hatred of the US government


They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican's certainly shouldn't. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban.


Video
2012-10-23 02:23:10 PM  
1 vote:

RedPhoenix122: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news Koch Industries. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.


TheBlackrose: Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.


Actually, it was started by freepers. They chose the ‶Teabag" name, even after being warned by their own as to what that term meant. They deliberately used the term anyway (the linked Freeper thread is from February 20, 2009, before any Tea Party protests, and months before Anderson Cooper would say his famous ‶teabagging" line), thinking that the sexual connotation would be applied to their enemies, not to themselves.

www.bradblog.com
⇑ Look carefully at the lower right corners of the posters. ⇑
Yep, the very same Freepers who posted in that thread made,
and are holding, those signs at that first Tea Party protest!

2012-10-23 02:22:35 PM  
1 vote:
Hitchens already nailed it a long time ago: Link
2012-10-23 02:18:28 PM  
1 vote:
s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
Tea Party, circa 1870.
2012-10-23 02:16:49 PM  
1 vote:
I can do it in 6 words: Uneducated Schizophrenic Narcissistic Fascist Racist Hypocrites
2012-10-23 02:10:05 PM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.


This, the metaphor has been made several times regarding the TeaTards, but it still applies; Frankenstein always turns on his master.
2012-10-23 02:05:56 PM  
1 vote:
Same repackaged Republican bullshiat that's been floating around for decades, only with more volume and histrionics to convince the low-info voter that they're not just voting for the same ol' same ol' because they hate that nig socialist in the White House, they love FREEDOM and they're PART OF SOMETHING REVOLUTIONARY!!!! These are the same idiots who probably lose a lot of sleep over that banner ad on Fark, thinking if they stay up late, they'll get to have a date with Michele Bachmann.

Who needs 10 people to figure that one out?
2012-10-23 02:05:52 PM  
1 vote:
2012-10-23 02:05:03 PM  
1 vote:
cosmiccomicslv.com

"Time to spread the word. And the word is FEAR."

/you'd be afraid too if you were looking at a president that you truly believe symbolized everything you know and love coming to an end
2012-10-23 12:49:48 PM  
1 vote:

impaler: No mention of Bob Altemeyer?


Was my first thought, too. Add a link to his page including both his comment on the Tea Party and his free PDF E-book "The Authoritarians".
2012-10-23 12:43:53 PM  
1 vote:
No mention of Bob Altemeyer?

Link
2012-10-23 12:27:25 PM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: It's when black, Muslim men from Kenya come to our exceptional country and try to tell us what to do take away our guns.

2012-10-23 12:12:49 PM  
1 vote:
All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.
2012-10-23 12:02:14 PM  
1 vote:
Take a bunch of low-information voters, add a bunch of racist dog-whistles, throw in a ton of fear of immigrants and new taxes, and bam. There's your recipe for the Tea Party.
2012-10-23 11:56:28 AM  
1 vote:

SurfaceTension: Cythraul: I thought Reagan was the Tea Party favorite?

Nah, he's a RINO


They only take the points that agree with them and ignore the rest of what he said. Just like they do with Jesus.
2012-10-23 11:48:29 AM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news Koch Industries. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

 
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