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2012-10-23 04:22:27 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: JolobinSmokin: WE GET IT THEIR NOT BLACK

I'm only responding long enough to out you as an alt:

Account created: 2012-08-11 15:47:02

And to point out that you used "their" where you should have used "they're".


I misspelled their on porpoise.

Also not an alt, I'm just old and thought I couldn't post on fark Unles I paid. 

/get off my lawn
 
2012-10-23 04:23:53 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.



By Democrats, whom are you specifically referring to? You must have certain individuals in mind who have muted their criticism in recent months. Can you point hem out?
 
2012-10-23 04:34:15 PM

jigger:
Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


I'm guessing you notice a lot of things that don't surprise you.
 
2012-10-23 04:42:32 PM

crazydave023: Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing.

Sczi: Your policies don't match your stated principles!! How can you not see this?!!?


Both of you might find Altemeyer's work to explain a lot of that.
 
2012-10-23 04:47:16 PM

Diogenes: I'm more interested in the results from the Thirty Helens study.

[killerbunnies.com image 480x344] 

"Thirty Helens agree...Teabaggers are dumber than a sack of rocks."


I friggin love KITH. And Kevin MacDonald comes to Philly to teach a master class in 'improv to sketchwriting' from time to time.

By the way, those are Canadian Helens, so your local results may vary.
 
2012-10-23 04:57:02 PM

whidbey: Oh horrors the IPCC.


is not a person

has not reduced or eliminated standing armies

has not held peace congresses
 
2012-10-23 04:59:33 PM

jigger: whidbey: Oh horrors the IPCC.

is not a person

has not reduced or eliminated standing armies

has not held peace congresses


No, they've offended your graces. Hence the silliness.
 
2012-10-23 05:07:50 PM

whidbey: jigger: whidbey: Oh horrors the IPCC.

is not a person

has not reduced or eliminated standing armies

has not held peace congresses

No, they've offended your graces. Hence the silliness.


Well, Alfred Nobel is dead so he can't complain about who his prizes go to, but do you think he would complain about giant multinational organizations like the EU and the IPCC being awarded prizes he reserved for a single person? Not to mention the fact that the organizations did not fulfill the listed award requirements.
 
2012-10-23 05:16:45 PM

KarmicDisaster: It is a 50/50 mix of hate and stupidity.


40/40 + 20% lead paint. In some regions the first two ingredients are further diluted with gas huffing.
 
2012-10-23 05:27:05 PM
Millennium 2012-10-23 02:53:03 PM

StandardMade up, stereotypical "liberal interpretation" of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.

Your trite worn out old argument which I have heard at least a hundred times already did not help matters.

So tiny little kitty helped fix it for you.

Honestly.

STOP with the damn robot-regurgitated CRAP.
 
2012-10-23 05:29:20 PM

jigger: Well, Alfred Nobel is dead so he can't complain about who his prizes go to, but do you think he would complain about giant multinational organizations like the EU and the IPCC being awarded prizes he reserved for a single person? Not to mention the fact that the organizations did not fulfill the listed award requirements.


Again, more like the EU, the IPCC and Obama all represent a more than uncomfortable shift in the stagnant right-leaning politik that's unfortunately still in control of the West, hence the flag on the play.
 
2012-10-23 06:07:30 PM

whidbey: jigger: Well, Alfred Nobel is dead so he can't complain about who his prizes go to, but do you think he would complain about giant multinational organizations like the EU and the IPCC being awarded prizes he reserved for a single person? Not to mention the fact that the organizations did not fulfill the listed award requirements.

Again, more like the EU, the IPCC and Obama all represent a more than uncomfortable shift in the stagnant right-leaning politik that's unfortunately still in control of the West, hence the flag on the play.


Did I even mention Obama? Well, I did mention mass murders, so maybe you included him there. 

But, again, I ask you don't you think the Peace Prize has been routinely awarded to people, even individuals, who don't fit the description? Hell, even in 2010, there was Liu Xiaobo. The Nobel website says the award was for "for his long and non-violent struggle for fundamental human rights in China." That's great stuff, but it doesn't have anything to do with the requirements for the Peace Prize. Besides Liu Xiaobo was a big supporter of the Iraq War as well as the Cold War Proxy Wars like Korea and Vietnam. He wrote that they were the "best examples of how war should be conducted in a modern civilization." Peace Prize. Seems legit.
 
2012-10-23 06:09:17 PM
While I have to say that I'm pretty sure Oh Bama's? a Bilderberg plant, where were these guys during 9/11, the Bush wars-of-choice, rampant fraud in the mortgage biz, which gave us the meltdown. Katrina? What? It took a black face in the White House to singe their afterburners?
 
2012-10-23 06:12:05 PM

Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.


While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

If he was white, he'd just be a dirty Socialist Marxist scum. But, he's always the secret Muslim Socialist Marxist
scum, or other 'code words' that people know are polite shorthand for "Attractive And Successful African American."
 
2012-10-23 06:31:13 PM

DjangoStonereaver: While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.


Of course. He broke the uncontested, 200+ year rule of old, rich, white anglo-saxon protestant men (and one irish catholic).

I mean, just look at that pattern:

addisonrd.com

To them, that's the motherfarking end times.
 
2012-10-23 06:33:54 PM
FTA - "As an anthropologist, I conducted fieldwork for two years in the Tea Party movement, among two grassroots groups in California and among professional conservative operatives in Washington, D.C."

Fieldwork in California and Washington D.C. for the TEA Party? You're a pretty shiat anthropologist, eh?

Ever think of visiting... oh, I don't know... Kansas, maybe? Oklahoma? Texas? Indiana?

It's considered a "heartland" movement of the "Real AmericansTM" in "flyover country," and you did your "fieldwork" on the coasts?

Well, go ahead and keep telling everyone else how wrong they are, you clearly did your due diligence.
 
2012-10-23 06:37:50 PM
" edited by the Berkeley sociologist Lawrence Rosenthal and the Berkeley political scientist Christine Trost, opens with an argument by Charles Postel, an historian at San Francisco State."

Yeah. Isn't this kind of like a council of bishops trying to understand anarchic atheism?
 
2012-10-23 06:42:08 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.

While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

If he was white, he'd just be a dirty Socialist Marxist scum. But, he's always the secret Muslim Socialist Marxist
scum, or other 'code words' that people know are polite shorthand for "Attractive And Successful African American."


I'm still a bit stunned by a FWD:fwd message I received today from an attractive and successful Ango-American. Who knows me, my politics and my tolerance limits well. Must have gotten a fat thumb with the forwarding. It was basically a crude KKK sort of racial hatred statement that I won't dignify with further description. Don't underestimate that sort of crazed fury going on.
 
2012-10-23 06:42:13 PM

technicolor-misfit: Fieldwork in California and Washington D.C. for the TEA Party? You're a pretty shiat anthropologist, eh?


I LOL'd.
 
2012-10-23 06:43:08 PM
Tea Party? Easily frightened old white people who enjoy hating things. They claim to love America, but the more you talk to them, the more you realize they hate pretty much everyone in the country.
 
2012-10-23 06:43:51 PM
The tea party was a movement before Fox News started sending their reporter to different regions of the country to report on this movement.

Back then I understand it was more a Liberterian movement, some freaks dressing up in 200 year old garb, others wanting lower taxes, less government, more civil liberties.

Then we have Fox news sponsoring it and then the movement changed to a different animal, protesting a president that they didn't elect.

Any report that fails to acknowledge the difference between the pre-2009 movement and the post 2009 I can't respect.
 
2012-10-23 06:44:56 PM

SoupJohnB: DjangoStonereaver: Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.

While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

If he was white, he'd just be a dirty Socialist Marxist scum. But, he's always the secret Muslim Socialist Marxist
scum, or other 'code words' that people know are polite shorthand for "Attractive And Successful African American."

I'm still a bit stunned by a FWD:fwd message I received today from an attractive and successful Ango-American. Who knows me, my politics and my tolerance limits well. Must have gotten a fat thumb with the forwarding. It was ...


"Anglo," I know.
 
2012-10-23 06:51:47 PM

Ishkur: DjangoStonereaver: While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

Of course. He broke the uncontested, 200+ year rule of old, rich, white anglo-saxon protestant men (and one irish catholic).

I mean, just look at that pattern:

addisonrd.com

To them, that's the motherfarking end times.




*COMBO BREAKER*
 
2012-10-23 06:54:43 PM
They're also all a bunch of self-deluded heroes. Seriously every Tea Partier I know considers themselves a true freedom-loving American patriot fighting against a nation of evil 2 dimensional Ayn Rand villains. All my Tea Party friends seem to believe they're the only ones in this country who want to be rich and successful. I've never met a group of people more impressed with themselves.

Contrast this with my OWS friends who are largely cynical mopes.
 
2012-10-23 06:57:40 PM

Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.


images2.dailykos.com

www.agileproductdesign.com

Like really?
 
2012-10-23 06:59:47 PM
Tea Party: A bunch of dim bulb political puppets who can't spell "potato" despite eating it during every meal at McDonald's.
 
2012-10-23 06:59:59 PM
I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it applies here, too.
I read an article a week or two ago about the political divide in this country; some folks will always vote D no matter what, some folks will always vote R no matter what. Which, according to the article, leaves about 10% truly independent, and those folks tend to be the least informed.
They had a handful of interviews with people on both sides of the divide, asking why they affiliate with certain parties.
One guy on the R side stood out to me. He was the stereotypical angry old white man in a pin-bedecked VFW cap. Very conservative, hates liberals and everything they stand for, always votes R, liberals are ruining the country. Turns out, he's a retired union worker, union member for 40 years. But he hates unions. Sure, it was OK when he was getting higher wages, health insurance, retirement benefits from his union, but now they're a symbol of everything wrong with this country. And he hates how all our jobs are being off-shored, sent overseas; thinks we need to keep jobs here at home instead of shipping them off to China. Which is why he's voting for Romney.

Go figure.
 
2012-10-23 07:23:54 PM
How much work does it take to say "Republicans put on funny hats."?
 
2012-10-23 07:23:59 PM

I Browse: That article had a lot of words. I think I can sum it up better this way:

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Very nice, Right to the point, in pictures!
 
2012-10-23 07:47:04 PM

links136: Like really?


yes
 
2012-10-23 08:18:43 PM
I'm one of those voters who's not so much supporting Obama and the Dems than I am doing what I can to try and stop the GOP from dragging us back into the 19th century.

As for the Teabaggers, I think we all know that God help us, should Mittens win, the entire "movement" would vanish without a trace.
 
2012-10-23 08:29:12 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-23 08:41:34 PM

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


Pay attention, and apply everything you just said to this thread:

I'm voting for Romney.

/watch, Daniel-san
 
2012-10-23 09:02:06 PM

Metaluna Mutant: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 850x637]


You forgot "xenophobia" and scapegoating middle-eastern religions.
 
2012-10-23 09:43:45 PM

hubiestubert: The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.

The tax issue is a dodge. It is about getting folks on board to vote against their own interests, and to limit competition in the market. That isn't good for the nation. It isn't good for business either. We are watching the markets contract the number of players, and throw cash overseas as opposed to keeping it here, or using it here. We need local investment. We need more competition in the markets. We need more small business owners. We need to encourage folks to start up businesses that will use local distribution nets, that will serve local markets, because they will conserve cash into those communities, as opposed to shipping out to banks far and away from where the cash was spent. It has never been a trickle down, but always been trickle up. The policies we see advocated are about serving the largest players, and eliminating local players that might keep the cash circulating a bit longer before heading upstream. It WILL do that, but at a slower rate with more competition in the markets, and that is really what the largest players fear. That they won't get their cut as quickly, so that they can ship it out.


Pretty much this.

You can find the roots of the Teahadists not in the 1990's, but in the original conservative movement, back when Buckley first put it together. Back then, defeating the Communists was the ONLY thing that mattered to them, it was the heart and soul of conservatism. When the USSR collapsed in 1991, however, the conservatives didn't really "win"--because they didn't defeat Communism, it just died. So throughout the 90's, conservatives looked for a new enemy to fight--even while various liberal causes and civil rights movements gained ascendancy. The Tea Parties coalesced to fight these new enemies just as 9/11 happened, and what should have been a moment for us all to become Americans instead became a moment for us all to hate Islam--a subtle difference, but very important.

It went hand-in-hand with the new power brokers who wanted to buy low and sell high and needed something to distract the hoipolloi; you can see the same thing happening in the 2000's when industry and PMCs made zillions fighting "radical Islam" as happened in the early 1960's, when military and aerospace contractors made billions fighting the commies and sold the public on the threat. Spice it up with some religion, patriotism and ultranationalism, and really, things aren't much different today than they were in 1953.
 
2012-10-23 11:31:54 PM

Diogenes: I'm more interested in the results from the Thirty Helens study.

[killerbunnies.com image 480x344] 

"Thirty Helens agree...Teabaggers are dumber than a sack of rocks."


If a helen is the amount of feminine beauty needed to launch a thousand ships, well...sorry, I don't see that here.

/Right about the teabaggers
 
2012-10-23 11:33:44 PM

Metaluna Mutant: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 850x637]


Nazischweine: hates them feelthy Joos
Teabaggers: hates them feelthy Mooselimbs; lurv themselves some Joos, as long as they're in Israel

Other than that, yeah, they're a lot alike.
 
2012-10-24 12:08:23 AM

Lsherm: Pay attention, and apply everything you just said to this thread:

I'm voting for Romney.

/watch, Daniel-san


What? We're supposed to call you a racist now or something? What do you think is gonna happen here?
 
2012-10-24 12:27:28 AM

Citrate1007: I can do it in 6 words: Uneducated Schizophrenic Narcissistic Fascist Racist Hypocrites


Mom?
 
2012-10-24 01:11:05 AM

propasaurus: hat? We're supposed to call you a racist now or something? What do you think is gonna happen here?


Nothing. It already happened. Read the thread.

It's amazing to see active prejudicial behavior after it's in effect, because the perpetrators don't understand they are the ones doing it. They think they are justified, which is pretty much a prerequisite for it.
 
2012-10-24 02:15:56 AM

Ishkur: links136: Like really?

yes


I mostly mean my point of white people being the only ones in america for centuries
 
2012-10-24 02:45:00 AM

links136: I mostly mean my point of white people being the only ones in america for centuries


I'm not making that assertion. They are.

/because the indians don't count
//none of them were any founding fathers
 
2012-10-24 04:10:48 AM

Lsherm: propasaurus: hat? We're supposed to call you a racist now or something? What do you think is gonna happen here?

Nothing. It already happened. Read the thread.

It's amazing to see active prejudicial behavior after it's in effect, because the perpetrators don't understand they are the ones doing it. They think they are justified, which is pretty much a prerequisite for it.


Some of us do know we're doing it. I am fully aware of my prejudice against moronic stupidity.

When you said, "I'm voting for Romney" and then invited readers of your post to watch what happens, it seems you may have been trying to bait the "magic underwear" type of fringe leftist, but I think you might be missing the point. The left has its extremists, but they're rarely given the mic and they're not the Democratic Party's base.

The Tea Party represents a significant portion of the Republican Party's base, and the derision they receive is based on what they've actually done and said, often repeatedly.
 
2012-10-24 09:59:23 AM

TheMysticS: Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.


I dunno. Five words seemed to convey a lot.

ultraholland: They're a farking walking contradiction.

They're pants-wetting pansies.

There.


They're a walking disaster, they're a Demolition, Man.
 
2012-10-24 10:03:15 AM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


Oh, we can allow it, alright.

It just is plainly apparent that that is not the case in the current instance.
 
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