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2012-10-23 02:22:35 PM
Hitchens already nailed it a long time ago: Link
 
2012-10-23 02:23:10 PM

RedPhoenix122: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news Koch Industries. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.


TheBlackrose: Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.


Actually, it was started by freepers. They chose the ‶Teabag" name, even after being warned by their own as to what that term meant. They deliberately used the term anyway (the linked Freeper thread is from February 20, 2009, before any Tea Party protests, and months before Anderson Cooper would say his famous ‶teabagging" line), thinking that the sexual connotation would be applied to their enemies, not to themselves.
www.bradblog.com
⇑ Look carefully at the lower right corners of the posters. ⇑
Yep, the very same Freepers who posted in that thread made,
and are holding, those signs at that first Tea Party protest!
 
2012-10-23 02:23:11 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.


I bet when she talks she sounds fat
 
2012-10-23 02:24:46 PM
They're religious zealots who who fear Creeping Sharia.

They're strict capitalists who want government out of their Medicare.

They're fiscally responsible patriots who have no understanding of finance.

They're the people who carry their guns in protest after Obama signs a bill expanding gun rights.

They're fools who embrace and proudly exercise the right to be ignorant.

They're a farking walking contradiction.

They're pants-wetting pansies.

There.
 
2012-10-23 02:26:53 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.


cdn2.hark.com
 
2012-10-23 02:32:52 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Using a taxpayer-funded Hoveround to travel to the rally against government spending? THAT is what you're trying to explain?


Funny you should mention scooters.
Scooters are a half billion dollar industry, mostly from Medicare.
You know who owns The Scooter Store? Marc Leder's Sun Capital. Marc Leder is the guy who hosted the fundraiser where Mitt made his "47%" comment.
Guess who one of the investors is in Sun Capital?
Solamere, which is the equity group started (with $10million from Mitt) by Tagg Romney and Mitt's largest fundraiser.
 
2012-10-23 02:40:55 PM

I'm what the leaders of the Tea Party would call a RINO: Republican in Name Only. And that's ironic because that's exactly what I think about the leaders of the Tea Party. Because the most conservative Republicans today aren't Republicans.

Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work but that there are way too many costing way too much, that don't. We believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism. The Tea Party believes in loving America but hating Americans. T

They believe in loving America, but hating its government.

And they believe that anybody who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-American motives.


Most of all, you must never, under any circumstance, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent. Or do any of what Democrats and genuine Republicans both call 'governing.'

And one other plank in the Tea Party platform. If you are poor, it means that you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. Here's Andre Bauer, Tea Party Leader and the Lt. Governor of South Carolina [Bauer's Words McAvoy Read's]: My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed."

It's almost hard to believe that Republicans can't get Dorothy Cooper to vote for them.

During Tea Party rallys and in campaign speeches, we've been told that America has been founded as a Christian nation and if the founding fathers were here today, they'd tell us so. Here's John Adams in the treaty of Tripoli: "As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." And here's Thomas Jefferson: "...that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions." And here's the first amendment to the US Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

What's more frightening than the perversion of our great history is that sensible strong smart Republicans, the very men and women who should be standing up to radical fundamentalism, are so frightened in losing primary battles to religious zealots that they've thrown in the towel on sanity.

It's ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn't Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It's this man. [image of Jesus Christ displays]. He said 'Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. '

Ideological purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
Denying science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
A demonization of education
A need to control women's bodies
Severe xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
A pathological hatred of the US government


They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican's certainly shouldn't. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban.


Video
 
2012-10-23 02:41:50 PM
That article had a lot of words. I think I can sum it up better this way:

earthisland.com


4.bp.blogspot.com


www.neckofstate.com


www.esquire.com

static.guim.co.uk

3.bp.blogspot.com



www.pankmagazine.com
 
2012-10-23 02:44:14 PM
Now a collection of academic essays, Steep: The Precipitous Rise of the Tea Party, attempts to provide such an "informed and profound understanding."

*tries really hard to keep a straight face*
 
2012-10-23 02:46:50 PM
Out of simple curiosity, I've been doing a lot of self-studying recently on the rise, power and fall of the Soviet Union. The similarities between the rise of Lenin and the Bolsheviks and the rise of the Tea Party are eerily similar.

For instance, I recently learned that post-Czar, the Russians actually had a democratically led congress. The Bolsheviks (whose name means majority but were actually a minority) over-threw the elected Congress in many of the same tactics the Tea Party are using right now in Congress.

There was obviously a lot more detail going on back then, but I have found myself going "hmmmm" several times when I read about Lenin.
 
2012-10-23 02:52:30 PM
One of the best descriptions of the Tea Party I've come across:

"Movements like the Tea Party more than anything else reflect a widespread longing for simpler times and simpler solutions - just throw the U.S. Constitution at the whole mess and everything will be jake. For immigration, build a big fence. Abolish the Federal Reserve, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. At times the overt longing for simple answers that you get from Tea Party leaders is so earnest and touching, it almost makes you forget how insane most of them are....One of the key psychological characteristics of the Tea Party is its oxymoronic love of authority figures coupled with a narcissistic celebration of its own 'revolutionary' defiance....The Tea Party movement is not without some very legitimate grievances. But its origins - going back to Santelli's rant - are steeped in a gigantic exercise in delusional self-worship."
 
2012-10-23 02:52:47 PM

propasaurus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Using a taxpayer-funded Hoveround to travel to the rally against government spending? THAT is what you're trying to explain?

Funny you should mention scooters.
Scooters are a half billion dollar industry, mostly from Medicare.
You know who owns The Scooter Store? Marc Leder's Sun Capital. Marc Leder is the guy who hosted the fundraiser where Mitt made his "47%" comment.
Guess who one of the investors is in Sun Capital?
Solamere, which is the equity group started (with $10million from Mitt) by Tagg Romney and Mitt's largest fundraiser.


Ahh, so Romney and his pals are ripping off the government AGAIN.
 
2012-10-23 02:53:03 PM
Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.
 
2012-10-23 02:56:14 PM
Why did they just concentrate on whether the tebaggers were populist?

The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

Nativism here means when earlier immigrants think they are the True Americans while later immigrants are not really Americans. (The Scots-Irish around 1710 were the first un-Americans though now they are a mainstay of the Tea Party).

Baggers ARE largely a group that wants to exclude others from being real Americans.

Large Populists movements are often Nativist but they don't have to be.
 
2012-10-23 02:56:25 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


But only after Jan 1, 2009, of course. Apparently the 8 years prior they were all in a coma.
 
2012-10-23 02:57:24 PM
I think I can answer that question. As an anthropologist,

You're trolling me, aren't you? It may not be entirely intentional You may be extremely obtuse as to what you're doing, but this is trolling.
 
2012-10-23 02:57:47 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: The Tea Party movement is not without some very legitimate grievances. But its origins - going back to Santelli's rant - are steeped in a gigantic exercise in delusional self-worship."


BWA HAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-10-23 02:59:26 PM

mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.


But they are taxed enough already. Reagan raised taxes on them 12 times to offset the 40% tax cuts he gave to the rich.

There is a simple solution to this, of course.
 
2012-10-23 03:01:11 PM

RedPhoenix122: But taxes are socialist! (Psst! Hey, what's a socialist?)


You need to study it out!
 
2012-10-23 03:02:54 PM

Ishkur: mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.

But they are taxed enough already. Reagan raised taxes on them 12 times to offset the 40% tax cuts he gave to the rich.

There is a simple solution to this, of course.


A perfect example of the mythology they build up around their leaders.
 
2012-10-23 03:03:16 PM
I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others. In summary, the article was correct about their being two waves, the first being the more liberatrian and small government. The second, being the ones who took over and co-opted it, i.e. extremist Republicans.

//Really hoping things get better soon
/// Idiocracy might be the most relevant movie of our time.
 
2012-10-23 03:08:09 PM

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


You should be awarded a grant to study the natural habitat of the Rural Teadtardus.
 
2012-10-23 03:09:39 PM

crazydave023: These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue.

I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others.


Great post.
 
2012-10-23 03:10:51 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: over-threw the elected Congress in many of the same tactics the Tea Party are using right now in Congress.


There were two revolutions in 1917. The Kerensky revolution was in February and was focused on ending the war with Germany (which it did, ceding much land and other things) and stabilizing the country with the mass famines and death and misery and such. Kerensky's provisional government (which attempted democratic reforms but wasn't entirely focused on democracy -- it just wanted stability) lasted until October, when there was another revolution by the Communists.

In the fallout from the October revolution, the Communists had had split into the Mensheviks (whites) and Bolsheviks (reds), and they fought a grueling civil war until 1922. The Bolsheviks eventually won. Lenin didn't actually assume power until 1923. Then he died of a brain aneurism in 1924. Things went downhill from there.

/so no, not entirely applicable to the Tea Party
//but I see your point
 
2012-10-23 03:12:04 PM

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


They are part of the "gimme" generation and they are pissed because they didn't get theirs. Obviously it is the government's fault.
 
2012-10-23 03:12:32 PM

Headso: Cuthbert Allgood: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.

I bet when she talks she sounds fat


B word fat. "I bhhhought the bhhraclet at bhhaily bhhanks and bhhhiggles"
 
2012-10-23 03:14:02 PM
i.e.... he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others. In summary, the article was correct about their being two waves, the first being the more liberatrian and small government. The second, being the ones who took over and co-opted it, i.e. extremist Republicans.

//Really hoping things get better soon
/// Idiocracy might be the most relevant movie of our time.


You and me both, baby, you and me both.
 
2012-10-23 03:15:30 PM

Makh: I have to add to this, JBS. So I like his stance on freedom of speech and I really thought he was going somewhere with that. However, then he gets into Obamacare and how it's the UN and Communist way of taking over other countries. Because the healthcare systems of all of the other countries need to be compatible with each other.

Hold the farking fort. There is the possibility of truly universal healthcare where you can get sick in any country and because you paid into your system at home, it's all free, subsidized or taken care of in this other country? And he want's us to fight against it? I didn't think humanity had that kind of foresight.


Some background: In the EU countries that offer socialized healthcare systems have a reciprocity agreement with each other, so when people travel within the EU they're covered by the system of the country they are in.

It's rather nice.
 
2012-10-23 03:15:59 PM

GAT_00: Old pissed off whites who are mad that a black man is President.


Well, to give them a bit of credit, the Democrats have done really nothing for them. But that's because no one can do anything for them: they're hosed. They're old and stupid, their jobs have been shipped overseas, and they're not coming back. But voting for a guy who actually SHIPPED their jobs overseas? That's nuts.
 
2012-10-23 03:16:46 PM

TheBlackrose: TheMysticS: TheMysticS: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.


=^]
 
2012-10-23 03:17:06 PM
They're radical fascists, full stop. There is nothing farking else to say.
 
2012-10-23 03:18:08 PM

TheMysticS: TheBlackrose: TheMysticS: TheMysticS: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.

=^]


My haiku sux.

It was inadvertent.
 
2012-10-23 03:19:31 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.



You mean I should really care about what people who are, as a group, old and uneducated, think?
 
2012-10-23 03:19:36 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


Before 2008 I was considered a moderate Republican, a major supporter of the military and a backer of pre-fundie McCain and upstanding Republicans like Bob Dole. Now I'm called a "libtard" or "RINO."

The difference? I don't give in to the astroturf Tea Party nonsense. A lot of the people who consider themselves "Tea Party" are fine and just human beings with real grievances and a desire for specific changes in policy, but the political unit they associate themselves with is mostly the modern incarnation of the Moral Majority financially backed by Fox News and other mega-corporations.

The platform of tax and job reform, along with entitlement reform, no longer exists as a legislative agenda: it's a war in the eyes of those leading the party. It's an all or nothing, militaristic, threatening tantrum that ignores any real governance in favor of outrage and hate. It's sad, and it's essentially not American. These people running the Tea Party want us fighting our neighbors, calling our siblings and friends as enemies and threats. They think any view that isn't theirs is an assault and must be quashed.

We are all Americans. Stop treating people who think differently as enemies and instead think of them as Americans. We don't have to agree to get along and compromise.
 
2012-10-23 03:23:44 PM

HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.


This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.
 
2012-10-23 03:24:34 PM

Makh: It's ok, most peace prizes go to communists or socialists.


Or war mongers, mass murderers, or organizations that do not fit the description given by Nobel as to who should win the prize.

The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.

The person, not the EU, the IPCC, etc. And what the hell many of the Peace Prize recipients do to reduce the size of armies?
 
2012-10-23 03:29:45 PM
Like crazydave, I have noticed there do seem to be two types of Tea Partiers: an older, more nativist set, and a younger, more libertarian set.
 
2012-10-23 03:30:54 PM

crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.


Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.
 
2012-10-23 03:38:04 PM

crazydave023: //Really hoping things get better soon


Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse before they get any better. Count on it.
 
2012-10-23 03:49:59 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


No, what you've noticed is Democrats pointing out that, no matter how unhappy they may be with Obama, Romney is much much worse.
 
2012-10-23 03:51:54 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


Well, my observation is that it's a relative lack of criticism. The problem is that there is so much critical noise coming from the GOP, that any legitimate criticism from the Democrat side seems miniscule. The problem with the Tea Party folks, is that they willingly entrenched themselves in the middle of a stream of incredible disinformation. Until they are willing to step out of that stream and take a fair and balanced, instead of "Fair and Balanced", view of things, they are stuck in their current mode of anger and uselessness.
 
2012-10-23 03:58:07 PM
my 0h-brother-in-law is one of 'em

/that's all i need to know
 
2012-10-23 04:01:19 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


What a completely disingenuous statement.

No, I'm not going to address it. Not until you rephrase it into something worth responding to. Yeah, I went there.
 
2012-10-23 04:02:42 PM

Ishkur: mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.

But they are taxed enough already. Reagan raised taxes on them 12 times to offset the 40% tax cuts he gave to the rich.

There is a simple solution to this, of course.


A Second Amendment solution? Or a final solution?
 
2012-10-23 04:03:55 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


What's there to actually criticize? We understand why this country is in the sh*tter, and what you're not facing is that this administration has kept this country together in the past 4 years.

I really don't think you even want to understand it. Because it means "progress" and you have a track record of hating that.
 
2012-10-23 04:06:28 PM
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2012-10-23 04:08:00 PM

ghare: jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.

No, what you've noticed is Democrats pointing out that, no matter how unhappy they may be with Obama, Romney is much much worse.


Amen to that! I'm sick of the republicans for putting me in the position to have to perpetually defend Obama on BS issues that make me sound like the libbiest lib that ever libbed a lib. I have what I feel are legitimate grievances with Obama on warrantless wiretapping, the war in afghanistan, the war on drugs, etc. I swear on high I am a conservative person. I'm a straight white male with a wife and kids and a job I've had for 12 years, short hair, no tattoos, a house, and a gun. I pay my taxes, obey most laws, and otherwise mind my on freakin business. But the right wingers today are so far off the script that I sound like a got dang marxist, and I know that's how they look at me. Are you guys serious? I'm not a farking leftist, you're just farking crazy! Your policies don't match your stated principles!! How can you not see this?!!?
 
2012-10-23 04:08:41 PM

jigger: The person, not the EU, the IPCC, etc.


Oh horrors the IPCC.

And what the hell many of the Peace Prize recipients do to reduce the size of armies?

We're out of Iraq and Afghanistan we're out by 2014. I think that involves "reducing the size of armies" in a very high-profile example.

Thanks for the threadjack, though.
 
2012-10-23 04:15:44 PM

Sczi: I have what I feel are legitimate grievances with Obama on warrantless wiretapping, the war in afghanistan, the war on drugs, etc.


We all find ourselves criticizing that. But the reality is that this country has slid to the right substantially in the past 15 years, and this is what we've got.

Didn't you watch the debates last night? Obama is going to fund education and tax the 1%. The sinister nefarious NSA shiat is out of his hands, really. The focus should be on slowly pulling out of the crap the Bush administration set up for us.

And it's going to take a lot more public participation and support to end things like PATRIOT, Guantanamo or warrantless wiretapping.

Bonus: Count on all three being aggressively used or upheld if the Republican Party takes even more power next November.
 
2012-10-23 04:21:52 PM
Ugh, don't remind me. I don't even see much news that even approaches my grievances, I'm just hoping to avoid another 4/8 year landslide of derp, and if that means hitching up to Obama's wagon, then it's just going to have to be the lesser evil. Statistically speaking, you do get less evil that way.
 
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