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2012-10-23 10:30:35 AM
Really? Ten of them to understand undereducated, lower middle class white people afraid of the Black Man and The Gays? They could've just asked, well, anyone.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:14 AM
What's there to research in order to define? They're Republicans, only, louder and stupider.
 
2012-10-23 10:39:24 AM
Angry racist scared and often poor white people from mostly rural areas where there are no cultures other than their own.

And the rich white men who exploit them for political gain.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:17 AM
Oh let's see how the John Birch Society is doing. Oh goodie their top story is on the communist president of the EU commission.

According to the video, he won't go into detail but the president of the EU commission was part of the Communist Terrorist Underground who was trained in China as a Maoist.

Link

It's ok, most peace prizes go to communists or socialists.
 
2012-10-23 10:54:17 AM
I have to add to this, JBS. So I like his stance on freedom of speech and I really thought he was going somewhere with that. However, then he gets into Obamacare and how it's the UN and Communist way of taking over other countries. Because the healthcare systems of all of the other countries need to be compatible with each other.

Hold the farking fort. There is the possibility of truly universal healthcare where you can get sick in any country and because you paid into your system at home, it's all free, subsidized or taken care of in this other country? And he want's us to fight against it? I didn't think humanity had that kind of foresight.
 
2012-10-23 10:56:55 AM
1. He's black
2. A little education is a dangerous thing
3. He's black
4. 'Taxation without representation' and 'Don't Tread On Me' sure make nifty slogans
5. He's black

It's not really that complicated.
 
2012-10-23 10:59:21 AM
The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.
 
2012-10-23 11:02:19 AM
Old pissed off whites who are mad that a black man is President.
 
2012-10-23 11:07:17 AM
I'm more interested in the results from the Thirty Helens study.

killerbunnies.com 

"Thirty Helens agree...Teabaggers are dumber than a sack of rocks."
 
2012-10-23 11:15:32 AM
Using a taxpayer-funded Hoveround to travel to the rally against government spending? THAT is what you're trying to explain?
 
2012-10-23 11:41:35 AM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

"Listen, and understand. The Tea Party is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with.
It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you accept that
George W. Bush was the greatest President this country ever had."
 
2012-10-23 11:47:59 AM

DjangoStonereaver: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 386x260]

"Listen, and understand. The Tea Party is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with.
It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you accept that
George W. Bush was the greatest President this country ever had."


I thought Reagan was the Tea Party favorite?
 
2012-10-23 11:48:29 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news Koch Industries. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

 
2012-10-23 11:53:12 AM

Cythraul: I thought Reagan was the Tea Party favorite?


Nah, he's a RINO
 
2012-10-23 11:56:28 AM

SurfaceTension: Cythraul: I thought Reagan was the Tea Party favorite?

Nah, he's a RINO


They only take the points that agree with them and ignore the rest of what he said. Just like they do with Jesus.
 
2012-10-23 12:02:14 PM
Take a bunch of low-information voters, add a bunch of racist dog-whistles, throw in a ton of fear of immigrants and new taxes, and bam. There's your recipe for the Tea Party.
 
2012-10-23 12:03:19 PM
Nice book cover. Here's a more accurate one:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-23 12:12:49 PM
All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.
 
2012-10-23 12:15:17 PM

mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.


But taxes are socialist! (Psst! Hey, what's a socialist?)
 
2012-10-23 12:25:47 PM

RedPhoenix122: But taxes are socialist! (Psst! Hey, what's a socialist?)


It's when black, Muslim men from Kenya come to our exceptional country and try to tell us what to do.
 
2012-10-23 12:27:25 PM

Cythraul: It's when black, Muslim men from Kenya come to our exceptional country and try to tell us what to do take away our guns.

 
2012-10-23 12:38:13 PM
Evangelical Abortion Activists
 
2012-10-23 12:42:55 PM

DjangoStonereaver: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 386x260]

"Listen, and understand. The Tea Party is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with.
It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you accept that
George W. Bush was Sarah Palin would have been the greatest President this country ever had if she hadn't been robbed by that black guy."

 
2012-10-23 12:43:53 PM
No mention of Bob Altemeyer?

Link
 
2012-10-23 12:49:48 PM

impaler: No mention of Bob Altemeyer?


Was my first thought, too. Add a link to his page including both his comment on the Tea Party and his free PDF E-book "The Authoritarians".
 
2012-10-23 12:52:52 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Nice book cover. Here's a more accurate one:

[i.imgur.com image 220x330]


Damn. I was hoping that was the real name of the book. I was going to order it post-haste.
 
2012-10-23 01:29:26 PM
The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.

The tax issue is a dodge. It is about getting folks on board to vote against their own interests, and to limit competition in the market. That isn't good for the nation. It isn't good for business either. We are watching the markets contract the number of players, and throw cash overseas as opposed to keeping it here, or using it here. We need local investment. We need more competition in the markets. We need more small business owners. We need to encourage folks to start up businesses that will use local distribution nets, that will serve local markets, because they will conserve cash into those communities, as opposed to shipping out to banks far and away from where the cash was spent. It has never been a trickle down, but always been trickle up. The policies we see advocated are about serving the largest players, and eliminating local players that might keep the cash circulating a bit longer before heading upstream. It WILL do that, but at a slower rate with more competition in the markets, and that is really what the largest players fear. That they won't get their cut as quickly, so that they can ship it out.
 
2012-10-23 01:59:42 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.


Your first five words would have covered it
 
2012-10-23 01:59:59 PM
It is a 50/50 mix of hate and stupidity.
 
2012-10-23 02:00:15 PM
They're Republicans that don't want to admit to being Republicans. They will get fussy over Democrats in power and then suddenly hush up when Republicans come back. Just imagine the GOP elephant with Groucho glasses and those silly teabag hats saying "Me? No, I don't like Republicans."
 
2012-10-23 02:00:25 PM
Tea Baggers are totally taxed enough already and that's why they are fighting tooth and nail to preserve the payroll tax cut, amirite??
 
2012-10-23 02:00:34 PM
As soon as the Tea Party movement began, so did the war to define it.

Oh, fark off.
 
2012-10-23 02:02:22 PM

TheMysticS: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

Your first five words would have covered it


Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!
 
2012-10-23 02:03:33 PM
Since a few people have already mentioned that President Obama has a little more pigment in his skin than any previous president, I'll throw out there that he's a Democrat and not a Republican. Those two factors pretty much explain it all.
 
2012-10-23 02:04:20 PM
It's been said on Fark a million times and it sums up the Tea Party best.

"Both sides are bad, so vote Republican."
 
2012-10-23 02:04:56 PM
Post-Bush embarrassed Republicans.

/what do I win?
 
2012-10-23 02:05:03 PM
cosmiccomicslv.com

"Time to spread the word. And the word is FEAR."

/you'd be afraid too if you were looking at a president that you truly believe symbolized everything you know and love coming to an end
 
2012-10-23 02:05:52 PM
 
2012-10-23 02:05:56 PM
Same repackaged Republican bullshiat that's been floating around for decades, only with more volume and histrionics to convince the low-info voter that they're not just voting for the same ol' same ol' because they hate that nig socialist in the White House, they love FREEDOM and they're PART OF SOMETHING REVOLUTIONARY!!!! These are the same idiots who probably lose a lot of sleep over that banner ad on Fark, thinking if they stay up late, they'll get to have a date with Michele Bachmann.

Who needs 10 people to figure that one out?
 
2012-10-23 02:07:30 PM

TheMysticS: TheMysticS: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!


Hurry is two syllables.
 
2012-10-23 02:09:41 PM
Who needs researchers? The tag explains the tea party just fine. Good work subby.
 
2012-10-23 02:10:05 PM

hubiestubert: The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.




This, the metaphor has been made several times regarding the TeaTards, but it still applies; Frankenstein always turns on his master.
 
2012-10-23 02:12:37 PM
s7.postimage.org
i.imgur.com 

s14.postimage.org
TV rots your brains!

/they're a media cult: they gain identity, distrust outsiders, emotionally defend the 'teachings,' and discourage conversation. Speak against the cult message and you're shunned by your 'friends.'
 
2012-10-23 02:14:58 PM

verbaltoxin: It's been said on Fark a million times and it sums up the Tea Party best.

"Both sides are bad, so vote Republican."


To late , I voted for Kang.
 
2012-10-23 02:16:49 PM
I can do it in 6 words: Uneducated Schizophrenic Narcissistic Fascist Racist Hypocrites
 
2012-10-23 02:17:47 PM

Citrate1007: I can do it in 6 words: Uneducated Schizophrenic Narcissistic Fascist Racist Hypocrites


You said "Republican" a few times there.
 
2012-10-23 02:18:22 PM
WE GET IT THEIR NOT BLACK
 
2012-10-23 02:18:28 PM
s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
Tea Party, circa 1870.
 
2012-10-23 02:19:30 PM
i.ytimg.com


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.
 
2012-10-23 02:20:38 PM

JolobinSmokin: WE GET IT THEIR NOT BLACK


Race card, poor grammar...yup, typical Teabagger.
 
2012-10-23 02:22:35 PM
Hitchens already nailed it a long time ago: Link
 
2012-10-23 02:23:10 PM

RedPhoenix122: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news Koch Industries. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.


TheBlackrose: Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.


Actually, it was started by freepers. They chose the ‶Teabag" name, even after being warned by their own as to what that term meant. They deliberately used the term anyway (the linked Freeper thread is from February 20, 2009, before any Tea Party protests, and months before Anderson Cooper would say his famous ‶teabagging" line), thinking that the sexual connotation would be applied to their enemies, not to themselves.
www.bradblog.com
⇑ Look carefully at the lower right corners of the posters. ⇑
Yep, the very same Freepers who posted in that thread made,
and are holding, those signs at that first Tea Party protest!
 
2012-10-23 02:23:11 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.


I bet when she talks she sounds fat
 
2012-10-23 02:24:46 PM
They're religious zealots who who fear Creeping Sharia.

They're strict capitalists who want government out of their Medicare.

They're fiscally responsible patriots who have no understanding of finance.

They're the people who carry their guns in protest after Obama signs a bill expanding gun rights.

They're fools who embrace and proudly exercise the right to be ignorant.

They're a farking walking contradiction.

They're pants-wetting pansies.

There.
 
2012-10-23 02:26:53 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.


cdn2.hark.com
 
2012-10-23 02:32:52 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Using a taxpayer-funded Hoveround to travel to the rally against government spending? THAT is what you're trying to explain?


Funny you should mention scooters.
Scooters are a half billion dollar industry, mostly from Medicare.
You know who owns The Scooter Store? Marc Leder's Sun Capital. Marc Leder is the guy who hosted the fundraiser where Mitt made his "47%" comment.
Guess who one of the investors is in Sun Capital?
Solamere, which is the equity group started (with $10million from Mitt) by Tagg Romney and Mitt's largest fundraiser.
 
2012-10-23 02:40:55 PM

I'm what the leaders of the Tea Party would call a RINO: Republican in Name Only. And that's ironic because that's exactly what I think about the leaders of the Tea Party. Because the most conservative Republicans today aren't Republicans.

Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work but that there are way too many costing way too much, that don't. We believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism. The Tea Party believes in loving America but hating Americans. T

They believe in loving America, but hating its government.

And they believe that anybody who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-American motives.


Most of all, you must never, under any circumstance, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent. Or do any of what Democrats and genuine Republicans both call 'governing.'

And one other plank in the Tea Party platform. If you are poor, it means that you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. Here's Andre Bauer, Tea Party Leader and the Lt. Governor of South Carolina [Bauer's Words McAvoy Read's]: My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed."

It's almost hard to believe that Republicans can't get Dorothy Cooper to vote for them.

During Tea Party rallys and in campaign speeches, we've been told that America has been founded as a Christian nation and if the founding fathers were here today, they'd tell us so. Here's John Adams in the treaty of Tripoli: "As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." And here's Thomas Jefferson: "...that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions." And here's the first amendment to the US Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

What's more frightening than the perversion of our great history is that sensible strong smart Republicans, the very men and women who should be standing up to radical fundamentalism, are so frightened in losing primary battles to religious zealots that they've thrown in the towel on sanity.

It's ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn't Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It's this man. [image of Jesus Christ displays]. He said 'Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. '

Ideological purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
Denying science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
A demonization of education
A need to control women's bodies
Severe xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
A pathological hatred of the US government


They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican's certainly shouldn't. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban.


Video
 
2012-10-23 02:41:50 PM
That article had a lot of words. I think I can sum it up better this way:

earthisland.com


4.bp.blogspot.com


www.neckofstate.com


www.esquire.com

static.guim.co.uk

3.bp.blogspot.com



www.pankmagazine.com
 
2012-10-23 02:44:14 PM
Now a collection of academic essays, Steep: The Precipitous Rise of the Tea Party, attempts to provide such an "informed and profound understanding."

*tries really hard to keep a straight face*
 
2012-10-23 02:46:50 PM
Out of simple curiosity, I've been doing a lot of self-studying recently on the rise, power and fall of the Soviet Union. The similarities between the rise of Lenin and the Bolsheviks and the rise of the Tea Party are eerily similar.

For instance, I recently learned that post-Czar, the Russians actually had a democratically led congress. The Bolsheviks (whose name means majority but were actually a minority) over-threw the elected Congress in many of the same tactics the Tea Party are using right now in Congress.

There was obviously a lot more detail going on back then, but I have found myself going "hmmmm" several times when I read about Lenin.
 
2012-10-23 02:52:30 PM
One of the best descriptions of the Tea Party I've come across:

"Movements like the Tea Party more than anything else reflect a widespread longing for simpler times and simpler solutions - just throw the U.S. Constitution at the whole mess and everything will be jake. For immigration, build a big fence. Abolish the Federal Reserve, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Education. At times the overt longing for simple answers that you get from Tea Party leaders is so earnest and touching, it almost makes you forget how insane most of them are....One of the key psychological characteristics of the Tea Party is its oxymoronic love of authority figures coupled with a narcissistic celebration of its own 'revolutionary' defiance....The Tea Party movement is not without some very legitimate grievances. But its origins - going back to Santelli's rant - are steeped in a gigantic exercise in delusional self-worship."
 
2012-10-23 02:52:47 PM

propasaurus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Using a taxpayer-funded Hoveround to travel to the rally against government spending? THAT is what you're trying to explain?

Funny you should mention scooters.
Scooters are a half billion dollar industry, mostly from Medicare.
You know who owns The Scooter Store? Marc Leder's Sun Capital. Marc Leder is the guy who hosted the fundraiser where Mitt made his "47%" comment.
Guess who one of the investors is in Sun Capital?
Solamere, which is the equity group started (with $10million from Mitt) by Tagg Romney and Mitt's largest fundraiser.


Ahh, so Romney and his pals are ripping off the government AGAIN.
 
2012-10-23 02:53:03 PM
Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.
 
2012-10-23 02:56:14 PM
Why did they just concentrate on whether the tebaggers were populist?

The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

Nativism here means when earlier immigrants think they are the True Americans while later immigrants are not really Americans. (The Scots-Irish around 1710 were the first un-Americans though now they are a mainstay of the Tea Party).

Baggers ARE largely a group that wants to exclude others from being real Americans.

Large Populists movements are often Nativist but they don't have to be.
 
2012-10-23 02:56:25 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


But only after Jan 1, 2009, of course. Apparently the 8 years prior they were all in a coma.
 
2012-10-23 02:57:24 PM
I think I can answer that question. As an anthropologist,

You're trolling me, aren't you? It may not be entirely intentional You may be extremely obtuse as to what you're doing, but this is trolling.
 
2012-10-23 02:57:47 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: The Tea Party movement is not without some very legitimate grievances. But its origins - going back to Santelli's rant - are steeped in a gigantic exercise in delusional self-worship."


BWA HAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-10-23 02:59:26 PM

mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.


But they are taxed enough already. Reagan raised taxes on them 12 times to offset the 40% tax cuts he gave to the rich.

There is a simple solution to this, of course.
 
2012-10-23 03:01:11 PM

RedPhoenix122: But taxes are socialist! (Psst! Hey, what's a socialist?)


You need to study it out!
 
2012-10-23 03:02:54 PM

Ishkur: mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.

But they are taxed enough already. Reagan raised taxes on them 12 times to offset the 40% tax cuts he gave to the rich.

There is a simple solution to this, of course.


A perfect example of the mythology they build up around their leaders.
 
2012-10-23 03:03:16 PM
I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others. In summary, the article was correct about their being two waves, the first being the more liberatrian and small government. The second, being the ones who took over and co-opted it, i.e. extremist Republicans.

//Really hoping things get better soon
/// Idiocracy might be the most relevant movie of our time.
 
2012-10-23 03:08:09 PM

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


You should be awarded a grant to study the natural habitat of the Rural Teadtardus.
 
2012-10-23 03:09:39 PM

crazydave023: These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue.

I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others.


Great post.
 
2012-10-23 03:10:51 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: over-threw the elected Congress in many of the same tactics the Tea Party are using right now in Congress.


There were two revolutions in 1917. The Kerensky revolution was in February and was focused on ending the war with Germany (which it did, ceding much land and other things) and stabilizing the country with the mass famines and death and misery and such. Kerensky's provisional government (which attempted democratic reforms but wasn't entirely focused on democracy -- it just wanted stability) lasted until October, when there was another revolution by the Communists.

In the fallout from the October revolution, the Communists had had split into the Mensheviks (whites) and Bolsheviks (reds), and they fought a grueling civil war until 1922. The Bolsheviks eventually won. Lenin didn't actually assume power until 1923. Then he died of a brain aneurism in 1924. Things went downhill from there.

/so no, not entirely applicable to the Tea Party
//but I see your point
 
2012-10-23 03:12:04 PM

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


They are part of the "gimme" generation and they are pissed because they didn't get theirs. Obviously it is the government's fault.
 
2012-10-23 03:12:32 PM

Headso: Cuthbert Allgood: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Their Chairwoman's qualifications: Former Delta flight attendant.

//oh, and Patriot. Forgot that one.

I bet when she talks she sounds fat


B word fat. "I bhhhought the bhhraclet at bhhaily bhhanks and bhhhiggles"
 
2012-10-23 03:14:02 PM
i.e.... he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and they haven't maybe accomplished what they wanted in life so they have have to be angry at others. In summary, the article was correct about their being two waves, the first being the more liberatrian and small government. The second, being the ones who took over and co-opted it, i.e. extremist Republicans.

//Really hoping things get better soon
/// Idiocracy might be the most relevant movie of our time.


You and me both, baby, you and me both.
 
2012-10-23 03:15:30 PM

Makh: I have to add to this, JBS. So I like his stance on freedom of speech and I really thought he was going somewhere with that. However, then he gets into Obamacare and how it's the UN and Communist way of taking over other countries. Because the healthcare systems of all of the other countries need to be compatible with each other.

Hold the farking fort. There is the possibility of truly universal healthcare where you can get sick in any country and because you paid into your system at home, it's all free, subsidized or taken care of in this other country? And he want's us to fight against it? I didn't think humanity had that kind of foresight.


Some background: In the EU countries that offer socialized healthcare systems have a reciprocity agreement with each other, so when people travel within the EU they're covered by the system of the country they are in.

It's rather nice.
 
2012-10-23 03:15:59 PM

GAT_00: Old pissed off whites who are mad that a black man is President.


Well, to give them a bit of credit, the Democrats have done really nothing for them. But that's because no one can do anything for them: they're hosed. They're old and stupid, their jobs have been shipped overseas, and they're not coming back. But voting for a guy who actually SHIPPED their jobs overseas? That's nuts.
 
2012-10-23 03:16:46 PM

TheBlackrose: TheMysticS: TheMysticS: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.


=^]
 
2012-10-23 03:17:06 PM
They're radical fascists, full stop. There is nothing farking else to say.
 
2012-10-23 03:18:08 PM

TheMysticS: TheBlackrose: TheMysticS: TheMysticS: Because People in power are Stupid: The tea party is a "movement" created by Fox news. I remember when they were announcing the "rallies" on April 15 shortly after Bush Mccain lost.

Your first five words would have covered it

Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.
Election! Please hurry!

Hurry is two syllables.

=^]


My haiku sux.

It was inadvertent.
 
2012-10-23 03:19:31 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.



You mean I should really care about what people who are, as a group, old and uneducated, think?
 
2012-10-23 03:19:36 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


Before 2008 I was considered a moderate Republican, a major supporter of the military and a backer of pre-fundie McCain and upstanding Republicans like Bob Dole. Now I'm called a "libtard" or "RINO."

The difference? I don't give in to the astroturf Tea Party nonsense. A lot of the people who consider themselves "Tea Party" are fine and just human beings with real grievances and a desire for specific changes in policy, but the political unit they associate themselves with is mostly the modern incarnation of the Moral Majority financially backed by Fox News and other mega-corporations.

The platform of tax and job reform, along with entitlement reform, no longer exists as a legislative agenda: it's a war in the eyes of those leading the party. It's an all or nothing, militaristic, threatening tantrum that ignores any real governance in favor of outrage and hate. It's sad, and it's essentially not American. These people running the Tea Party want us fighting our neighbors, calling our siblings and friends as enemies and threats. They think any view that isn't theirs is an assault and must be quashed.

We are all Americans. Stop treating people who think differently as enemies and instead think of them as Americans. We don't have to agree to get along and compromise.
 
2012-10-23 03:23:44 PM

HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.


This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.
 
2012-10-23 03:24:34 PM

Makh: It's ok, most peace prizes go to communists or socialists.


Or war mongers, mass murderers, or organizations that do not fit the description given by Nobel as to who should win the prize.

The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.

The person, not the EU, the IPCC, etc. And what the hell many of the Peace Prize recipients do to reduce the size of armies?
 
2012-10-23 03:29:45 PM
Like crazydave, I have noticed there do seem to be two types of Tea Partiers: an older, more nativist set, and a younger, more libertarian set.
 
2012-10-23 03:30:54 PM

crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.


Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.
 
2012-10-23 03:38:04 PM

crazydave023: //Really hoping things get better soon


Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse before they get any better. Count on it.
 
2012-10-23 03:49:59 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


No, what you've noticed is Democrats pointing out that, no matter how unhappy they may be with Obama, Romney is much much worse.
 
2012-10-23 03:51:54 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


Well, my observation is that it's a relative lack of criticism. The problem is that there is so much critical noise coming from the GOP, that any legitimate criticism from the Democrat side seems miniscule. The problem with the Tea Party folks, is that they willingly entrenched themselves in the middle of a stream of incredible disinformation. Until they are willing to step out of that stream and take a fair and balanced, instead of "Fair and Balanced", view of things, they are stuck in their current mode of anger and uselessness.
 
2012-10-23 03:58:07 PM
my 0h-brother-in-law is one of 'em

/that's all i need to know
 
2012-10-23 04:01:19 PM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


What a completely disingenuous statement.

No, I'm not going to address it. Not until you rephrase it into something worth responding to. Yeah, I went there.
 
2012-10-23 04:02:42 PM

Ishkur: mrshowrules: All you need to know is that at a time of historically low taxes and historically high debt, a group would arise that was Taxed Enough Already.

But they are taxed enough already. Reagan raised taxes on them 12 times to offset the 40% tax cuts he gave to the rich.

There is a simple solution to this, of course.


A Second Amendment solution? Or a final solution?
 
2012-10-23 04:03:55 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


What's there to actually criticize? We understand why this country is in the sh*tter, and what you're not facing is that this administration has kept this country together in the past 4 years.

I really don't think you even want to understand it. Because it means "progress" and you have a track record of hating that.
 
2012-10-23 04:06:28 PM
i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 04:08:00 PM

ghare: jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.

No, what you've noticed is Democrats pointing out that, no matter how unhappy they may be with Obama, Romney is much much worse.


Amen to that! I'm sick of the republicans for putting me in the position to have to perpetually defend Obama on BS issues that make me sound like the libbiest lib that ever libbed a lib. I have what I feel are legitimate grievances with Obama on warrantless wiretapping, the war in afghanistan, the war on drugs, etc. I swear on high I am a conservative person. I'm a straight white male with a wife and kids and a job I've had for 12 years, short hair, no tattoos, a house, and a gun. I pay my taxes, obey most laws, and otherwise mind my on freakin business. But the right wingers today are so far off the script that I sound like a got dang marxist, and I know that's how they look at me. Are you guys serious? I'm not a farking leftist, you're just farking crazy! Your policies don't match your stated principles!! How can you not see this?!!?
 
2012-10-23 04:08:41 PM

jigger: The person, not the EU, the IPCC, etc.


Oh horrors the IPCC.

And what the hell many of the Peace Prize recipients do to reduce the size of armies?

We're out of Iraq and Afghanistan we're out by 2014. I think that involves "reducing the size of armies" in a very high-profile example.

Thanks for the threadjack, though.
 
2012-10-23 04:15:44 PM

Sczi: I have what I feel are legitimate grievances with Obama on warrantless wiretapping, the war in afghanistan, the war on drugs, etc.


We all find ourselves criticizing that. But the reality is that this country has slid to the right substantially in the past 15 years, and this is what we've got.

Didn't you watch the debates last night? Obama is going to fund education and tax the 1%. The sinister nefarious NSA shiat is out of his hands, really. The focus should be on slowly pulling out of the crap the Bush administration set up for us.

And it's going to take a lot more public participation and support to end things like PATRIOT, Guantanamo or warrantless wiretapping.

Bonus: Count on all three being aggressively used or upheld if the Republican Party takes even more power next November.
 
2012-10-23 04:21:52 PM
Ugh, don't remind me. I don't even see much news that even approaches my grievances, I'm just hoping to avoid another 4/8 year landslide of derp, and if that means hitching up to Obama's wagon, then it's just going to have to be the lesser evil. Statistically speaking, you do get less evil that way.
 
2012-10-23 04:22:27 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: JolobinSmokin: WE GET IT THEIR NOT BLACK

I'm only responding long enough to out you as an alt:

Account created: 2012-08-11 15:47:02

And to point out that you used "their" where you should have used "they're".


I misspelled their on porpoise.

Also not an alt, I'm just old and thought I couldn't post on fark Unles I paid. 

/get off my lawn
 
2012-10-23 04:23:53 PM

jigger: crazydave023: Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread.

Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.



By Democrats, whom are you specifically referring to? You must have certain individuals in mind who have muted their criticism in recent months. Can you point hem out?
 
2012-10-23 04:34:15 PM

jigger:
Because of the election? I've noticed the lack of criticism of Obama by Democrats and steadily increasing team mentality as the election gets closer.


I'm guessing you notice a lot of things that don't surprise you.
 
2012-10-23 04:42:32 PM

crazydave023: Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing.

Sczi: Your policies don't match your stated principles!! How can you not see this?!!?


Both of you might find Altemeyer's work to explain a lot of that.
 
2012-10-23 04:47:16 PM

Diogenes: I'm more interested in the results from the Thirty Helens study.

[killerbunnies.com image 480x344] 

"Thirty Helens agree...Teabaggers are dumber than a sack of rocks."


I friggin love KITH. And Kevin MacDonald comes to Philly to teach a master class in 'improv to sketchwriting' from time to time.

By the way, those are Canadian Helens, so your local results may vary.
 
2012-10-23 04:57:02 PM

whidbey: Oh horrors the IPCC.


is not a person

has not reduced or eliminated standing armies

has not held peace congresses
 
2012-10-23 04:59:33 PM

jigger: whidbey: Oh horrors the IPCC.

is not a person

has not reduced or eliminated standing armies

has not held peace congresses


No, they've offended your graces. Hence the silliness.
 
2012-10-23 05:07:50 PM

whidbey: jigger: whidbey: Oh horrors the IPCC.

is not a person

has not reduced or eliminated standing armies

has not held peace congresses

No, they've offended your graces. Hence the silliness.


Well, Alfred Nobel is dead so he can't complain about who his prizes go to, but do you think he would complain about giant multinational organizations like the EU and the IPCC being awarded prizes he reserved for a single person? Not to mention the fact that the organizations did not fulfill the listed award requirements.
 
2012-10-23 05:16:45 PM

KarmicDisaster: It is a 50/50 mix of hate and stupidity.


40/40 + 20% lead paint. In some regions the first two ingredients are further diluted with gas huffing.
 
2012-10-23 05:27:05 PM
Millennium 2012-10-23 02:53:03 PM

StandardMade up, stereotypical "liberal interpretation" of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.

Your trite worn out old argument which I have heard at least a hundred times already did not help matters.

So tiny little kitty helped fix it for you.

Honestly.

STOP with the damn robot-regurgitated CRAP.
 
2012-10-23 05:29:20 PM

jigger: Well, Alfred Nobel is dead so he can't complain about who his prizes go to, but do you think he would complain about giant multinational organizations like the EU and the IPCC being awarded prizes he reserved for a single person? Not to mention the fact that the organizations did not fulfill the listed award requirements.


Again, more like the EU, the IPCC and Obama all represent a more than uncomfortable shift in the stagnant right-leaning politik that's unfortunately still in control of the West, hence the flag on the play.
 
2012-10-23 06:07:30 PM

whidbey: jigger: Well, Alfred Nobel is dead so he can't complain about who his prizes go to, but do you think he would complain about giant multinational organizations like the EU and the IPCC being awarded prizes he reserved for a single person? Not to mention the fact that the organizations did not fulfill the listed award requirements.

Again, more like the EU, the IPCC and Obama all represent a more than uncomfortable shift in the stagnant right-leaning politik that's unfortunately still in control of the West, hence the flag on the play.


Did I even mention Obama? Well, I did mention mass murders, so maybe you included him there. 

But, again, I ask you don't you think the Peace Prize has been routinely awarded to people, even individuals, who don't fit the description? Hell, even in 2010, there was Liu Xiaobo. The Nobel website says the award was for "for his long and non-violent struggle for fundamental human rights in China." That's great stuff, but it doesn't have anything to do with the requirements for the Peace Prize. Besides Liu Xiaobo was a big supporter of the Iraq War as well as the Cold War Proxy Wars like Korea and Vietnam. He wrote that they were the "best examples of how war should be conducted in a modern civilization." Peace Prize. Seems legit.
 
2012-10-23 06:09:17 PM
While I have to say that I'm pretty sure Oh Bama's? a Bilderberg plant, where were these guys during 9/11, the Bush wars-of-choice, rampant fraud in the mortgage biz, which gave us the meltdown. Katrina? What? It took a black face in the White House to singe their afterburners?
 
2012-10-23 06:12:05 PM

Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.


While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

If he was white, he'd just be a dirty Socialist Marxist scum. But, he's always the secret Muslim Socialist Marxist
scum, or other 'code words' that people know are polite shorthand for "Attractive And Successful African American."
 
2012-10-23 06:31:13 PM

DjangoStonereaver: While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.


Of course. He broke the uncontested, 200+ year rule of old, rich, white anglo-saxon protestant men (and one irish catholic).

I mean, just look at that pattern:

addisonrd.com

To them, that's the motherfarking end times.
 
2012-10-23 06:33:54 PM
FTA - "As an anthropologist, I conducted fieldwork for two years in the Tea Party movement, among two grassroots groups in California and among professional conservative operatives in Washington, D.C."

Fieldwork in California and Washington D.C. for the TEA Party? You're a pretty shiat anthropologist, eh?

Ever think of visiting... oh, I don't know... Kansas, maybe? Oklahoma? Texas? Indiana?

It's considered a "heartland" movement of the "Real AmericansTM" in "flyover country," and you did your "fieldwork" on the coasts?

Well, go ahead and keep telling everyone else how wrong they are, you clearly did your due diligence.
 
2012-10-23 06:37:50 PM
" edited by the Berkeley sociologist Lawrence Rosenthal and the Berkeley political scientist Christine Trost, opens with an argument by Charles Postel, an historian at San Francisco State."

Yeah. Isn't this kind of like a council of bishops trying to understand anarchic atheism?
 
2012-10-23 06:42:08 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.

While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

If he was white, he'd just be a dirty Socialist Marxist scum. But, he's always the secret Muslim Socialist Marxist
scum, or other 'code words' that people know are polite shorthand for "Attractive And Successful African American."


I'm still a bit stunned by a FWD:fwd message I received today from an attractive and successful Ango-American. Who knows me, my politics and my tolerance limits well. Must have gotten a fat thumb with the forwarding. It was basically a crude KKK sort of racial hatred statement that I won't dignify with further description. Don't underestimate that sort of crazed fury going on.
 
2012-10-23 06:42:13 PM

technicolor-misfit: Fieldwork in California and Washington D.C. for the TEA Party? You're a pretty shiat anthropologist, eh?


I LOL'd.
 
2012-10-23 06:43:08 PM
Tea Party? Easily frightened old white people who enjoy hating things. They claim to love America, but the more you talk to them, the more you realize they hate pretty much everyone in the country.
 
2012-10-23 06:43:51 PM
The tea party was a movement before Fox News started sending their reporter to different regions of the country to report on this movement.

Back then I understand it was more a Liberterian movement, some freaks dressing up in 200 year old garb, others wanting lower taxes, less government, more civil liberties.

Then we have Fox news sponsoring it and then the movement changed to a different animal, protesting a president that they didn't elect.

Any report that fails to acknowledge the difference between the pre-2009 movement and the post 2009 I can't respect.
 
2012-10-23 06:44:56 PM

SoupJohnB: DjangoStonereaver: Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.

While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

If he was white, he'd just be a dirty Socialist Marxist scum. But, he's always the secret Muslim Socialist Marxist
scum, or other 'code words' that people know are polite shorthand for "Attractive And Successful African American."

I'm still a bit stunned by a FWD:fwd message I received today from an attractive and successful Ango-American. Who knows me, my politics and my tolerance limits well. Must have gotten a fat thumb with the forwarding. It was ...


"Anglo," I know.
 
2012-10-23 06:51:47 PM

Ishkur: DjangoStonereaver: While I think you are 100% correct in your assessment, I can't help but think that the President's race catalyzes their
virulent hatred.

Of course. He broke the uncontested, 200+ year rule of old, rich, white anglo-saxon protestant men (and one irish catholic).

I mean, just look at that pattern:

addisonrd.com

To them, that's the motherfarking end times.




*COMBO BREAKER*
 
2012-10-23 06:54:43 PM
They're also all a bunch of self-deluded heroes. Seriously every Tea Partier I know considers themselves a true freedom-loving American patriot fighting against a nation of evil 2 dimensional Ayn Rand villains. All my Tea Party friends seem to believe they're the only ones in this country who want to be rich and successful. I've never met a group of people more impressed with themselves.

Contrast this with my OWS friends who are largely cynical mopes.
 
2012-10-23 06:57:40 PM

Ishkur: HairBolus: The baggers are definitely Nativists which is mostly a sub-type of populism.

This.

The Tea Party is not technically racist.... it is anti-new Americans. They don't like multiculturalism, immigrants, foreigners, or anyone new. From their perspective, this might be anyone that arrived post-WWII.

They want to "take the country back" to a time when those people weren't here. They want isolationism, exceptionalism, and ONLY the people and values that have been here for centuries: white anglo-saxon protestants.

It's not that Barack Obama is black, it's that he doesn't have a legacy heritage going back to Jamestown or the Oklahoma land grab or whenever. He represents the new generation of multi-ethnic immigrants who do not have a lineage stretching back to the Founding Fathers obtaining positions in power and politics within a single generation, and it's that specific trait that the Tea Party finds most appalling. They find him undeserving, like someone who cut in line at the DMV or showed up late to a project and took all the credit. They were here first, they built this country, they lived it, they own it, and the fact that some carpetbagger just waltzed in and seized the highest position in the land is unsettling to them.

Yeah. Not racism. Not even culturism. It's nativism, straight up, or as I like to call it: WhoTheHellDoesHeThinkHeIsism.


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Like really?
 
2012-10-23 06:59:47 PM
Tea Party: A bunch of dim bulb political puppets who can't spell "potato" despite eating it during every meal at McDonald's.
 
2012-10-23 06:59:59 PM
I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it applies here, too.
I read an article a week or two ago about the political divide in this country; some folks will always vote D no matter what, some folks will always vote R no matter what. Which, according to the article, leaves about 10% truly independent, and those folks tend to be the least informed.
They had a handful of interviews with people on both sides of the divide, asking why they affiliate with certain parties.
One guy on the R side stood out to me. He was the stereotypical angry old white man in a pin-bedecked VFW cap. Very conservative, hates liberals and everything they stand for, always votes R, liberals are ruining the country. Turns out, he's a retired union worker, union member for 40 years. But he hates unions. Sure, it was OK when he was getting higher wages, health insurance, retirement benefits from his union, but now they're a symbol of everything wrong with this country. And he hates how all our jobs are being off-shored, sent overseas; thinks we need to keep jobs here at home instead of shipping them off to China. Which is why he's voting for Romney.

Go figure.
 
2012-10-23 07:23:54 PM
How much work does it take to say "Republicans put on funny hats."?
 
2012-10-23 07:23:59 PM

I Browse: That article had a lot of words. I think I can sum it up better this way:

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Very nice, Right to the point, in pictures!
 
2012-10-23 07:47:04 PM

links136: Like really?


yes
 
2012-10-23 08:18:43 PM
I'm one of those voters who's not so much supporting Obama and the Dems than I am doing what I can to try and stop the GOP from dragging us back into the 19th century.

As for the Teabaggers, I think we all know that God help us, should Mittens win, the entire "movement" would vanish without a trace.
 
2012-10-23 08:29:12 PM
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2012-10-23 08:41:34 PM

crazydave023: I joined Tea Party Nation about a year ago to see what all the fuss was about. I find political sociology interesting and often like to find out why people believe what they do and to try and question that. I would rarely post in their forums and only if it was something that interested me and I had knowledge of the particular subject. I was very careful about not to troll too hard (tenpoundsofcheese style). At first I would get responses ranging from asking why I believed what I did to pure hatred and name calling. Sometimes people would engage in rational well thought out discussion. Over the course of the past year, it has really devolved into one giant hate Obama thread. I found that to be most distressing, but what was even more bothersome was that any one who even had an opposing viewpoint i.e. Obama isn't a secret Muslim Socialist trying to destroy America was ridiculed and labeled a liberal Communist. Also, I thought to myself "What type of fear do these people live in"? These are the same people who claim to be rough and tough and rugged individualists. The levels of paranoia and cognitive dissonance are amazing. It was like they couldn't comprehend someone else being right on a specific issue. The man who runs the show over there, Judson Phillips writes these lengthy articles about how Obama is destroying America. I would read the articles and just facepalm. He would use language like "Real Americans". This really bothered me so I replied, "Aren't we all Real Americans"?. I never got a response. The language he uses was very divisive. I also tended to notice that the many of these people were in their 50's and 60's and were white and seemed to live in rural areas. They seemed in my view, to act very irrational and has gotten worse as the year has progressed. I hope for a better future and i guess I came to say that I hope my generation will do better. I am 27 and work in real estate. I think that it bothers them that they are edging towards retirement and ...


Pay attention, and apply everything you just said to this thread:

I'm voting for Romney.

/watch, Daniel-san
 
2012-10-23 09:02:06 PM

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You forgot "xenophobia" and scapegoating middle-eastern religions.
 
2012-10-23 09:43:45 PM

hubiestubert: The thing is, these folks have a right to be mad. They watched gas prices skyrocket, they watched their incomes plummet, their savings deteriorate, their retirements plundered, and, sadly, they are essentially listening to the folks responsible for just those things pointing them away from themselves.

I feel for these folks, because they are correct in looking for someone to blame. Sadly, they are looking in the opposite direction, and the NeoCons have figured that it's best to keep them close, because if they look around, they'll realize what has gone wrong, and who is actually responsible.

The tax issue is a dodge. It is about getting folks on board to vote against their own interests, and to limit competition in the market. That isn't good for the nation. It isn't good for business either. We are watching the markets contract the number of players, and throw cash overseas as opposed to keeping it here, or using it here. We need local investment. We need more competition in the markets. We need more small business owners. We need to encourage folks to start up businesses that will use local distribution nets, that will serve local markets, because they will conserve cash into those communities, as opposed to shipping out to banks far and away from where the cash was spent. It has never been a trickle down, but always been trickle up. The policies we see advocated are about serving the largest players, and eliminating local players that might keep the cash circulating a bit longer before heading upstream. It WILL do that, but at a slower rate with more competition in the markets, and that is really what the largest players fear. That they won't get their cut as quickly, so that they can ship it out.


Pretty much this.

You can find the roots of the Teahadists not in the 1990's, but in the original conservative movement, back when Buckley first put it together. Back then, defeating the Communists was the ONLY thing that mattered to them, it was the heart and soul of conservatism. When the USSR collapsed in 1991, however, the conservatives didn't really "win"--because they didn't defeat Communism, it just died. So throughout the 90's, conservatives looked for a new enemy to fight--even while various liberal causes and civil rights movements gained ascendancy. The Tea Parties coalesced to fight these new enemies just as 9/11 happened, and what should have been a moment for us all to become Americans instead became a moment for us all to hate Islam--a subtle difference, but very important.

It went hand-in-hand with the new power brokers who wanted to buy low and sell high and needed something to distract the hoipolloi; you can see the same thing happening in the 2000's when industry and PMCs made zillions fighting "radical Islam" as happened in the early 1960's, when military and aerospace contractors made billions fighting the commies and sold the public on the threat. Spice it up with some religion, patriotism and ultranationalism, and really, things aren't much different today than they were in 1953.
 
2012-10-23 11:31:54 PM

Diogenes: I'm more interested in the results from the Thirty Helens study.

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"Thirty Helens agree...Teabaggers are dumber than a sack of rocks."


If a helen is the amount of feminine beauty needed to launch a thousand ships, well...sorry, I don't see that here.

/Right about the teabaggers
 
2012-10-23 11:33:44 PM

Metaluna Mutant: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 850x637]


Nazischweine: hates them feelthy Joos
Teabaggers: hates them feelthy Mooselimbs; lurv themselves some Joos, as long as they're in Israel

Other than that, yeah, they're a lot alike.
 
2012-10-24 12:08:23 AM

Lsherm: Pay attention, and apply everything you just said to this thread:

I'm voting for Romney.

/watch, Daniel-san


What? We're supposed to call you a racist now or something? What do you think is gonna happen here?
 
2012-10-24 12:27:28 AM

Citrate1007: I can do it in 6 words: Uneducated Schizophrenic Narcissistic Fascist Racist Hypocrites


Mom?
 
2012-10-24 01:11:05 AM

propasaurus: hat? We're supposed to call you a racist now or something? What do you think is gonna happen here?


Nothing. It already happened. Read the thread.

It's amazing to see active prejudicial behavior after it's in effect, because the perpetrators don't understand they are the ones doing it. They think they are justified, which is pretty much a prerequisite for it.
 
2012-10-24 02:15:56 AM

Ishkur: links136: Like really?

yes


I mostly mean my point of white people being the only ones in america for centuries
 
2012-10-24 02:45:00 AM

links136: I mostly mean my point of white people being the only ones in america for centuries


I'm not making that assertion. They are.

/because the indians don't count
//none of them were any founding fathers
 
2012-10-24 04:10:48 AM

Lsherm: propasaurus: hat? We're supposed to call you a racist now or something? What do you think is gonna happen here?

Nothing. It already happened. Read the thread.

It's amazing to see active prejudicial behavior after it's in effect, because the perpetrators don't understand they are the ones doing it. They think they are justified, which is pretty much a prerequisite for it.


Some of us do know we're doing it. I am fully aware of my prejudice against moronic stupidity.

When you said, "I'm voting for Romney" and then invited readers of your post to watch what happens, it seems you may have been trying to bait the "magic underwear" type of fringe leftist, but I think you might be missing the point. The left has its extremists, but they're rarely given the mic and they're not the Democratic Party's base.

The Tea Party represents a significant portion of the Republican Party's base, and the derision they receive is based on what they've actually done and said, often repeatedly.
 
2012-10-24 09:59:23 AM

TheMysticS: Goddammit so much.
I can't even count anymore.


I dunno. Five words seemed to convey a lot.

ultraholland: They're a farking walking contradiction.

They're pants-wetting pansies.

There.


They're a walking disaster, they're a Demolition, Man.
 
2012-10-24 10:03:15 AM

Millennium: Standard liberal interpretation of the Tea Party, more or less: sheep that have been brainwashed by a core of eeeeevil people. A few fresh twists on the subject, but ultimately suffering from the standard confirmation bias that cannot allow itself to admit that the opposition thinks.


Oh, we can allow it, alright.

It just is plainly apparent that that is not the case in the current instance.
 
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