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(Washington Times)   Russia TV, Al Jazeera the only networks to cover the third party presidential debate tonight. Potential audience: 760 million. Gary Johnson still pinching himself   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 40
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2012-10-23 10:26:44 PM  
2 votes:
A little condescending, there, Larry. They're not just being good sports--they really believe they should be president.
2012-10-23 09:52:09 PM  
2 votes:

sprawl15: What the fark is their issue with drones? I really don't understand this, is it somehow better if we drop a bomb from an actual plane or shoot a missile from a nearby cruiser? It sounds like their real problem is killing people, but focusing it on drones is just bizarre.


because drones are a cowards weapon, it totally dis-associates the killing of person as just an image on a screen. Cause any SAP on a couch can operate a drone, any punk motherfarker can bust slugs, but it takes a real thug to stab some starring straight into their eyes (get the point?). plus drones can be used for spying on American citizens and invasion of privacy via "public air" above your home, in parks, etc..
2012-10-23 09:11:27 PM  
2 votes:

tomWright: Johnny Swank: You know, these 3rd, 4th, 5th parties all have their heads up their asses, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. They need to concentrate on small, local elections and work their way up the food chain and gain credibility instead of this silly nonsense of just putting some schmo up for president every four years. Yes, it'll take 20-30 years, but they may would actually have a chance in hell of doing something effective.

Some of us consider them the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th parties.

SO far as working the way up, have you ever tried that?

I have, The laws and rules are deliberately stacked against them by the R and D parties in order to prevent that.

There was, once, a thriving multi-party environment in this country. after the nations political environment stabilized small parties arose. For about a century starting in the 1820's, until the laws were changed to encourage first-past-the-post elections and eliminate at-large congressional elections, replaced by single district offices.

The entire system is rigged to make it defacto illegal for an alternative party to gain traction, without expressly writing it in the law.


Agreed wholeheartedly.

Especially hate my state's BS practice where Judges and University reps are listed as non partisan... but are all nominated by the RNC or DNC. Real f--king non-partisan.
2012-10-23 08:52:43 PM  
2 votes:
It's a damn pity that the republicans decided that Mitt was a better candidate than Johnson. Telling, really.
2012-10-23 08:41:46 PM  
2 votes:

tomWright: Johnny Swank: You know, these 3rd, 4th, 5th parties all have their heads up their asses, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. They need to concentrate on small, local elections and work their way up the food chain and gain credibility instead of this silly nonsense of just putting some schmo up for president every four years. Yes, it'll take 20-30 years, but they may would actually have a chance in hell of doing something effective.

Some of us consider them the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th parties.

SO far as working the way up, have you ever tried that?

I have, The laws and rules are deliberately stacked against them by the R and D parties in order to prevent that.

There was, once, a thriving multi-party environment in this country. after the nations political environment stabilized small parties arose. For about a century starting in the 1820's, until the laws were changed to encourage first-past-the-post elections and eliminate at-large congressional elections, replaced by single district offices.

The entire system is rigged to make it defacto illegal for an alternative party to gain traction, without expressly writing it in the law.


Aaaaaand THIS.

Many state ballot-access laws are some of the most notorious forms of legalized corruption. So why the fark would you bother running for the ultimate backbench spot in a legislature designed to shiat all over you even in the unlikely event you were to win? If the rules are set up to stifle you, fark it - swing for the fences.

Besides, Johnson's been governor of New Mexico and demonstrated there that he had his shiat together. We elected a governor from Arkansas and he seems to have done okay by more Americans than either of his successors.
2012-10-23 08:08:28 PM  
2 votes:
You know, these 3rd, 4th, 5th parties all have their heads up their asses, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. They need to concentrate on small, local elections and work their way up the food chain and gain credibility instead of this silly nonsense of just putting some schmo up for president every four years. Yes, it'll take 20-30 years, but they may would actually have a chance in hell of doing something effective.
2012-10-23 11:27:30 PM  
1 votes:

Girion47: a sodomy law has no footing on a libertarian platform.


No LOGICAL footing, but I have met LP members who support such things loudly and proudly who still get invitations and still speak "for the party" and don't get particularly shouted at or silenced by their fellows. It is because the party can't afford to ostracize anyone willing to claim membership and lack the coherency to do so. And these members manage to twist logic until they come up with an "interpretation" of the Libertarian philosophy that promotes oppressing the gays. Usually with lots of whining about "shoving their gayness down our throats" because what would a good homophobe be without his unintentional and oblivious innuendo.

It i a small issue, a result of the party being too small to turn anyone away as much as anything, but another obstacle to larger recognition/acceptance.
2012-10-23 10:26:08 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: It's already almost over and I'm only one beer in.


So you are saying you have to be drunk to listen to Romney or Obama, but not these guys.

That says something. not sure what though
2012-10-23 10:20:53 PM  
1 votes:
Johnson sounds like the sanest candidate the LP has ever nominates since....the 1980's????
2012-10-23 10:13:38 PM  
1 votes:
This has been a far more enjoyable experience than I expected. And while I would never vote for Virgil Goode for anything, I love listening to him. Jill is a bit unprepared, but Rocky's got her back. Gary looks a bit feral, but at least he knows where he stands and what he wants to do.
2012-10-23 10:11:49 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: What the fark is their issue with drones? I really don't understand this, is it somehow better if we drop a bomb from an actual plane or shoot a missile from a nearby cruiser? It sounds like their real problem is killing people, but focusing it on drones is just bizarre.


It's the strangest damned pandering I've ever done seen. Did they all go hang out at Reddit for a week before this thing?
2012-10-23 09:52:58 PM  
1 votes:
It's hard to do "rebuttals" when 3 of the 4 candidates are basically of one mind.
2012-10-23 09:52:42 PM  
1 votes:

ole prophet: Johnson


He'd never win, not in NM at least. We here may get pissed at the (Democrat) state legislature and elect a Republican governor every once in a while. However, the only thing we really want out of our senators is for them to bring the federal dollars back by the boatload.
2012-10-23 09:52:06 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, he mentioned Kellogg-Briand as an example of how to prevent wars...the treaty that was so vaguely defined that it pushed governments to war without actually declaring war, and was pretty much the reason the War Powers Resolution had to be passed.
2012-10-23 09:45:38 PM  
1 votes:
Gary Johnson actually explaining how he will do it

Kudos
2012-10-23 09:43:43 PM  
1 votes:
This is amateurish and disorganized. And Romney and Obama should both have to be part of it.
2012-10-23 09:43:17 PM  
1 votes:
At least Virgil gets right to the farking point. Two points for Foghorn.
2012-10-23 09:42:16 PM  
1 votes:
I have a story

Larry: You got one minute
2012-10-23 09:38:38 PM  
1 votes:
Gary Johnson is pretty good on the drug stuff.
2012-10-23 09:34:15 PM  
1 votes:

WorldCitizen: BeesNuts: Cletus just brought a new idea to the table. Green Card Moratorium until UE is under 5%. Interesting. We can talk about that.

Just hope if you're an American you never fall in love with someone who is not an American. And if you're an employer/researcher, you don't want the best person for the job person who falsified his resume but works a lot cheaper but rather hire by nationality.


FTFY, no charge.
2012-10-23 09:30:14 PM  
1 votes:
Cletus just brought a new idea to the table. Green Card Moratorium until UE is under 5%. Interesting. We can talk about that.
2012-10-23 09:21:17 PM  
1 votes:
Where's RON PAUL? Oh, right, he's a GOP shill who's too much of a pussy to risk his congressional seat. His legions of stoners and know-nothings, whom he is a god too, must be disappointed. At least Gary Johnson, or should I say GARY JOHNSON, has the balls to run as an actual Libertarian. I may not agree with him but I can respect him..

So, how many Russians will be voting this year?
2012-10-23 09:20:46 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: Gary Johnson was farking furious about how he was elected governor. That was kind odd.


I think he was pissed that he was told he would never make it
2012-10-23 09:19:44 PM  
1 votes:
This isn't a debate. It's a symposium against CPD. Which it should have been in symbol only. Ugh.
2012-10-23 09:19:29 PM  
1 votes:
Gary Johnson was farking furious about how he was elected governor. That was kind odd.
2012-10-23 09:12:27 PM  
1 votes:
This is interesting insofar as it's an open letter to American Democracy. Otherwise I'm already losing interest.

The debate on Parks and Rec Season 4 Episode 21 was better.
2012-10-23 09:11:31 PM  
1 votes:
Public financing though. Good stuff.

Amendment to clarify money isn't speech and corporations aren't people? Weird.
2012-10-23 09:10:56 PM  
1 votes:
What a strangely echo-chamber-y question...
2012-10-23 09:08:06 PM  
1 votes:

whistleridge: Potential audience: 760 million.
Number of those who actually have a vote in the matter: 35 (assuming there weren't any hot Fark Independent™ threads going just then).


I'll watch it later w housemates and coworkers. We're all going Obama but not necessarily Dem for lower races.

And I watch Al Jazeera on a regular clip. They have some f--king GREAT short documentary/reporting segments, and the live stream has been my go to when shiat goes down in the ME for years.

/Actual Fark Independent Registerrd Voter ( != Fark Independent (TM))
2012-10-23 09:06:50 PM  
1 votes:
Already better than the last 4 debates.
2012-10-23 09:03:20 PM  
1 votes:
Ok, so not just me.

Are we getting trolled hard? I'm enjoying it. That must mean it isn't working.

Biatch can't stop laughing about the seriousness of her message.
2012-10-23 09:02:33 PM  
1 votes:
So I think my stream died when Larry King looked directly into the cameras. They must not have put on the emerald lens protectors to shield the electronics from his Stygian gaze.
2012-10-23 08:58:29 PM  
1 votes:
For this debate I am drinking straight sriracha sauce.
2012-10-23 08:54:21 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [www.washingtonpost.com image 350x543]

Romney takes Pakistan!


Obama conducted covert ops inside their borders, acted without their consent, drone bomb the shiat out of them, killed dozens - possibly hundreds - of citizens, and Romney is only beating him by 3%.
2012-10-23 08:27:09 PM  
1 votes:
On the one hand, it's great to see all these different candidates and see these ideas be represented.

On the other hand, most of these people are insane and none of them understand how politics work.
2012-10-23 08:24:15 PM  
1 votes:

Johnny Swank: You know, these 3rd, 4th, 5th parties all have their heads up their asses, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. They need to concentrate on small, local elections and work their way up the food chain and gain credibility instead of this silly nonsense of just putting some schmo up for president every four years. Yes, it'll take 20-30 years, but they may would actually have a chance in hell of doing something effective.


But that would require time, hard work and, if elected, having to deal with reality by compromising with other people.

Much easier sit on the sidelines and whine that both sides are equally bad and therefore exactly the same while basking in their smug purity.

Kazrath: The media should be forced to air their debates just like they are for the Republican / Democrat showdown.


[citation needed]
2012-10-23 07:05:41 PM  
1 votes:
Gee whiz.  When I was a kid I remember my older sister campaigning on behalf of John Anderson.
 
He ended up getting over five percent of the popular vote.
2012-10-23 04:04:35 PM  
1 votes:

BravadoGT: Bontesla: Rev. Skarekroe: I voted yesterday and was disappointed to see that the Green Party was not on the Georgia ballot. I wasn't going to vote for them, but I was still disappointed.

Voted today in Georgia. Lines were about an hour long at around 1:30pm.

I used the write in optionwasted my vote. A lot.

FTFY


Not necessarily. Have you seen the number of unopposed candidates this year? I voted for my girlfriend for sheriff!
2012-10-23 03:46:28 PM  
1 votes:
Number of somehow-still-undecided who have enough brainpower to work their remote controls: 3,000.
2012-10-23 03:29:06 PM  
1 votes:
I think getting together and doing this as a live thread is only fair. I promise to be in a thread making snide comments, even if the admins only run it as TF. Who's with me?
 
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